bm class made weaker?

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  • Almon - Lost City
    Almon - Lost City Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    It's not only that you have to use sparks, it's the amount of time it takes for the skill to cast. Cyclone Heel and Drake's Breath Bash both have cast times that are too long to really bother with if you're PKing. Glitching actually showed a BMs ability in PK, whether you want to believe it or not.
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  • SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Still not a single GM post on this or is it just me? XD Frankie's in hiding again
  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Well I have a few skill I think are not worth using chi/sparks and hate the CD's. But if the buff is big enough to throw a fit over, it's worth what it costs to use. Yes I know what everyone is saying. Too use to getting it all easy. Can't **** chi out your butt? LOL No but BM did get a chi boost during one update to 5chi per hit. 5 aps is 25 chi a second.
  • SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well I have a few skill I think are worth using chi/sparks. But if the buff is big enough to throw a fit over, it's worth what it costs to use. Yes I know what everyone is saying. Too use to getting it all easy. Can't **** chi out your butt? LOL No but BM did get a chi boost during one update to 5chi per hit. 5 aps is 25 chi a second.

    & ppl would just stand there & let you aps them till you get full chi why exactly...?
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    5 aps is 25 chi a second.

    Because we are always under demon spark so we are constantly 5 APS. And of course our target just sits there so we can keep getting chi.
  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    & ppl would just stand there & let you aps them till you get full chi why exactly...?

    Stun lock IJS

    Also don't be pissed cause you now have to learn to conserve sparks like every other class barring sin.
  • Random - Harshlands
    Random - Harshlands Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    do u know how easy it is to break a stun lock ijs
    o.o
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Stun lock IJS

    Also don't be pissed cause you now have to learn to conserve sparks like every other class barring sin.

    News flash, stun lock takes chi. Why are you posting about this if you don't even know the basics about BM? You are 5 APS only when you spark. Oh wait sparking takes 300 chi.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Stun lock IJS

    Also don't be pissed cause you now have to learn to conserve sparks like every other class barring sin.

    Stun lock? you mean the thing every COMPETENT person in PK knows how to break out of? You blow your genie/apoth/chi on a BM to attempt to perform a stunn/APS to death during spark combo and every decent player in PK will just laugh and break out of it to run away. Then the BM will be outta sparks and outta luck.

    Learn to play a class before trying to talk about what they can and can't do, IJS.
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Everyone seems to be talking as if fists are the only weapons in the game. There are a few weapons for bms to use after all. Perhaps being able to change weapons and use the skills of the new weapon in mid-combat to high effectiveness is the key.
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  • SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Stun lock IJS

    Also don't be pissed cause you now have to learn to conserve sparks like every other class barring sin.

    I don't have to learn anything, since I'm a sin, neither does this update hurt me. However, unlike others I don't pretend this is smth good & "yay itz a glitch fixed!".
    Stun lock IJS
    Damn Random ninja-ed me...
    Everyone seems to be talking as if fists are the only weapons in the game. There are a few weapons for bms to use after all. Perhaps being able to change weapons and use the skills of the new weapon in mid-combat to high effectiveness is the key.
    That was the point of Canceling buffs...
  • Ohaider - Dreamweaver
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:chuckle Still loling at the pissed BMs who have to learn to play without abusing a piece of **** programming.

    Roll a bm, then you'll realize that your a troll. because no matter how good you are at playing, you cant change facts, you WILL NOT, be able to kill anyone with endgame gear as a blademaster. I can stun lock for minutes straight (assuming you know, your afk and dont use genie) but auto attacking, even @ 4.0 base, is not enough to kill people anymore with the current state of the game.

    Sure, we'll still hurt those cute little tt90 arcanes n stuff, Nirvana gear? r9 gear? good luck getting past those defenses and being able to kill them before oh idk, they two shot you.
  • Ohaider - Dreamweaver
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Everyone seems to be talking as if fists are the only weapons in the game. There are a few weapons for bms to use after all. Perhaps being able to change weapons and use the skills of the new weapon in mid-combat to high effectiveness is the key.

    OMFG Zoe just got it spot on, pwi is nerfing bm's so the only way we stand a chance is going full r9 and axe skill spamming, ty brb while I facedesk.
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Everyone seems to be talking as if fists are the only weapons in the game. There are a few weapons for bms to use after all. Perhaps being able to change weapons and use the skills of the new weapon in mid-combat to high effectiveness is the key.

    DBB is a buff using fists. stun lock requires axes, so it's not just fists that we use. In the most common situations, swords use GS, and thats key for pvp.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Everyone seems to be talking as if fists are the only weapons in the game. There are a few weapons for bms to use after all. Perhaps being able to change weapons and use the skills of the new weapon in mid-combat to high effectiveness is the key.

    Every competent BM switch weapon mid battle already and have at least 2 if not 4 weapons on hotkeys. Fists gain the most chi out of the weapons and even then you really can't afford to spend 2 sparks on a buff where someone can just kite away. Using axes only are even more chi costly since you don't gain chi back as fast. Even with Nirvana axes with God of Frenzy, my fists will still out damage my axes on most targets.
  • Infernia - Harshlands
    Infernia - Harshlands Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Roll a bm, then you'll realize that your a troll. because no matter how good you are at playing, you cant change facts, you WILL NOT, be able to kill anyone with endgame gear as a blademaster. I can stun lock for minutes straight (assuming you know, your afk and dont use genie) but auto attacking, even @ 4.0 base, is not enough to kill people anymore with the current state of the game.

    Sure, we'll still hurt those cute little tt90 arcanes n stuff, Nirvana gear? r9 gear? good luck getting past those defenses and being able to kill them before oh idk, they two shot you.

    Im not a troll. Channel cancelling is abuse of a bug. You dont get the effects of steroids if you put the needle in but dont actually push the plunger down, you shouldnt get the buff if you dont complete the skill.

    What you want, is a seperate skill that will grant the effect for free. No, no thank you, you can learn to kill without abusing broken mechanics thank you.
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »
    Im not a troll. Channel cancelling is abuse of a bug. You dont get the effects of steroids if you put the needle in but dont actually push the plunger down, you shouldnt get the buff if you dont complete the skill.

    What you want, is a seperate skill that will grant the effect for free. No, no thank you, you can learn to kill without abusing broken mechanics thank you.

    a bug abuse that has been widely known about for 3+ years and just being fixed now? I think this is one of the first fixes they've ever done on skills in well I can't even remember. Kinda bs when it effects your main class a lot. Sounds so fair :D
  • Ohaider - Dreamweaver
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »
    Im not a troll. Channel cancelling is abuse of a bug. You dont get the effects of steroids if you put the needle in but dont actually push the plunger down, you shouldnt get the buff if you dont complete the skill.

    What you want, is a seperate skill that will grant the effect for free. No, no thank you, you can learn to kill without abusing broken mechanics thank you.

    once again, roll a bm you troll, then you will realise that :

    " you can learn to kill without abusing broken mechanics thank you" is not actually yeah know, possible at endgame, because its like your spaming gush on another wizard, or a cleric spaming plume shot on a barb.
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm 100% sure everybody posting uses at least axes/fists and that's "changing weapons" right? and stun lock requires axes, so it's not just fists that we use.

    Yeah this is true, but I'm sure people can come up with effective skill combos using every bm weapon. To me at least, the best BM is one that is able to utilize fists, axes, swords and polearms to great effectiveness in the same fight.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah this is true, but I'm sure people can come up with effective skill combos using every bm weapon. To me at least, the best BM is one that is able to utilize fists, axes and polearms to great effectiveness in the same fight.

    What? No swords?
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    What? No swords?

    My mistake. I haven't played in awhile and forgot about swords. I'll fix that.b:surrender
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah this is true, but I'm sure people can come up with effective skill combos using every bm weapon. To me at least, the best BM is one that is able to utilize fists, axes and polearms to great effectiveness in the same fight.

    That's what most skilled bm's do. DBB was a great way to get down those with high hp and get through their charms. We just lost 80% (or 100% with demon) fire damage taken away from us and even then it took skill to maintain stun lock, cc dbb + cyclone and take out a high hp barb, especially with genie skills. I can't think of anything that would DD faster for bms in pvp and without it i can't think how we can take down high hp barbs now (just using barbs as an example cos their known for their hp) unless we kill their charms by stun locking for a while
  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    BM still better in PvE. Caster better PvP isn't that the original argument. I've seen it on every thread where casters complain of not getting squads..... Can't have your cake and eat it too... unless you're a sin. b:cute
  • Infernia - Harshlands
    Infernia - Harshlands Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    once again, roll a bm you troll, then you will realise that :

    " you can learn to kill without abusing broken mechanics thank you" is not actually yeah know, possible at endgame, because its like your spaming gush on another wizard, or a cleric spaming plume shot on a barb.

    Why would I spam gush when Undine - sleep - Sutra - CE - BT - SS - Gush would kill the wizard? No broken mechanic there.

    Barb? Id probably kite until he was close to tick then undine - Sutra - SS - DPyro - Gush and hope I crit him to death. I would of course have to enhance the plan should the barb prove to be better geared than my offences allow. Cleric I couldnt say, ive forgotten how to play her its been so long. b:cute

    And ive played axe/fist BM (yes, a PServer <3 fell free to go "But you dont know sht cos pserv" idc, I learn enough) and have my own BM here in the works (Hes only 70, but hes pretty good fun). I still never saw need to channel cancel, just the use of a single purify pot at the right moment would let me deal with wizards/ Clerics 7/10.

    The other 3 times were appropriately deaths to a Wizards intelligent combo while I had cooldowns or, lol, a lack of chi to deal with. **** happens, you are not supposed to be able to kill everything all the time.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    BM still better in PvE. Caster better PvP isn't that the original argument. I've seen it on every thread where casters complain of not getting squads..... Can't have your cake and eat it too... unless you're a sin. b:cute

    Except with rep sale there isn't a need for farming anymore.
  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Except with rep sale there isn't a need for farming anymore.

    Oh in that case


    learn2merch b:chuckle
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    That's what most skilled bm's do. DBB was a great way to get down those with high hp and get through their charms. We just lost 80% (or 100% with demon) fire damage taken away from us and even then it took skill to maintain stun lock, cc dbb + cyclone and take out a high hp barb, especially with genie skills. I can't think of anything that would DD faster for bms in pvp and without it i can't think how we can take down high hp barbs now (just using barbs as an example cos their known for their hp) unless we kill their charms by stun locking for a while

    I understand your point but you didn't really lose it, now you just have to use sparks to do it. I'll go back to one of my earlier posts.

    (I only speak from TW experience here, since I do not pk)
    Not everyone needs to be able to kill everyone. Sometimes you must act as a team instead. One person debuffs/stuns and the others attack and kill. I honestly don't think barbs are supposed to be taken down by a single player, they are the tank class after all. (using barbs as an example since you did)

    My example from earlier: Venomancers may not be able to always kill but they can sure make it easy for everyone else to kill a target with things like amp and purge.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oh in that case


    learn2merch b:chuckle

    I know how to merch. You are talking against your own case. With merchant there's even less need for farming. So 5 APS in PvE does... what again?
  • Ohaider - Dreamweaver
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »
    Why would I spam gush when Undine - sleep - Sutra - CE - BT - SS - Gush would kill the wizard? No broken mechanic there.

    Barb? Id probably kite until he was close to tick then undine - Sutra - SS - DPyro - Gush and hope I crit him to death. I would of course have to enhance the plan should the barb prove to be better geared than my offences allow. Cleric I couldnt say, ive forgotten how to play her its been so long. b:cute

    And ive played axe/fist BM (yes, a PServer <3 fell free to go "But you dont know sht cos pserv" idc, I learn enough) and have my own BM here in the works (Hes only 70, but hes pretty good fun). I still never saw need to channel cancel, just the use of a single purify pot at the right moment would let me deal with wizards/ Clerics 7/10.

    The other 3 times were appropriately deaths to a Wizards intelligent combo while I had cooldowns or, lol, a lack of chi to deal with. **** happens, you are not supposed to be able to kill everything all the time.

    No im sorry, your argument is stupid, 70 bm can kill a 70 cleric sure...a 105 bm CAN NOT kill anything 101 w/r9 or even nirvana in some cases now. And you obviously didn't notice but i was not saying you should kill a Wizard with gush, im saying the effectiveness of that is comparable to a blademasters ability to kill other classes with equivalent gear
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    bms role in tw and 1v1 pvp is very different. I'm more referring to 1v1 pvp or even smallish group pvp.
    Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »
    And ive played axe/fist BM (yes, a PServer <3 fell free to go "But you dont know sht cos pserv" idc, I learn enough) and have my own BM here in the works (Hes only 70, but hes pretty good fun). I still never saw need to channel cancel, just the use of a single purify pot at the right moment would let me deal with wizards/ Clerics 7/10.

    I'm sorry but pserver, most don't even have TB anyway. If you didn't find the need to cc dbb it's because you never played bm to it's full potential and you were most likely ignorant to what a skilled bm can actually pull off.

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