bm class made weaker?
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LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »if that's what rank 9 can do, by all means, complain about rank 9. it's very possible that entire level of rank gear is overpowered enough to be unbalancing, and needs to be nerfed. i wouldn't mind at all if it were.
but you aren't complaining about rank 9, now bleedin' are you?
r9 has just been over used in the conversation for examples..
take a fully nirvy gear BM +10 across the board, and a fully nirvana geared ANYCLASS +10 across the bored....or (+12 just examples) or jump back to tt99....tt90...tt80... don't matter what gear bracket, if both are equally geared same results. Funny part is you the BM wont have to be AFK you could litterly sit there and spam every avaiable skill you have in the books, and still could not kill an AKF (insert class here)....as its been listed a thousand times for you low level nublets that cant grasp it..>><<A BM has horrid animations to each skills. plus HIGH cost of chi to pointless skills, for just a benificial buff. Which means anything with a decent amount of p-def/HPs can sit and CHARM TANK a BM....get it? See why peole USED the exploit? See why people NOW have a reason to QQ?0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Boohoo I can't cancel my crit and AR skills I r gunna complain. Some of us avoided obvious glitches in the first place, keep in mind.
You=Troll, telling us to stop QQ is one thing (trolling) and bringing up an argument against this is another thing. Try the latter if you want to get your opinion noticed and listened too.0 -
Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »well the "3 chi" was obvious but "I dont know how BMs work, not like they need chi to use them crit / fire damage buffs or anything." the sarcasm you used in this is in favor to the point i'm making.
.......The sarcasm is buried in the fact that I want your chi gain lowered. And I was saying it wouldnt affect you because you dont need the chi for the fire / Crit buffs :O When you clearly do now (Fix ftw!). You suck at sarcasm
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ICEsmoke - Harshlands wrote: »hmmm now there is nothing at all that defines a true pro player to a avg player on a BM QQ i miss my 100%crit combo with heavensflame allready with my r9axes
and Infernia ive yet to see ya on HL but.. WE GUNNA FIND U!
That person has been at lvl 81 for months, I suspect they sit AFK in safezones trolling the forums, rather than actually playing the game.0 -
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Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »Wrong. I hit 81 during that Quiz event 2 weeks ago
Let me guess... you got the answeres to the questions from.......the forums.0 -
Let me guess... you got the answeres to the questions from.......the forums.
No, I flew through about 90 questions each time, trying to get as many chests as possible. I didnt have time to find a forum thread that was apparently wrong anyway.
Still didnt get a pet, but oh well, was fun.0 -
That person has been at lvl 81 for months, I suspect they sit AFK in safezones trolling the forums, rather than actually playing the game.
I was 93 for a year but still played the game almost all day every day grinding. I just didn't let myself level. Staying one level for awhile doesn't mean someone isn't playing.Main characters
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Infernia - Harshlands wrote: ».......The sarcasm is buried in the fact that I want your chi gain lowered. And I was saying it wouldnt affect you because you dont need the chi for the fire / Crit buffs :O When you clearly do now (Fix ftw!). You suck at sarcasm
i said i get that "3 chi" was sarcastic. But it would still effect us, maybe not for DBB but for our other skills. You suck as logic 0 -
Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »i said i get that "3 chi" was sarcastic. But it would still effect us, maybe not for DBB but for our other skills. You suck as logic
You suck at reading the entire sentence! The latter half is where the real sarcasm is. I ****ing know it would affect you, thats the entire ****ing point0 -
Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »You suck at reading the entire sentence! The latter half is where the real sarcasm is. I ****ing know it would affect you, thats the entire ****ing point
no no, you're misunderstanding me. When you said "I dont know how BMs work, not like they need chi to use them crit / fire damage buffs or anything." It's obvious that was the sarcasm. But when i said "But it would still effect us, maybe not for DBB but for our other skills." I was referring to the 2nd part, I added that it's fail logic because you writing it as if it seems dbb is the only thing that takes up our chi. I never denied use of sarcasm, nor did i even suggest you weren't being sarcastic, and as to why you brought it up, I've no idea, maybe because you suck at logic? That explains why you're posting random **** and trying to troll.0 -
Stop feeding the troll. That infernia creature doesn't know anything about endgame pvp which is the point of this thread so just ignore them.0
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Lol. It might be ****, but my core connect is up to date enough mrPvE, click it and **** off saying I dont know **** please.
And Pyth, you still miss the point, but it no longer matters. BMs can QQ more over the fix of the glitch. All you want is a free buff that you should never have had.
If you want changes to the duration or cast time or even the amount of chi the skills cost, go nuts, I can live with that, but shut up saying they broke the game when they fixed the exploit.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »then explain how they're unsound.
hell no. i want a balanced game to be standard, we just don't have balance and haven't for so long that "badly unbalanced" has become the expectation.
but you guys AREN'T whining about how the game's unbalanced, or how that's become expected, are you? you're whining because, this once around, it got unbalanced in your disfavor.
you're just whining because it's your ox got gored this time, not because the goring is constant and ongoing and shows no sign of ever letting up.
hell no. but so what? why do you expect that your class should be balanced enough to do that, so long as some other class in the game isn't? if the game's not balanced, and the imbalance isn't being addressed appropriately by the devs, then it's only a matter of time before the imbalance comes around to bite your favorite class.
well, now it's come around to bite the BMs. and what are you complaining about?
is it that the game's suffering from longstanding and never resolved balance issues that were just bound to hit every class in the game sooner or later, because they weren't being addressed properly?
no! you're complaining that they happened to hit the class you're playing!
wow, that's really impressive --- a BM on AFK autoattack being unable to kill a veno on AFK autoattack. wait, wait, let me guess --- you're not going to mention how long it'd take that veno on autoattack to kill you, are you?
you're right, i don't know much about PvP --- i can't, because somehow i had thought it involved more than just autoattacking and pulling your hands off the keyboard until you won.
one thing playing veno's taught me, even in very low-level PvE only game; if i want to get something done, i can't just sit there with my finger on the venomous scarab button and expect the game to play itself. but maybe PvP is very different, you tell me.
Your logic is absolute ****. BMs have been screwed for ages, nothing new. We were made for 5.0 and the ability to stun-lock but then we lost the stun-lock ability and our 5.0 is nothing compared to the damage other classes do. As for your "veno on auto-attack against BM" ****... are you a damn idiot? Don't answer that, I know you are. His point was that with +12 G15, he can't even kill a veno with what and idiot, such as yourself, would say is "overpowered". 5.0 isn't nearly as broken as you may think. Learn to play a BM and you'll see there's a LOT more to it than just auto-attack, which is the reason so many of us are pissed about losing these "glitches". Of course, though... you're the typical robed class who will cry and whine about us being 5.0 and it taking no skill to play our class... again, play a BM at endgame in PK, see how you feel after. If you actually knew how to PK, you'd know that anyone with a brain won't stand there and LET you auto-attack them and even if you're stunned, it's easy to break out. It is near impossible to lock anyone nowadays. Don't give Dan any of your **** until you have more knowledge of the topic at hand. The glitches were the only things BMs had left to show who had any skill at their class and who was just average.Sad enough to say, alone we can barely light a match, but together we can burn this place down0 -
Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »If you want changes to the duration or cast time or even the amount of chi the skills cost, go nuts, I can live with that, but shut up saying they broke the game when they fixed the exploit.
That's exactly what we're looking for at the very least if getting cc back is completely out of the picture. It would still suck for cyclone heel but hey... but the chi cost for DBB/GS is just down right ridiculous.0 -
Almon - Lost City wrote: »QQQQQQQ; QQQ --- QQQ
ok, maybe you had half an actual point drowning in that river of petulant whine of yours. let's see:His point was that with +12 G15, he can't even kill a veno
and my points were that (1) using the autoattack-afk tactics he was talking about, the veno can't kill him back either, so what's he whining about; (2) even i wouldn't try to just autoattack-afk in a pvp situation, because that's a stupid tactic --- even i know that much, and i know squat about pvp because i hate it.
edit to add: if what counts as "skill" among blademasters is mainly the knowledge of how to exploit game bugs --- then no, i'm not going to level up my blademaster, because i do not want to become known as that sort of player. most likely you're wrong about that, but i'd not know it from reading your BM fellows on this thread, to be certain.
geez, the more i read of people who talk pvp a lot, the lower my opinion of pvp'ers. seriously, grow some self-respect, y'all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »ok, maybe you had half an actual point drowning in that river of petulant whine of yours. let's see:
and my points were that (1) using the autoattack-afk tactics he was talking about, the veno can't kill him back either, so what's he whining about; (2) even i wouldn't try to just autoattack-afk in a pvp situation, because that's a stupid tactic --- even i know that much, and i know squat about pvp because i hate it.
geez, the more i read of people who talk pvp a lot, the lower my opinion of pvp'ers. seriously, grow some self-respect, y'all.
The situation he used with the afk veno was typically hypothetical, he was just pointing out how badly our dd sucks now, it's not like it's all fine and dandy cos the veno can't kill us either -.-
you said it yourself, that's enough reason to stop posting and leave this thread.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »Almon - Lost City wrote: »QQQQQQQ; QQQ --- QQQ
ok, maybe you had half an actual point drowning in that river of petulant whine of yours. let's see:
and my points were that (1) using the autoattack-afk tactics he was talking about, the veno can't kill him back either, so what's he whining about; (2) even i wouldn't try to just autoattack-afk in a pvp situation, because that's a stupid tactic --- even i know that much, and i know squat about pvp because i hate it.
geez, the more i read of people who talk pvp a lot, the lower my opinion of pvp'ers. seriously, grow some self-respect, y'all.
1. the issue of being able to kill others in PvP is not solved by such statements as "well he cant get killed back either by someone who is afk" This is irrelevant and demonstrates little understanding of the issue at hand.
2. Auto attacking an afk person was brought up to prove a point. Its obvious you don't know anything about PvP, so why do you keep deflecting and outright ignoring the arguments of people who do know what they are talking about? You can learn a lot by listening. Also, if you hate PvP, why do you insist on leaving input about matters regarding it?
3. the final statement you made I could direct at you, seeing as how you like to flame as a way of getting attention, grow some self respect...0 -
Even if everyone agrees with you guys. The damage has been done. It sucks....but it happened.0
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_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »2. Auto attacking an afk person was brought up to prove a point.
except that IT DIDN'T DO THAT.
think a little about WHAT point Dan was trying to prove with it. that a BM's damage output, from autoattacking alone, can't punch through rank 9 arcane enough to kill that player? okay, granted, but what's that supposed to prove? you and everybody else here admit that no serious pvp'ers would even try to fight that way --- INCLUDING ANY PVP ARCANES, i'm most likely betting, hence my point about the veno being unable to punch through HIS defenses with autoattack!
or is anybody here seriously pretending a fox form veno could just phys-attack TheDan and flatten him that way, without using any skills or more advanced tactics? anybody?
like i said, i outright hate PVP, and yet even i know that such an autoattack contest would prove nothing and is never done. so what was he trying to say by mentioning such a hypothetical? i'd never expect him to try to defeat any pvp player --- caster or melee --- that way, i'm betting you wouldn't either, so to what is it ever relevant?Also, if you hate PvP, why do you insist on leaving input about matters regarding it?
i'm leaving input on the matter concerning exploiting bugs to get an advantage over other players, PvE or PvP, as well as the related matter of game balance in general. you folks are the ones insisting there's this whole class that's somehow rendered useless in PvP if you can't exploit a bug to gain advantage over other players in PvP.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
I already told you, he mentioned it hypothetically to prove how terrible the bms dd is now.0
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LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »except that IT DIDN'T DO THAT.
think a little about WHAT point Dan was trying to prove with it. that a BM's damage output, from autoattacking alone, can't punch through rank 9 arcane enough to kill that player? okay, granted, but what's that supposed to prove? you and everybody else here admit that no serious pvp'ers would even try to fight that way --- INCLUDING ANY PVP ARCANES, i'm most likely betting, hence my point about the veno being unable to punch through HIS defenses with autoattack!
or is anybody here seriously pretending a fox form veno could just phys-attack TheDan and flatten him that way, without using any skills or more advanced tactics? anybody?
like i said, i outright hate PVP, and yet even i know that such an autoattack contest would prove nothing and is never done. so what was he trying to say by mentioning such a hypothetical? i'd never expect him to try to defeat any pvp player --- caster or melee --- that way, i'm betting you wouldn't either, so to what is it ever relevant?
i'm leaving input on the matter concerning exploiting bugs to get an advantage over other players, PvE or PvP, as well as the related matter of game balance in general. you folks are the ones insisting there's this whole class that's somehow rendered useless in PvP if you can't exploit a bug to gain advantage over other players in PvP.
That proves that without cancel casting BMs damage output is virtually useless, because autoattacking like that is basically all we can do now. We used to be able to cancel cast to boos our damage enough to kill them but now we can't. That's the WHOLE. FREAKING. POINT. The only way a BM can do enough damage to bypass a charm on a decently geared player is by sparking which exhausts all of our chi and leaves us open to counter attacks.
We can stunlock them all day long but it won't make a difference if we can't actually kill them, and if you can't kill them while they're afk.. a stunlock won't make a difference. And.. you know.. that's really all a stunlock is... stun>fist auto>stun> fist auto>repeat.... also, this isn't about venos... this is about BMs and the loss of our ability to fight effectively in 1v1 PvP.
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Can any of the end game BMs that PK a lot in here honestly say that the entire sanctity of your PK life for your class depends on 3 glitches...... o.o
I'm sorry but I have a hard time buying it (just an outsider looking in though BMs my next class to make
) BladedZero - Sanctuary
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Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »Can any of the end game BMs that PK a lot in here honestly say that the entire sanctity of your PK life for your class depends on 3 glitches...... o.o
I'm sorry but I have a hard time buying it (just an outsider looking in though BMs my next class to make)
May as well roll a sin.. they can do everything a BM can but better, aside from AoEing. Since we can't glitch anymore you'd be better off just doing that to be honest.0 -
45 pages of QQ on the removal of an EXPLOIT?
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LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »except that IT DIDN'T DO THAT.
think a little about WHAT point Dan was trying to prove with it. that a BM's damage output, from autoattacking alone, can't punch through rank 9 arcane enough to kill that player? okay, granted, but what's that supposed to prove? you and everybody else here admit that no serious pvp'ers would even try to fight that way --- INCLUDING ANY PVP ARCANES, i'm most likely betting, hence my point about the veno being unable to punch through HIS defenses with autoattack!
or is anybody here seriously pretending a fox form veno could just phys-attack TheDan and flatten him that way, without using any skills or more advanced tactics? anybody?
like i said, i outright hate PVP, and yet even i know that such an autoattack contest would prove nothing and is never done. so what was he trying to say by mentioning such a hypothetical? i'd never expect him to try to defeat any pvp player --- caster or melee --- that way, i'm betting you wouldn't either, so to what is it ever relevant?
i'm leaving input on the matter concerning exploiting bugs to get an advantage over other players, PvE or PvP, as well as the related matter of game balance in general. you folks are the ones insisting there's this whole class that's somehow rendered useless in PvP if you can't exploit a bug to gain advantage over other players in PvP.
1. If you had even basic knowledge of classes you would have taken the point :]
2. the BM class was more balanced with the bugs/glitches/exploits/features whatever you want to call them. And your statement goes off of the false assumption that this game was created balanced. If a barb had found a glitch that would improve the levels of aggro generated by their aggro skills, that could be seen as a balancing glitch (this is an example ofc). "fixing" the glitch would leave things more unbalanced, and I would say the same in this situation in regards to BMs.0 -
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Relying on glitches is not proper balance. Getting skills to behave correctly is the first step to really addressing class balance.
I think everybody can agree that it's not proper balance, but in this case it does change the balance quite a bit even if it wasn't "proper balance".The 2nd step now would be to introduce new skills, or better yet fix the old one to bring back the balance.0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Relying on glitches is not proper balance. Getting skills to behave correctly is the first step to really addressing class balance.
Indeed. But at this stage, we can't trust that anything else will be implemented to address the existing issues with imbalance and set things right. The BMs suffer the loss, but there is no reason to believe there will be progress.
I don't even think our GMs know that this was in the patch0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »Indeed. But at this stage, we can't trust that anything else will be implemented to address the existing issues with imbalance and set things right. The BMs suffer the loss, but there is no reason to believe there will be progress.
I don't even think our GMs know that this was in the patch
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