bm class made weaker?

Joshcja - Sanctuary

No really, not only is every memeber of the class a walking oneshot thanks to the SPAM of rank 8/9. Not only have we been trumped in pve by sins TW by DD's.

But now you've removed cancle casting? The only remaining skill based factor of the bm class? The only thing allowign Bm's to actually KILL targets in 1v1 pvp or keep up with ARCHERS AND BARBS in pve with our own weapon? God thats not even funny.

All this and theres not even a note in the patch?

edit: A GM response on this would be nice. Cutting out the main trump card of a well balanced class without so much as a word of warning is just a kick in the balls.

Note original title was far more offensive and crass than the current one. Hey mods if you can edit my posts why not give us a reply eh?

endlesstorture

u get 5aps and stun lock

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

No really, not only is every memeber of the class a walking oneshot thanks to the SPAM of rank 8/9. Not only have we been trumped in pve by sins TW by DD's.

But now you've removed cancle casting? The only remaining skill based factor of the bm class? The only thing allowign Bm's to actually KILL targets in 1v1 pvp or keep up with ARCHERS AND BABS in pve with our own weapon? God thats not even funny.

All this and theres not even a note in the patch?

I was kinda happy sins couldn't glitch anymore.. any little nerf would help, but it is kinda lame that bms get the real short end of the stick.

Aubree - Dreamweaver

If you relied on a known exploit as canceling skills (bannable by the way) you fail.

Sin - Raging Tide

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

The only thing allowign Bm's to actually KILL targets in 1v1 pvp....

wut.... I can see why you were QQing so much in the Sins need a nurf thread.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I was kinda happy sins couldn't glitch anymore.. any little nerf would help, but it is kinda lame that bms get the real short end of the stick.

More or less we're gotten the short end of the stick on every "change" ever

Genis, oh hey EVERYONE can break stunlock now! Now your all required to use a full STR geni just to stun with OI

Cheap rank 8, nuff said

Cheap rank 9, and the worst rank 9 in game on bm's

Tideborn, heres 2 classes, one of them will do your job better than you in pve and be the most godly map pvp class in game, the other will be killable by every class BUT yours in 1v1 pvp.

Jones blessing nuff said

5 aps, shure it boosts bm's however guess what? without CCing every class out DD's you WITH YOUR OWN WEAPON in pve.

Adroit - Lost City

Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »

wut.... I can see why you were QQing so much in the Sins need a nurf thread.

like the one that thinks sins are perfectly balanced has ANY room to talk. AHAHHAA b:laugh

Sin - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

like the one that thinks sins are perfectly balanced has ANY room to talk. AHAHHAA b:laugh

lol when did i say sins were perfectly balanced? I was saying it's NOT impossible to kill a sin with the right techniques. apparently it is impossible for you guys though.

Adroit - Lost City

Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol when did i say sins were perfectly balanced? I was saying it's NOT impossible to kill a sin with the right techniques. apparently it is impossible for you guys though.

killing a sin like you.. not really a problem. A sin that knows the class.. I'd have a better chance jumping off a cliff and having aliens swoop down to save me on their UFO and dropping me off at my house with a winning lotto ticket than killing a good sin.

MageFizban - Lost City

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you relied on a known exploit as canceling skills (bannable by the way) you fail.

if it were bannable, i'd think all the non-re*arded sins would have been banned long ago.

Sin - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

killing a sin like you.. not really a problem. A sin that knows the class.. I'd have a better chance jumping off a cliff and having aliens swoop down to save me on their UFO and dropping me off at my house with a winning lotto ticket than killing a good sin.

lmao killing a sin like me? Cause you know my style of playing perfectly well from a completely different server that you can claim im an easy kill. Why so much QQing that sins are OP if i'm not a problem? b:laugh

Kagusa - Sanctuary

I can say the same things about clerics.

Genies- Oh hey, look...now people have more means to get out of sleep.
Tideborn- Oh hey, look....a class that can solo practically everything, who needs clerics anyway?
Eearthguard- Oh hey, look.....a second kind of cleric with minions, so they don't get hit. Ohhh and they also like to annoy clerics by butting in their heals (nothing next to cleric heals still) instead of dding and makes us feel like we aren't doing our job correctly. I don't wanna share my job with another class.
Aps- Oh hey, look.... now all melee classes apart from seekers get aps, now they can boost next to us and hax (thanks to deleting our sleep). If you want to win, you have to be really careful against melee classes now.

I'm pretty sure there would be more..

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

Whoa whoa.

They finally fixed the skill cancel instacast exploit? For real?

... wonder why THAT wasn't in the patch notes.

Adroit - Lost City

Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »

lmao killing a sin like me? Cause you know my style of playing perfectly well from a completely different server that you can claim im an easy kill. Why so much QQing that sins are OP if i'm not a problem? b:laugh

It doesn't take long talking to someone to figure out how knowledgeable they are about something. Sorry to break it to you, but you just ain't the sharpest crayon in the box when it comes to sins if you know what I mean. b:bye

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

More or less we're gotten the short end of the stick on every "change" ever

Genis, oh hey EVERYONE can break stunlock now! Now your all required to use a full STR geni just to stun with OI

Cheap rank 8, nuff said

Cheap rank 9, and the worst rank 9 in game on bm's

Tideborn, heres 2 classes, one of them will do your job better than you in pve and be the most godly map pvp class in game, the other will be killable by every class BUT yours in 1v1 pvp.

Jones blessing nuff said

5 aps, shure it boosts bm's however guess what? without CCing every class out DD's you WITH YOUR OWN WEAPON in pve.

I know I am not adding much to the conversation, but I do completely agree with what josh said above.

Blademasters have gotten the short end of the stick with a lot of the updates. (Though I don't glitch and cancel all the skills coming in at me.) They are still by far my favorite class to play, however, I have the most rants about them, and could probably rant all day and night about them.

EDIT: Clerics are still wanted/welcomed in a lot of squads, regardless of their gear.

Though it is indeed sad that people base skill level upon what gear you are wearing, and tend to only invite you if you have major aps. really kind of sucks for wizard, psy, veno classes. Still not sure if people are shunning seekers/mystics because of sucky damage output or just because they are still unsure what earthguards can do. =x

Sin - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

It doesn't take long talking to someone to figure out how knowledgeable they are about something. Sorry to break it to you, but you just ain't the sharpest crayon in the box when it comes to sins if you know what I mean. b:bye

Sharpest? i think you mean Brightest.... and I'm not the one QQing about not being able to kill a certain class now am i?b:chuckle And i know my class very well, I've played my sin since day 1 and pvp quite a lot.. If you're a wiz that doesn't know how to kill a sin, then who's not the brightest crayon in the box now?

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

I'm with Josh on this one. Cast Cancel and good stun lock are what good BMs do in PK.

Pytharia - Lost City

Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've played my sin since day 1

Exactly. When people have problems with sins, it's obviously not sin vs sin. Try playing the other classes and fight a sin that knows what their doing. Also she ment sharpest, why brightest crayon? two different ways to say a saying.

But yeah, it's not the end of the world but dbb without the 2 sparks was nice .

Sin - Raging Tide

Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »

Exactly. When people have problems with sins, it's obviously not sin vs sin. Try playing the other classes and fight a sin that knows what their doing. Also she ment sharpest, why brightest crayon? two different ways to say a saying.

But yeah, it's not the end of the world but dbb without the 2 sparks was nice .

Yeah i agree. And you can tell a sin knows what they are doing when the don't stand out in stealth all day and can kill sins that pop up on them. It can actually be easier to kill a sin that pops up on you rather than popping up on another if you know exactly what you're doing. and the only way i've heard it is Brightest crayon in the box, or sharpest tool in the shed..... sharpest pencil.. etc. never really needed a sharp crayon as a kid xD

Adroit - Lost City

Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sharpest? i think you mean Brightest.... and I'm not the one QQing about not being able to kill a certain class now am i?b:chuckle And i know my class very well, I've played my sin since day 1 and pvp quite a lot.. If you're a wiz that doesn't know how to kill a sin, then who's not the brightest crayon in the box now?

I actually meant exactly what I said. If you knew your class so well, you'd laugh at the thought of someone using expel against you.. any half brain dead monkey could figure out how to use the ridiculous arsenal of skills a sin has to deal with a few seconds of physical immunity. But seriously, if you lose to wizards 1v1.. you cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me you know your class.

Pytharia - Lost City

Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »

and the only way i've heard it is Brightest crayon in the box, or sharpest tool in the shed..... sharpest pencil.. etc. never really needed a sharp crayon as a kid xD

so you needed a bright crayon? b:shocked

Sin - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I actually meant exactly what I said. If you knew your class so well, you'd laugh at the thought of someone using expel against you.. any half brain dead monkey could figure out how to use the ridiculous arsenal of skills a sin has to deal with a few seconds of physical immunity. But seriously, if you lose to wizards 1v1.. you cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me you know your class.

Now you're just making yourself and your class look bad by saying there are wizzys incapable of killing sins. yeah sins have a huge advantage over a wiz, doesn't mean it's not impossible like you're making it seem. a wiz that actually knows what they are doing and know the assassin class well and how they pvp can take out a sin. It's that simple. It's not impossible to kill a sin. and yeah iv'e died to a powerful and skillful wizzy before. but then again, who hasn't? I'm not butthurt or crying about it, it's just pvp. If you have common sense and knowledge of how sins react to your skills, then you should have a chance at killing them.

Sin - Raging Tide

Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »

so you needed a bright crayon? b:shocked

i like bright colors, they are pretty b:cute

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

No really, not only is every memeber of the class a walking oneshot thanks to the SPAM of rank 8/9. Not only have we been trumped in pve by sins TW by DD's.

But now you've removed cancle casting? The only remaining skill based factor of the bm class? The only thing allowign Bm's to actually KILL targets in 1v1 pvp or keep up with ARCHERS AND BABS in pve with our own weapon? God thats not even funny.

All this and theres not even a note in the patch?

Excuse me?

Pytharia - Lost City

Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »

i like bright colors, they are pretty b:cute

Well then saying "the brightest crayon the the box" is suggesting that the bright colours are better than the darker ones which is not true. So that doesn't work.

oh and no offence but seriously, if a sin can't kill a wizard then... they're like fishies favourite food! but anyway, this thread is getting off topic.

Rawr y u pwn bm *** so hard pwi? rage rage. Ahh there you go, i brought it back

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Excuse me?

barbs

<- dysgraphic lacking a spell check and no longer cares enough about the game to go back and fix the 1000 errors in anything i type ever.

and yes archers can use berserker fists with a far higher critrate, or just use full rank 9 armor to hit rank 9 (for barbs and archers) w/o CC archers are about 5% behind bm's and barbs are about 2% ahead with the same weapon. Counting archers ability to use higher damage fists at 5 aps and attack levels on the barbs both classes out DD BM's without CC

Infernia - Harshlands

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

barbs

<- dysgraphic lacking a spell check and no longer cares enough about the game to go back and fix the 1000 errors in anything i type ever.

Shoulda been babes. You know you just cant keep up unless you roll a female, sin or Archer. b:cool

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »

Shoulda been babes. You know you just cant keep up unless you roll a female, sin or Archer. b:cool

well played

Sin - Raging Tide

Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »

Well then saying "the brightest crayon the the box" is suggesting that the bright colours are better than the darker ones which is not true. So that doesn't work.

oh and no offence but seriously, if a sin can't kill a wizard then... they're like fishies favourite food! but anyway, this thread is getting off topic.

Rawr y u pwn bm *** so hard pwi? rage rage. Ahh there you go, i brought it back

You obviously don't get the Idiom. Bright = smart. Brightest crayon.... you must be one of those darker ones b:surrender

And please show me where i said i CAN'T kill a wiz.... b:chuckle

Adroit - Lost City

Sin - Raging Tide wrote: »

Now you're just making yourself and your class look bad by saying there are wizzys incapable of killing sins. yeah sins have a huge advantage over a wiz, doesn't mean it's not impossible like you're making it seem. a wiz that actually knows what they are doing and know the assassin class well and how they pvp can take out a sin. It's that simple. It's not impossible to kill a sin. and yeah iv'e died to a powerful and skillful wizzy before. but then again, who hasn't? I'm not butthurt or crying about it, it's just pvp. If you have common sense and knowledge of how sins react to your skills, then you should have a chance at killing them.

Oh so it's cool that sins have a "huge advantage" over wizards as long as there is a fraction of a chance the wizard could win. I mean the sin could miss with a control skill, could dc in the middle of a fight, tidal could magically never resist anything.. sure I'm loving my odds. You've changed your story from sins are balanced to "its not as bad as you make it sound". Please.

Sin - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Oh so it's cool that sins have a "huge advantage" over wizards as long as there is a fraction of a chance the wizard could win. I mean the sin could miss with a control skill, could dc in the middle of a fight, tidal could magically never resist anything.. sure I'm loving my odds. You've changed your story from sins are balanced to "its not as bad as you make it sound". Please.

Like i said, i never said sins were balanced. I'm saying with the right technique, you can take down a sin. ANY skilled wizzy knows this. Which is probably why you don't...