bm class made weaker?
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LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »tried that. gets me ignored, online or IRL either one. flaming not only gets people to pay attention, but lets me have fun while drubbing my points through their skulls just the same.
I'm still waiting for you to give a valid point. So far its been a newbie that can't get it through their skull why people are "whinning" and how they have a VERY reason reason too.0 -
Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »EDIT: I say "fairly balanced" very loosely.
yeah, your opinions DO seem pretty loosely connected to reality...
newsflash: if the only way you can "balance" one class against the others is by exploiting a flaw in how its skills are coded so as to make them work in a way they were not intended to, then that class is not balanced and never was.
you've been playing an unbalanced (for the worse) class in PVP all along, you've just been exploiting some broken code to make up for its shortcomings --- and now you're complaining you don't get to exploit that bug anymore. cry me a river --- oh look, you did![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »Soooo, you are flaming and insulting people to get attention
That doesn't sound any better
also to entertain myself; occasionally my mood is such that talking trash amuses me.
underneath the trash, however, i DO try to put in some actual points and valid arguments. you're complaining about my tone and demeanor while entirely ignoring the substance of my posts. there's a term for that: tone trolling.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »also to entertain myself; occasionally my mood is such that talking trash amuses me.
underneath the trash, however, i DO try to put in some actual points and valid arguments. you're complaining about my tone and demeanor while entirely ignoring the substance of my posts. there's a term for that: tone trolling.
Every points you made is simply invalid since you dunno what you're talking about.
That statement is very incorrect.
I don't see the point in replying to you again, at first i seriously thought you were being serious with the points you raised, i guess it's because this thread shows how people can be stupid/ignorant.b:bye0 -
Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
can you gimmi an example of another class being bs'd badly in pvp?
I can, veno bramble doesn't work in open pk.b:victory
Sometimes my phoenix will fly to someone, then just sit there and not actually attack even though its set to attack and I keep telling it to attack. Venomancers are the original pet class and the pets often don't work. That's a drawback in pvp.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »I can, veno bramble doesn't work in open pk.b:victory
xD if it did, i'd be a veno.
nvm, dunno what was i thinking, hur dur bramble isn't a self buff only.
but if bramble did work, JESUS.Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sometimes my phoenix will fly to someone, then just sit there and not actually attack even though its set to attack and I keep telling it to attack. Venomancers are the original pet class and the pets often don't work. That's a drawback in pvp.
I'm more looking for an update that bs'd somebody. As far as i'm aware the problem with phoenix has always been like that and needs to be fixed. blood damage ijs0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »nope, that's where you went off the rails. i'm not trying to turn this into my own personal pity party; i've got nothing to whine about to begin with, and besides i know throwing pity parties in general discussion accomplishes exactly nothing.
i've not personally been crapped on at all; i just think it's stupid to see these BMs whining for being crapped on now, when they know damn well this game is not balanced, has not been balanced in a damn long while, and random classes get randomly crapped on every so often. if they've paid any attention at all, they should've noticed that long ago, so why act all surprised and butthurt when it happens to them?
maybe next patch venos will get nerfed somehow. wouldn't surprise me one bit, that's how this stupid company does things. if i then come on here and act like a crybaby about it, THAT'S when you have reason to criticize me.
eh, why do y'all even act all butthurt to be crapped on in PVP? PKing is all about somebody getting crapped on, and usually when they don't want to be, isn't it? you go whitenamed, whether on a PK server or not, expect to get crapped on. isn't that why you guys do that stuff in the first place? i know if i stick my head into dragon temple, or the cube, there'll be some PKer there to **** on me whether i'm whitenamed or blue; that's just how PKing works --- now you whine because the devs went and crapped on your PKing for a change...? reroll carebear and stay blue, problem solved, ijs.
Who do you think you are? Yulk? Gtfo seriously; your arguments aren't sound at all. You want BMs to stop whining because unbalanced PvP should be the standard? You're telling BMs they can PK other end game R9 players without cancel cast? This shows how little you know about PvP, let alone the BM class. I can go auto attack a R9 veno while they're afk in fox form, with my +12 G15 Nirvana fists and they would still be alive when they came back.
Without DBB GS / or DBB CH there's no way in hell any BM can kill a competent end game R9 +10 geared player by auto attacking. If you could level a character past 70 and provide justified arguments how BMs can still compete in PvP without using Yulk logic I might be more inclined to think you aren't flinging **** around. b:byeBM PvP Guide: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1320761
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Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »Every points you made is simply invalid
then you shouldn't have any trouble explaining just HOW i'm wrong, now should you?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »Who do you think you are? Yulk? Gtfo seriously; your arguments aren't sound at all. You want BMs to stop whining because unbalanced PvP should be the standard? You're telling BMs they can PK other end game R9 players without cancel cast? This shows how little you know about PvP, let alone the BM class. I can go auto attack a R9 veno while they're afk in fox form, with my +12 G15 Nirvana fists and they would still be alive when they came back.
Without DBB GS / or DBB CH there's no way in hell any BM can kill a competent end game R9 +10 geared player by auto attacking. If you could level a character past 70 and provide justified arguments how BMs can still compete in PvP without using Yulk logic I might be more inclined to think you aren't flinging **** around. b:bye
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Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »xD if it did, i'd be a veno.
nvm, dunno what was i thinking, hur dur bramble isn't a self buff only.
but if bramble did work, JESUS.
I'm more looking for an update that bs'd somebody. As far as i'm aware the problem with phoenix has always been like that and needs to be fixed. blood damage ijs
Yeah the bleed on pets should have been fixed years ago I agree, but I'm talking about my pet flying over to attack someone, but just following them and not actually attacking them at all. That didn't happen at first then a few years later it started to.
Bramble Hood is a self buff only.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah the bleed on pets should have been fixed years ago I agree, but I'm talking about my pet flying over to attack someone, but just following them and not actually attacking them at all. That didn't happen at first then a few years later it started to.
Bramble Hood is a self buff only.
I've never been a veno so i can't speak with confidence on their behalf, I think everybody can agree if bramble hood worked they'd cry, let alone bramble *cough R9+12 psy*.LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »then you shouldn't have any trouble explaining just HOW i'm wrong, now should you?
I'm not aware of a single time you posted an argument instead of telling us to stop QQ whilst being unaware of the extent of whats been changed.0 -
TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »Who do you think you are? Yulk? Gtfo seriously; your arguments aren't sound at all. You want BMs to stop whining because unbalanced PvP should be the standard? You're telling BMs they can PK other end game R9 players without cancel cast? This shows how little you know about PvP, let alone the BM class. I can go auto attack a R9 veno while they're afk in fox form, with my +12 G15 Nirvana fists and they would still be alive when they came back.
Without DBB GS / or DBB CH there's no way in hell any BM can kill a competent end game R9 +10 geared player by auto attacking. If you could level a character past 70 and provide justified arguments how BMs can still compete in PvP without using Yulk logic I might be more inclined to think you aren't flinging **** around. b:bye
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TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »Who do you think you are? Yulk? Gtfo seriously; your arguments aren't sound at all. You want BMs to stop whining because unbalanced PvP should be the standard? You're telling BMs they can PK other end game R9 players without cancel cast? This shows how little you know about PvP, let alone the BM class. I can go auto attack a R9 veno while they're afk in fox form, with my +12 G15 Nirvana fists and they would still be alive when they came back.
Without DBB GS / or DBB CH there's no way in hell any BM can kill a competent end game R9 +10 geared player by auto attacking. If you could level a character past 70 and provide justified arguments how BMs can still compete in PvP without using Yulk logic I might be more inclined to think you aren't flinging **** around. b:bye
Random question, is that only aganst R9 casters that BMs apperently cant kill, or is it anyone with R8/Narvana/HH99 gear? b:question
Because on how everybody is puting it, it seems that BMs are suddenly worst pk class in the game, even with 5aps and stuns.
I just wondering...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »Random question, is that only aganst R9 casters that BMs apperently cant kill, or is it anyone with R8/Narvana/HH99 gear? b:question
Because on how everybody is puting it, it seems that BMs are suddenly worst pk class in the game, even with 5aps and stuns.
I just wondering...
It would be against any equivelent geared person, arcane to HA. People use r9 as an example because it is end of end gear atm.0 -
SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »Random question, is that only aganst R9 casters that BMs apperently cant kill, or is it anyone with R8/Narvana/HH99 gear? b:question
Because on how everybody is puting it, it seems that BMs are suddenly worst pk class in the game, even with 5aps and stuns.
I just wondering...
I have no experience as a BM, but if they absolutely need to CC to beat R8, Nirvana, and TT90, then the developers need to re-balance the class.
However, if its to kill R9... Then, no. R9 is unbalanced. Period.A sword can cut a man in twain, but words can shake a fortress to the ground.0 -
SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »Random question, is that only aganst R9 casters that BMs apperently cant kill, or is it anyone with R8/Narvana/HH99 gear? b:question
Because on how everybody is puting it, it seems that BMs are suddenly worst pk class in the game, even with 5aps and stuns.
I just wondering...
What he's saying is he cannot kill a r9 veno with THE BEST dps wepon available to a blademaster. sure since r8 sucks when it comes to armor if a +10 lunar claw bm comes up and starts punching it'll hurt, but now with the state of the game r8 gear isint endgame. Soon r9 will be the norm on all servers, and Bm's will not be able to compete.... nobody cares about bm's being able to stun lock and axe spam ppl in their 70's ofcourse that'll kill people because gear fails then. But even well geared nirvana classes (with some skill) will no longer die if they put up a fight. no argument at all about it.0 -
PhantomThief - Archosaur wrote: »However, if its to kill R9... Then, no. R9 is unbalanced. Period.
the thing is with the current nature of the game and R9 being as easily accessible as it is it's getting to that, but it's not just R9 no.0 -
SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »Random question, is that only aganst R9 casters that BMs apperently cant kill, or is it anyone with R8/Narvana/HH99 gear? b:question
Because on how everybody is puting it, it seems that BMs are suddenly worst pk class in the game, even with 5aps and stuns.
I just wondering...
BMs were originally a good class but now with the nerf, we only have 5 APS on our side, which does nothing if you can keep at a distance, which should be quite easy. Everyone nowadays is built to avoid sins and BMs with genies that are made to break you out of stuff, anti-stun a little longer, immune you to any physical damage, etc. The class, at one point, was decent. Now we're just absolute trash.Sad enough to say, alone we can barely light a match, but together we can burn this place down0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »also to entertain myself; occasionally my mood is such that talking trash amuses me.
underneath the trash, however, i DO try to put in some actual points and valid arguments. you're complaining about my tone and demeanor while entirely ignoring the substance of my posts. there's a term for that: tone trolling.
LOL is everything trolling now?
I guess someone who can bring up a reasonable argument backed by logic and sound thinking would just be a "thinker troll" to you
Well I got a name for you, fail troll, you arent really trolling are you? You're argument is just so idiotic that one could pass it off as an argument made by someone who was trying to sound as stupid as possible on purpose.
I can be an *** too you know lmao, also My statements were based on your tone because your arguments had no substance, they were merely insults.0 -
TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »seriously; your arguments aren't sound at all.
then explain how they're unsound.You want BMs to stop whining because unbalanced PvP should be the standard?
hell no. i want a balanced game to be standard, we just don't have balance and haven't for so long that "badly unbalanced" has become the expectation.
but you guys AREN'T whining about how the game's unbalanced, or how that's become expected, are you? you're whining because, this once around, it got unbalanced in your disfavor.
you're just whining because it's your ox got gored this time, not because the goring is constant and ongoing and shows no sign of ever letting up.You're telling BMs they can PK other end game R9 players without cancel cast?
hell no. but so what? why do you expect that your class should be balanced enough to do that, so long as some other class in the game isn't? if the game's not balanced, and the imbalance isn't being addressed appropriately by the devs, then it's only a matter of time before the imbalance comes around to bite your favorite class.
well, now it's come around to bite the BMs. and what are you complaining about?
is it that the game's suffering from longstanding and never resolved balance issues that were just bound to hit every class in the game sooner or later, because they weren't being addressed properly?
no! you're complaining that they happened to hit the class you're playing!I can go auto attack a R9 veno while they're afk in fox form, with my +12 G15 Nirvana fists and they would still be alive when they came back.
wow, that's really impressive --- a BM on AFK autoattack being unable to kill a veno on AFK autoattack. wait, wait, let me guess --- you're not going to mention how long it'd take that veno on autoattack to kill you, are you?
you're right, i don't know much about PvP --- i can't, because somehow i had thought it involved more than just autoattacking and pulling your hands off the keyboard until you won.
one thing playing veno's taught me, even in very low-level PvE only game; if i want to get something done, i can't just sit there with my finger on the venomous scarab button and expect the game to play itself. but maybe PvP is very different, you tell me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »LOL is everything trolling now?
what you're doing towards me is trolling. you've quit tone trolling, though, and gone to insult trolling --- probably you had no other tactic once you realized i can see a tone troll for what they are.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »wow, that's really impressive --- a BM on AFK autoattack being unable to kill a veno on AFK autoattack. wait, wait, let me guess --- you're not going to mention how long it'd take that veno on autoattack to kill you, are you?
you're right, i don't know much about PvP --- i can't, because somehow i had thought it involved more than just autoattacking and pulling your hands off the keyboard until you won.
one thing playing veno's taught me, even in very low-level PvE only game; if i want to get something done, i can't just sit there with my finger on the venomous scarab button and expect the game to play itself. but maybe PvP is very different, you tell me.
Do you really think it is ok for an arcane wearer to afk tank g15 +12 fists at 5 aps with damage increase bonus.
Imo, all you BMs should stop bothering to respond to this one.
Edit: I guess i got my answer to that question lmao0 -
SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »
Because on how everybody is puting it, it seems that BMs are suddenly worst pk class in the game, even with 5aps and stuns.
**** weapons, **** skills, **** stat distributions, **** range...
Any seasoned pker could see BMs coming to stun from miles away (don't even need that big blurry ray of blue light marking your path while you sprint towards your target), enough to take a counter measure. 5 aps is worthless unless you can get in range and no ranged class in their right mind would let that happen.
Not to mention now that you can no longer cancel Cyclone Heel (actually casting it is incredibly stupid), only way for BMs to reach 5 aps is through spark (3 sparks), genie (energy), apo (cooldown), all of which puts the BM at a disadvantage should the fight not finish in the next 6 seconds.
Sure I used to be able to pk people with stunlock, but back then +10 was still rare, nobody was using JSoD, and less than a handful of people had R8. Now +10 is a standard feat and you have R9 people running around 1 shotting people. BMs just don't have the advantages to stay competitive in the current PK field.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »then explain how they're unsound.
hell no. i want a balanced game to be standard, we just don't have balance and haven't for so long that "badly unbalanced" has become the expectation.
but you guys AREN'T whining about how the game's unbalanced, or how that's become expected, are you? you're whining because, this once around, it got unbalanced in your disfavor.
you're just whining because it's your ox got gored this time, not because the goring is constant and ongoing and shows no sign of ever letting up.
hell no. but so what? why do you expect that your class should be balanced enough to do that, so long as some other class in the game isn't? if the game's not balanced, and the imbalance isn't being addressed appropriately by the devs, then it's only a matter of time before the imbalance comes around to bite your favorite class.
well, now it's come around to bite the BMs. and what are you complaining about?
is it that the game's suffering from longstanding and never resolved balance issues that were just bound to hit every class in the game sooner or later, because they weren't being addressed properly?
no! you're complaining that they happened to hit the class you're playing!
wow, that's really impressive --- a BM on AFK autoattack being unable to kill a veno on AFK autoattack. wait, wait, let me guess --- you're not going to mention how long it'd take that veno on autoattack to kill you, are you?
you're right, i don't know much about PvP --- i can't, because somehow i had thought it involved more than just autoattacking and pulling your hands off the keyboard until you won.
one thing playing veno's taught me, even in very low-level PvE only game; if i want to get something done, i can't just sit there with my finger on the venomous scarab button and expect the game to play itself. but maybe PvP is very different, you tell me.
We have, read all the other previous posts.
then you should agree with us since cc made it more balanced.
you still haven't given me any example of any other class getting this badly screwed over by an update to their skills
you keep telling us we're whining or QQ. We know, you can't stop us when we've been fked this hard, so gtfo.
because this was the only thing we had on us to compare to others
by no means is DBB all we use, it's just key0 -
Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »Infernia really needs to leave this thread. You blatantly lied about playing a bm in a pserver because you said in these last pages that you dunno how a bm works, but you're doing a nice job trolling so carry if that's what you're here to do. and XMasqueradex you need to leave too, all you're doing is telling us to stop QQ and have no idea of the impact of what the update did. You know seekers lost a CC too? you're just to low leveled to realize, it was quite a decent one too.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13509841&postcount=312 This?
..... You missed the sarcasm. By like.... miles.0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »Do you really think it is ok for an arcane wearer to afk tank g15 +12 fists at 5 aps with damage increase bonus.
if that's what rank 9 can do, by all means, complain about rank 9. it's very possible that entire level of rank gear is overpowered enough to be unbalancing, and needs to be nerfed. i wouldn't mind at all if it were.
but you aren't complaining about rank 9, now bleedin' are you?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
hmmm now there is nothing at all that defines a true pro player to a avg player on a BM QQ i miss my 100%crit combo with heavensflame allready with my r9axes
and Infernia ive yet to see ya on HL but.. WE GUNNA FIND U!Im about to bust my pole up yo **** hole0 -
Boohoo I can't cancel my crit and AR skills I r gunna complain. Some of us avoided obvious glitches in the first place, keep in mind.0
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Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13509841&postcount=312 This?
..... You missed the sarcasm. By like.... miles.
well the "3 chi" was obvious but "I dont know how BMs work, not like they need chi to use them crit / fire damage buffs or anything." the sarcasm you used in this is in favor to the point i'm making.0 -
ICEsmoke - Harshlands wrote: »hmmm now there is nothing at all that defines a true pro player to a avg player on a BM QQ i miss my 100%crit combo with heavensflame allready with my r9axes
and Infernia ive yet to see ya on HL but.. WE GUNNA FIND U!
If im not on my Wizard flying around hoping for something to do il be in Sand Song on my Sin grinding.
Feel free to find and kill me, just use yer Lunar pole and not your R9 axes, my gear isnt great ^_^0
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