Upcoming G17/R5 weapon release in PW-CN Discussion

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  • blazerboy
    blazerboy Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    @tictic99999 are we playing the same game? Even our nuema portal psy doesnt do that lmfao. Maybe you're a wiz doing fire proc which completely leaves me wondering why wiz ever complain but by average I hope you mean updated spirit ect otherwise doesnt really matter? I know @limonozza can only hit like with with a target self buff and fire proc and even then with a crit he does about 40k so how are u doing 60k crits lol.
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    Please keep the discussion on-topic so I don't have to clean it again.​​
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  • limonazza
    limonazza Posts: 332 Arc User
    shade13 wrote: »
    blazerboy wrote: »
    @asterelle still that does imply as @limonazza said you will keep rerolls until you get the best possible atk/def ratio you need for your personal playstyle right? If this is the case then darn this game still favor luck over time or money which stinks man...

    Yes, limonazza's mistake was 2 def skills on the weap at the same time, which can't happen.

    yea i was assuming seen the pwdatabase

    so for the defensive g17 weapon will be convenient to have a def lvl 4th cast weapon to be able to have 2x defensive procs​​
  • jsxshadow
    jsxshadow Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    They totally cannot add this stuff. Barbs will be broken. 5.0 GoF Claws...ya right. Absolutely what we need :D even with 3.33, unsparked...4 sec paralyze should be more than enough to kill anything non-HA with the current avg defenses we have. GG.
  • shade13
    shade13 Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    jsxshadow wrote: »
    They totally cannot add this stuff. Barbs will be broken. 5.0 GoF Claws...ya right. Absolutely what we need :D even with 3.33, unsparked...4 sec paralyze should be more than enough to kill anything non-HA with the current avg defenses we have. GG.

    There will be antitarget def skill which can easily proc if you aps with 3.3-5. If it works how it's said (that target should lose you, should autoattack stop in this case too?). And one more defensive skill which completely blocks incoming damage.

    Tidal dosn't inspire me at all, cuz you should receive damage for it to proc. And when you received damage and get stunned/para at the same time, it's too late for tidal to save you. One should aim for something that can save you when you are in cc and cannot use genie.

    But HA/LA are blinded with the possibility to get puri spell too and don't see that it's complete fail nowadays. And will be even worse :D
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  • jabq
    jabq Posts: 821 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    shade13 wrote: »
    But HA/LA are blinded with the possibility to get puri spell too and don't see that it's complete fail nowadays. And will be even worse :D

    Would the purify skill not be useful in warsong, tm lunar, delta for la/ha class? In terms of pve, not interested in pvp debate about it for now. Or generally give better survivability to a la/ha class with low gear? I think we get procs around tier 3 or 4?​​
  • shade13
    shade13 Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    jabq wrote: »
    Would the purify skill not be useful in warsong, tm lunar, delta for la/ha class? In terms of pve, not interested in pvp debate about it for now. Or generally give better survivability to a la/ha class with low gear? I think we get procs around tier 3 or 4?

    I suggest we find out its price first (: Maybe after seeing it you'll prefer to +10 everything instead, so that warsong mobs won't ever bother you monkey-47.gif
    I have some doubts low geared will afford it that easily or fast.
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  • ayejay101
    ayejay101 Posts: 238 Arc User
    jabq wrote: »
    shade13 wrote: »
    But HA/LA are blinded with the possibility to get puri spell too and don't see that it's complete fail nowadays. And will be even worse :D

    Would the purify skill not be useful in warsong, tm lunar, delta for la/ha class? In terms of pve, not interested in pvp debate about it for now. Or generally give better survivability to a la/ha class with low gear? I think we get procs around tier 3 or 4?


    As an R9 Cleric with Purify, I've never really depended on the Puri proc for any of the above mentioned instances.
    Personally, if you're going a PvE route with these weapons, the defense proc that gives you immunity for X seconds and damage reduction following for X seconds would be the better one imo.

    Also for Low Gear? From YouTube vidoes of the new instances, it seems people may want already stronger geared people G16+ as bosses have AoEs and assuming people lesser equipped would just be a hindrance to the squad.

    And yes, from looking at the PWDatabase, it seems you get procs starting from Tier 3.
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  • ayejay101
    ayejay101 Posts: 238 Arc User
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48695&usg=ALkJrhhDzM5TdWAWZ6HesP3ckR7LxYwIbQ

    G17 Neck. More rare than a Crown of Madness from packs... Not much difference than the Defiance cube neck... So I can hold back my depression.
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  • shimarra
    shimarra Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited December 2015
  • asterelle
    asterelle Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    shimarra wrote: »

    EDIT: Nevermind.
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  • shimarra
    shimarra Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    asterelle said:


    That's not a belt it's another neck. There are 4 kinds of necks you can make.

    1) Pdef neck with +5% hp

    2) Pdef neck with +3% crit

    3) Mres neck with +5% hp

    4) Mres neck with +3% crit



    You can't have both the crit and the hp on the same neck. I'm not sure how much of an upgrade it is from our NW neck but it has like +100 spirit on it.
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    It says waist. The other say neck. I think I linked wrong one. https://translate.google.com/translate?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48695 Nevermind it keeps going to neck. If you click the item the bottom says waist.

  • asterelle
    asterelle Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    Ahh you're right. I misunderstood it I guess when I looked at it in PWCN.
    If it's a pack item it seems guaranteed to come eventually since we've gotten all the packs so far.

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    The bottom 3 are spirit +35 and phys/mag penetration + 150

    It bothers me a bit that the pdef neck comes with +300 added mres while the mres beck comes with +250 added pdef.
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  • blazerboy
    blazerboy Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    Even though Crit damage is nerfed quite a bit I still would go with that over hp but darn a new neck after most of us already plus 12 ours why cant we just upgrade man.... like upgrade our tiers because this just makes us have a less player base to compete with. Heck cards dwindled us because a ton of ppl even with r9 wont even play because they dont wanna catch up with cards
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  • ayejay101
    ayejay101 Posts: 238 Arc User
    shimarra wrote: »
    .... And I use pury proc in lunar for mobs pulls.


    Ah right, forgot about that, I do remember pulling mobs once upon a time. Haven't done Lunar in months!

    Also, from those neck stats, I think I'm perfectly fine with the Defiance Cube Neck...
    It's not much of a make or break situation. Just that slight edge over the other.



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  • jabq
    jabq Posts: 821 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    I am assuming these weapons can be traded? I was thinking of farming them on my main and giving to alts. Tier 3 with procs should be much cheaper to acquire compared to tier 4~5, judging from coin costs mentioned earlier.

    Thanks for the defense proc idea, the only instance i stumble in right now is tm lunar 3rd valley on bm, after ant stuns are out, things just go downhill there. If i am able to move, i can stay alive easily with bp, but being stunned onion-59.gif.

    If the weapons are not tradeable, i have to rethink quite a few things.

    Edit---- Thank you @chary​​
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  • chary
    chary Posts: 850 Arc User
    jabq wrote: »
    I am assuming these weapons can be traded? I was thinking of farming them on my main and giving to alts. Tier 3 with procs should be much cheaper to acquire compared to tier 4~5, judging from coin costs mentioned earlier.

    Thanks for the defense proc idea, the only instance i stumble in right now is tm lunar 3rd valley on bm, after ant stuns are out, things just go downhill there. If i am able to move, i can stay alive easily with bp, but being stunned onion-59.gif.

    If the weapons are not tradeable, i have to rethink quite a few things.

    Character bound as stated earlier in the thread.​​
  • rieihdius
    rieihdius Posts: 468 Arc User
    There is one thing that caught my attention while watching this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeUXSg5tN5I

    Im sure that most of you already saw it, it is a 2 hour gameplay (I asume on the test server) that was already linked before to this thread if im not wrong.
    The things that got my attention are:
    - At some point of the video He start playing a mystic. After a short chain quest, that mystic enters to the place related to housing system (41:43)

    - Later at (53:00 minutes or so) The sin Mel is with this mystic on Lost City and after that they both enter to the same housing area, I could be wrong here but I assume that is the Sin property (or house or whatever you want to call it)
    - At 55:00 Mel start opening menus and doing housing related stuff.

    What I don't understand is: Why he put 2 characters on same area?
    Did he do it just to show that one toon can enter to someone else house or actually this 2 character can share a house?

    Because if you can somehow share your house with an alt or a friend. I guess getting those mats for an alt or someone who is not strong enough to farm the new instance would be more easy.

    I know that this is not exactly related to the weapons stats or atributes, but as far as I understand one way to get and/or upgrade those weapons is related to that housing system so thats why im asking here.

  • testxvi
    testxvi Posts: 309 Arc User
    It was a livestream, I was watching some of it while he was streaming. Too bad the questions asked during livestream are gone, but at the very beginning of video he wanted to show the new instance, where you farm materials for weapon. Due to it being a squad instance, he was not able to do so.
    The questchain he was doing on mystic is the questchain you need to complete to get your house system. Requirements were like culti 89+ and 35k reputation I think o.o (or was that for weapon? I already forgot)
    You can enter other peoples housing area, I dont think you can share the house, but what do I know, it was mostly russian and became boring to watch for so long time I stopped paying much attention tiger-9.gif​​
  • shade13
    shade13 Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    rieihdius wrote: »
    - Later at (53:00 minutes or so) The sin Mel is with this mystic on Lost City and after that they both enter to the same housing area, I could be wrong here but I assume that is the Sin property (or house or whatever you want to call it)
    - At 55:00 Mel start opening menus and doing housing related stuff.

    53:00
    'So, to enter my house you target me, open char menu and click last but one option.'
    'Well, let's try this... I'm getting teleported somewhere, I see loading screen in progress.'
    'Then it worked. And I can get into my own house from the panel... actually from any place in game.'



    If you need translation of certain parts, I can do it, but it's a bit too much to translate everything monkey-47.gif
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  • rieihdius
    rieihdius Posts: 468 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    testxvi said:

    It was a livestream, I was watching some of it while he was streaming. Too bad the questions asked during livestream are gone, but at the very beginning of video he wanted to show the new instance, where you farm materials for weapon. Due to it being a squad instance, he was not able to do so.

    The questchain he was doing on mystic is the questchain you need to complete to get your house system. Requirements were like culti 89+ and 35k reputation I think o.o (or was that for weapon? I already forgot)

    You can enter other peoples housing area, I dont think you can share the house, but what do I know, it was mostly russian and became boring to watch for so long time I stopped paying much attention tiger-9.gif​​

    shade13 said:



    rieihdius wrote: »

    - Later at (53:00 minutes or so) The sin Mel is with this mystic on Lost City and after that they both enter to the same housing area, I could be wrong here but I assume that is the Sin property (or house or whatever you want to call it)

    - At 55:00 Mel start opening menus and doing housing related stuff.



    53:00

    'So, to enter my house you target me, open char menu and click last but one option.'

    'Well, let's try this... I'm getting teleported somewhere, I see loading screen in progress.'

    'Then it worked. And I can get into my own house from the panel... actually from any place in game.'






    If you need translation of certain parts, I can do it, but it's a bit too much to translate everything monkey-47.gif
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    Ohh ok thank you both for clearing that doubt I had. :)

    I did notice that almost at the end of the video he indeed was entering other players houses.

    The main reason why I got confused is because while doing that housing system stuff he was selecting the mystic with the sin and sudently he changed to some sort of editing view, so it looked like he was doing something with both toons.

    Still it would been fun if the house could be shared somehow by lets say two friends or a married couple or something.

    EDIT: As always forum quotes are broken :D

  • shade13
    shade13 Posts: 633 Arc User
    rieihdius wrote: »
    Still it would been fun if the house could be shared somehow by lets say two friends or a married couple or something.

    I think you can't share a house with anybody because each char can have its own house. Not 100% sure about it.
    Also heard you can set restrictions on who can enter your house.
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  • jabq
    jabq Posts: 821 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    Another question, sorry if it has already been asked, has anyone found a reasonable farming time for each tier(after tier 1), or for tier 5, based on drops/quests?​​
  • asterelle
    asterelle Posts: 861 Arc User
    jabq wrote: »
    Another question, sorry if it has already been asked, has anyone found a reasonable farming time for each tier(after tier 1), or for tier 5, based on drops/quests?


    It's really hard to say without knowing how easy it is to level up the housing system. You need the high level quests from housing for the higher grade mats needed for the higher tier weapons and it's not clear how you unlock those. There are also drops you can get from the new instance and new tourney.

    If it's a reasonable time it would take like 3-5 months. If it's a starchart kind of time it will take years.
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  • darkonome
    darkonome Posts: 253 Arc User
    Are refines/shards kept or lost when re rolling/upgrading?
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    darkonome wrote: »
    Are refines/shards kept or lost when re rolling/upgrading?
    I would assume it functions exactly the same as upgrading Vana gear now.​​
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  • mulier
    mulier Posts: 305 Arc User
    lets just hope they add the whole bunch of bs to the boutique - otherwise rip pwi .... - another half year daily one has to do , just wont do it anymore
  • sylenthunder
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    mulier wrote: »
    lets just hope they add the whole bunch of bs to the boutique - otherwise rip pwi .... - another half year daily one has to do , just wont do it anymore

    No, that would pretty much kill the game. Besides, in China, none of it's in the boutique.​​
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  • limonazza
    limonazza Posts: 332 Arc User
    mulier wrote: »
    lets just hope they add the whole bunch of bs to the boutique - otherwise rip pwi .... - another half year daily one has to do , just wont do it anymore

    No, that would pretty much kill the game. Besides, in China, none of it's in the boutique.

    wrong​​
  • xskysoldier
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    mulier wrote: »

    lets just hope they add the whole bunch of bs to the boutique - otherwise rip pwi .... - another half year daily one has to do , just wont do it anymore


    No, that would pretty much kill the game. Besides, in China, none of it's in the boutique.​​


    The game is already dying.