Upcoming G17/R5 weapon release in PW-CN Discussion

darkonome

xskysoldier said:

The game is already dying.

People have been saying this since 2009.

jabq

xskysoldier wrote: »

The game is already dying.

The game has been dying since 2006 . So is every living being in this world ​​

mulier

let me rephrase then : lets hope, its not getting added in the forms of another dumbarse daily ... we already got more than enouigh of thsoe ....

just take it from a new players perspective ..... ooh son, u finally got ur r9 ? . well thats ncie, ur still gonna be oneshot for 90% of serverpopulation ... better get your nueamas maxed now , and dont forget the primal passives (which can only be farmed on a daily basis, AND are restricted to x amounts daily) ... ooh and ofc u also need to get some good cards - they luck dependant? - and alot of ppl only got good cards casue of time and giveaways? - bad luck son bad luck ..... but hey ... at least u can/have to farm another thing, called spirit ---- its totally useless **** (once everyone got it) . but until then - u better farm it son ... casue bolloks .. lets jsut add a random fcked up stat (which other big gaming companies have atleast understood is a fcked up idea) that is gonna boost your character above all the wanksters not doing this stat .... until we all did it.. then it completely cancels itself out agian .......


i can totally see new ppl or alts beeing played that way .. right? --- riiight?


soo son, we jsut added another daily cicle into the game .... to get some uber weapon ... but u better do it everyday ... casue face it ... pwi aint a mmo anymore - its just single player daily routine .. and thats it.

came here for the pvp? - bad decision son ... we got all pve servers by now (ok that was salt and grain )



stopping now... as i think every little pidgeon got the arguments by now


my 2 cents

darkonome

@mulier I see what you're saying and to some extent I agree, it's very hard for a new player to catch up and it's getting harder, but at the same time there are little things they are doing to help, like giveaways login events etc, which are still ongoing, and aren't likely to stop anytime soon.

The important thing to note here is that in recent years there has been a steady rise in the MOBA type games, which is basically a fast route to multiplayer PvP on a huge scale but with small teams in arena type settings, these are obviously competing with the more traditional MMO type games like this game, so how do companies like PWCN compete with that, they differentiate, they focus on what they can offer that MOBAs cannot, and that is the daily slow grind, the accomplishment type reward which isn't all about endgame PvP asap, PWCN and consequently PWI are focusing and catering for the players that want this type of casual gameplay, hence the steady shift to dailies, with tiers of sky levels etc, with a bit of PvP thrown in here and there.

There's plenty of MOBAs out there for those that are looking for that type of gameplay and I know plenty of PWI players that have shifted across to those, and I know plenty that have come back having found they prefer this type instead.

mulier

well mmos are going back to niche market .. nothing wrong with that imho... its just the fact, that lately pwi plays like a freaking browsergame (with daily energy limits and terrible stuff like that) .. its literally just this : login .. do dailies (1-2hrs gone) and thats it ... ofc theres more content... but if you want to get going, you have to do those dailies ... thats a flat (for teh sake of argument) 2hrs gameplay . that are getting prolonged for literally the same effing experience every day ...

it just feels weird


personally i got no problem. with slow and steady mmos (playing mmos since more than 10 years now) .. its just the abundance of choices .. that make me cry

mulier

or to put in perspective : be in ts3/mumble /any voice chat --- get online , ask ppl for soemthing to do , be it bh , some twinking , some pvp .... and i bet everyone reading this post knows the common asnwer these days ...


sorry i cant do X with ya --- gotta do my dailies first .. just great ... ooh hey we need another cleric for this ...... --- sorry cant , still need to do my dailies ...

blazerboy

The funny thing is friends in real ask if they should start this game I wouldnt wish that torture on anyone if they could cs most of the gear is chance based its so sad when you see weakest of chars with CoM and some arent alts but when someone spents 2k and doesn't get its like really pwi lol

jabq

Thread getting off-topic again, let's put it back on track.

limonazza wrote: »

we need confirmations boys..

1st confirmation required: Can classes obtain more than one g17 weapon since those aren't class restricted except for tb-ns-mystic-archer weapons?

2nd confirmation required: Did anyone in PWCH obtain the 5th cast already? Are weapons in any database to be checked yet? (Chance to get the procs on fifth cast, weapon damage range etch)

3rd confirmation required: Weapon procs, the % chances of each offensive and defensive proc pretty please

4th confirmation required: Is the 100% mag\phys red offensive proc debuff, stack with its own new debuff icon, or is it not

1. Judging from what i have gathered from Asterelle's reply [thank you for the great replies, they are helpful], i would say yes. Seeing as how weapons are character bound (not sure of account stash capability), so I would say Yes.
2. Again from Astrelle's last reply, i doubt they have, and since the system is a bit complicated. Weapons can be checked on the chinese version.
3. I would presume the chances of proc remain the same regardless of the class of the weapon. If you have a g7 axe with gof, a r999 with gof, both would have the same chance of proc.
4. No clue on that one, videos would have to be made, or wait for the release in our version.

I am waiting a few weeks to see if people get 3rd, 4th tier weapons and post on the chinese forums and that gets trickled over here.​​

shade13

jabq wrote: »

3. I would presume the chances of proc remain the same regardless of the class of the weapon. If you have a g7 axe with gof, a r999 with gof, both would have the same chance of proc.

Someone counted puri spell proc long ago and found out r8r proc actually differs from r9r. Was a topic about it on old forum.​​

eirghan

arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi#/discussion/756424/proc-rate-on-purify-spell

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sylenthunder

eirghan wrote: »

arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi#/discussion/756424/proc-rate-on-purify-spell

Sadly, those results are a far shot from being a conclusive answer. The only way to know for sure would be to look at the items themselves inside the client files and see what it is coded for. I may go poking around this weekend at the data if I can find the right tools.​​

creysero

Whats next? Ring from packs? Belt from packs? Entire gear from packs? Charge or die? This game is getting worse with every new update -.-

ayejay101

creysero wrote: »

Whats next? Ring from packs? Belt from packs? Entire gear from packs? Charge or die? This game is getting worse with every new update -.-

Ring = Sky Cover/ Cloud Stir, hard to obtain from that public quest, and Lunar rings need pack item to upgrade.
Belt = Tradeable inscriptions make belt, unless you choose to farm Warsong which isn't hard at all.
Entire Gear = It's TT99 gear for 100g but got a up to Reawakened 1 and Level 100.

So.... Yeah, gear is already in cash shop making it easier for new players to catch up, with some chance packs giving the end game gear.
It's been about Pay to Win for a long while now.

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xlunaelx

creysero wrote: »

Whats next? Ring from packs? Belt from packs? Entire gear from packs? Charge or die? This game is getting worse with every new update -.-

new neck and hat are non factors and drop chance is worse than CoM
man dont QQ next patch you get purge purify 80 def lvl weapon #demleaps ​​

testxvi

Instance for materials, again https://youtube.com/watch?v=cUDJcvcDK04​​

asterelle

Hmm that video is helpful...
This appears to be a Nirvana style instance where the you get drops from the bosses but need a key to get in.
This is the key. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50410
You can get 3 for free the first day and 1 daily after that.

quick guide to the instance

1) Cross the checkerboard
2) Kill this boss (blue bubble) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48376
3) Kill this boss (chinese chess) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48512
4) Kill this boss (picture board) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48389
5) Kill this boss (courtyard) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48431
6) Beat a squad of 10 NPCs that are wearing R9 gear
7) Kill this boss (lava) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48779 (small chance to drop red mat)

There are two more bosses maybe they didnt get to and are probably on alternate paths:
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48505
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48621

The drops are all housing items plus three more bits needed to make g17 mats.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50251
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50257
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50259
The first two are for one half of an item and you get the other half from housing.

If you do a full run there is also this daily which gives you the same mats you can get from the drops but are untradeable:
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/quest/35516
It looks like the first and last boss will show up in every run but the three middle bosses can be different.


This is the red mat from last boss:
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50263
This mat only comes from that boss or from the pvp tourney.

The other two mats are this gold item from housing or the pvp tourney
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50261

and this red item from advanced housing and top prize in pvp tourney.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50265

I guess that covers the 6 kinds of mats you need for G17

TLDR

mat1 = Blue mat from housing AND instance (need both)
mat2 = Purple mat from housing AND instance (need both)
mat3 = Gold mat from housing OR instance
mat4 = Gold mat from housing OR pvp tourney
mat5 = Red mat from instance OR pvp tourney
mat6 = Red mat from housing OR pvp tourney


If I knew more about how to unlock the high level housing quests it would be possible to tell how long all this takes.​​

catgirldesu

Thanks for the information!
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rieihdius

asterelle said:

Hmm that video is helpful...

This appears to be a Nirvana style instance where the you get drops from the bosses but need a key to get in.

This is the key. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50410

You can get 3 for free the first day and 1 daily after that.



quick guide to the instance



1) Cross the checkerboard

2) Kill this boss (blue bubble) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48376

3) Kill this boss (chinese chess) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48512

4) Kill this boss (picture board) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48389

5) Kill this boss (courtyard) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48431

6) Beat a squad of 10 NPCs that are wearing R9 gear

7) Kill this boss (lava) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48779 (small chance to drop red mat)



There are two more bosses maybe they didnt get to and are probably on alternate paths:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48505

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/48621



The drops are all housing items plus three more bits needed to make g17 mats.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50251

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50257

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50259

The first two are for one half of an item and you get the other half from housing.



If you do a full run there is also this daily which gives you the same mats you can get from the drops but are untradeable:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/quest/35516

It looks like the first and last boss will show up in every run but the three middle bosses can be different.





This is the red mat from last boss:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50263

This mat only comes from that boss or from the pvp tourney.



The other two mats are this gold item from housing or the pvp tourney

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50261



and this red item from advanced housing and top prize in pvp tourney.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50265



I guess that covers the 6 kinds of mats you need for G17



TLDR



mat1 = Blue mat from housing AND instance (need both)

mat2 = Purple mat from housing AND instance (need both)

mat3 = Gold mat from housing OR instance

mat4 = Gold mat from housing OR pvp tourney

mat5 = Red mat from instance OR pvp tourney

mat6 = Red mat from housing OR pvp tourney





If I knew more about how to unlock the high level housing quests it would be possible to tell how long all this takes.​​

This information is very useful.

I have a doubt. You say that if you do full instance daily you can get basically an untradeable version of the drops from Bosses.
I know this sound obvious but.. Does that mean that the mats that those Bosses drop are tradeable?
If so thats good news. I mean it will create a new market and also allow people to get some of those weapons more easily lets say for an alt or something.

asterelle

Yeah the drops are tradeable as are the versions you make from the pvp tourney. You can also make tradeable mats with the housing quests but the cost is 4 times higher than making untradeable (similar to how making stuff from tradeable FSP coins is twice as expensive). The instance daily and the cheap recipe from housing quests are the only sources for the untradeable versions. You have to convert the tradeable versions to untradeable before you make any weapon.

When looking in the db all the versions of the mats that look blue are tradeable while the normal colored versions are untradeable.​​

razzzza

That instance looks sooooo time consuming and boring.. i just flew over the video real fast and i was like "oh my god are you serious" at the picture board thing and was scared of how long this boring thing will take us..

Whats wrong with an old classic and basic dungeon like... go in, punch a few mobs, punch a boss.. punch more mobs.. a boss etc? PWI please.

I will see how it works on live because they are wasting alot of time doing stuff in the background but it looks veeery time consuming which is a bad thing.​​

rieihdius

asterelle said:

Yeah the drops are tradeable as are the versions you make from the pvp tourney. You can also make tradeable mats with the housing quests but the cost is 4 times higher than making untradeable (similar to how making stuff from tradeable FSP coins is twice as expensive). The instance daily and the cheap recipe from housing quests are the only sources for the untradeable versions. You have to convert the tradeable versions to untradeable before you make any weapon.



When looking in the db all the versions of the mats that look blue are tradeable while the normal colored versions are untradeable.​​

Thanks for the reply

For me this sounds really nice. I will probably do the instance on my main most of the time to get her weapon first. and then try to farm a few mats for one or two alts since I doubt that some of those can survive inside there

shade13

rieihdius wrote: »

For me this sounds really nice. I will probably do the instance on my main most of the time to get her weapon first. and then try to farm a few mats for one or two alts...

Thousands of mats

This instance really looks a bit complicated for a daily. Maybe it will be like FS, time consuming at first, but then just easy runs? 2 hours for decently geared squad scare me lol​​

rieihdius

shade13 said:

rieihdius wrote: »

For me this sounds really nice. I will probably do the instance on my main most of the time to get her weapon first. and then try to farm a few mats for one or two alts...

Thousands of mats



This instance really looks a bit complicated for a daily. Maybe it will be like FS, time consuming at first, but then just easy runs? 2 hours for decently geared squad scare me lol​​



True, thats why I dont think any of my alts can run it so easy, I mean even if some of them can survive inside, if it is something like JFSP most of the people will want to run with end game geared players (something that happens a lot on Etherblade)

Thats why I think it will be great that those drops are tradeable, not only because I can farm them with my main for some of my alts that are behind, but also I understand that some people may not like the instance and/or find it too hard, anoying, long, etc. So at least those people will have the chance to get some of those mats from other players and the rest by some daily which it is not so bad.

I already have saved almost all the coin for what i think is the price of the last stage forge (160 mill if im not wrong)
Also I was really lucky by staying +11 on my rrr9 weapon, I was about to get a +12 when i saw this thread first time lol
So Kudos to the OP for this, saved me almost a billion XDD

mars19

They also made special for pwi upgrading our r9r3 to chinese r9r3

http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1512/f5/92925e1f75e5.jpg
http://s020.radikal.ru/i723/1512/48/7eb3bde2950d.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i400/1512/34/6e90376181ed.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1512/80/89642f220653.jpg
http://s58.radikal.ru/i162/1512/d8/292e77960f79.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i410/1512/43/f8ee78bc7f2f.jpg

chary

lol? I would hope we can keep refines/shards from that.​​

catgirldesu

Is there even a point to upgrade to PWCN R9rr? Won't it break the set when we get the G17 weapons anyway? ​​

shade13

rieihdius wrote: »

I already have saved almost all the coin for what i think is the price of the last stage forge (160 mill if im not wrong)

Do you realise it's only a crafting fee? From what I know, first grade of weap costs like 1,5bil in China atm if you buy all mats. It's with +30 attack lvls. Next recast requires x4 more mats... and there are 4 recasts in total. Damn, you are either too optimistic about prices or really rich to equip your 1-2 alts in gear like that xD
Of couse prices will drop in time, but amount of coins you need for that still looks formidable.

lol? I would hope we can keep refines/shards from that.

Would anyone really recast his pwi r9r in to cn r9r? Ours is better. A bit less defensive but way more offensive.​​

catgirldesu

Eh, like with everything that gets added to the game, I'm sure it will be crazy expensive to obtain and upgrade the weapons at the beginning. Not to mention the costs for maintaining and upgrading the house. They will probably gradually become cheaper to get or there will be new ways to obtain the materials we need. Plus, I doubt PWE would lose a chance to make money. I expect to see something in the boutique.

But the question is, how long will it take to obtain a G17 weapon of a grade that surpasses R9rr, how much will it cost, and how fast will PWE make it cheaper to get? On one hand, I want it to take a long time and be expensive so that the game won't be flooded with OP weapons. On the other hand, it would be annoying knowing we have to farm for so long. I don't have the patience I used to have in this game.

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rieihdius

shade13 said:

rieihdius wrote: »

I already have saved almost all the coin for what i think is the price of the last stage forge (160 mill if im not wrong)

Do you realise it's only a crafting fee? From what I know, first grade of weap costs like 1,5bil in China atm if you buy all mats. It's with +30 attack lvls. Next recast requires x4 more mats... and there are 4 recasts in total. Damn, you are either too optimistic about prices or really rich to equip your 1-2 alts in gear like that xD

Of couse prices will drop in time, but amount of coins you need for that still looks formidable.

Yeah, I know is only for crafting fee, but Im thinking on farming the mats for my main, not buying.
My main is a rrr9 veno +10 gear, +11 weapon, while she is not trully end game, there is not so many things that I want to get for her and since I farm and merch a lot of mats and gear I think it would even be posible to get a few billions in a couple of months.
About the alts is not really something that I will focus since the begining but eventually may try to farm some mats for them.

shade13

catgirldesu wrote: »

Plus, I doubt PWE would lose a chance to make money. I expect to see something in the boutique.

A lot of time has passed and I'm still waiting for cheap nuema portal set given to everyone
This weap is +/- like warsoul, I don't see many alts running around with warsouls Well, ok, I can't wait to see them running around with those weaps xD
If 2nd recast is really 1,5bil atm, final grade might cost around 12bil. Give it a time and it may drop down to let's say 5-7bil. It's my verrrrrrry approximate and not accurate estimation, but it would sound fair.
Not expecting flood of them shortly after update, but it's inevitable in the future. Unlike cards, those mats are 100% obtainable ​​