Upcoming G17/R5 weapon release in PW-CN Discussion

asterelle

catgirldesu wrote: »

Is there even a point to upgrade to PWCN R9rr? Won't it break the set when we get the G17 weapons anyway?

The PWCN R9rr does not include the weapon but it does include the ring. Overall the stats are pretty similar to what we already have so I'd call it more of a side-grade than an upgrade. The main difference is that the belt is refineable and contains soulforce but instead of +100 stat set bonus you get -.05int or -6%chan. Also the boots and wrists contain an interesting "+300% max MP" at least on PWDB, I'll confirm this in game later along with chienkun costs.​​

shade13

asterelle wrote: »

Also the boots and wrists contain an interesting "+300% max MP" at least on PWDB, I'll confirm this in game later along with chienkun costs.[/color]

It's a typo there, not 300% MP, but 300 hp or something like that.​​

catgirldesu

Hmm, I see. Thanks for the answer. Well, I guess we wait and see. ​​

jabq

asterelle wrote: »

Overall the stats are pretty similar to what we already have so I'd call it more of a side-grade than an upgrade.

Does that mean if we switch, the bm r999 chest is the one with -int? We can use r999 armour to be 5aps for pve?​​

asterelle

The chienkun cost multiple is 0.9 for the weapon and 0.5 for the armor. If you have sharded +12 that's 1355 chienkun for the weapon, 873 per armor, 500 for the ring, 5347 total, 2406 gold on sale? I don't see a point in bothering with a sidegrade with costs like that.​​

testxvi

I wonder how expensive it is without chienkun
I'm thinking maybe doing daggers on my assassin would be worth it, she aren't max refined anyway and only running around with daggers, no armor. Though I would rather want G17 daggers for her of course.. But she's just an alt..​​

freygin

Will there be g17 armors as well ? with archers that can GoF, magic classes that can zerk, sooner or later we'll need better armors to tank damage from g17 weapons too, or the state of the game will be like back in the days where Rank8 weapon is god.

heerohex#3018

asterelle wrote: »

The chienkun cost multiple is 0.9 for the weapon and 0.5 for the armor. If you have sharded +12 that's 1355 chienkun for the weapon, 873 per armor, 500 for the ring, 5347 total, 2406 gold on sale? I don't see a point in bothering with a sidegrade with costs like that.

now glad im so far behind with gears and refines and gems....​​

krizalidedu3

Hello all. I'm an archer in the Tideswell server. I'm not really the casher kind of player, and I was really planning on farming my way to the r9 gear (I know it would take forever, but I play for fun and never wanted to be the best lol).
So, I've been sneaking peeks on the forum for a couple of weeks and I have always seen people complain about how archers are weak nowadays. Despite all that, I still wanted to play as an archer because I find it fun, but I really don't want to be a total cone in pvp, just standing there with my pseudo damage. So first in the discussion: Are REALLY (I mean really) archers completely (I mean completely) useless in therms of damage in PVP?

Second part of the discussion: I've seen in the forum some discussions about the upcoming G17 (It has been released in pwcn already, hasn't it?). Do you guys (THAT ARE OLD PLAYERS HERE IN PWI) think that it will be somehow cheaper than the R999 gear? I've played perfect world for, like, six years, but not in pwi. So I kinda dunno how prices work here. I wanted to know that because I'll go after my weapon.

Sorry about the long post, wish I had a potato picture.

kittyempressa

Well, if you can farm the mats, g17r5 should be a lot cheaper than r9rr. The initial crafting fees are 320mils total and rerolls cost a couple mils ea. But getting the mats might be a tedious process if Kitty's understood anything about how it's farmed.

If Kitty's understood correctly, the tradeable versions of materials are quite difficult to farm and they can be used for tradeable g17-weapons and that will make those mats very costy to buy at first.​​

chary

Don't play archer unless you can invest a ton into it.​​

darkonome

Hey, it's generally known and accepted that archers are the weakest class in the game at the moment. I think the biggest reason for it is the lack of GoF, every other physical class has GoF which gives them a damage spike option, as other magic classes have decent debuffs/amps/negations to work with, which is especially important in 1v1s to set up a good charm bypass or have the ability to acheive one.

I think in TWs and mass pvp they still do pretty well due to long range aoe purging BoAs and if you are geared good enough you will do damage that is considered relevant. The 'good enough' threshold is like r9rr+12 wep with AEU/WS card set, which is pretty high but has to be for archers whereas other classes can get by with much lower.

If the G17 weapon does come out and we get bows with GoF on them as expected it will do a fair bit to make the class a lot more viable in 1v1s and in pvp generally. Metal GoFs will be especially nice. The only other thing I'd campaign for is no chi cost on aim low, and that would 'fix' archers really well, but that's unlikely to happen.

krizalidedu3

The thing is, I really like playing archer. I've been playing with this class pretty much my whole perfect world time, but so far i'm very frustrated. I know there is a HUGE gap between T3 gear and R999, but in NW i crit 200 damage (no typo, I do crit two hundred) and get one shot by 50k.
My plans have never been becoming OP. I wanted to get R9 (not +12) so that I would actually poke people in pvp (being able to hit at least around 4k damage), but I really don't know if that's possible without spending thousands of dollars.
My objective was pretty much this. Doing "some" damage. I don't want to solo OP people... I don't dream about that. I just don't want to be a mosquito bite anymore. And I don't want to get one shot by the trees in NW. I'd be happy with two or three hits without GoF (LOL).

But then, I'm planning on creating a SB. I wanted to know about it's damage in T3 and then R9. Wanted to know if, being in that t3-r9 gap, if I can deal more than two hundred damage to R9 people(like my archer does)

asterelle

G17r5 is likely to be prohibitively expensive for a while. One of the red mats comes only as a 1% drop off the new instance'd final boss and as the final prize in the weekly pvp tournament. If you assume that around 1000 people will run the new instance each day per server and you buy up all the drops from the entire server and you buy the weekly tourney prize it would still take you about 1 month to get enough of that one red mat.

There's a chance they will dumb it down for PWI but I doubt it since r8rr came here unchanged.​​

freygin

What are the stats for G17r1 ? Is it better than R8rr or even Warsoul weapon ?

What is 'weekly pvp tournament' gonna be like ? Is it mass pvp or what ?

jsxshadow

I dont mind having the new G17r5 even with 2 procs on it. Because the basic dmg won't be significantly higher compared to our current weapons and you can still outplay ppl easily if you are more skilled, even if they have a significantly better weapon. The only problem is the defensive way of those weapons. No matter what they do, they shouldnt give the option to get 80 def lvl weapons. That is gamebreaking. Good for Duskblades, BMs and Seeker that can disarm people...but all other classes...well it would completely destroy 1on1s, there would be absolutely no point in doing them anymore and thus would lead into my departure. I can equal out dmg overload...but I can certainly not get past 80 def lvl + a defensive proc.

Besides that, I hope that the weekly tourny is going to be a 1on1 tourny with implemented purge, so that you can only use your own buffs, preferably with an apo prohibition that would be awesome

unbarb

If only we could get an answer from Devs/GMs about G17/Housing system... Are we getting those in our PWI?

standoffishman

krizalidedu3 said:

The thing is, I really like playing archer. I've been playing with this class pretty much my whole perfect world time, but so far i'm very frustrated. I know there is a HUGE gap between T3 gear and R999, but in NW i crit 200 damage (no typo, I do crit two hundred) and get one shot by 50k.

My plans have never been becoming OP. I wanted to get R9 (not +12) so that I would actually poke people in pvp (being able to hit at least around 4k damage), but I really don't know if that's possible without spending thousands of dollars.

My objective was pretty much this. Doing "some" damage. I don't want to solo OP people... I don't dream about that. I just don't want to be a mosquito bite anymore. And I don't want to get one shot by the trees in NW. I'd be happy with two or three hits without GoF (LOL).



But then, I'm planning on creating a SB. I wanted to know about it's damage in T3 and then R9. Wanted to know if, being in that t3-r9 gap, if I can deal more than two hundred damage to R9 people(like my archer does)

This is getting a little off topic but I wanted to clear some stuff up for you. First of all the gap from nv3 to r9rr isn't the problem here. Actually outside of weapon procs the gap isn't all that massive at the same refines. Stuff like that is normally more to do with refines and spirit. People without R9 mostly never refine over +7, almost always have random war avatar cards and have a much lower average boundary level. For that reason people sometimes blame it all on r9rr. Note it's not a small upgrade at something like 30-40% more damage and a bit less damage taken even before looking at procs. However the massive number gaps you're looking at are normally down to mostly spirit, refines, primal passives and gems.

Moving on to archers.The big problem with archers and dealing damage is they are slow as hell. The actual amounts they hit for would be considered quite good by phys classes for the most part. Unfortunately the cast/channel times on their skills tend to be much longer. I actually think they are fair to compare to sage venos in many ways right now. They are primarily a support class however if they out gear the opponent sufficiently they can still solo people down. There are some odd things you can do that make them more damage focused but you'll be shooting anybody who's side you're on in the foot and they only kinda sorta work.

Sbs are good, but I also wouldn't judge your archer as being representative of the class if it has under 1000 spirit buffed and you don't have a majority of your primal passives. That isn't to say it's a good class, just that your class isn't the problem right now.

owlgirl

Back to G17 necklaces. There are two necklaces and two belts. Check it on pwdb.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48694 neck phys. def
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48695 neck mag. def

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48696 belt phys. def
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48697 belt mag. def

freygin

owlgirl said:

Back to G17 necklaces. There are two necklaces and two belts. Check it on pwdb.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48694 neck phys. def
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48695 neck mag. def

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48696 belt phys. def
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48697 belt mag. def

PW CN's R9rr belt is part of the set and costs like $1000 where I play, $850 for the ring, armor sets cost like $1850, while the weapon alone is around $4000.

Are they going to make R9 obsolete with future updates ? PW is so fudged up, everything costs money and time, a whole lot of it, and they just release better things as they see fit to make more money, the pattern keeps going on like that.

Without r9rr belt, the PW CN R9rr version set will lose 25 atk level. I wonder what's next, g17 armors coming from packs too ? They might as well open casino online instead of this.

standoffishman

freygin said:

owlgirl said:

Back to G17 necklaces. There are two necklaces and two belts. Check it on pwdb.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48694 neck phys. def
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48695 neck mag. def

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48696 belt phys. def
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/48697 belt mag. def

PW CN's R9rr belt is part of the set and costs like $1000 where I play, $850 for the ring, armor sets cost like $1850, while the weapon alone is around $4000.

Are they going to make R9 obsolete with future updates ? PW is so fudged up, everything costs money and time, a whole lot of it, and they just release better things as they see fit to make more money, the pattern keeps going on like that.

Without r9rr belt, the PW CN R9rr version set will lose 25 atk level. I wonder what's next, g17 armors coming from packs too ? They might as well open casino online instead of this.

You understand that releasing new gear into the gear treadmill is a core concept of an mmorpg right? Really doesn't work without it as they constantly need new things to consume peoples time and money. If they didn't do this the game would grow stale too quickly and fail to take enough of peoples time. Yes wasting your time is a good thing for a f2p mmo if you don't quit over it. It gets you more invested, forms habits and helps justify purchases. If you dislike old stuff becoming outdated you should seriously not play an mmorpg because it's universal and happens in every single one. Some more than others but frankly the power creep on core gear slots is actually super slow compared to most.

baal1313

Is ther a G16 or G17 upgrade for my ☆☆☆Penumbra: Purified Sanctuary for some reason when i upgraded it from g15 it stayed g15 and i was raly hopeing that one of you that knows all this stuff could help me and that g17 glave looks like an eye-sore is ther a way i can use my ☆☆☆Penumbra: Purified Sanctuary to cover it up at-least . asking nicely to help g16 and g17 real PVE gears Thank you and Blessings ~Shen TI server (Demon DD/Suport)

shopcheese

@baal1313 if you dislike the g17 glaive there is also the magic sword or pataka, maybe one of those are better for your taste? I think it was mentioned that they aren't class specific except wand is limited to mystic.
If none looks good to you then you'll have to cover it up with some of the time limited weapon fashion.

xskysoldier

This might be a little off topic, but i heard from my friend who plays Pwcn and reads the Chinese forums. He says that we are going to get China's R9 gear? Like..come on, first these G17 weapons are coming, and now new armor? I don't understand why Pwe would allow these gears to come into our servers in the first place. But then again, this game has been slowly dying ever since they stopped caring about it for awhile. Now with these weapons and armors coming, they are speeding up the process of killing this game for good. That's just my opinion on all of this.

sylenthunder

xskysoldier wrote: »

This might be a little off topic, but i heard from my friend who plays Pwcn and reads the Chinese forums. He says that we are going to get China's R9 gear? Like..come on, first these G17 weapons are coming, and now new armor? I don't understand why Pwe would allow these gears to come into our servers in the first place. But then again, this game has been slowly dying ever since they stopped caring about it for awhile. Now with these weapons and armors coming, they are speeding up the process of killing this game for good. That's just my opinion on all of this.

Your "friend" is full of it. There is no way that they would know what the plans are regarding our version.

Unless, that is, if your friend is a developer, or in management at Wanmei. If they aren't, then call bull****.​​

dingo488

Man, I really dont like the fact you need to farm one of the items in the weekly PvP tournament, especially because we have someone on the server thats been known to cheat in the tournament to get all players of his faction placed in the same room together.

Lets hope thats not going to be an actual problem

xskysoldier

Lol, in my server people think that after g17 weps come, we're gonna get r10 next year xD

sylenthunder

xskysoldier wrote: »

Lol, in my server people think that after g17 weps come, we're gonna get r10 next year xD

That's funny. Especially considering that there isn't any R10 even in China, and that we don't even know if we'll ever get housing and/or G17 yet here.​​

jabq

sylenthunder wrote: »

That's funny. Especially considering that there isn't any R10 even in China, and that we don't even know if we'll ever get housing and/or G17 yet here.

Happy thoughts sylen, happy thoughts.​​

tictic99999

sylenthunder wrote: »

xskysoldier wrote: »

Lol, in my server people think that after g17 weps come, we're gonna get r10 next year xD

That's funny. Especially considering that there isn't any R10 even in China, and that we don't even know if we'll ever get housing and/or G17 yet here.

to me, at least from what i've read we most definately are getting the G17 + housing. Also, there is no G17 or housing. It is either both or none since they created the content in a way that the 2 are completely bound to each (you need the housing system to get G17). Furthermore they even made lots of instances and everything just for the new weps. Anytime wanmei has ever put a decent amount of effort into something (and for this they put alot) we always get it.
When is a different question however.

As per r10, that not happening. r9 4th cast is about 5x more likely than r10 ever happening. Furthermore, unless they want this game to disappear overnight, if new gear ever did come out, they would have to make the transfer of refines + gems essentially free. However, as seemingly stupid that Wanmei is, especially when it comes to versions of the game that aren't their's, they at least have realized this for a long time. Hence why after r9 3rd we haven't seen any upgrade path in that direction. Instead, they made:
6 new end game rings
nw cast neck
4 end game helms
2 end game capes
2 upgrades to end game tomes + more ways to get to the end game tome
3 completely new systems with their own content ingame (meridian, star, cards)
Sockets for neck + belt and their own line of gems
Engraves for helm, belt, cape
Spurs.....
and the list goes on. Its obvious they are doing everything they possibly can EXPECT for direct new/upgraded gear.
Next on this giant list shall be weapons. Why? In our version it actually makes more sense than china version because our r9 wep isn't part of a r9 gear set. Also, even for china version, the power-up to a G17 wep from r9 with set bonus is worth it.​​