Upcoming G17/R5 weapon release in PW-CN Discussion

rmw510

if this stuff comes out i can say 1 thing for sure im done playing new gear=new refines

rmw510

gayyyy

standoffishman

tictic99999 said:

sylenthunder wrote: »

xskysoldier wrote: »

Lol, in my server people think that after g17 weps come, we're gonna get r10 next year xD

to me, at least from what i've read we most definately are getting the G17 + housing. Also, there is no G17 or housing. It is either both or none since they created the content in a way that the 2 are completely bound to each (you need the housing system to get G17). Furthermore they even made lots of instances and everything just for the new weps. Anytime wanmei has ever put a decent amount of effort into something (and for this they put alot) we always get it.

When is a different question however.



As per r10, that not happening. r9 4th cast is about 5x more likely than r10 ever happening. Furthermore, unless they want this game to disappear overnight, if new gear ever did come out, they would have to make the transfer of refines + gems essentially free. However, as seemingly stupid that Wanmei is, especially when it comes to versions of the game that aren't their's, they at least have realized this for a long time. Hence why after r9 3rd we haven't seen any upgrade path in that direction. Instead, they made:

6 new end game rings

nw cast neck

4 end game helms

2 end game capes

2 upgrades to end game tomes + more ways to get to the end game tome

3 completely new systems with their own content ingame (meridian, star, cards)

Sockets for neck + belt and their own line of gems

Engraves for helm, belt, cape

Spurs.....

and the list goes on. Its obvious they are doing everything they possibly can EXPECT for direct new/upgraded gear.

Next on this giant list shall be weapons. Why? In our version it actually makes more sense than china version because our r9 wep isn't part of a r9 gear set. Also, even for china version, the power-up to a G17 wep from r9 with set bonus is worth it.​​

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As other people have already said the weapon isn't part of the set on CN, the ring is.

Outside of that yes they do keep adding other side stuff so they don't have to make existing stuff obsolete while still giving people stuff to upgrade or buy. Unfortunately that has the negative side effect of raising the gear cap massively. You can do that a bit but I think they are already at the limit of introducing new systems like star charts or war avatars that have a very high gear cap and compound with everything else. Right now even players with 1700+ base spirit, full +12, full deity or josd and have spent five figures on the game STILL get completely wrecked by people with rb portal sets and crazy star charts.

That's the situation right now. They add another couple of systems comparable to war avatars and star charts and suddenly massive spenders are hitting double the spirit of players who are actually in end game gear that is generally considered quite good. That players that's spent $10,000 might as well be in nv3 in that match up and they will lose even a 3v1.

You may think that doesn't matter but near as I can tell pvp players who spend a lot of money but not $50,000+ are actually where pwe makes most of it's money. Mainly because there are only a very tiny number of people who spend that much money on each server but there are quite a few people on each server spending $4000-$15,000 which adds up extremely quickly.

attackerv

asterelle said:

G17r5 is likely to be prohibitively expensive for a while. One of the red mats comes only as a 1% drop off the new instance'd final boss and as the final prize in the weekly pvp tournament. If you assume that around 1000 people will run the new instance each day per server and you buy up all the drops from the entire server and you buy the weekly tourney prize it would still take you about 1 month to get enough of that one red mat.



There's a chance they will dumb it down for PWI but I doubt it since r8rr came here unchanged.​​

Exactly!!!!!

So far, some ppl just reach 2nd stage G17 in pwcn by over 2 month.

and price is very expansive and similar to G16 in pwcn. I can't imagine how expansive will be here for G17R5.

G17R3 and G17R4 are still very good to pwcn players because just a few players have R9RR.

however, to pwi pvp players, R9RR is very common and no sense to us until reach G17R5. we won't enjoy the G17 upgrading processing from R1-R4. until pwcn decide let pwi G17R5 easier to get, like put the stuff in BQ and sell cheaper like R9, but i guest they won't, considering they didn't make it happen since R9. card and star chart is very expansive in pwi indeed.

G17R5 is diffcult to reach like Portal nuema set or 10 useful-stats star chart, just forget it. They exist but not for most of us in current 1-2 years until they give more chances to get the stuff. They always do but not within 1-2 year, when they do, new gears will appear.

Therefore, the most importance factor in next expansion is new skills, which we can get them by housing system quest. we don't need to put our attention to G17 weapon.

we should get this expansion since they have developed them. the cost of developing is far more expansive than server cost, no reason they don't put them here to sell their code.

Keep in mind, there will be some stuff of housing system to sell in BQ . if u want level ur housing system quickly and higher lvl, u have to buy them in BQ. Like each expansions, there are always new CS stuff on BQ for CSers. last time, they are star chart stuff. If no new stuff to sell, those CSer of endgame will spend less and less.

if the company decide to stop update pwi, that might mean pwi CSers is too less and few ppl spend money on it. if so, we are just ready to shut down our servers.

cornflakes2014

attackerv said:

asterelle said:

G17r5 is likely to be prohibitively expensive for a while. One of the red mats comes only as a 1% drop off the new instance'd final boss and as the final prize in the weekly pvp tournament. If you assume that around 1000 people will run the new instance each day per server and you buy up all the drops from the entire server and you buy the weekly tourney prize it would still take you about 1 month to get enough of that one red mat.



There's a chance they will dumb it down for PWI but I doubt it since r8rr came here unchanged.​​

Exactly!!!!!

So far, some ppl just reach 2nd stage G17 in pwcn by over 2 month.

and price is very expansive and similar to G16 in pwcn. I can't imagine how expansive will be here for G17R5.

By 2nd stage G17, I'm guessing you mean G17R2?

So you're saying G17R2 takes over 2 months to get and that it's very expensive? When you say it's similar to G16, are you saying G17R2 is similar to G16 in cost, power, or both?

attackerv

cornflakes2014 said:

attackerv said:

asterelle said:

G17r5 is likely to be prohibitively expensive for a while. One of the red mats comes only as a 1% drop off the new instance'd final boss and as the final prize in the weekly pvp tournament. If you assume that around 1000 people will run the new instance each day per server and you buy up all the drops from the entire server and you buy the weekly tourney prize it would still take you about 1 month to get enough of that one red mat.



There's a chance they will dumb it down for PWI but I doubt it since r8rr came here unchanged.​​

Exactly!!!!!

So far, some ppl just reach 2nd stage G17 in pwcn by over 2 month.

and price is very expansive and similar to G16 in pwcn. I can't imagine how expansive will be here for G17R5.

By 2nd stage G17, I'm guessing you mean G17R2?

So you're saying G17R2 takes over 2 months to get and that it's very expensive? When you say it's similar to G16, are you saying G17R2 is similar to G16 in cost, power, or both?

Yes. That is what I learn from pwcn forum. i didn't see ppl showing their G17R3 so far.
G16 mean warsoul weapon. G17R2 stat is weaker than warsoul weapon but similar cost in pwcn

all i want to say is the G17 weapon upgrade is very very hard. Until reach G17R5, G17 weapon is no sense to pwi pvp players cuz we already have a cheap R9RR weapon.

standoffishman

attackerv said:

cornflakes2014 said:

attackerv said:

asterelle said:

G17r5 is likely to be prohibitively expensive for a while. One of the red mats comes only as a 1% drop off the new instance'd final boss and as the final prize in the weekly pvp tournament. If you assume that around 1000 people will run the new instance each day per server and you buy up all the drops from the entire server and you buy the weekly tourney prize it would still take you about 1 month to get enough of that one red mat.



There's a chance they will dumb it down for PWI but I doubt it since r8rr came here unchanged.​​

Exactly!!!!!

So far, some ppl just reach 2nd stage G17 in pwcn by over 2 month.

and price is very expansive and similar to G16 in pwcn. I can't imagine how expansive will be here for G17R5.

By 2nd stage G17, I'm guessing you mean G17R2?

So you're saying G17R2 takes over 2 months to get and that it's very expensive? When you say it's similar to G16, are you saying G17R2 is similar to G16 in cost, power, or both?

Yes. That is what I learn from pwcn forum. i didn't see ppl showing their G17R3 so far.
G16 mean warsoul weapon. G17R2 stat is weaker than warsoul weapon but similar cost in pwcn

all i want to say is the G17 weapon upgrade is very very hard. Until reach G17R5, G17 weapon is no sense to pwi pvp players cuz we already have a cheap R9RR weapon.

Interesting, just to clear a few things up do you mean warsoul, advanced warsoul or that new ever so slight upgrade over advanced warsoul they have? Is warsoul more expensive there? I would expect it to be rarer for average revenue reasons but how much actually is base r9 over there in usd? I seem to recall it being higher but not crazily so.

Am I correct in thinking the last 3 mats not the first 3 are are insanely expensive still? If r2 is 600m then the first 3 mat cost for r5 is 10b, which is high but people would have that in well under 2 months here.

freygin

G17R1 weapon for cleric : http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50149
the addons are :
-Max Matk +130
-Mag+14~15
- Critical Rate +4%

Required Mats to create :
- 凌云碑残玦 (10) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50245
- 2m coins


G17 R2 weapon for cleric : http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50150
-Max Matk +142
-Channeling -6%
-Mag+16~17
-Atk level +30

Required Mats to upgrade from G17R1 :
- 九霄·血灵石 (400) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50246
- 九霄·金瓴铁 (240) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50252
- 九霄·碧穹玉 (120) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50258
- 20m coins


G17 R3 weapon for cleric : http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50151
-Matk +77
-Max Matk +154
-Mag +18~19
-Atk level +40
- random addon that can be rerolled (cmiiw)

Required Mats to upgrade from G17R2 :
- 九霄·血灵石 (1600) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50246
- 九霄·金瓴铁 (960) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50252
- 九霄·碧穹玉 (200) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50258
- 凌墟·渎神木 (70) http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50260
- 50m coins


If G17R2 takes over 2 months to get with 400 240 120 number of mats, then 1600 960 200 70 number of mats for G3 would be like 4 times or over 8 months ?? After that G17R4 needs 1800 1080 333 108 number of mats + another 25 different mat from g3 and 90m coins, maybe another 11 months. Then G17R5 needs 2200 1320 392 122 36 and another 13 new different mat from g4, maybe another 13 months, judging by the numbers.

Guesstimated time to farm them all to G17R5 would take like 34 months or 2 years and 10 months. >_<"

G17R2 is on par with R8.3, while G17R3 doesn't come close to Warsoul weapons, G17R4 is on par with R9.3. Imagine there is a five storeys building, most people are already on the 4th floor using an elevator, but to get to the 5th floor, they have to go down to the basement first and climb the stairs to the 5th floor.

I wonder if the mats are tradeable or not, or are they like r8.3 mats that are bound, but can be unbound using boutique items, I won't be surprised if it'll be made that way, it will print money for a long time until they come up with new ideas.

rieihdius

freygin said:

I wonder if the mats are tradeable or not, or are they like r8.3 mats that are bound, but can be unbound using boutique items, I won't be surprised if it'll be made that way, it will print money for a long time until they come up with new ideas.

From what I learned from asterelle some of the drops are like fsp ones :

asterelle said:

Yeah the drops are tradeable as are the versions you make from the pvp tourney. You can also make tradeable mats with the housing quests but the cost is 4 times higher than making untradeable (similar to how making stuff from tradeable FSP coins is twice as expensive). The instance daily and the cheap recipe from housing quests are the only sources for the untradeable versions. You have to convert the tradeable versions to untradeable before you make any weapon.



When looking in the db all the versions of the mats that look blue are tradeable while the normal colored versions are untradeable.​​

source: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi/#/discussion/1203618/upcoming-g17-r5-weapon-release-in-pw-cn-discussion/p10

kittyempressa

Kitty made a funny note while searching thru China-database: all G17r4 melee-weapons have -0.1 interval. Including saber and blade.

APS duskblades and seekers GO GO!​​

asterelle

So I was able to see the prices of the first three mats in cat shops on PWCN. Based on those prices, the timing, and the apparent relative difficulty in acquiring the other gold / red mats these are my current estimates for buying or straight farming this stuff.

G17r1 = 3 days + 20m
G17r2 = 1 billion coins or 2 month farming
G17r3 = 6 billion or 6 months of farming
G17r4 = 15 billion or 1.5 years of farming
G17r5 = 25 billion or 3 years of farming

So it doesn't look quite as expensive as getting Nuema Portal but it is certainly up there. Plan accordingly​​

freygin

5 years 2 months and 3 days of farming =.= might as well buy a real farm, plant potatoes, tomatoes, vegetables, breed cows, chicken and pigs.

5 years 2 months and 3 days later...sell the farm, buy all those mats and retire from a farmer to be a god. lol

by the way, about the housing system, is there a specific thread that covers some things that we need to know about ?

standoffishman

asterelle said:

So I was able to see the prices of the first three mats in cat shops on PWCN. Based on those prices, the timing, and the apparent relative difficulty in acquiring the other gold / red mats these are my current estimates for buying or straight farming this stuff.



G17r1 = 3 days + 20m

G17r2 = 1 billion coins or 2 month farming

G17r3 = 6 billion or 6 months of farming

G17r3 = 15 billion or 1.5 years of farming

G17r3 = 25 billion or 3 years of farming



So it doesn't look quite as expensive as getting Nuema Portal but it is certainly up there. Plan accordingly​​

Interesting, thanks for looking into it.

Roughly how many hours of farming does this assume per day? I ask as currently this is placing the amount of coin income obtained by selling the mats at some very high numbers even after factoring in the 4:1 conversion rate. I also really hope you can't multi-box any of this stuff effectively or spam through parts on alts very quickly. If you can then I know a few people set to make 2-3 billion coins a week till those prices drop.

asterelle

Ohh those figures were cumulative costs, not upgrade costs. The farming is doing the new instance and housing quests everyday as well as the weekly pvp instance. It could be off but that's my best guess atm. Id bet PWE puts at least some of the mats in the boutique.​​

standoffishman

asterelle said:

Ohh those figures were cumulative costs, not upgrade costs. The farming is doing the new instance and housing quests everyday as well as the weekly pvp instance. It could be off but that's my best guess atm. Id bet PWE puts at least some of the mats in the boutique.​​

Hmmm fair enough. Still 50m a week or so per character if they hold that high. I suspect we'll get something like 1/4 to 2/3s of those costs in practice if the farm times are correct depending on what pwe does with the cash shop. Or way less if farming it is a joke due to the CS prices like with r9.

Having said all that I'd actually expect us to have higher prices than CN with all things being equal as 12 USD worth of gold from dailies per charter on a CN game is crazy high to the point it would make living very easily. Good to have some ballparks though that's for sure.


On a side note with regards to your portal comment that almost makes it seem not worthwhile. Near as I can tell portal + r9rr wrecks g17r5 with rb2 CF outside of the lack of 2nd proc. If the weapon really costs 25b on our servers it may make more sense to completely disregard it. Yeah portal costs more to straight up buy but rb2 CF costs more than +12 r9rr weps and it's normally not really the 50b ish it is on paper due to promos and such helping out.

scruncy

I am just curiuos, if you write for example: 1billions coins or 2 month farming.
What does this mean? You can buy the mays from a npc for 1billion coins?
Where you get this coin amount from?

dblazen1

asterelle wrote: »

So I was able to see the prices of the first three mats in cat shops on PWCN. Based on those prices, the timing, and the apparent relative difficulty in acquiring the other gold / red mats these are my current estimates for buying or straight farming this stuff.

G17r1 = 3 days + 20m
G17r2 = 1 billion coins or 2 month farming
G17r3 = 6 billion or 6 months of farming
G17r3 = 15 billion or 1.5 years of farming
G17r3 = 25 billion or 3 years of farming

So it doesn't look quite as expensive as getting Nuema Portal but it is certainly up there. Plan accordingly

PWCN server prices =/= PWI server prices.
I get that they are estimates, but really, until it actually gets here (if ever) we can't tell. I wouldn't be surprised if they squeeze it into cashshop because it's a perfect next cashcow​​

standoffishman

dblazen1 said:

asterelle wrote: »

So I was able to see the prices of the first three mats in cat shops on PWCN. Based on those prices, the timing, and the apparent relative difficulty in acquiring the other gold / red mats these are my current estimates for buying or straight farming this stuff.



G17r1 = 3 days + 20m

G17r2 = 1 billion coins or 2 month farming

G17r3 = 6 billion or 6 months of farming

G17r3 = 15 billion or 1.5 years of farming

G17r3 = 25 billion or 3 years of farming



So it doesn't look quite as expensive as getting Nuema Portal but it is certainly up there. Plan accordingly

PWCN server prices =/= PWI server prices.

I get that they are estimates, but really, until it actually gets here (if ever) we can't tell. I wouldn't be surprised if they squeeze it into cashshop because it's a perfect next cashcow​​

I do agree that we aren't necessarily likely to see the same or even similar prices. Still I do think the information they provided is genuinely useful. I've seen a strange number of people claim it will be sub 2b and a couple of months farming for r5. We may wind up having very different prices but it's unlikely to be by a factor of 10 unless they put it in the cash shop for sub $400 off sale.


On a side note asterelle the last 3 entries being r3 is a typo and it's supposed to go r3, r4, r5 correct?

scruncy

Maybe people dont really understand my question. I dont care the actual amount 2or3or4 billion.
I wanna know what is it for?
Is it crafting fee? Can I buy mats for this 2b(or any other amount)?
If you write 2b OR 2 month faming, does it mean i can buy the mats at a npc?
Or is it 2b AND 2month farming?
I dont really get for what you have to pay.

dblazen1

scruncy wrote: »

Maybe people dont really understand my question. I dont care the actual amount 2or3or4 billion.
I wanna know what is it for?
Is it crafting fee? Can I buy mats for this 2b(or any other amount)?
If you write 2b OR 2 month faming, does it mean i can buy the mats at a npc?
Or is it 2b AND 2month farming?
I dont really get for what you have to pay.

Why don't you read what is being said then?
It's pretty clearly written;

asterelle wrote:

So I was able to see the prices of the first three mats in cat shops on PWCN. Based on those prices, the timing, and the apparent relative difficulty in acquiring the other gold / red mats these are my current estimates for buying or straight farming this stuff.

G17r1 = 3 days + 20m
G17r2 = 1 billion coins or 2 month farming
G17r3 = 6 billion or 6 months of farming
G17r4* = 15 billion or 1.5 years of farming
G17r5** = 25 billion or 3 years of farming

* fixed to r4
** fixed to r5

The price is an indication of what it costs currently on the chinese servers when you straight up buy all materials without farming.
G17r1 is 3 days of farming and 20m crafting fee.
I don't know if he included crafting fee prices for the other stages or not, but they are just a fraction of the price if so anyway.

The time is the time it would +/- take on average when you purely farm it.

standoffishman wrote: »

I do agree that we aren't necessarily likely to see the same or even similar prices. Still I do think the information they provided is genuinely useful. I've seen a strange number of people claim it will be sub 2b and a couple of months farming for r5. We may wind up having very different prices but it's unlikely to be by a factor of 10 unless they put it in the cash shop for sub $400 off sale.


On a side note asterelle the last 3 entries being r3 is a typo and it's supposed to go r3, r4, r5 correct?

People who think it would be that cheap or easy to obtain are delirious. Unless ofcourse PWE cashcow starts mooing because it needs to be milked.​​

scruncy

ok, this is I wanted to know. Your prices coming from how other people sell the mats.
So, its not a coinsink , just another useless moving around coins between players.....

dingo488

asterelle said:

Ohh those figures were cumulative costs, not upgrade costs. The farming is doing the new instance and housing quests everyday as well as the weekly pvp instance. It could be off but that's my best guess atm. Id bet PWE puts at least some of the mats in the boutique.​​

Just for a comparison, how obtainable are the r9 mats in China? Here the whole set of gear is bought straight from the boutique, I havent heard of anyone actually caring about the MoG from TW/9trials or Chips from BH...Is that the same in China?

If not then there's a very high likelyhood that this G17 stuff will all be obtainable straight from the boutique on PWI aswell

tictic99999

the prices in pwi tend to be about 1/5 that of china due currency exchange and other factors, i wouldn't be surprised if the weapon end up costing from 1-5 about 5-10b thats reasonable enough for pwi standards and will attract people to put in the 1-2k. if they make the price too high no one will go for it.​​

dblazen1

tictic99999 wrote: »

the prices in pwi tend to be about 1/5 that of china due currency exchange and other factors, i wouldn't be surprised if the weapon end up costing from 1-5 about 5-10b thats reasonable enough for pwi standards and will attract people to put in the 1-2k. if they make the price too high no one will go for it.

Did you ever say hi to the people who cashed a crapton to get a nuema portal set?
You might want to reconsider ​​

asterelle

Ya that was a small typo with r4 and r5. PWCN prices do match PWI in some places and not in others, the main differences are seen in items that originate from the boutique as the boutique prices are a lot different. I feel like at those prices there will be still be a handful of players rushing to get them and maybe a while later PWE would put the red mats in the boutique for cheaper.

Also keep in mind that if you have this cash on hand you still wouldn't be able to buy the mats without a supply. Like one of the red mats is a 1% drop from the final boss of the new instance but also a few can be made in the pvp instance. That means the entire server will supply around 10 of those mats a week and you need a total of 61 of them. I estimated the price of that mat at 100m but it could be higher first few months.

Also my farming figure isn't pure farming but just the estimated price divided by the estimated value of the mats you can farm per day. You'd likely have to sell the plentiful lower grade mats and buy up the reds/golds.​​

ayejay101

Somewhere back in this thread, there was a conversion from R9r3 to G17.
Which cast of G17 did that R9 make?

or am I dreaming?​​

rieihdius

ayejay101 said:

Somewhere back in this thread, there was a conversion from R9r3 to G17.

Which cast of G17 did that R9 make?



or am I dreaming?​​

Maybe could be this post:

mars19 said:

They also made special for pwi upgrading our r9r3 to chinese r9r3

http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1512/f5/92925e1f75e5.jpg
http://s020.radikal.ru/i723/1512/48/7eb3bde2950d.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i400/1512/34/6e90376181ed.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1512/80/89642f220653.jpg
http://s58.radikal.ru/i162/1512/d8/292e77960f79.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i410/1512/43/f8ee78bc7f2f.jpg

But what he / she is saying is about turning our r9r3 into China's version. Problem is I don't understand Chinese so I can't confirm.

Is on page 10 if im not wrong.

arcangel786

freygin said:

5 years 2 months and 3 days of farming =.= might as well buy a real farm, plant potatoes, tomatoes, vegetables, breed cows, chicken and pigs.

5 years 2 months and 3 days later...sell the farm, buy all those mats and retire from a farmer to be a god. lol

by the way, about the housing system, is there a specific thread that covers some things that we need to know about ?

i LOLed so hard

ayejay101

Ah, oops... too many G17s, my head automatically plugged in G17 over Chinese version of R9.
Well, off to spend 25 billion or so on G17.... + rerolls.... dear god the rerolls...

This would be a daily instance for farming mats, I'm guessing? or similar to other instances that we can go multiple times as long as we pay the fee?​​

rieihdius

if my memory is correct I think on some page of this same thread someone said something about being a limit per day, something like nirvana or 100 QSM But dont quote me on that because I could be totally wrong
Still even if there is no limit... For the what I saw on the video, the instance is way more long and complex than FSP (even JSP)
Is more something like 100 + QSM
So I dont think too many people have patience to be all day farming that.

Edit: Also something that now come to my mind is: If sometimes we see drama on fsp for people grabing books..
I can Imagine the amount of rage we will see on World chat if on some random people squad someone steal the rare drop or something....