Upcoming G17/R5 weapon release in PW-CN Discussion

ayejay101

rieihdius wrote: »

if my memory is correct I think on some page of this same thread someone said something about being a limit per day, something like nirvana or 100 QSM But dont quote me on that because I could be totally wrong
Still even if there is no limit... For the what I saw on the video, the instance is way more long and complex than FSP (even JSP)
Is more something like 100 + QSM
So I dont think too many people have patience to be all day farming that.

Edit: Also something that now come to my mind is: If sometimes we see drama on fsp for people grabing books..
I can Imagine the amount of rage we will see on World chat if on some random people squad someone steal the rare drop or something....

You know what, I'm just going to give this entire thread a good read again...

Also, I guess then it's going to be faction/friend farming or random squad for days.
I saw the video a bit, don't see any reason for a squad to be in free mode.

Personally, if the cost is 3 days + 20m for first cast of the weapon, I'll just stay there and keep it for looks till the market calms down and until someone figures out a magical "cure all" for this.

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attackerv

as asterelle point out, how hard to reach G17R5 actually depend on how many ppl farm the new FB. but the new FB is not FSJ, it is over hour farming FB. Far less ppl will farm it daily. if drop rate is 1%, means 1000 chars farming for 1 mat drop. how many chars can spend over 1hour to farm this FB each day ? I think no more than NW ppl number.

The bad thing is most of pvp players already have r9rr+12 weapon, which means there no big difference until G17R5. this new gear is unlike cards or star chart. At least, we can have some benifits from card or star chart if we spend 1 billons on level or upgrade them. however, Most pwi players won't have any benifits from R17 weapon even they put many many billions or many many months farming on collecting mats and upgrade G17R1-R4, until they finally get R17R5. But at that time, the mats may become cheaper, the most possible way is puting the mats in the pack in the future. Then many coin and time for collecting mats in the early time will be on the vain.

freygin

asterelle said:

Ya that was a small typo with r4 and r5. PWCN prices do match PWI in some places and not in others, the main differences are seen in items that originate from the boutique as the boutique prices are a lot different. I feel like at those prices there will be still be a handful of players rushing to get them and maybe a while later PWE would put the red mats in the boutique for cheaper.



Also keep in mind that if you have this cash on hand you still wouldn't be able to buy the mats without a supply. Like one of the red mats is a 1% drop from the final boss of the new instance but also a few can be made in the pvp instance. That means the entire server will supply around 10 of those mats a week and you need a total of 61 of them. I estimated the price of that mat at 100m but it could be higher first few months.



Also my farming figure isn't pure farming but just the estimated price divided by the estimated value of the mats you can farm per day. You'd likely have to sell the plentiful lower grade mats and buy up the reds/golds.​​

This huge question mark above my head keeps begging for more info about Housing System, PVP event/instance, and the new instance. Is it limited to once per day for the new instance like most of the new content nowadays such as fsp, uch, qsm, etc.

If anyone plays on PW CN server, please use Mel's youtube video and use timestamp to describe what that section of the video is about. Seems like Mel's youtube channel is the only one that has lengthy videos that show a lot about the new contents from PW CN.

rieihdius

Ok guys, for the question about if is daily instance actually the answer is on page 10:

asterelle said:

Hmm that video is helpful...

This appears to be a Nirvana style instance where the you get drops from the bosses but need a key to get in.

This is the key. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50410

You can get 3 for free the first day and 1 daily after that.

Im a bit sleepy so I forgot about it, sorry about that


Dont know how to link a single post from a thread on this forum but is the big post from asterelle on page 10, is very nice info if you guys want to see it.


http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi/#/discussion/1203618/upcoming-g17-r5-weapon-release-in-pw-cn-discussion/p10

jsxshadow

For me personally, I would be more interested in the chinese r9rr that we might get. Is there any new info about it, especially in terms of costs for exchanging our gear for the chinese version (not talking about chienkung costs, just regular exchange costs if there are any)?

Cause lets face it..when g17r5 is really that hard to get then at least the chinese weapons would be a massive upgrade to our weapons when you consider the common rolled stats we get on our weapons. I definitly would take the chinese weapons over any of our weapons with the exception of psys maybe.

freygin

rieihdius said:

Ok guys, for the question about if is daily instance actually the answer is on page 10:

asterelle said:

Hmm that video is helpful...

This appears to be a Nirvana style instance where the you get drops from the bosses but need a key to get in.

This is the key. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50410

You can get 3 for free the first day and 1 daily after that.

Im a bit sleepy so I forgot about it, sorry about that


Dont know how to link a single post from a thread on this forum but is the big post from asterelle on page 10, is very nice info if you guys want to see it.


http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi/#/discussion/1203618/upcoming-g17-r5-weapon-release-in-pw-cn-discussion/p10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUDJcvcDK04

Thanks for pointing that out. Asterelle's info and this video help a lot to know more about the new instance.

I'm still curious about the PVP instance, is it like the warsoul helm contest or something else, I hate pvp instance like that because only people from the strongest guild willl mostly win it. Ppl can't fairly farm from instance like that. On most PvP server, it will always be divided by two strongest groups in the end, and every event with PvP in it is always in favor to the winning group.

attackerv

asterelle said:

So I was able to see the prices of the first three mats in cat shops on PWCN. Based on those prices, the timing, and the apparent relative difficulty in acquiring the other gold / red mats these are my current estimates for buying or straight farming this stuff.



G17r1 = 3 days + 20m

G17r2 = 1 billion coins or 2 month farming

G17r3 = 6 billion or 6 months of farming

G17r4 = 15 billion or 1.5 years of farming

G17r5 = 25 billion or 3 years of farming



So it doesn't look quite as expensive as getting Nuema Portal but it is certainly up there. Plan accordingly​​

according to pwcn ppl feed back, this estimation is basically right. maybe shorter if put some funding to level the housing system.

pwcn farmer already reach G17R3 by about 6 months, no CS but have to run new FB and housing daily everyday. if you level your housing property value over 4050, u can get orange daily from housing system and can get G17R3 by 5 months

for G17R3, the key mat is 70-wood, http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50260

But to pwi pvp r9rr player , spending 2 hours each day on farmming by 6 months and get a useless G17R3, that is sucks.

freygin

How do we level our housing property value over 4050 ?

mulier

id put my money on daily quests:

kinda like mirage and astral sky boundaries, just that its called property value

ayejay101

Is there any more information available on housing?
Biggest question of all is if we're even going to get it...​​

attackerv

freygin said:

How do we level our housing property value over 4050 ?

I can't explain many details by my bad English.

But housing property value is the most importance index. If you want high property value, u need to buy BQ stuff........

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50300

level-6 pack is being sold for 249 golds in pwcn. think about how much level-10 pack

only property value over 3500, you can get yellow quest for this stuff

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50238

then you can make G17R3 key stuff

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50260


Keep in mind, every new expansion, always be with BQ stuff so that ppl can further spend money on game and save their time

I think they won't put G17 mats on BQ directly atm, so you have to level your housing system for G17 mats. Yes, if you want to level your housing fast, you have to buy stuff from BQ.

maybe after 1years, when you already spend money on housing system, then they will put G17 mats on packs, and continue push ppl spend money....................

the G17 FB, even with R9RR+12 gear, basically need about 1 hour (pwcn average is about 2 hours). plus some annoying housing daily quest..

freygin

Thanks for more info on the housing system, do you happen to know about the PVP event / PVP instance ?

genjutsu

do u know how much u have to spend in housing to farm the red mat? http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50239​​

genjutsu

also can u only do the red quest once a day? can you always get it or is it random​​

attackerv

genjutsu said:

do u know how much u have to spend in housing to farm the red mat? http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50239​​

housing property value is over 5400, have low chance to get red quest

when the value is over 7600, 100% red quest.

the post in pwcn forum is here

http://w2i.bbs.wanmei.com/thread-3295974-1-1.html

the quest is daily.

how much to reach so high value?

depend on the price of BQ new item in pwi. I guess hundreds of golds to over thousand gold is necessary at least in pwi

But Even you level your housing system and get the high level daily quest, they are not easy to be finished!!!

some daily items you need to go to new G17 FB and kill boss!!!!!

coin+gold+time consume for housing system!!!!!

freygin

So when the value is over 7600 and 100% red quest, we're guaranteed to get two /day

250 = 1
62 = 1

1 = 1 (this is weird, why would I want to create the yellow one that only needs 62, using the blue one that needs 250, or cmiiw )

The final G17R5 needs 13 , so it's 62 x 13 = 806 , if can be gotten daily 100% for 2 pieces after having the house value over 7600, it'll still take 403 days ??

Is any of the mats with pics above bound item ?

How much coin estimated is needed for maxing the house value ? ...should start saving from now on.

asterelle

The blue stuff is tradeable version like with FSP coins. The version you actually need to make weapons though is untradeable.

@attackerv so if you invest in expensive housing and unlock 100% red quests every day, can you invite alts to your house and do red quests on them as well or do you need expensive housing for every alt?​​

freygin

I see, so that's the tradeable 4:1 mat. It'll take more than 4 months to make 1 tradeable mat or 4 bound mats. Gotta need 9 alts if the quest can be shared to get the other 9 in shorter time.

@attackerv : is the red quest long or short ?

attackerv

asterelle said:

The blue stuff is tradeable version like with FSP coins. The version you actually need to make weapons though is untradeable.



@attackerv so if you invest in expensive housing and unlock 100% red quests every day, can you invite alts to your house and do red quests on them as well or do you need expensive housing for every alt?​​

No, you can invite alts to do red quests.

But......you can not make all item by own. Because there are 4 kinds of specialist and one char only have one, you have to find other ppl to make item for you. Ofc, you can sell item for other ppl. There are a function for sell and buy for craft service. You can make 3 alts for other 3 specialists. But that will need more coins for level your alts housing system.

level your specialist needs coin, coin, coin...................

and about the property value can achieve from house level and value items. one important item level 1-5 need coins, about 600m, level 6-level 10 from BQ, about 2000 golds in pwcn.

level house is not easy, you need make lots of thing. if you want to make a item, you need the craft drawing. the craft drawing only get random one each day. At the beignning, many ppl make things for other ppl freely for level their house faster.

Sorry, maybe you lost after read what i said

that is too complicate and I basically understand but i don't know how to explain all of them....

source:

http://w2i.wanmei.com/mobile/mobilenews/20151109/75665.shtml

http://w2i.178.com/201512/244943303431.html

freygin

Geez 600m coin to level 1-5, that's a HUGE coinsink. 1 PWI Gold is 1 USD , right ? How much does 1 Gold cost in pwcn ? Does anyone know the url to check on boutique items for pwcn ?

Is there anything else from this patch that requires a lot of coin / gold to be spent on, that we should know other than for housing ?

By now we all understand that it takes a long time to farm g17 mats and money to upgrade the house, if we're not rushing since no matter how we rush it'll still take time and usually they just put mats like this in packs or put them in boutique, is the benefit of increasing house property value only for getting G17 weapon materials easier ? or do we have other benefit from it other than aesthetics ?

standoffishman

freygin said:

Geez 600m coin to level 1-5, that's a HUGE coinsink. 1 PWI Gold is 1 USD , right ? How much does 1 Gold cost in pwcn ? Does anyone know the url to check on boutique items for pwcn ?

Is there anything else from this patch that requires a lot of coin / gold to be spent on, that we should know other than for housing ?

By now we all understand that it takes a long time to farm g17 mats and money to upgrade the house, if we're not rushing since no matter how we rush it'll still take time and usually they just put mats like this in packs or put them in boutique, is the benefit of increasing house property value only for getting G17 weapon materials easier ? or do we have other benefit from it other than aesthetics ?

If I recall correctly it's 1 yuan. Doing a direct conversion doesn't work however as average revenue within western countries is much higher. Simply doing 1:1 is fairly common in localization and works decently for maintaining comparable effective worth (mostly). Having said that publishers semi-frequently reduce the cost from that for cultural reasons as certain Asian countries are extra whalely and tend to have a lot of new wealth floating around.

Unless I'm mistaken our r9rr is much cheaper than it is on CN for example. However it plays a very different role on our servers than it does over there. This isn't consistent across all cash shop items however.

freygin

Boutique items in PWI is usually much more expensive than CN, if that's 1:1 direct conversion then it'd be US$2,000 for leveling houses from 6-10.

PWI's R9RR is much cheaper yes, I myself play on a different region but follow CN R9RR. It's expensive because the mats aren't being sold in the boutique, but rather from people doing BH and ocassionally as a reward similar to zen charge reward, the mats were ever sold in real life events twice but not so many ppl bought them because they're still too pricey, so in the end it's not available in large quantities thus makes the ingame price skyrocket and not so many ppl are patient enough to aim for a set or can afford them. Even the Sovereign Seals needed to upgrade them to g3 are insanely a lot and pricey, 1000 supply token + 10 mill coins for 1 sovereign seal. If R9 mats weren't sold by the publisher or given as rewards, I bet G17R5 can be said faster to farm and widely available for everyone that has the patience than R9 sets.

dblazen1

jsxshadow wrote: »

For me personally, I would be more interested in the chinese r9rr that we might get. Is there any new info about it, especially in terms of costs for exchanging our gear for the chinese version (not talking about chienkung costs, just regular exchange costs if there are any)?

Cause lets face it..when g17r5 is really that hard to get then at least the chinese weapons would be a massive upgrade to our weapons when you consider the common rolled stats we get on our weapons. I definitly would take the chinese weapons over any of our weapons with the exception of psys maybe.

[citation needed]
Or is this just another "someone said it on world chat so it must be true" thing?
I haven't heard a single thing about us getting the chinese R9rr option, but if there will be, I wonder how it would work.
Would it be a permanent switch?​​

standoffishman

freygin said:

Boutique items in PWI is usually much more expensive than CN, if that's 1:1 direct conversion then it'd be US$2,000 for leveling houses from 6-10.

PWI's R9RR is much cheaper yes, I myself play on a different region but follow CN R9RR. It's expensive because the mats aren't being sold in the boutique, but rather from people doing BH and ocassionally as a reward similar to zen charge reward, the mats were ever sold in real life events twice but not so many ppl bought them because they're still too pricey, so in the end it's not available in large quantities thus makes the ingame price skyrocket and not so many ppl are patient enough to aim for a set or can afford them. Even the Sovereign Seals needed to upgrade them to g3 are insanely a lot and pricey, 1000 supply token + 10 mill coins for 1 sovereign seal. If R9 mats weren't sold by the publisher or given as rewards, I bet G17R5 can be said faster to farm and widely available for everyone that has the patience than R9 sets.

Just to make sure it's clear (to third parties mostly) the real yuan:usd conversion rate is 6.5:1. Thus 2000 gold on CN would be 300ish USD. In practice however as you said the PWI prices are much higher as they try to factor in the difference in incomes and such.

Just to make sure you aren't saying that PWI items are much more expensive in gold but rather that the gold:currency rates make it much more expensive in hard currency correct?

sylenthunder

dblazen1 wrote: »

jsxshadow wrote: »

For me personally, I would be more interested in the chinese r9rr that we might get. Is there any new info about it, especially in terms of costs for exchanging our gear for the chinese version (not talking about chienkung costs, just regular exchange costs if there are any)?

Cause lets face it..when g17r5 is really that hard to get then at least the chinese weapons would be a massive upgrade to our weapons when you consider the common rolled stats we get on our weapons. I definitly would take the chinese weapons over any of our weapons with the exception of psys maybe.

[citation needed]
Or is this just another "someone said it on world chat so it must be true" thing?
I haven't heard a single thing about us getting the chinese R9rr option, but if there will be, I wonder how it would work.
Would it be a permanent switch?

It's 100% speculation. There are people going around talking about getting R10 too. It's all ****.​​

freygin

standoffishman said:

Just to make sure it's clear (to third parties mostly) the real yuan:usd conversion rate is 6.5:1. Thus 2000 gold on CN would be 300ish USD. In practice however as you said the PWI prices are much higher as they try to factor in the difference in incomes and such.

Just to make sure you aren't saying that PWI items are much more expensive in gold but rather that the gold:currency rates make it much more expensive in hard currency correct?

I mainly was referring to nebula dust orb and other starchart items which are insanely pricey compared to CN. Avatar S box too I guess. So I conclude housing BQ items will also be more expensive on PWI. It's just a wild guess.

dblazen1

sylenthunder wrote: »

dblazen1 wrote: »

jsxshadow wrote: »

For me personally, I would be more interested in the chinese r9rr that we might get. Is there any new info about it, especially in terms of costs for exchanging our gear for the chinese version (not talking about chienkung costs, just regular exchange costs if there are any)?

Cause lets face it..when g17r5 is really that hard to get then at least the chinese weapons would be a massive upgrade to our weapons when you consider the common rolled stats we get on our weapons. I definitly would take the chinese weapons over any of our weapons with the exception of psys maybe.

[citation needed]
Or is this just another "someone said it on world chat so it must be true" thing?
I haven't heard a single thing about us getting the chinese R9rr option, but if there will be, I wonder how it would work.
Would it be a permanent switch?

It's 100% speculation. There are people going around talking about getting R10 too. It's all ****.

Hmmm, there is a recipe on pwdatabase that I haven't seen a while ago that enables our R9rr -> CN R9rr, i'm not sure when it was added since I haven't kept track of it too much, but I suppose that could've spawned that rumor​​

sylenthunder

dblazen1 wrote: »

Hmmm, there is a recipe on pwdatabase that I haven't seen a while ago that enables our R9rr -> CN R9rr, i'm not sure when it was added since I haven't kept track of it too much, but I suppose that could've spawned that rumor

That's been there for years. I think it was mainly for testing purposes, but I don't recall exactly it's been so long.​​

asterelle

sylenthunder wrote: »

dblazen1 wrote: »

Hmmm, there is a recipe on pwdatabase that I haven't seen a while ago that enables our R9rr -> CN R9rr, i'm not sure when it was added since I haven't kept track of it too much, but I suppose that could've spawned that rumor

That's been there for years. I think it was mainly for testing purposes, but I don't recall exactly it's been so long.

To be clear the PWCN r9rr is old gear but the recipe to make them from our r9rr is new. In the last twitch stream @thenamesdomino made an unofficial reference to "R10" coming to us and he was likely talking about this. Unfortunately upgrading to this gear from well refined R9rr seems to cost massive amounts of chienkuns last I checked which will make it impractical for most players without a massive chienkun sale. It's also more of a 'sidegrade' than an upgrade due to lower offensive stats (no +100 stat set bonus).​​

dblazen1

asterelle wrote: »

sylenthunder wrote: »

dblazen1 wrote: »

Hmmm, there is a recipe on pwdatabase that I haven't seen a while ago that enables our R9rr -> CN R9rr, i'm not sure when it was added since I haven't kept track of it too much, but I suppose that could've spawned that rumor

That's been there for years. I think it was mainly for testing purposes, but I don't recall exactly it's been so long.

To be clear the PWCN r9rr is old gear but the recipe to make them from our r9rr is new. In the last twitch stream @thenamesdomino made an unofficial reference to "R10" coming to us and he was likely talking about this. Unfortunately upgrading to this gear from well refined R9rr seems to cost massive amounts of chienkuns last I checked which will make it impractical for most players without a massive chienkun sale. It's also more of a 'sidegrade' than an upgrade due to lower offensive stats (no +100 stat set bonus).

It would be a step in the right direction to make our version more like the CN one though, just their approach is completely wrong, because (in my opinion) there is next to no reason to go from our version of R9rr to CN's version...
And then there's the problem of it possibly going to cost a lot (granted we ever are going to get it), which is insanely off putting as well.

If they want to make it more equal to their version, they would have to shove it down our version's throat, which is probably not going to sit well with a lot of people. That and they should also make everything you have on that gear transferable for free.

But that's not going to happen because this would just end up being yet another cashcow.
There is no right approach, they are doing all these things way too late.

I also wonder if it would be reversible, there is a quest for that on a GM npc that also gives a bunch of items of which I have no idea why they would need that when they go back, the 90m fee is understandable because that's the crafting fee from the switch. The items I can't place though.

Edit: Oh, just saw it's R9r that it gives back, the items are the CN R9rr crafting materials.​​