Since a CW is extremely squishy and have real problems surviving in PvP
I have a DO DC, an AC DC, a WK TR and an MI TR with Profound gear sets, Rank 7 and 8 enchants, Rank 9 and 10 Weapon and Armour enchants and three artifacts each above Rank 60. I don't think you fully appreciate what "squishy" really is, or what "real problems surviving in PvP" actually are!
A 9k CW can PERMA-Freeze my 15k AC Healer and completely immobilise her until she is dead. THAT is the definition of "squishy". Or maybe it's the definition of "Over-Powered, Unbalanced, Zero-Skill, Single-Button and Broken"?
Although, she did kill a 19.5k CW one time, but he was Uber-Poor and really had no clue how to play at all.
As for the gear, do you have to BE a Drow to wear it? I don't think it will fit my Dwarves or Halflings, and probably be too small for my Dragonborn.
All editions of AD&D and most CRPGs have had Drow gear in them, so I have no problem with that.
But before Cryptic introduce even MORE new gear into the game I'd really prefer them to fix the gear that's already there. And I also hope they get the stats and the Set Bonuses correct on any new gear BEFORE it is introduced.
The Grim DC sets are all wrong in their stats and do not equate to the same GS, whereas the Profound sets do.
So the gains you get from upgrading are inconsistent.
All Profound Sets (including Symbol and Icon) = 8,486 GS (assumes Max hp/4 = GS value)
Δ GS Faithful Profound from Grim = +229
Righteous Profound from Grim = +635 Virtuous Profound from Grim = +273
Faithful = Power and Recovery
Righteous = Power and Crit
Grim Virtuous = Crit and Recovery
Assuming that Grim Righteous is Correct, which it probably is from my analysis:
Grim Faithful Armour Power, Recovery, Defence and Max hp are too high and upgrading to Profound is really not worth it.
I wish I had not bothered, as my Divinity regeneration actually seems to be slower, rather than faster. That's 24k Glory I could have spent on an Artifact, and 10 Seals of Triumph I could have converted to 2,500 Glory.
Power should be 251, not 391
Recovery should be 251, not 391
Defence should be 443, not 506
Max hp should be 454 (113 GS equivalent), not 706 (176 GS equivalent)
This makes Grim Faithful consistent with Grim Virtuous and Righteous.
Grim Virtuous Symbol Power is rated too high AND is actually higher than the Profound Virtuous Symbol.
Grim Virtuous Symbol should be 1375 Power instead of 1626.
Grim Virtuous Icon Critical Strike is rated too high AND is actually higher than on the Profound Virtuous Icon.
Grim Virtuous Icon should have 140 Critical Strike rather than 251.
All four of these characters are now looking at Black Ice gear and I am seeing similar inconsistencies, which means that making a choice requires an analytical spreadsheet.
This stuff matters because finding out AFTER the event and after taking all the time and effort it needs to get the gear upsets any players who then feel like they have been chumped.
As for the Grim Faithful set, if the stats had been correct I would have gone straight for the Profound, as I did with my DO's Profound Righteous. And that would have saved me a LOT of Glory and Seals in the long run.
Suggestion:
Change DC's 4piece bonus: You gain divine power 30% faster, heal for 8.5% more and deal 4% more damage. Because DC have DPS spec now(Righteous) and want deal damage.
Since the sets can be mix/miss matched to still achieve 4 set bonuses (correct me if I am wrong).
If a person were to wear 2 of Set 1 and 2 from Set 2 of drow equipment, for example:
TR wearing 2 drow scoundrel and 2 executioner, he would still receive the 4 set bonuses + 2x 2 set bonus, right?
That means they would receive 2x625 Crit (or what ever they have as set bonus for 2 equips) + 4 set bonus
I need someone to clarify this for me as people would have to totally give up on the stats they are receiving from the 2 set bonuses and focus on the other stats and become better both in GS and requirements for their Playstyle
Since the sets can be mix/miss matched to still achieve 4 set bonuses (correct me if I am wrong).
If a person were to wear 2 of Set 1 and 2 from Set 2 of drow equipment, for example:
TR wearing 2 drow scoundrel and 2 executioner, he would still receive the 4 set bonuses + 2x 2 set bonus, right?
No, not as far as I know. If that were the case, it would have to be a bug.
How could they get a 4/4 Set Bonus when they are wearing 2/4 plus 2/4 of two different sets? That defeats the object and purpose of having a 4/4 Set Bonus.
They MAY get the 2/4 Set Bonus TWICE, but to check this you'd have to have a lot of Glory and Seals and go to the Preview Shard, strip naked, check your stats, buy the gear and try it on. As you can only have 50k Glory in your Currency Inventory, this would be difficult to do unless you already have the two most expensive pieces.
Or, keep your old gear when you upgrade and try it and see. IF the 4/4 Set Bonus appears on the character sheet at all.
I have seen people in PvP with mixed sets; say, Black Ice and profound PvP gear. I assume so that they get the "Stat 1 Bonus" for 2/4 of one set, plus the "Stat 2 Bonus" for 2/4 of the other set. But I always get all four pieces of my Upgrade before I start using it.
I did wonder about this with my AC when I was collecting the Profound Faithful pieces: should I wear the Profound Helm and Boots for the +463 Recovery with the Grim Gauntlets and Armour for the +450 Recovery and forsake the 4/4 Grim Set Bonus of +25% Divinity Regain and +5% healing power? Then, when I get the Profound Gauntlets and Armour, equip them and lose the Grim +450 Recovery in favour of the improved, Profound 30% Divinity Regain and 7.5% Healing?
Unfortunately, I already Salvaged my Grim Gear, so I cannot check it out, now.
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I just read the tool tips for the DC gear, and it looks like you WILL get the 2/4 AND 4/4 set bonus even if they are miss-matched, as it says "Part of Set 0/16".
So ALL 16 pieces of Faithful, Righteous and Virtuous are treated as being part of a Single Set?
I think this has to be a bug. Surely?
It WILL allow you to mix and match the stat bonuses for mixed sets and STILL get the 2/4 and 4/4 Set bonus.
But you will NOT get the 2/4 Set Bonus twice if all 16 pieces are regarded as being part of the same set.
This HAS to be a Bug?
You BUY this gear, yes? So you choose what you want? It does not drop by RNG (there would be an advantage to all 16 pieces being part of a single set if they dropped randomly and were BoP)?
The GF's Drow Preserver armor has the stats of the current profound. how do I let the devs know?
(assuming they didnt know of this already).
I tried making a new thread in the NeverwinterPreview - Feedback/General Discussion with no one currently responds yet...
Try reporting it in the Bug Forum or, if there is a feedback thread for Module 5, try there.
Or tell them directly on a live Twitter when the Devs are on.
Sadly, we are not allowed to target posts here at specific people. Even threads with "Dear Devs" in the title are apt to get deleted or Canned; but not always...
Or, better yet, find a thread where someone like Panderus has made a post and send him a PM.
Suggestion:
Change DC's 4piece bonus: You gain divine power 30% faster, heal for 8.5% more and deal 4% more damage. Because DC have DPS spec now(Righteous) and want deal damage.
Nice idea.
As the Profound PvP Gear Set 4/4 bonus is already +463 Recovery, +30% Divinity Regain and +7.5% healing, I would suggest:
Try reporting it in the Bug Forum or, if there is a feedback thread for Module 5, try there.
Or tell them directly on a live Twitter when the Devs are on.
Sadly, we are not allowed to target posts here at specific people. Even threads with "Dear Devs" in the title are apt to get deleted or Canned; but not always...
Or, better yet, find a thread where someone like Panderus has made a post and send him a PM.
Nooo make the dc and all others chars 4/4 set bonus same as SW's one, they've the best set bonuses, 10% damage bonus when the target is at 20% hp or dead
It's replicated across all sets, and seems like a nice new feature for PvP sets
I was thinking that maybe it's an artifact of them still being in development? Once it's ready for release, they'll be in sets of 4/4 as normal, Virtuous, Righteous and Faithful?
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I'm pretty sure it's an intentional change or there would be no reason for the sets to display as x/16. Any 4 pieces constitutes a full set, matching or not.
It allows customizing your stats from mixing sets while not preventing you from attaining a 4 piece bonus (buff), but prevents people from going 2/2 to overstack set bonuses (nerf). Seems balanced to me.
The Drow pvp sets are all mix and match to get the 2 piece and 4 piece bonus. Any 2 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 2 piece set. Any 4 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 4 piece bonus. This btw, is the same system used for Scourge Warlocks Profound and Grim sets.
The display of the Set Bonus is a little messed up currently. It should say for the GWF:
Part of Set (0/4)
Drow Helm
Drow Scale
Drow Gauntlets
Drow Greaves
The Drow pvp sets are all mix and match to get the 2 piece and 4 piece bonus. Any 2 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 2 piece set. Any 4 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 4 piece bonus. This btw, is the same system used for Scourge Warlocks Profound and Grim sets.
The display of the Set Bonus is a little messed up currently. It should say for the GWF:
Part of Set (0/4)
Drow Helm
Drow Scale
Drow Gauntlets
Drow Greaves
The Drow pvp sets are all mix and match to get the 2 piece and 4 piece bonus. Any 2 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 2 piece set. Any 4 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 4 piece bonus. This btw, is the same system used for Scourge Warlocks Profound and Grim sets.
The display of the Set Bonus is a little messed up currently. It should say for the GWF:
Part of Set (0/4)
Drow Helm
Drow Scale
Drow Gauntlets
Drow Greaves
Will these sets be available tomorrow on live? They currently aren't for sale on the PTR Glory Vendors.
The Drow pvp sets are all mix and match to get the 2 piece and 4 piece bonus. Any 2 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 2 piece set. Any 4 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 4 piece bonus. This btw, is the same system used for Scourge Warlocks Profound and Grim sets.
The display of the Set Bonus is a little messed up currently. It should say for the GWF:
Part of Set (0/4)
Drow Helm
Drow Scale
Drow Gauntlets
Drow Greaves
Any update or future plans for changing the CW's 4-set bonus?
how about changing GWF 4 set bonus cause the speed debuff, debuffs GWF aswell maybe change it into +9,5% deflect and 25-30% determination gain from dmg taken that would incrase survaviblity of GWF in m5 thats really needed....
The Drow pvp sets are all mix and match to get the 2 piece and 4 piece bonus. Any 2 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 2 piece set. Any 4 pieces of Drow PvP armor can be worn to get the 4 piece bonus..
That is a really nice system , it allows players to pick and choose the gear pieces that best suit the stats they desire while preventing them getting the + 625 2/2 bonus more than once.
Unless you know a way to farm glory seals and glory in PvE then you're up for a long pvp break.
Don't you get glory and seals from Rhix for the GG pvp daily if when GG pvp begins you just stay in pve area of GG, searching boulders, building catapults and feeding Amusud?
Unless you know a way to farm glory seals and glory in PvE then you're up for a long pvp break.
Well GG is kind of PVE. And you are getting glory for the match itself, GG Daily and also PVP Domination Victory Daily if you win. Plus trade Gryms from Crypt runs.
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I have a DO DC, an AC DC, a WK TR and an MI TR with Profound gear sets, Rank 7 and 8 enchants, Rank 9 and 10 Weapon and Armour enchants and three artifacts each above Rank 60. I don't think you fully appreciate what "squishy" really is, or what "real problems surviving in PvP" actually are!
A 9k CW can PERMA-Freeze my 15k AC Healer and completely immobilise her until she is dead. THAT is the definition of "squishy". Or maybe it's the definition of "Over-Powered, Unbalanced, Zero-Skill, Single-Button and Broken"?
Although, she did kill a 19.5k CW one time, but he was Uber-Poor and really had no clue how to play at all.
As for the gear, do you have to BE a Drow to wear it? I don't think it will fit my Dwarves or Halflings, and probably be too small for my Dragonborn.
All editions of AD&D and most CRPGs have had Drow gear in them, so I have no problem with that.
But before Cryptic introduce even MORE new gear into the game I'd really prefer them to fix the gear that's already there. And I also hope they get the stats and the Set Bonuses correct on any new gear BEFORE it is introduced.
The Grim DC sets are all wrong in their stats and do not equate to the same GS, whereas the Profound sets do.
So the gains you get from upgrading are inconsistent.
All Profound Sets (including Symbol and Icon) = 8,486 GS (assumes Max hp/4 = GS value)
Grim Faithful = 8,257
Grim Righteous = 7,851
Grim Virtuous = 8,213
Δ GS
Faithful Profound from Grim = +229
Righteous Profound from Grim = +635
Virtuous Profound from Grim = +273
Faithful = Power and Recovery
Righteous = Power and Crit
Grim Virtuous = Crit and Recovery
Assuming that Grim Righteous is Correct, which it probably is from my analysis:
Grim Faithful Armour
Power, Recovery, Defence and Max hp are too high and upgrading to Profound is really not worth it.
I wish I had not bothered, as my Divinity regeneration actually seems to be slower, rather than faster. That's 24k Glory I could have spent on an Artifact, and 10 Seals of Triumph I could have converted to 2,500 Glory.
Power should be 251, not 391
Recovery should be 251, not 391
Defence should be 443, not 506
Max hp should be 454 (113 GS equivalent), not 706 (176 GS equivalent)
This makes Grim Faithful consistent with Grim Virtuous and Righteous.
Grim Virtuous Symbol
Power is rated too high AND is actually higher than the Profound Virtuous Symbol.
Grim Virtuous Symbol should be 1375 Power instead of 1626.
Grim Virtuous Icon
Critical Strike is rated too high AND is actually higher than on the Profound Virtuous Icon.
Grim Virtuous Icon should have 140 Critical Strike rather than 251.
All four of these characters are now looking at Black Ice gear and I am seeing similar inconsistencies, which means that making a choice requires an analytical spreadsheet.
This stuff matters because finding out AFTER the event and after taking all the time and effort it needs to get the gear upsets any players who then feel like they have been chumped.
As for the Grim Faithful set, if the stats had been correct I would have gone straight for the Profound, as I did with my DO's Profound Righteous. And that would have saved me a LOT of Glory and Seals in the long run.
They are intended to be
I thought they were Tier 3?
Change DC's 4piece bonus: You gain divine power 30% faster, heal for 8.5% more and deal 4% more damage. Because DC have DPS spec now(Righteous) and want deal damage.
Since the sets can be mix/miss matched to still achieve 4 set bonuses (correct me if I am wrong).
If a person were to wear 2 of Set 1 and 2 from Set 2 of drow equipment, for example:
TR wearing 2 drow scoundrel and 2 executioner, he would still receive the 4 set bonuses + 2x 2 set bonus, right?
That means they would receive 2x625 Crit (or what ever they have as set bonus for 2 equips) + 4 set bonus
I need someone to clarify this for me as people would have to totally give up on the stats they are receiving from the 2 set bonuses and focus on the other stats and become better both in GS and requirements for their Playstyle
TR + HR + OP + SW
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I was on NeverwinterPreview. can't see them. did you mean Owlbear?
gatewaytest.neverwinter.com
(assuming they didnt know of this already).
I tried making a new thread in the NeverwinterPreview - Feedback/General Discussion with no one currently responds yet...
No, not as far as I know. If that were the case, it would have to be a bug.
How could they get a 4/4 Set Bonus when they are wearing 2/4 plus 2/4 of two different sets? That defeats the object and purpose of having a 4/4 Set Bonus.
They MAY get the 2/4 Set Bonus TWICE, but to check this you'd have to have a lot of Glory and Seals and go to the Preview Shard, strip naked, check your stats, buy the gear and try it on. As you can only have 50k Glory in your Currency Inventory, this would be difficult to do unless you already have the two most expensive pieces.
Or, keep your old gear when you upgrade and try it and see. IF the 4/4 Set Bonus appears on the character sheet at all.
I have seen people in PvP with mixed sets; say, Black Ice and profound PvP gear. I assume so that they get the "Stat 1 Bonus" for 2/4 of one set, plus the "Stat 2 Bonus" for 2/4 of the other set. But I always get all four pieces of my Upgrade before I start using it.
I did wonder about this with my AC when I was collecting the Profound Faithful pieces: should I wear the Profound Helm and Boots for the +463 Recovery with the Grim Gauntlets and Armour for the +450 Recovery and forsake the 4/4 Grim Set Bonus of +25% Divinity Regain and +5% healing power? Then, when I get the Profound Gauntlets and Armour, equip them and lose the Grim +450 Recovery in favour of the improved, Profound 30% Divinity Regain and 7.5% Healing?
Unfortunately, I already Salvaged my Grim Gear, so I cannot check it out, now.
[Edit]
I just read the tool tips for the DC gear, and it looks like you WILL get the 2/4 AND 4/4 set bonus even if they are miss-matched, as it says "Part of Set 0/16".
So ALL 16 pieces of Faithful, Righteous and Virtuous are treated as being part of a Single Set?
I think this has to be a bug. Surely?
It WILL allow you to mix and match the stat bonuses for mixed sets and STILL get the 2/4 and 4/4 Set bonus.
But you will NOT get the 2/4 Set Bonus twice if all 16 pieces are regarded as being part of the same set.
This HAS to be a Bug?
You BUY this gear, yes? So you choose what you want? It does not drop by RNG (there would be an advantage to all 16 pieces being part of a single set if they dropped randomly and were BoP)?
Try reporting it in the Bug Forum or, if there is a feedback thread for Module 5, try there.
Or tell them directly on a live Twitter when the Devs are on.
Sadly, we are not allowed to target posts here at specific people. Even threads with "Dear Devs" in the title are apt to get deleted or Canned; but not always...
Or, better yet, find a thread where someone like Panderus has made a post and send him a PM.
Nice idea.
As the Profound PvP Gear Set 4/4 bonus is already +463 Recovery, +30% Divinity Regain and +7.5% healing, I would suggest:
+625 Recovery, +35% Divinity Regain, +8.5% healing, +5% Damage Bonus.
The gear IS supposed to be an Upgrade, right?
thanks for the information.
Actually, there is a Systems Designer, graalx3, watching this thread, so he may well have seen your comments already, but you could also PM him.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?788761-Drow-PvP-Equipment&p=9430051&viewfull=1#post9430051
That's an amazingly accurate and prescient Freudian slip right there.
Nooo make the dc and all others chars 4/4 set bonus same as SW's one, they've the best set bonuses, 10% damage bonus when the target is at 20% hp or dead
I was thinking that maybe it's an artifact of them still being in development? Once it's ready for release, they'll be in sets of 4/4 as normal, Virtuous, Righteous and Faithful?
It allows customizing your stats from mixing sets while not preventing you from attaining a 4 piece bonus (buff), but prevents people from going 2/2 to overstack set bonuses (nerf). Seems balanced to me.
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The display of the Set Bonus is a little messed up currently. It should say for the GWF:
Part of Set (0/4)
Drow Helm
Drow Scale
Drow Gauntlets
Drow Greaves
How much glory and seals do we need for it?
Will these sets be available tomorrow on live? They currently aren't for sale on the PTR Glory Vendors.
Any update or future plans for changing the CW's 4-set bonus?
That is a really nice system , it allows players to pick and choose the gear pieces that best suit the stats they desire while preventing them getting the + 625 2/2 bonus more than once.
Unless you know a way to farm glory seals and glory in PvE then you're up for a long pvp break.
Don't you get glory and seals from Rhix for the GG pvp daily if when GG pvp begins you just stay in pve area of GG, searching boulders, building catapults and feeding Amusud?
Well GG is kind of PVE. And you are getting glory for the match itself, GG Daily and also PVP Domination Victory Daily if you win. Plus trade Gryms from Crypt runs.