. . . The main reason why players feel that Warlock is the next one coming and assume that it's the most popular choice is a hand-in-hand reason. Let me explain.
. . . Back in Alpha, before we got the Great Weapon Fighter (GWF), gear for both the GWF and Scourge Warlock (SW) was dropping in the game. We then got the GWF not long afterwards and at the same time, SW gear stopped dropping just prior to Beta. So, this lead to many people proclaiming that SW is the next class which in-turn has lead many to assume from the ammount of people claiming SW is next, that this is the most popular choice. Contrary to most people's proclamations on the SW being next, we got the Ranger.
. . . Just prior and again after we got the Ranger the two most requested classes were stated as the Ranger and the Druid. This came from Cryptic's own mouth. We already got the ranger. From my forum observations and discussions with friends and players, the Bard class is way more desired than the Warlock as well.
. . . It has already been stated as well that Module 3 will not contain a new class. Things could change however, for in MMOs... nothing is set in stone.
You, Sir, Are Party-pooper.
Be it known hence forth that whenever it is finally released, which it will be at some point in time as yet to be determined by the powers that be, that my Warlock will hunt down your scrawny little wizzie butt and SCOURGE ON YOU.
-AHEM!-
***
Yeah, everything is 100% total guesswork at this point. I really would not be surprised if the next four, even five, possibly even six classes are already in the works as these things have a very, very long percolation period before they're even ready to be hinted at, much less officially announced. and in that process what may have been planned as "next" could fall behind another and so release schedules change and all that hooey-phooey-whatnot bizniz.
. . . The main reason why players feel that Warlock is the next one coming and assume that it's the most popular choice is a hand-in-hand reason. Let me explain.
. . . Back in Alpha, before we got the Great Weapon Fighter (GWF), gear for both the GWF and Scourge Warlock (SW) was dropping in the game. We then got the GWF not long afterwards and at the same time, SW gear stopped dropping just prior to Beta. So, this lead to many people proclaiming that SW is the next class which in-turn has lead many to assume from the ammount of people claiming SW is next, that this is the most popular choice. Contrary to most people's proclamations on the SW being next, we got the Ranger.
. . . Just prior and again after we got the Ranger the two most requested classes were stated as the Ranger and the Druid. This came from Cryptic's own mouth. We already got the ranger. From my forum observations and discussions with friends and players, the Bard class is way more desired than the Warlock as well.
. . . It has already been stated as well that Module 3 will not contain a new class. Things could change however, for in MMOs... nothing is set in stone.
Yeah right now there's no new testing for it.
I suspect we already got the "Warlock" in the form of the Master of Flame path on the CW.
I suspect the reason we haven't seen warlock, and are never going to is because they changed their minds in the dev phase, and basically said, well we can make this just another path on the CW side instead.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited April 2014
Still holding out for that Swordmage/Bladesinger class!
I was wondering if future new class that have healing skill will be getting the similar self-heal nerf (Righteousness) just like what the Cleric is having on 'em. Unless if (probably acceptable?) the the skill were mostly single target. At the moment... I'm pretty much frowning upon seeing the party set-up in PvE where most of the time some melee dps or tanks getting sidelined or sometimes not even needed... I was like, what the heck?
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silverquickMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
Still holding out for that Swordmage/Bladesinger class!
C'mon Cryptic!
Surprisingly I could see that one being as popular as the Ranger.
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psyb3rtr011Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 340Arc User
edited April 2014
Going old school, and asking for one of the original classes that has been in every version of AD&D as a Basic Character Class, and going with the Paladin. The Druid and Bard rounding out my preferences in that order.
They already have a Paladin Enchantment, Holy Avenger, in the game. When they do, I will resurrect my 3.5 Ed Half-Orc Sunite Paladin from Neverwinter 2.
I would like to play Invoker and Psion. And possibly Swordmage.
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lazaroth666Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,332Arc User
edited April 2014
Guys, why you don't add in the first thread a short description of each class included the poll? Maybe just primary and secondary role, skills or spells are magical, physical or both, things like that. My point is that perhaps is not just like "what would be the new class but what is the class that the game needs"? i.e I would love to play a Paladin because I like that kind of character but how would he fit in this game along with two soldier classes when one of them haven't even received love since long time ago. (Unless they rework the Guardian Fighter as Paladin, a support/fighter class awesome). Knowing what the game needs, allow us to know what would be the new class.
My thought is that including a "scourge warlock" full dps class with almost no control, right? Most runs are fast-paced, full dps, if we think about the actual party setup, we just change a CW for a Warlock and everything would be the same as now.
So what do we need? I think about a multirole class, capable of tanking, bring support buff/debuff, control or dps if needed but only one role possible according to his slotted encounters, would be great for every party, very situational according to the party setup and according to certain zones in the dungeons, slotting different encounters for trash clearing, boss fights, pvp, etc. Is there any class in D&D that can do this?
Is the new class gonna be in the preview shard first to test out any bugs/imbalance it would have?
Doesn't matter what it is, if there's a big ticket item that a ton of people are going to use, it's going to be put through a serious amount of testing first. So, yeah, when whatever class is next comes out, there'll probably be about a month of testing ahead of the release date.
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dardoveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
So what do we need? I think about a multirole class, capable of tanking, bring support buff/debuff, control or dps if needed but only one role possible according to his slotted encounters, would be great for every party, very situational according to the party setup and according to certain zones in the dungeons, slotting different encounters for trash clearing, boss fights, pvp, etc. Is there any class in D&D that can do this?
Not really. For one, in 4th edition you can't change your powers on a whim. You started out with 2 at-will, 1 encounter, and 1 daily. As you leveled up you gain 2 more encounter powers, 2 more daily powers, 3 utility powers along with getting the encounter, daily, and utility power from your paragon path. Once you are full of powers, then at certain levels you replace one of your existing powers with a newer power. You can also retrain one power each time you leveled (unless you decide to retrain something else).
Also all classes are defined as having one primary role and 1 or 2 secondary roles.
Edit: Might as well address the first part of your post too.
Guys, why you don't add in the first thread a short description of each class included the poll? Maybe just primary and secondary role, skills or spells are magical, physical or both, things like that. My point is that perhaps is not just like "what would be the new class but what is the class that the game needs"? i.e I would love to play a Paladin because I like that kind of character but how would he fit in this game along with two soldier classes when one of them haven't even received love since long time ago. (Unless they rework the Guardian Fighter as Paladin, a support/fighter class awesome). Knowing what the game needs, allow us to know what would be the new class.
Barbarian
Power Source - Primal
Primary Role - Striker
Secondary Role - Defender (w/ Rageblood Barbarian) or Leader (w/ Thaneborn Barbarian)
Bard
Power Source - Arcane
Primary Role - Leader
Secondary Role - Controller
Note - Cunning Bards are ranged focused and Valorous Bard are melee focused
Paladin
Power Source - Divine
Primary Role - Defender
Secondary Role - None defined, but with access to some heals probably leader
Note - Avenging Paladins are 2 hand weapon focused and Protecting Paladins are sword and board focused
Psion
Power Source - Psionic
Primary Role - Controller
Secondary Role - None defined
Note - builds are Telekinetic Psion and Telepathic Psion
Shaman
Power Source - Primal
Primary Role - Leader
Secondary Role - Defender (w/ Bear Shaman) or Striker (w/ Panther Shaman)
Sorcerer
Power Source - Arcane
Primary Role - Striker
Secondary Role - Controller
Note - Builds are Chaos Sorcerer and Dragon Sorcerer
Warlock
Power Source - Arcane
Primary Role - Striker
Secondary Role - None defined
Note - Builds are Deceptive Warlock and Scourge Warlock
Warlord
Power Source - Martial
Primary Role - Leader
Secondary Role - None defined
Note - Builds are Inspiring Warlord and Tactical Warlord
Not going to go through the rest of classes. Also the various classes gain additional suggested builds in Martial Power, Arcane Power, etc books along with Dragon magazine but I didn't list them here.
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lazaroth666Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,332Arc User
edited April 2014
Thanks dardove for your answer.
Paladin
Power Source - Divine
Primary Role - Defender
Secondary Role - None defined, but with access to some heals probably leader Note - Avenging Paladins are 2 hand weapon focused and Protecting Paladins are sword and board focused
Sounds perfect like a 3rd paragon for Great Weapon Fighters and Guardian Fighters, isn't it?
Sounds perfect like a 3rd paragon for Great Weapon Fighters and Guardian Fighters, isn't it?
No it dosent. A paragon path only adds a single daily, an at-will, and a few encounter powers, class features. This is hardly enough to distinguish a separate class.
Paragons are not classes. They are simply minor tweaks that allow a little extra flavor.
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dardoveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
No it dosent. A paragon path only adds a single daily, an at-will, and a few encounter powers, class features. This is hardly enough to distinguish a separate class.
Paragons are not classes. They are simply minor tweaks that allow a little extra flavor.
Also paragon paths are existing things in 4th edition rules. So far they have stuck to 4th edition classes being classes in this game, and 4th edition paragon paths being paragon paths.
Sounds perfect like a 3rd paragon for Great Weapon Fighters and Guardian Fighters, isn't it?
I still personally think they should MERGE GFs and GWFs into one single class called FIGHTER...
Then add GWF and GF as seperate trees. That way, no matter what happens the class of FIGHTER... will be able to adapt to any and all situations needed.
And Paladin could be a Paragon tree.
This I think is what REALLY needs to happen in the game. Rather than two seperate classes as GWF and GF, they should just be Fighters with the abillity to equip or specialize with either set of weapons and equipment.
I think this would go a long way to balancing this tree and making everyone's characters at least worthwhile. That way it will much more versatile as a class as a whole.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Surprisingly I could see that one being as popular as the Ranger.
Bladesingers have always been my favorite class since D&D 3.0/3.5. I love everything about them: Elven, magic, and blades. They really are the Jedi of the D&D, at least in my eyes.
Of course, there's nothing in the works for them, but I'd still looooove to see one!
Doesn't matter what it is, if there's a big ticket item that a ton of people are going to use, it's going to be put through a serious amount of testing first. So, yeah, when whatever class is next comes out, there'll probably be about a month of testing ahead of the release date.
How long was the HR in preview shard before they released it?
I have five classes all at level 60 and in "maintenance mode" now (I'm just not interested at all in the sixth). So for me, it's at the point where I don't even *care* which class is next. I'm just hoping they bring it on the moment it's ready for public testing or whatnot because I need my NW fix and rolling a repeat isn't as much fun.
I suppose I could roll a throw-away toon to hold me over, but rerunning those lower-level introductory zones over and over can become a tedious grind.
They could release a 'stink cloud' class at this point and I'd jump on it.
So just me on the barbarian, eh? Nuts. Was my favorite class in NWN.
Not just you but we have only 1 option to chose .
I like magic and close combat class .This is why i like druid and shifter . But what we need is a real tank like paladin . Sadly i dont see Blackguard in 4e .
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You, Sir, Are Party-pooper.
Be it known hence forth that whenever it is finally released, which it will be at some point in time as yet to be determined by the powers that be, that my Warlock will hunt down your scrawny little wizzie butt and SCOURGE ON YOU.
-AHEM!-
***
Yeah, everything is 100% total guesswork at this point. I really would not be surprised if the next four, even five, possibly even six classes are already in the works as these things have a very, very long percolation period before they're even ready to be hinted at, much less officially announced. and in that process what may have been planned as "next" could fall behind another and so release schedules change and all that hooey-phooey-whatnot bizniz.
Yeah right now there's no new testing for it.
I suspect we already got the "Warlock" in the form of the Master of Flame path on the CW.
I suspect the reason we haven't seen warlock, and are never going to is because they changed their minds in the dev phase, and basically said, well we can make this just another path on the CW side instead.
C'mon Cryptic!
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Surprisingly I could see that one being as popular as the Ranger.
They already have a Paladin Enchantment, Holy Avenger, in the game. When they do, I will resurrect my 3.5 Ed Half-Orc Sunite Paladin from Neverwinter 2.
AKA Cyber Troll and Euben Hadd
My thought is that including a "scourge warlock" full dps class with almost no control, right? Most runs are fast-paced, full dps, if we think about the actual party setup, we just change a CW for a Warlock and everything would be the same as now.
So what do we need? I think about a multirole class, capable of tanking, bring support buff/debuff, control or dps if needed but only one role possible according to his slotted encounters, would be great for every party, very situational according to the party setup and according to certain zones in the dungeons, slotting different encounters for trash clearing, boss fights, pvp, etc. Is there any class in D&D that can do this?
Not really. For one, in 4th edition you can't change your powers on a whim. You started out with 2 at-will, 1 encounter, and 1 daily. As you leveled up you gain 2 more encounter powers, 2 more daily powers, 3 utility powers along with getting the encounter, daily, and utility power from your paragon path. Once you are full of powers, then at certain levels you replace one of your existing powers with a newer power. You can also retrain one power each time you leveled (unless you decide to retrain something else).
Also all classes are defined as having one primary role and 1 or 2 secondary roles.
Edit: Might as well address the first part of your post too.
Barbarian
Power Source - Primal
Primary Role - Striker
Secondary Role - Defender (w/ Rageblood Barbarian) or Leader (w/ Thaneborn Barbarian)
Bard
Power Source - Arcane
Primary Role - Leader
Secondary Role - Controller
Note - Cunning Bards are ranged focused and Valorous Bard are melee focused
Paladin
Power Source - Divine
Primary Role - Defender
Secondary Role - None defined, but with access to some heals probably leader
Note - Avenging Paladins are 2 hand weapon focused and Protecting Paladins are sword and board focused
Psion
Power Source - Psionic
Primary Role - Controller
Secondary Role - None defined
Note - builds are Telekinetic Psion and Telepathic Psion
Shaman
Power Source - Primal
Primary Role - Leader
Secondary Role - Defender (w/ Bear Shaman) or Striker (w/ Panther Shaman)
Sorcerer
Power Source - Arcane
Primary Role - Striker
Secondary Role - Controller
Note - Builds are Chaos Sorcerer and Dragon Sorcerer
Warlock
Power Source - Arcane
Primary Role - Striker
Secondary Role - None defined
Note - Builds are Deceptive Warlock and Scourge Warlock
Warlord
Power Source - Martial
Primary Role - Leader
Secondary Role - None defined
Note - Builds are Inspiring Warlord and Tactical Warlord
Not going to go through the rest of classes. Also the various classes gain additional suggested builds in Martial Power, Arcane Power, etc books along with Dragon magazine but I didn't list them here.
Sounds perfect like a 3rd paragon for Great Weapon Fighters and Guardian Fighters, isn't it?
No it dosent. A paragon path only adds a single daily, an at-will, and a few encounter powers, class features. This is hardly enough to distinguish a separate class.
Paragons are not classes. They are simply minor tweaks that allow a little extra flavor.
Also paragon paths are existing things in 4th edition rules. So far they have stuck to 4th edition classes being classes in this game, and 4th edition paragon paths being paragon paths.
I still personally think they should MERGE GFs and GWFs into one single class called FIGHTER...
Then add GWF and GF as seperate trees. That way, no matter what happens the class of FIGHTER... will be able to adapt to any and all situations needed.
And Paladin could be a Paragon tree.
This I think is what REALLY needs to happen in the game. Rather than two seperate classes as GWF and GF, they should just be Fighters with the abillity to equip or specialize with either set of weapons and equipment.
I think this would go a long way to balancing this tree and making everyone's characters at least worthwhile. That way it will much more versatile as a class as a whole.
Bladesingers have always been my favorite class since D&D 3.0/3.5. I love everything about them: Elven, magic, and blades. They really are the Jedi of the D&D, at least in my eyes.
Of course, there's nothing in the works for them, but I'd still looooove to see one!
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That would be amazing. Love that class, as well.
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How long was the HR in preview shard before they released it?
IIRC, it was on Preview for test for a month and a week before release.
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I suppose I could roll a throw-away toon to hold me over, but rerunning those lower-level introductory zones over and over can become a tedious grind.
They could release a 'stink cloud' class at this point and I'd jump on it.
Two of those are classes. The other two are wizard variants.
Paladin would be great, since it's a tank/healer.
Bard
Not just you but we have only 1 option to chose
I like magic and close combat class .This is why i like druid and shifter . But what we need is a real tank like paladin . Sadly i dont see Blackguard in 4e .