But if you buy after the 14. then? 25% more for the same pack!
Is this your money? Then let each one choose how to spend it!
Ummm, no - that would be 33% more. I know: math is finicky.
As for the comment about "laughing at someone with more mont than brains" - you sound envious. Whatever. Sure the Dev/Marketing people are watching this thread. It's real easy to just poo-poo things proclaiming "too expensive, I'll never buy it!" But some of you will.
Hey Devs: I'm in. I'm thinking to roll a fresh Dragonborn Warlock on Armored Polar Bear Mount. This is a nice surprise announcement that I certainly didnt see coming. Bravo!!
Oh wait - I guess that means I have more cash than brains. So be it. At least I'll be having fun and my monetary support helps keep the game free for the rest of you not willing to buy anything because it's all "too expensive". And you not buying anything is fine by me and there's nothing wrong with that.
Whoops! Who's laughing now? I don't know and I don't care because everything I do in neverwinter is for myself, not you. LOL
Dragon mount - Id buy instantly.... ALOT of ppl would.
Someone else earlier posted this, but if they cut the price to $50, theyd get more than double the sales id guarantee it! Do the math on that.... price cut by only 50% (from $75 to $50) but more than double sales? Even though the race is still MEH to me, id end up buying right now for $50.
It might of been me because I suggested that too.. My point was either make the pack worth the cost or readjust. They could of easily made this a $40 pack similar to the HR pack with the race included or actually make it worth $100.
If the online facebok game is any precursor, they will have feminine-like characteristics. In PnP though, yes they have "humanoid-like" female privates.
Quick word on the pricing of this if you're a European customer:
US Full Price = $99.99, US Sale Price = $74.99
Euro Full Price = €94.99, Euro Sale Price = €71.24
BUT, but what exchange rates are PWE/Cryptic using???
Based on the US full/sale prices it should be €74.25 and €55.69.
Basing the dollar price on the PWE/Cryptic Euro prices would make it $127.89 and $95.92.
An explanation for why virtual content should be so far out of whack would be nice. Maybe there is a sensible explanation but this just makes an overpriced and value-free (my opinion) pack (no pet/mount?!) even harder to bear. Seriously guys, fair much?
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l3g10nna1reMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 372Arc User
Thanks for the info. Have to say im pretty disappointed. Halflings make better tanks than Dragonborn... Ive seen it all!
Wonder if 5% more healing includes regen...
Really sad about Draconic Fury.... Look at 4e
"Dragonborn Fury: When you’re bloodied, you gain a +1 racial bonus to attack rolls." REALLY wish this was something like "When your under 50% HP, increases your power and Critical strike by 3%"
Would be much better than a 5% chance on hit for a 6 sec buff.....
These racials are really lackluster compared to Halforcs and Tieflings. However, they will make good clerics, 5% more on self-heals and finally a race which can get +2 to STR and WIS.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2014
Not to sound like a broken record, but isn't the Euro price higher because they have to charge VAT?
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Quite the contrary, actually. I would *not* want female dragonborn to have <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> - it just doesn't make sense. In fact, aren't most female reptiles larger than the males? I'd expect the difference to be mostly coloration, spines/frills or lack thereof...
No, i figured as much - just showing the sarcastic side. And I agree - seeing breast on a reptilian is ridiculous. Or, is the dragon-born race a hybrid of sorts?
Not to sound like a broken record, but isn't the Euro price higher because they have to charge VAT?
Yes, I had forgotten under EU law that non-EU businesses providing digital electronic commerce and entertainment products and services to EU countries are also required to register with the tax authorities in the relevant EU member state, and to collect VAT on their sales at the appropriate rate, according to the location of the purchaser.
Therefore (for me in UK, VAT is 20%) the full price should be $119.99 and €89.10 - $90.00 and €66.83.
Forget all the junk that comes with it, just give us a separate way to get the race, only part I care about in that pack!
Doubtful because they know this... Either 1) drop price or 2) Include like 2000-4000 zen to make this pack worth while....
What this does is essentially "forces" the purchase of zen which will help the ZAX - SOME....
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zhaofuoMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 129Bounty Hunter
edited July 2014
I failed to see the tag price of this pack by a whopping 100$.
You are not loosing anything by selling this commodity since this is a virtual item(infinite supply) by reducing the tagged price you would be able to entice more people to buy this thing yet you are putting it on the above average gamer.
Low Price = more people buying it = bigger income
High price = less people buying it = lesser income
people in PWE advertisement really need to get their head straight - they don't know the idea behind a simple economics
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2014
I was looking at the details on the pack a little further - regarding the fashion set(s), it says:
"For more dangerous situations, this tough outfit is perfect for a Dragonborn preparing for combat. The Dragonborn Warrior Fashion set also comes with a armor transmute item. These are an account-wide unlock. Each character on your account can acquire a Dragonborn Warrior Fashion set and transmutable Head item from the Dragonborn Legend Pack."
Is the "transmutable Head item" something else not shown? Will it and the other fashion sets be reclaimable over and over again?
Also, what are "Tears of Bahamut"? I only see the image for the pack that contains 5 of these tears...
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2) Include like 2000-4000 zen to make this pack worth while....
What this does is essentially "forces" the purchase of zen which will help the ZAX - SOME....
Interesting point, forgot the other two cheaper packs had 600K Astral Diamonds with them. Glad they did not do that (or should they...??) or the exchange would be further clogged. Suspect that no Zen would ever be included other than their current pay-for-Zen business model but I must admit I do like the idea of including Zen in the pack.
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obsiddiaMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,025Arc User
edited July 2014
I really wanted to be Dragonborn, and pushed for it on the live feed...
but I can't afford both the race and owning a dragon mount or companion.
If you'd have included even a green level dragon mount or companion I'd have jumped on it.
As it is, I'll be saving up for those, instead.
Did you really think anyone could steal the power of the god of thieves?
Seriously though, whoever prices this stuff needs a serious reality check. If they charged $20 (give or take $5) for the race by itself, I feel like they'd make way more money than charging $75-$100 on this bag of bologna.
I pretty much agree...I'd like the race, just for RP purposes, but have zero interest in the rest...so, I'm not buying this. I have spent some serious $$$ on things I like in Neverwinter...this is not one of those.
Hoping for improvements...
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
These things are just watered down Draconians from Dragonlance.
Actually, they are related to them as Draconians are an off-shoot species of Dragonborn now.
Also, here's an excerpt from WotC on Dragonborn:
A dragon requires the blessing of Bahamut or Tiamat to give birth to true dragons. If a dragon has a clutch of eggs that hasn't received the proper blessing, the hatchlings are not true dragons, but dragonborn. A dragonborn is a Medium humanoid with a scaly hide, clawed hands and feet, and draconic features (albeit no tail or wings). Its features resemble its draconic parents'. A dragonborn with red dragon parents, for example, has red scales and the distinctive horns and cheek frills of a red dragon.
In some worlds, dragonborn are a race unto themselves, having interbred for so long that they have taken on a more uniform appearance, with scales of reddish-brown or gold.
As with any race, they have multiple ancestry stories, which are all told in the 4e Player's Handbook Races - Dragonborn supplement. However, they are all similar in that they are not full blooded dragons and have humanoid characteristics which results in a humanoid dragon creature.
xianclinnMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2014
This is how free to play works. 10% of the players pay. 90 percent freeload and don't pay a thing. So the company, not just Cryptic, jacks up the prices as high as possible, where items will still sell (whether lower prices would net the more money is another debate, I think they would make more). So they overcharge the 10%, to make up for the 90% who freeload.
So the options are really simple. Only play sub based games or just play and don't buy anything you find to be too much.
Or set a limit of say 14.99 a month, and treat it like a sub.
Low Price = more people buying it = bigger income
High price = less people buying it = lesser income
people in PWE advertisement really need to get their head straight - they don't know the idea behind a simple economics
Or maybe they actually do. Remember that there is a sweet spot at which the price per unit times quantity sold maximizes profit: Lowering price significantly below that point will hurt revenue because you aren't gaining enough sales to compensate thanks to saturation among the target buyers. As a simple example, every time you cut a price in half, you have to *double* the units sold to just break even (and that is assuming an item with zero production cost like this one). It could just be that their market analysis indicated that $100 is the ideal value for maximizing price x units.
Or maybe they actually do. Remember that there is a sweet spot at which the price per unit times quantity sold maximizes profit: Lowering price significantly below that point will hurt revenue because you aren't gaining enough sales to compensate thanks to saturation among the target buyers. As a simple example, every time you cut a price in half, you have to *double* the units sold to just break even (and that is assuming an item with zero production cost like this one). It could just be that their market analysis indicated that $100 is the ideal value for maximizing price x units.
$75 is not the sweet spot, given the mediocre contents of this pack.
And whatever $$$ they spent for the designer on those fashion sets was lit on fire anyway.
Or maybe they actually do. Remember that there is a sweet spot at which the price per unit times quantity sold maximizes profit: Lowering price significantly below that point will hurt revenue because you aren't gaining enough sales to compensate thanks to saturation among the target buyers. As a simple example, every time you cut a price in half, you have to *double* the units sold to just break even (and that is assuming an item with zero production cost like this one). It could just be that their market analysis indicated that $100 is the ideal value for maximizing price x units.
I don't buy it. I just don't see how this is an ideal price point. I know countless people that love to buy things like races in f2p mmo's but none of them would consider paying this much even with the perks added in.
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Ummm, no - that would be 33% more. I know: math is finicky.
As for the comment about "laughing at someone with more mont than brains" - you sound envious. Whatever. Sure the Dev/Marketing people are watching this thread. It's real easy to just poo-poo things proclaiming "too expensive, I'll never buy it!" But some of you will.
Hey Devs: I'm in. I'm thinking to roll a fresh Dragonborn Warlock on Armored Polar Bear Mount. This is a nice surprise announcement that I certainly didnt see coming. Bravo!!
Oh wait - I guess that means I have more cash than brains. So be it. At least I'll be having fun and my monetary support helps keep the game free for the rest of you not willing to buy anything because it's all "too expensive". And you not buying anything is fine by me and there's nothing wrong with that.
Whoops! Who's laughing now? I don't know and I don't care because everything I do in neverwinter is for myself, not you. LOL
It might of been me because I suggested that too.. My point was either make the pack worth the cost or readjust. They could of easily made this a $40 pack similar to the HR pack with the race included or actually make it worth $100.
This made me LOL more at work. hehehehe privates.
US Full Price = $99.99, US Sale Price = $74.99
Euro Full Price = €94.99, Euro Sale Price = €71.24
BUT, but what exchange rates are PWE/Cryptic using???
Based on the US full/sale prices it should be €74.25 and €55.69.
Basing the dollar price on the PWE/Cryptic Euro prices would make it $127.89 and $95.92.
An explanation for why virtual content should be so far out of whack would be nice. Maybe there is a sensible explanation but this just makes an overpriced and value-free (my opinion) pack (no pet/mount?!) even harder to bear. Seriously guys, fair much?
ZEB Your kidding me ? THose things are from dnd Lore.....
That seems more in line with Snake than Dragon....
A bikini on a lizard lady ? So confused now
Very well, from the 4e PHB Deluxe:
Those two images were of a Dragonborn Female Rogue.
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Hmmmmm
Have you ever seen the Male/Female Draconic race from Tera/Tera Rising
Now that's a Dragon born!!!!!!
These guys looks like Steve Rogers before he became captain america Ha-Ha
These things are just watered down Draconians from Dragonlance.
These racials are really lackluster compared to Halforcs and Tieflings. However, they will make good clerics, 5% more on self-heals and finally a race which can get +2 to STR and WIS.
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Therefore (for me in UK, VAT is 20%) the full price should be $119.99 and €89.10 - $90.00 and €66.83.
Still off.
Doubtful because they know this... Either 1) drop price or 2) Include like 2000-4000 zen to make this pack worth while....
What this does is essentially "forces" the purchase of zen which will help the ZAX - SOME....
You are not loosing anything by selling this commodity since this is a virtual item(infinite supply) by reducing the tagged price you would be able to entice more people to buy this thing yet you are putting it on the above average gamer.
Low Price = more people buying it = bigger income
High price = less people buying it = lesser income
people in PWE advertisement really need to get their head straight - they don't know the idea behind a simple economics
"For more dangerous situations, this tough outfit is perfect for a Dragonborn preparing for combat. The Dragonborn Warrior Fashion set also comes with a armor transmute item. These are an account-wide unlock. Each character on your account can acquire a Dragonborn Warrior Fashion set and transmutable Head item from the Dragonborn Legend Pack."
Is the "transmutable Head item" something else not shown? Will it and the other fashion sets be reclaimable over and over again?
Also, what are "Tears of Bahamut"? I only see the image for the pack that contains 5 of these tears...
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
Official NW_Legit_Community Forums
Interesting point, forgot the other two cheaper packs had 600K Astral Diamonds with them. Glad they did not do that (or should they...??) or the exchange would be further clogged. Suspect that no Zen would ever be included other than their current pay-for-Zen business model but I must admit I do like the idea of including Zen in the pack.
but I can't afford both the race and owning a dragon mount or companion.
If you'd have included even a green level dragon mount or companion I'd have jumped on it.
As it is, I'll be saving up for those, instead.
Agreed!!!!!!!!
I pretty much agree...I'd like the race, just for RP purposes, but have zero interest in the rest...so, I'm not buying this. I have spent some serious $$$ on things I like in Neverwinter...this is not one of those.
Actually, they are related to them as Draconians are an off-shoot species of Dragonborn now.
Also, here's an excerpt from WotC on Dragonborn:
As with any race, they have multiple ancestry stories, which are all told in the 4e Player's Handbook Races - Dragonborn supplement. However, they are all similar in that they are not full blooded dragons and have humanoid characteristics which results in a humanoid dragon creature.
[ Support Center • Rules & Policies and Guidelines • ARC ToS • Guild Recruitment Guidelines | FR DM Since 1993 ]
So the options are really simple. Only play sub based games or just play and don't buy anything you find to be too much.
Or set a limit of say 14.99 a month, and treat it like a sub.
And some good examples of dragon born in 4th
Guardian fighter
Trickster Rogue
Different class mixed group Melee
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Not sure as heavy armor and two weapons, wait its a fighter.
These are draconians from dragon lance
And this is Sir twich of the Great oak Squirrel Paladin "both of which are not playable yet"
$75 is not the sweet spot, given the mediocre contents of this pack.
And whatever $$$ they spent for the designer on those fashion sets was lit on fire anyway.
I don't buy it. I just don't see how this is an ideal price point. I know countless people that love to buy things like races in f2p mmo's but none of them would consider paying this much even with the perks added in.