This is spot-on, though it does omit some of the reasons a "whale" might have so much discretionary cash and it's rather disingenuous to suggest we "have more money than sense". I can assure you I weigh my purchases carefully - in this case (the buying decision process) is a matter of perceived value. If I perceive the value as being worth the asking price then I will consider how much my want warrants the purchase.
I realise that was a bit strongly worded, but it wasn't meant as an attack on anyone. To compare, if someone spends a million bucks on a car, most people would say that's an irresponsible way to spend your money. And yet, there are people who do just that and I wouldn't want to imply that they shouldn't do so. I was just pointing out that to the average player it seems entirely nonsensical to spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on a free game. I just meant to illustrate that there is a huge gap between the spending of a whale and what the "average" player deems rational, to the point that there is a relatively very tiny minority spending so much money that they're worth singling out over the many who can't or won't spend as much.
While I certainly believe that you're intelligent enough to think through a purchase before making it, it seems quite obvious that your decisions are influenced by more factors than the per-item value of the pack. Simply put, your "perceived value" is significantly higher than the value of this pack as can be inferred by comparing it to other packs and cash shop items (which is again different from the player-desired cost of such a pack - there are many players who would never be happy unless the pack was free!). I don't want to guess too much as to what a whale's reasons might be, because whether it's a lust for digital status symbols, addiction, boredom, having more money than you known what to do with, or any other nonsense I might imagine... It's none of my business and, more to the point, not really relevant to what I was saying.
The last thing I want to do is to turn this into an argument on what is the right or wrong way to spend your money. I have no right to tell others that, and I certainly didn't intend to do so. I hope that I clarified my, perhaps overly confrontational, choice of words a bit.
If people actually see any perceived value in something like a title or the exclusivity of being publicly recognized as being mug enough to pay for an overpriced pack, it's not a Dragonborn Pack they need, it's treatment, quite frankly. I mean, "Founder" Title? What absolute, ego massaging nonsense. I find it hard to believe that a fully grown, mentally stable adult would set any store in that sort of thing at all. 8 to 12 years old? Yes, sort of like trading base ball cards and stuff; I get that as it is the sort of childish, juvenile thing little boys get into; but a tax-paying, grown-up adult who is allowed to vote?
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+1
I laughed, nodded, and then thought how sad the state of the MMO has become (in terms of being able to sell cosmetic things that have no effect on gameplay whatsoever).
Please separate titles and similar fluff into cosmetic packs, and have races and/or gear placed in independent packs, or a la carte.
I have a ??? if i buy the Dragon pack do i keep whats in it! Like the Greater Blue Dragon Glyph!!! it said Combat time Remaining :2:00:00 whats that mean it will Disapear if that so i wont buy it! becouse that will be a waist of time and money!! plz answer and what would you do!!
I have a ??? if i buy the Dragon pack do i keep whats in it! Like the Greater Blue Dragon Glyph!!! it said Combat time Remaining :2:00:00 whats that mean it will Disapear if that so i wont buy it! becouse that will be a waist of time and money!! plz answer and what would you do!!
Yes it expires and you'll need to get another mark. They should be fairly common from the new content. Also people generally don't like when you necro old threads and would rather you made another thread.
i think it's a safe bet that there are male and female dragonborn since all other races have male and female options. :]
They still need to show them to people they are trying to sell them to. They're currently asking people who may want to play a female dragonborn to make a blind purchase
Edit: A blind purchase for 75$ that will be jacked up to 100$ when the content is released.
If you'd read the entire thread, it's very obvious that they'd make more money by lowering the price to around 50$
I have read the entire thread, and still stand by my statement. Many people say they would buy it at 50$, but there is a difference between saying and doing. It is certainly not obvious that double the number of people would by the pack at half price. Perhaps they would sell more packs at half price, but would they make the same amount of money?
Whether or not any one purchases the pack in the end it is how someone wishes to spend their entertainment money. One could argue that any money spent on entertainment is a wasteful expense. If a person feels entertained they will spend money to be able to enjoy it, if the entertainment is lacking, then the money won't be spent. It is a matter of perceived value. To compare it to another medium, I would gladly spend money on a von Aachen, Caravaggio, or Dürer; but not on a Renoir, Monet, or a Picasso.
In the end we will all see how successful their marketing campaign was by the number of Dragonborn we see running around in the first couple of days of the new module.
Race Change Token
Just the ONE?
But who would change the race of a level 60 character without a complete re-roll of stats anyway? Pointless.
Extra Character Slot
Just the ONE?
30 Slot Bag
Just the ONE per Account?
Meh - If it were one for EACH character that would be worth something and might help justify the price.
BoP to Account so you cannot put it on the AH would be fine with me.
Heart of the Red Dragon Artifact
I have 12 characters and 2 free slots, plus another free slot with this pack - so ALL 15 of them can get this Artefact?
Ring of Dragon Slaying
All characters get this, and it works like a Mulhorand Item?
So it might be useful for low level characters, but all your level 60s will already have much better rings?
Bahamut Regalia
Only ONE set of these, but I don't even understand what they are and what they do.
It looks like one is a level-dependent Belt like a Mulhorand, and one is a Cloak Transmutation, but the others are some sort of kit.
Can you salvage then when you get better armour, or "Once Use, Always Wasted"?
Dragonborn Warrior Fashion
ALL characters get this but it is worthless?
Dragonborn Ceremonial Fashion
ALL characters get this but it is worthless?
Draconic Enchantment
Only ONE of these per Account?
OK, otherwise people would spam new characters and put them on the AH
ArPen, Pow and Rec are nice, though.
But with 3-Way Split Enchants, you usually need three Rank 10 to make up for not having one Rank 10 Dark, Radiant and Silvery, for +300 each.
Gemfinder Enchantment
Only ONE of these per Account, and it is sort of like a Tymora's Luckstone for Enchants?
And we all know how great they are.
Dragon Glyphs
Just ONE set of these?
But what do they do? Do they work like potions and then disappear?
When do they start ticking down?
For me, this pack would be worth £45 full price (same as KotF on Steam) IF it had:
Two Extra Character Slots
(I want to try a Warlock and a Druid when it's out)
One 30 Slot Bagper Character, BoP to Character
I already have 12 Greater Bags of Holding, mostly bought from the AH for well under 300k AD, so I won't be buying any more at the currently inflated price and never for 1000 Zen. But one 30-Slot bag per character would be a great selling point for me.
Even if they were BoP to character.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Still no female dragonborn on the promotional material.
If PnP is a clue of worth; Dragonborn were first created from devoted humans by the Dragon Gods. As such, they are warm blooded like mammals and have male and female anatomy, respectively. Of course, this is just one of three of their creation myths, but the warm blooded and anatomy facts remain true.
If PnP is a clue of worth; Dragonborn were first created from devoted humans by the Dragon Gods. As such, they are warm blooded like mammals and have male and female anatomy, respectively. Of course, this is just one of three of their creation myths, but the warm blooded and anatomy facts remain true.
We really shouldn't have to try to piece together what cryptic's interpretation of female dragonborn is from the lore and guesswork. Especially when making a seventy five dollar purchase.
Uh also every link but Draconic 101 on that post 404s.
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Race Change Token
Just the ONE?
But who would change the race of a level 60 character without a complete re-roll of stats anyway? Pointless.
They're calling it a "Race Change" token, but it lets you changes almost everything except class and background info. They will be available in the Zen store for an as-yet undisclosed price. And they'll enable people to re-roll stats without changing race too.
Overload enchants tick down like Black Ice empowerment, only while in combat. But yeah, 10 total hours of buffs is not a solid selling point.
They're calling it a "Race Change" token, but it lets you changes almost everything except class and background info. They will be available in the Zen store for an as-yet undisclosed price. And they'll enable people to re-roll stats without changing race too.
So it works like a Retraining Token, except you can change the initial dice rolls as well, rather than just re-distribute attribute points?
IE, re-roll the character's original attribute points? Not just change where you put the Racial Bonus and Attribute Points received on level-up?
The only thing the Re-Training Token cannot do is change initial dice rolls, Class and Race.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited July 2014
Yes, you can reroll the initial attributes. I could have phrased that more clearly.
Saying "higher prices" makes it sound like Cryptic (or any reseller) is intentionally raising your price just because you're in Eurozone.
But I'm not in the Eurozone. I live in Iceland. We are not in the EU. We do not use the Euro. We do not have the whole EU legal system here. To us, the Euro is just as much of a foreign currency as the US $. Still, not only am I forced to pay in Euros, I am also forced to pay a higher price, just because I happen to live in Europe.
If PnP is a clue of worth; Dragonborn were first created from devoted humans by the Dragon Gods. As such, they are warm blooded like mammals and have male and female anatomy, respectively. Of course, this is just one of three of their creation myths, but the warm blooded and anatomy facts remain true.
Dragons are warm blooded like mammals, and yet don't have obvious male and female anatomy (much more 'hidden').
Dragonborn, as draconian creatures who also have breath weapons and lay eggs like dragons, should have the same 'hidden' anatomy, from a physiological perspective.
Dragons are warm blooded like mammals, and yet don't have obvious male and female anatomy (much more 'hidden').
Dragonborn, as draconian creatures who also have breath weapons and lay eggs like dragons, should have the same 'hidden' anatomy, from a physiological perspective.
That was a huge discussion when 4E hit the shelves. Many people were not happy that female Dragonborn had <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, yet WotC never changed it and Cryptic will stick with it (They are probably not even allowed to deviate from official WotC art).
By the way, this "devoted human" background do not apply to these dragonborn. That was the explanation for them in the 3rd edition which was not kept with the 4th edition which this game is based on.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
We really shouldn't have to try to piece together what cryptic's interpretation of female dragonborn is from the lore and guesswork. Especially when making a seventy five dollar purchase.
Uh also every link but Draconic 101 on that post 404s.
There is no need to piece anything together. The evidence is there, there's source lore that reinforces it and even PHB depictions of Dragonborn Females with human anatomy. Even the Facebook Game, Heroes of Neverwinter (an official D&D FR Game) has female Dragonborn with feminine anatomy.
As I said before, keep in mind that the first and oldest Dragonborn legend of their creation (source lore) has them created by Io from his most devoted human followers into Humanoid Dragons, resulting in warm-blooded dragon-kin with human-like anatomy. Even the other two creation myths (source lore) doesn't discount this and compliments this part of the oldest mythos of their creation.
As for the Links, Wizards of the Coast just restructured their web-site and as such, many articles are now lost in the nether. Check the thread I posted as I copied in google caches of the pages for the time being.
By the way, this "devoted human" background do not apply to these dragonborn. That was the explanation for them in the 3rd edition which was not kept with the 4th edition which this game is based on.
The 4th Edition Book, Player's Handbook Races - Dragonborn, disagrees with you as does other source material. While true, that book doesn't out-right state that, it does hint at it many times through out and even the second picture of Dragonborn there-in are of a male and female, with the female having obvious <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and a feminine quality to their appearance.
As long as there is no picture thats exactly what you are doing with all the lore references.
Nay, I am informing you of the evidence that is there. There is no need to "piece" it together as it is all right there, for anyone to see. If I had to piece it together, I would need to research data, pull excerpts and collaborate proof. None of that is needed as it is all blatantly obvious.
Nay, I am informing you of the evidence that is there. There is no need to "piece" it together as it is all right there, for anyone to see. If I had to piece it together, I would need to research data, pull excerpts and collaborate proof. None of that is needed as it is all blatantly obvious.
The only thing that is obvious is that there are females and that they very likely will have <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> (or maybe not and the picture we have already show female dragonborn). Thats it. We still have no idea what female dragonborn look like in the game (if they are included at all) and Cryptic still expects people to buy half a cat in a bag for quite a steep price.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited July 2014
Yeah, people want to know what the art asset is going to look like before they buy it, and all the lore in the world isn't going to tell them that.
The race isn't going to be restricted to just males. That would be weird. They just haven't included any illustrations. I'm pretty sure the one fashion picture is just plain wrong, or the description is ridiculously misleading, and there's a bunch of other information that isn't included in the "detailed" pack description either.
As it stands, I might buy it if/when there's a sale again, but I can't justify it now because what I do know about it is inadequate and nobody is stepping up to clarify.
zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited July 2014
. . . I'll see if I can talk them into releasing more screenshots of the Dragonborn as soon as possible. I cannot promise anything as I am sure much of the data they plan to release prior to them going into Preview Testing is already planned out by Marketing. Just keep in mind what was said by CBruce on Reddit:
. . . As for the other half of this thread's topic, here's the full post he made about the Dragonborn Legend Pack:
We've got to charge for something. Vast majority of our players don't pay anything to play the game. Small percentage pay something, and an even smaller percentage of them will pay a lot. We have to put things in the game to cater to the group of hardcore players with a lot of disposable income. They're huge subsidizers of every one else in the game. Paying for things like Dragonborn as a race is what gets you guys things like Scourge Warlock as a class for "free".
Finding that balance between something unique, desirable, and valuable and putting a hefty pricetag on it versus all of everything else that we give away for free...it's a tough business. One for which (despite what many here might think) there is no correct answer. Some people get upset, some people quit the game, some people love it and throw buckets of money. For every 100 people that refuse to pay for it or threaten to quit the game, there's 2 or 3 who'd happily fork over twice as much.
I think we've been pretty true to our core philosophy of not gating content behind a paywall. If people can't play the game, they're not going to pay for it. New adventure zones, classes, all that jazz. Is a new race "content"? Are mounts and companions? Tough questions. We don't even agree internally. A number of us here don't feel great about charging for a new race, but I think it's fair. That's just business. It costs money to maintain a game like this and create new content. We like to have money to pay for food, clothing, and shelter for our families too. Hell, we've got people working at Cryptic who have paid money into Neverwinter. I bought zen myself once. As an employee, I get a limited amount for free, and I still spent some money to get content that I helped make. Jack's probably dumped thousands into our games.
F2P games are an insane business. They defy conventional and seemingly common sense ideas about how games should be monetized. Our regular business updates and earnings baffles me. And despite what everyone might thinks, PWE doesn't actually dictate how we monetize our game. They certainly offer advice. They provide examples of other games, what they're doing, how it works out for them. But we've demonstrated unique strategies for our games that they take lessons from as well. Every market and game is different. And it's constantly evolving as the game evolves and players cycle in and out. What made the most money at launch isn't what makes the most money today. And it's not likely to be what makes the most money a year from now. So it's really up to us to figure it all out. PWE is way more hands off than WotC. WotC can be very particular about the D&D IP.
So buy, don't buy. I hope it doesn't drive you away from the game. We like all of our players. Even the ones not paying anything. They provide life and community. I wish we could give everyone everything they wanted for free, but then we'd be out of business and no one would get anything.
It's a tough gig.
You personally might like a subscription option (and indeed some of our other games have a hybrid business model), but I believe that overall the conversion to F2P is what best fits the current MMO market.
What you see as "penalizing" others see the opposite. People paying a subscription might feel slighted when the content released for "free" isn't content they want. I'm not familiar with TERA, but I'm willing to bet that what you classify as "real mechanics advantage" is probably heavily debated amongst their community.
Gabe's analogy presents two stark options that result in the same thing, when in reality it's a lot more complicated than that. There's some moving target somewhere in the middle that's more than either end of the spectrum; a 10,000 players paying $150 sweet spot that every business strives to hit. To that effect, there are whole complex formulas, guidelines, and metrics designed to maximize the total amount of revenue coming in.
It's different for everything. As I said, each of our games has a slightly different business model and revenue stream and even Neverwinter has evolved over time (and will likely continue to evolve)
Safe travels,
Archmage Zebular of Mystryl PWE Community Moderator
. . . As for the other half of this thread's topic, here's the full post he made about the Dragonborn Legend Pack:
The usual marketing bs which completely ignores the actual issue people have.
It is not that dragonborn cost money, but that you can't buy them alone and are forced to buy them together with loads of other <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> many people do not want for a price exceeding complete AAA video games.
But I guess Cryptic simply wants to sell Dragonborn for $70 for their profits and are just disguising that by throwing in the other stuff to make the offer look more valuable. Its not as if virtual goods cost them anything.
They should take an example from STO where packs really means "package of stuff you could also buy separately".
After reading CBruce's posts, it seems like this Dragonborn pack is more of an experiment designed to see how many people will pay for cosmetic-oriented packs that don't include the usual mount and companion.
Who knows, they may come to believe it's a failed experiment, or not.
zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited July 2014
Well met everyone,
. . . We've poked, prodded and started to open a portal to the Elemental Chaos... Thankfully, Dwight sensed the chaos magic and cast a time stop spell just in time to give us some answers:
. . . There will be Female Dragonborn and they will have feminine anatomy, as depicted in Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition. However, the female art for the Dragonborn is not quite ready to be showcased at this time.
Safe travels,
Archmage Zebular of Mystryl PWE Community Moderator
Note the date listed for the sale: July 22nd. That's two days ago. Do you see it for sale anywhere? Charge Rewards are being ignored. And they have another 'spend your zen for rewards' promotion going. I don't think everyone's operating off the same schedule over there anymore.
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dheffernanMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
edited July 2014
I'd already seen the reddit posts and frankly, they insult my intelligence.
@Venture-1@Venture from City of Heroes if you remember that far back. Yes, *that* Venture. Yes, I probably trashed your MA arc. For me it was Tuesday.
It is not that dragonborn cost money, but that you can't buy them alone and are forced to buy them together with loads of other <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> many people do not want for a price exceeding complete AAA video games.
This is the only thing I'd really like to see addressed. I truly don't care what they charge for the pack they have going now, I just want to be able to buy the Dragonborn race separately. It's been made abundantly clear in this thread that this is the primary issue players have, which was completely ignored by the quoted reddit post above.
So, is Cryptic going to give any word at all on being able to purchase the Dragonborn race as an individual item?
Hope so, rather than giving pat non-responses such as the one above. If I'm not mistaken most posters in this thread agree that we'd absolutely buy it on it's own. I know I would. Given the dismissive "buy, don't buy" comment at the end of the reddit post, however, I'm not holding my breath.
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This is the only thing I'd really like to see addressed. I truly don't care what they charge for the pack they have going now, I just want to be able to buy the Dragonborn race separately. It's been made abundantly clear in this thread that this is the primary issue players have, which was completely ignored by the quoted reddit post above.
So, is Cryptic going to give any word at all on being able to purchase the Dragonborn race as an individual item?
Hope so, rather than giving pat non-responses such as the one above. If I'm not mistaken most posters in this thread agree that we'd absolutely buy it on it's own. I know I would. Given the dismissive "buy, don't buy" comment at the end of the reddit post, however, I'm not holding my breath.
I bought the full pack already and I wouldn't mind it if, and I suspect they *will* eventually release a "race-only" purchasable pack. The trick is that they have to determine the itemized value of each item in the pack to derive the sales price for the race only. But who am I to surmise on this stuff? I am told (earlier in the thread) that I and people like me have more money than sense.
Okay, then so be it. But apparently I'm still a lot happier than a lot of people here and I'll take happy over...whatever angst this is any day of the week.
I am willing to bet real money (whoops, more money, no sense again) that they will release a race-only option later.
I'd already seen the reddit posts and frankly, they insult my intelligence.
LOL! And this speaks volumes about you. Let's see: Price things that only 2% will buy so 98% can play for free - or go out of business and no game exists at all. Things that make you go hmmmm.
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I realise that was a bit strongly worded, but it wasn't meant as an attack on anyone. To compare, if someone spends a million bucks on a car, most people would say that's an irresponsible way to spend your money. And yet, there are people who do just that and I wouldn't want to imply that they shouldn't do so. I was just pointing out that to the average player it seems entirely nonsensical to spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on a free game. I just meant to illustrate that there is a huge gap between the spending of a whale and what the "average" player deems rational, to the point that there is a relatively very tiny minority spending so much money that they're worth singling out over the many who can't or won't spend as much.
While I certainly believe that you're intelligent enough to think through a purchase before making it, it seems quite obvious that your decisions are influenced by more factors than the per-item value of the pack. Simply put, your "perceived value" is significantly higher than the value of this pack as can be inferred by comparing it to other packs and cash shop items (which is again different from the player-desired cost of such a pack - there are many players who would never be happy unless the pack was free!). I don't want to guess too much as to what a whale's reasons might be, because whether it's a lust for digital status symbols, addiction, boredom, having more money than you known what to do with, or any other nonsense I might imagine... It's none of my business and, more to the point, not really relevant to what I was saying.
The last thing I want to do is to turn this into an argument on what is the right or wrong way to spend your money. I have no right to tell others that, and I certainly didn't intend to do so. I hope that I clarified my, perhaps overly confrontational, choice of words a bit.
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I laughed, nodded, and then thought how sad the state of the MMO has become (in terms of being able to sell cosmetic things that have no effect on gameplay whatsoever).
Please separate titles and similar fluff into cosmetic packs, and have races and/or gear placed in independent packs, or a la carte.
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Yes it expires and you'll need to get another mark. They should be fairly common from the new content. Also people generally don't like when you necro old threads and would rather you made another thread.
i think it's a safe bet that there are male and female dragonborn since all other races have male and female options. :]
They still need to show them to people they are trying to sell them to. They're currently asking people who may want to play a female dragonborn to make a blind purchase
Edit: A blind purchase for 75$ that will be jacked up to 100$ when the content is released.
Whether or not any one purchases the pack in the end it is how someone wishes to spend their entertainment money. One could argue that any money spent on entertainment is a wasteful expense. If a person feels entertained they will spend money to be able to enjoy it, if the entertainment is lacking, then the money won't be spent. It is a matter of perceived value. To compare it to another medium, I would gladly spend money on a von Aachen, Caravaggio, or Dürer; but not on a Renoir, Monet, or a Picasso.
In the end we will all see how successful their marketing campaign was by the number of Dragonborn we see running around in the first couple of days of the new module.
Race Change Token
Just the ONE?
But who would change the race of a level 60 character without a complete re-roll of stats anyway? Pointless.
Extra Character Slot
Just the ONE?
30 Slot Bag
Just the ONE per Account?
Meh - If it were one for EACH character that would be worth something and might help justify the price.
BoP to Account so you cannot put it on the AH would be fine with me.
Heart of the Red Dragon Artifact
I have 12 characters and 2 free slots, plus another free slot with this pack - so ALL 15 of them can get this Artefact?
Ring of Dragon Slaying
All characters get this, and it works like a Mulhorand Item?
So it might be useful for low level characters, but all your level 60s will already have much better rings?
Bahamut Regalia
Only ONE set of these, but I don't even understand what they are and what they do.
It looks like one is a level-dependent Belt like a Mulhorand, and one is a Cloak Transmutation, but the others are some sort of kit.
Can you salvage then when you get better armour, or "Once Use, Always Wasted"?
Dragonborn Warrior Fashion
ALL characters get this but it is worthless?
Dragonborn Ceremonial Fashion
ALL characters get this but it is worthless?
Draconic Enchantment
Only ONE of these per Account?
OK, otherwise people would spam new characters and put them on the AH
ArPen, Pow and Rec are nice, though.
But with 3-Way Split Enchants, you usually need three Rank 10 to make up for not having one Rank 10 Dark, Radiant and Silvery, for +300 each.
Gemfinder Enchantment
Only ONE of these per Account, and it is sort of like a Tymora's Luckstone for Enchants?
And we all know how great they are.
Dragon Glyphs
Just ONE set of these?
But what do they do? Do they work like potions and then disappear?
When do they start ticking down?
For me, this pack would be worth £45 full price (same as KotF on Steam) IF it had:
Two Extra Character Slots
(I want to try a Warlock and a Druid when it's out)
One 30 Slot Bag per Character, BoP to Character
I already have 12 Greater Bags of Holding, mostly bought from the AH for well under 300k AD, so I won't be buying any more at the currently inflated price and never for 1000 Zen. But one 30-Slot bag per character would be a great selling point for me.
Even if they were BoP to character.
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We really shouldn't have to try to piece together what cryptic's interpretation of female dragonborn is from the lore and guesswork. Especially when making a seventy five dollar purchase.
Uh also every link but Draconic 101 on that post 404s.
They're calling it a "Race Change" token, but it lets you changes almost everything except class and background info. They will be available in the Zen store for an as-yet undisclosed price. And they'll enable people to re-roll stats without changing race too.
Overload enchants tick down like Black Ice empowerment, only while in combat. But yeah, 10 total hours of buffs is not a solid selling point.
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So it works like a Retraining Token, except you can change the initial dice rolls as well, rather than just re-distribute attribute points?
IE, re-roll the character's original attribute points? Not just change where you put the Racial Bonus and Attribute Points received on level-up?
The only thing the Re-Training Token cannot do is change initial dice rolls, Class and Race.
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But I'm not in the Eurozone. I live in Iceland. We are not in the EU. We do not use the Euro. We do not have the whole EU legal system here. To us, the Euro is just as much of a foreign currency as the US $. Still, not only am I forced to pay in Euros, I am also forced to pay a higher price, just because I happen to live in Europe.
Dragons are warm blooded like mammals, and yet don't have obvious male and female anatomy (much more 'hidden').
Dragonborn, as draconian creatures who also have breath weapons and lay eggs like dragons, should have the same 'hidden' anatomy, from a physiological perspective.
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That was a huge discussion when 4E hit the shelves. Many people were not happy that female Dragonborn had <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, yet WotC never changed it and Cryptic will stick with it (They are probably not even allowed to deviate from official WotC art).
By the way, this "devoted human" background do not apply to these dragonborn. That was the explanation for them in the 3rd edition which was not kept with the 4th edition which this game is based on.
As I said before, keep in mind that the first and oldest Dragonborn legend of their creation (source lore) has them created by Io from his most devoted human followers into Humanoid Dragons, resulting in warm-blooded dragon-kin with human-like anatomy. Even the other two creation myths (source lore) doesn't discount this and compliments this part of the oldest mythos of their creation.
As for the Links, Wizards of the Coast just restructured their web-site and as such, many articles are now lost in the nether. Check the thread I posted as I copied in google caches of the pages for the time being.
The 4th Edition Book, Player's Handbook Races - Dragonborn, disagrees with you as does other source material. While true, that book doesn't out-right state that, it does hint at it many times through out and even the second picture of Dragonborn there-in are of a male and female, with the female having obvious <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and a feminine quality to their appearance.
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As long as there is no picture thats exactly what you are doing with all the lore references.
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The only thing that is obvious is that there are females and that they very likely will have <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> (or maybe not and the picture we have already show female dragonborn). Thats it. We still have no idea what female dragonborn look like in the game (if they are included at all) and Cryptic still expects people to buy half a cat in a bag for quite a steep price.
The race isn't going to be restricted to just males. That would be weird. They just haven't included any illustrations. I'm pretty sure the one fashion picture is just plain wrong, or the description is ridiculously misleading, and there's a bunch of other information that isn't included in the "detailed" pack description either.
As it stands, I might buy it if/when there's a sale again, but I can't justify it now because what I do know about it is inadequate and nobody is stepping up to clarify.
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. . . As for the other half of this thread's topic, here's the full post he made about the Dragonborn Legend Pack:
. . . Here's his reply to a poster:
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The usual marketing bs which completely ignores the actual issue people have.
It is not that dragonborn cost money, but that you can't buy them alone and are forced to buy them together with loads of other <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> many people do not want for a price exceeding complete AAA video games.
But I guess Cryptic simply wants to sell Dragonborn for $70 for their profits and are just disguising that by throwing in the other stuff to make the offer look more valuable. Its not as if virtual goods cost them anything.
They should take an example from STO where packs really means "package of stuff you could also buy separately".
Who knows, they may come to believe it's a failed experiment, or not.
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. . . We've poked, prodded and started to open a portal to the Elemental Chaos... Thankfully, Dwight sensed the chaos magic and cast a time stop spell just in time to give us some answers:
. . . There will be Female Dragonborn and they will have feminine anatomy, as depicted in Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition. However, the female art for the Dragonborn is not quite ready to be showcased at this time.
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This is the only thing I'd really like to see addressed. I truly don't care what they charge for the pack they have going now, I just want to be able to buy the Dragonborn race separately. It's been made abundantly clear in this thread that this is the primary issue players have, which was completely ignored by the quoted reddit post above.
So, is Cryptic going to give any word at all on being able to purchase the Dragonborn race as an individual item?
Hope so, rather than giving pat non-responses such as the one above. If I'm not mistaken most posters in this thread agree that we'd absolutely buy it on it's own. I know I would. Given the dismissive "buy, don't buy" comment at the end of the reddit post, however, I'm not holding my breath.
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I bought the full pack already and I wouldn't mind it if, and I suspect they *will* eventually release a "race-only" purchasable pack. The trick is that they have to determine the itemized value of each item in the pack to derive the sales price for the race only. But who am I to surmise on this stuff? I am told (earlier in the thread) that I and people like me have more money than sense.
Okay, then so be it. But apparently I'm still a lot happier than a lot of people here and I'll take happy over...whatever angst this is any day of the week.
I am willing to bet real money (whoops, more money, no sense again) that they will release a race-only option later.
LOL! And this speaks volumes about you. Let's see: Price things that only 2% will buy so 98% can play for free - or go out of business and no game exists at all. Things that make you go hmmmm.