Had a look again at the Refinement system and the new quest which gives a ring and 4 lv 1 Enchantments to play with explained a hell of a lot. Was so confused with all my lv 4's 5's etc... Was impressed with the ease I made them lv 5. Good Job.
The bad side.
AD AD AD AD AD AD AD AD AD
I usually only make to rank 7.
So rank 6 to rank 7 has been estimated at 31,000AD + this is with 1 mark at 25k and 1.5 Wards. Realistically is likely 3 Wards. So 34k, (In my estimation) then of course the cost for lv 1-6 add another 4-5k (not really looking).
All in all, If I made 5 lv 7's a Month - 175k (35k total each) for the month. Today would cost me 35-70 k for Wards. About 105k + more on the new system.
You might say it only need 3 though - I say big woop - so now I make and extra 2 a month so 245k approximately.
Then you sell the Rank 7 in AH - and extra 45K on top each too cover expenses, time and 12.5% Commission and the buyer pays for it. But you want to keep some so it goes up 60K. They wont buy at that price and you are out of pocket. 100K (k = thousand) down the drain or around $2.5-$3.
Now, i Understand some people want the new system because it is cheaper for lv 8,9,10 etc... good on them. I completely understand.
For a person on a Budget though it is hard. I do put Zen into the game - Under $150 but more then $85.
These are for pleasurable items and even though I make a few AD through Professions, Dailies etc ..... A lot of my AD already goes on Wards - I buy approximately 30-40 (140k ad) a week (for some reason I can't let a lv 4 go without a ward, it would slow me down).
Adding up all of the enchanting I do at the moment - it would cost me an extra (rough estimate) 300k a week. In reality I have not got this type of money and I would not be storing Enchantment's and maybe make a lv 8. i would be selling them for the AD.
So it is just AD, AD, AD, AD, AD.. I really do not know if I will enchant and play the silly AD/Refinement game or just sell them as they come in and buy on AH what I want.
Now I think of it - All the money I could have if I didn't ward lv 4's + with only needing 3 to Refine it would mean more wards... Oh I do not know
Best of luck - that is my scenario.
Like I said at the beginning the new task rewards, to explain it was good. But I went and dropped like 400k on the Catalyst's and that was like all my AD and came out with 2 lv 5's and a 1/2 to next level Artifact LOL
Peace!
P.S. I also do those Surveys and that earns Neverwinter Money - but I am in A country where the rewards are quite small - 63 Zen is average - 1/2 of those earnings go towards Lock Box keys the other goes towards Wards - just to let you know!
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So rank 6 to rank 7 has been estimated at 31,000AD + this is with 1 mark at 25k and 1.5 Wards. Realistically is likely 3 Wards. So 34k, (In my estimation) then of course the cost for lv 1-6 add another 4-5k (not really looking).
You're aware that the "Mark of Potency" also do drop?
P.S. I also do those Surveys and that earns Neverwinter Money - but I am in A country where the rewards are quite small - 63 Zen is average - 1/2 of those earnings go towards Lock Box keys the other goes towards Wards - just to let you know!
I will not play a game that requires me to sell my personal information in order to be competative.
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Then you sell the Rank 7 in AH - and extra 45K on top each too cover expenses, time and 12.5% Commission and the buyer pays for it. But you want to keep some so it goes up 60K. They wont buy at that price and you are out of pocket. 100K (k = thousand) down the drain or around $2.5-$3.
Comissions are only 12.5% if you post from anywhere in the world that is neither the gateway or the auction house in PE. I could have sworn I read patch notes somewhere that stated that they were making it a flat 10% everywhere, but I'm having trouble locating that and haven't been using the AH to test (so I don't know if it's on live or preview).
edit: found it. And for some reason it's only on preview for now.
Type: Feedback
Category: Refinement Window, User Interface, Fun Factor A few suggestions in no particular order:
1. Remove the unnecessary step of clicking "Continue" after you already clicked "Upgrade" to start the process.
2. The speed is a lot better now, although I personally would like it even better if it was even faster.
3. Make the "fusing animation" a lot more fun.
Example:
Great work so far and I hope you take my suggestions into consideration.
^Just so you don't miss it after the big pic
Feedback: General My only complaint is that the high end resources needed to upgrade epic quality enchantments are not available to solo players. IMO, every resource should be a random drop and NOT dungeon content specific.
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Feedback: General My only complaint is that the high end resources needed to upgrade epic quality enchantments are not available to solo players. IMO, every resource should be a random drop and NOT dungeon content specific.
I haven't tried it myself, but from reading some thread I gathered, that the epic Marks of Potency do drop from the daily instances (and I would guess that they are solo instance) in Dread Spire.
I haven't tried it myself, but from reading some thread I gathered, that the epic Marks of Potency do drop from the daily instances (and I would guess that they are solo instance) in Dread Spire.
The artifact ones (greater mark of union, power, and stability) drop in the lairs, not the greater mark of potency.
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Feedback: General My only complaint is that the high end resources needed to upgrade epic quality enchantments are not available to solo players. IMO, every resource should be a random drop and NOT dungeon content specific.
Agreed.
Sadly, it's just not epics it's the rares as well.
So had 8 lv 5 Enchantments. All the same Silvery Enchants.
To get to level 6 - 3 of my enchantments + the 1 to be Refined was 100% Progression. Then the 25k Regent. SO 4 to go to level 6 and the 25k. I do not know where only 3 is needed comes into it. 3 + the 1 to upgrade is still 4.
Next 4 same thing but this time I am like 250 Point's over (so 250 points towards rank 7).
So 1 set was 100% the next set was like 105% progression - what gives? I understand it must be a bug.
Had a look at lv 6-7 - wanted 2 25k reagents.
At lower levels this is no where near cheaper. If I wanted a lv 6 I would not mind the 25K so much, but to make multiples is ridiculous.
P.S. Realized while eating (yum yum) To go from Rank 5-6 is 25k. Need 4 level 6's still for rank 7. So 100k total from lv 5 -6. Then 50k for the actual refinement to lv 7. That's 150,000 AD to take 16 lv 5's to 1 lv 7.
ATM the worst is 10 wards at 40k - but of course you still need them or you can loose the Reagent.
so really 160,000 AD just to have a Rank 7 Refined - ridiculous.
All that happened was the AD that was suppose to be spent at taking out Enchantments from an Item for the corporate scheme of things has been transplanted to Refinement.
I am shocked - And, Yes I know the Reagents can be a drop.
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Feedback: Refining Stones from leadership chests I tested the large chest of goods and the barrel. The chest only drops white pearls (1 at a time) and the the barrel only dropped minor mark of potency (2 at a time). At the very least the large chest of goods (which is blue quality) should be dropping green refining stones and marks. The barrel should also include the white pearl as a drop. They also both need to have their description updated to include the fact that they drop refining stones now.
I want to re-emphasize that the green marks should have a chance to drop from these leadership containers. For most players, by the time they are consistently able to obtain these chests and barrels, they will not have any need of white marks (used for upgrading rank 1 and 2). You can get rank 3s from your leadership boxes, for which you need the green marks to do anything with them. Leadership boxes also regularly drop other goods of uncommon quality.
I appreciate that marks can be won playing Sword Coast Adventures, but I wouldn't like to see that as the only reliable way of obtaining them outside the Wondrous Bazaar when the WB ones were promoted as an option, not something players would be required to buy.
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edited November 2013
@jintortle
You're doing it wrong, and that's why the feeding stage seems so expensive to you.
You don't make all your enchantments into 6s and then make those into 7s. You make one 5 into a 6. You feed it your rank 1-4s. You use far fewer enchantments doing this than you would making a bunch of 5s into 6s into 7s with a risk of losing a piece with every fuse. Also, refinement can crit (uhhh... incidentally, is this affected by player crit stat?), which allows you to use even fewer stones for refining, and they don't have to match (although you get best results if they do). The highest upgrades do call for a matching enchantment to use as a reagent, so you make a second 5to6to7, but you don't need to refine it to use as a reagent.
Using rank 5s and higher for refinement, you get fewer points out of them than if you'd left them as lower ranks, so you want to save those for upgrading.
Yes, the reagent costs do seem high right now, and it remains to be seen how accessible those will be from other sources than the WB.
@jintortle
You're doing it wrong, and that's why the feeding stage seems so expensive to you.
You don't make all your enchantments into 6s and then make those into 7s. You make one 5 into a 6. You feed it your rank 1-4s. You use far fewer enchantments doing this than you would making a bunch of 5s into 6s into 7s with a risk of losing a piece with every fuse. Also, refinement can crit (uhhh... incidentally, is this affected by player crit stat?), which allows you to use even fewer stones for refining, and they don't have to match (although you get best results if they do). The highest upgrades do call for a matching enchantment to use as a reagent, so you make a second 5to6to7, but you don't need to refine it to use as a reagent.
Using rank 5s and higher for refinement, you get fewer points out of them than if you'd left them as lower ranks, so you want to save those for upgrading.
Yes, the reagent costs do seem high right now, and it remains to be seen how accessible those will be from other sources than the WB.
The critical success add 50% to the gained Rp. A 15 RP value get with crit 22. A 30 45 and so on. This answer lot of asks.
@jintortle
You're doing it wrong, and that's why the feeding stage seems so expensive to you.
You don't make all your enchantments into 6s and then make those into 7s. You make one 5 into a 6. You feed it your rank 1-4s. You use far fewer enchantments doing this than you would making a bunch of 5s into 6s into 7s with a risk of losing a piece with every fuse. Also, refinement can crit (uhhh... incidentally, is this affected by player crit stat?), which allows you to use even fewer stones for refining, and they don't have to match (although you get best results if they do). The highest upgrades do call for a matching enchantment to use as a reagent, so you make a second 5to6to7, but you don't need to refine it to use as a reagent.
Using rank 5s and higher for refinement, you get fewer points out of them than if you'd left them as lower ranks, so you want to save those for upgrading.
Yes, the reagent costs do seem high right now, and it remains to be seen how accessible those will be from other sources than the WB.
Thanks for the comment. I had 8 Rank 5's though and no other enchantments on this character - as I have 1 of my toons do all my enchanting. This one is my money bags and he got 8 rank 5's on a cheap AH sale ending. Yes I understand the feeding lower ranked enchants. But what if you do not have them. Anyway having 8 lv 5's go to lv 6's is 200,000 AD - why bother!!
I thought though that if the enchantments were the same as the one to be upgraded, that it has a higher RF value, and was just testing it. Obviously not. 4 5's = 1 6 so no difference from today at all.
+ most drops are lv 4 and below so to make a lv 5 from lower enchants and then add them onto that for lv 6 is a lot of enchants and really petty <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. The only thing I would really be adding to a 5 that is lower is Training ones. The rest I would try and enchant only to the right type unless desperate for something.
Anyway what a waste of time and petty happening it would be to get a lv 2 and just adding it on to the rank 5 - jeez how many of them would you need.
Cheers though. My main concern though is the 160-200,000 AD to get a rank 7 .
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Liking the new enchantment system overall. I was just wondering if you could bring back the %-chance of upgrading enchantments. I can see new players getting confused about why the upgrade didn't work because they don't know how likely the success is.
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edited November 2013
Does the new flashier interface no longer show your % chance of success? I haven't logged in to preview this week to check it out, but the interface I was using displayed that number very prominently.
Ok, let me provide you with my calculations about Weapon and Armor Enchantments:
Weapon/Armor Enchantment comparison chart of refining (new) vs. fusing (old) -- total amount of items needed
System Refining Fusing Refining Fusing Refining Fusing Refining Fusing
To Rank Lesser Lesser Normal Normal Greater Greater Perfect Perfect
RP cost
0
--
34,560
--
172,800
--
656,640
--
Matching shards
4
4
8
16
16
64
32
256
Non-Matching shards
--
16
--
80
--
304
--
Coalescent wards
1
1
3
5
7
21
15
85
Greater Mark of Potency
0
--
1
--
4
--
10
--
In order to create the Lesser version of the enchantments, you need 4 shards of the same type (matching)--hence the row "Matching shards".
For the refinement points (RP) you can either use any other shard (aka non-matching) or use matching shards. If you use matching shards, the amount would be half of what is listed in the row "Non-matching shards"--e. g. for a "Greater Feytouched Enchantment" you would need in total 56 "Shard of Feytouched Enchantment" (16 + 80/2 = 56). In regards to the amount of shards you need: if you keep on using the same type of shards, you will need less, only if you use other type of shards, you will need more.
I didn't include any values for the items, as it depends on how each individual values each item.
I don't recommend using Vorpal shards, because they are the most expensive: around 20,000 ADs for a shard, which would mean--if you use Vorpal shards for Vorpal enchantments--about 4.6 AD/RP. Most of the other shards are around 2,000 ADs/shard, which means 0.92 AD/RP. So using Vorpal shards to "level up" your Vorpal enchantment would mean "paying" 5 times the amount in ADs. Even if you do not consider the AD value of shards, it is a lot easier to e. g. get Terror shards as it is to get Vorpal shards.
does this mean i need 15 CWs to go from greater to perfect or to go from lesser to perfect you would have used 15 all up?
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Does the new flashier interface no longer show your % chance of success? I haven't logged in to preview this week to check it out, but the interface I was using displayed that number very prominently.
Bug: refinement interface doesn't show % chance of upgrade success Logged into to check for myself, and indeed while the interface has text showing "chance of success", no numbers are given.
I did notice that the item description of all the green marks I had, and the ones in the WB currently says they can drop from leadership boxes as well as skill nodes, and that the white marks say they can drop from skill nodes (which I don't think they did before). I didn't stick around to loot any nodes though.
At the moment a Rank 7, Silvery Enchantment can be bought on AH for 57,000 AD.
The cost to make a lv 7, even from lv 6's is 50 + 2 (Wards - probable) = 56,600 AD. where is the value in making them.
This is the answer. Only have reagents that cost money if the Enchantments/Rune stones are different from the ones being Ranked up.
So in effect you do not pay for a Catalyst to Rank Up - you pay to get the required RP to rank up only if they are different to the one you want to Rank up.
Leveling a rank 6-7 all silvery enchantment - no cost to get RP value and Rank up.
Using different enchantments/rune stones - $$ to get RP Value, no cost to Rank up.
I think this is fair and worth looking into.
Also if say you used 5 (Different) Rank 2's to go towards the RP value then a stone $$ accordingly should be used 50 AD etc.....
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does this mean i need 15 CWs to go from greater to perfect or to go from lesser to perfect you would have used 15 all up?
The amount of items needed are totals--meaing to go from "Shard" to the respective level. Therefore: you need a total of 15 Coalescent wards to go from shards to a Perfect enchantment.
Thanks for the comment. I had 8 Rank 5's though and no other enchantments on this character - as I have 1 of my toons do all my enchanting. This one is my money bags and he got 8 rank 5's on a cheap AH sale ending. Yes I understand the feeding lower ranked enchants. But what if you do not have them. Anyway having 8 lv 5's go to lv 6's is 200,000 AD - why bother!!
I thought though that if the enchantments were the same as the one to be upgraded, that it has a higher RF value, and was just testing it. Obviously not. 4 5's = 1 6 so no difference from today at all.
The same types are higher RP value. Higher is a relative word. If you use lvl 5's of a different type, it will take more than 4 lvl 5's to get the RP needed for a lvl 6. Thus the same types give you a larger/higher amount of RP.
+ most drops are lv 4 and below so to make a lv 5 from lower enchants and then add them onto that for lv 6 is a lot of enchants and really petty <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. The only thing I would really be adding to a 5 that is lower is Training ones. The rest I would try and enchant only to the right type unless desperate for something.
You're still not entirely getting how the system works. The RP value needed for a particular level is fixed, so if you rank up using just lvl 4's, assuming you're using the same types of stones, it will still take the same number of lvl 4's as before - you just don't have to take 16 lvl 4's to make 4 lvl 5's before making a lvl 6. You use 4 lvl 4's to make a lvl 5, then pour the other 12 lvl 4's into the lvl 5 to get to the lvl 6. It's still works out to the same number of lvl 4 stones, but it saves you three upgrade steps (and the required reagents + wards). Stones of different type are worth half the RP of the same type, so to rank up a lvl 5 using only different lvl 4 stones would be 24 lvl 4 stones (barring any critical successes along the way).
Anyway what a waste of time and petty happening it would be to get a lv 2 and just adding it on to the rank 5 - jeez how many of them would you need.
Cheers though. My main concern though is the 160-200,000 AD to get a rank 7 .
I find it less wasteful than getting a lvl 2 and not being able to use it for anything other than an inventory space consumer. And you won't be getting just lvl 2s. You'll have some combinations of 2s, 3s, and 4s probably. Instead of eating up your inventory space, you'd feed them into whatever enchant you're currently trying to rank up.
Anyone know if it is a bug that a matching shard gives 4320 RP and a non-matching one only 540 RP? I thought the bonus was twice the base RP and thus, a shard was worth 2160 RP. When has it been changed?
Feedback: General: Slotting Enchantments
Why the hell u have ninja-nerfed non-matching shards points?
Thats ridiculous. The system which supposed to become much more friendly and easier is becoming expensive almost as it has been - after that ninja nerf and coals BoP. Non-matching shards will be almost as useless as now, taking slots instead of bein used, and wards will cost tri[ple as much at least
And i have supported ur supposed 'improvements'
Shame on u Shame on me
Well Ninja-nerf points 4 times more, and eliminate wards at all (except zen store). and put marc's chans on epic bosses to 0.0001%, and rise marc price to 1 mill ad - just be4 dec 5th. that will be just in line with this improvements and perfectly colour ur tactics (to that donks that like me thought u wanna help yr players)
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The bad side.
AD AD AD AD AD AD AD AD AD
I usually only make to rank 7.
So rank 6 to rank 7 has been estimated at 31,000AD + this is with 1 mark at 25k and 1.5 Wards. Realistically is likely 3 Wards. So 34k, (In my estimation) then of course the cost for lv 1-6 add another 4-5k (not really looking).
All in all, If I made 5 lv 7's a Month - 175k (35k total each) for the month. Today would cost me 35-70 k for Wards. About 105k + more on the new system.
You might say it only need 3 though - I say big woop - so now I make and extra 2 a month so 245k approximately.
Then you sell the Rank 7 in AH - and extra 45K on top each too cover expenses, time and 12.5% Commission and the buyer pays for it. But you want to keep some so it goes up 60K. They wont buy at that price and you are out of pocket. 100K (k = thousand) down the drain or around $2.5-$3.
Now, i Understand some people want the new system because it is cheaper for lv 8,9,10 etc... good on them. I completely understand.
For a person on a Budget though it is hard. I do put Zen into the game - Under $150 but more then $85.
These are for pleasurable items and even though I make a few AD through Professions, Dailies etc ..... A lot of my AD already goes on Wards - I buy approximately 30-40 (140k ad) a week (for some reason I can't let a lv 4 go without a ward, it would slow me down).
Adding up all of the enchanting I do at the moment - it would cost me an extra (rough estimate) 300k a week. In reality I have not got this type of money and I would not be storing Enchantment's and maybe make a lv 8. i would be selling them for the AD.
So it is just AD, AD, AD, AD, AD.. I really do not know if I will enchant and play the silly AD/Refinement game or just sell them as they come in and buy on AH what I want.
Now I think of it - All the money I could have if I didn't ward lv 4's + with only needing 3 to Refine it would mean more wards... Oh I do not know
Best of luck - that is my scenario.
Like I said at the beginning the new task rewards, to explain it was good. But I went and dropped like 400k on the Catalyst's and that was like all my AD and came out with 2 lv 5's and a 1/2 to next level Artifact LOL
Peace!
P.S. I also do those Surveys and that earns Neverwinter Money - but I am in A country where the rewards are quite small - 63 Zen is average - 1/2 of those earnings go towards Lock Box keys the other goes towards Wards - just to let you know!
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I will not play a game that requires me to sell my personal information in order to be competative.
Comissions are only 12.5% if you post from anywhere in the world that is neither the gateway or the auction house in PE. I could have sworn I read patch notes somewhere that stated that they were making it a flat 10% everywhere, but I'm having trouble locating that and haven't been using the AH to test (so I don't know if it's on live or preview).
edit: found it. And for some reason it's only on preview for now.
so there's savings there as well. Don't know if it'll help you in your overall calculations, but shaving off a bit more can't hurt.
Plus what info uurbs linked.
If between these things you still cannot find a profit in enchantments, perhaps it would be time to find a new niche?
Category: Refinement Window, User Interface, Fun Factor
A few suggestions in no particular order:
1. Remove the unnecessary step of clicking "Continue" after you already clicked "Upgrade" to start the process.
2. The speed is a lot better now, although I personally would like it even better if it was even faster.
3. Make the "fusing animation" a lot more fun.
Example:
Great work so far and I hope you take my suggestions into consideration.
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My only complaint is that the high end resources needed to upgrade epic quality enchantments are not available to solo players. IMO, every resource should be a random drop and NOT dungeon content specific.
The artifact ones (greater mark of union, power, and stability) drop in the lairs, not the greater mark of potency.
Agreed.
Sadly, it's just not epics it's the rares as well.
To get to level 6 - 3 of my enchantments + the 1 to be Refined was 100% Progression. Then the 25k Regent. SO 4 to go to level 6 and the 25k. I do not know where only 3 is needed comes into it. 3 + the 1 to upgrade is still 4.
Next 4 same thing but this time I am like 250 Point's over (so 250 points towards rank 7).
So 1 set was 100% the next set was like 105% progression - what gives? I understand it must be a bug.
Had a look at lv 6-7 - wanted 2 25k reagents.
At lower levels this is no where near cheaper. If I wanted a lv 6 I would not mind the 25K so much, but to make multiples is ridiculous.
P.S. Realized while eating (yum yum) To go from Rank 5-6 is 25k. Need 4 level 6's still for rank 7. So 100k total from lv 5 -6. Then 50k for the actual refinement to lv 7. That's 150,000 AD to take 16 lv 5's to 1 lv 7.
ATM the worst is 10 wards at 40k - but of course you still need them or you can loose the Reagent.
so really 160,000 AD just to have a Rank 7 Refined - ridiculous.
All that happened was the AD that was suppose to be spent at taking out Enchantments from an Item for the corporate scheme of things has been transplanted to Refinement.
I am shocked - And, Yes I know the Reagents can be a drop.
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I want to re-emphasize that the green marks should have a chance to drop from these leadership containers. For most players, by the time they are consistently able to obtain these chests and barrels, they will not have any need of white marks (used for upgrading rank 1 and 2). You can get rank 3s from your leadership boxes, for which you need the green marks to do anything with them. Leadership boxes also regularly drop other goods of uncommon quality.
I appreciate that marks can be won playing Sword Coast Adventures, but I wouldn't like to see that as the only reliable way of obtaining them outside the Wondrous Bazaar when the WB ones were promoted as an option, not something players would be required to buy.
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You're doing it wrong, and that's why the feeding stage seems so expensive to you.
You don't make all your enchantments into 6s and then make those into 7s. You make one 5 into a 6. You feed it your rank 1-4s. You use far fewer enchantments doing this than you would making a bunch of 5s into 6s into 7s with a risk of losing a piece with every fuse. Also, refinement can crit (uhhh... incidentally, is this affected by player crit stat?), which allows you to use even fewer stones for refining, and they don't have to match (although you get best results if they do). The highest upgrades do call for a matching enchantment to use as a reagent, so you make a second 5to6to7, but you don't need to refine it to use as a reagent.
Using rank 5s and higher for refinement, you get fewer points out of them than if you'd left them as lower ranks, so you want to save those for upgrading.
Yes, the reagent costs do seem high right now, and it remains to be seen how accessible those will be from other sources than the WB.
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The critical success add 50% to the gained Rp. A 15 RP value get with crit 22. A 30 45 and so on. This answer lot of asks.
Thanks for the comment. I had 8 Rank 5's though and no other enchantments on this character - as I have 1 of my toons do all my enchanting. This one is my money bags and he got 8 rank 5's on a cheap AH sale ending. Yes I understand the feeding lower ranked enchants. But what if you do not have them. Anyway having 8 lv 5's go to lv 6's is 200,000 AD - why bother!!
I thought though that if the enchantments were the same as the one to be upgraded, that it has a higher RF value, and was just testing it. Obviously not. 4 5's = 1 6 so no difference from today at all.
+ most drops are lv 4 and below so to make a lv 5 from lower enchants and then add them onto that for lv 6 is a lot of enchants and really petty <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. The only thing I would really be adding to a 5 that is lower is Training ones. The rest I would try and enchant only to the right type unless desperate for something.
Anyway what a waste of time and petty happening it would be to get a lv 2 and just adding it on to the rank 5 - jeez how many of them would you need.
Cheers though. My main concern though is the 160-200,000 AD to get a rank 7 .
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does this mean i need 15 CWs to go from greater to perfect or to go from lesser to perfect you would have used 15 all up?
Bug: refinement interface doesn't show % chance of upgrade success
Logged into to check for myself, and indeed while the interface has text showing "chance of success", no numbers are given.
I did notice that the item description of all the green marks I had, and the ones in the WB currently says they can drop from leadership boxes as well as skill nodes, and that the white marks say they can drop from skill nodes (which I don't think they did before). I didn't stick around to loot any nodes though.
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At the moment a Rank 7, Silvery Enchantment can be bought on AH for 57,000 AD.
The cost to make a lv 7, even from lv 6's is 50 + 2 (Wards - probable) = 56,600 AD. where is the value in making them.
This is the answer. Only have reagents that cost money if the Enchantments/Rune stones are different from the ones being Ranked up.
So in effect you do not pay for a Catalyst to Rank Up - you pay to get the required RP to rank up only if they are different to the one you want to Rank up.
Leveling a rank 6-7 all silvery enchantment - no cost to get RP value and Rank up.
Using different enchantments/rune stones - $$ to get RP Value, no cost to Rank up.
I think this is fair and worth looking into.
Also if say you used 5 (Different) Rank 2's to go towards the RP value then a stone $$ accordingly should be used 50 AD etc.....
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The same types are higher RP value. Higher is a relative word. If you use lvl 5's of a different type, it will take more than 4 lvl 5's to get the RP needed for a lvl 6. Thus the same types give you a larger/higher amount of RP.
You're still not entirely getting how the system works. The RP value needed for a particular level is fixed, so if you rank up using just lvl 4's, assuming you're using the same types of stones, it will still take the same number of lvl 4's as before - you just don't have to take 16 lvl 4's to make 4 lvl 5's before making a lvl 6. You use 4 lvl 4's to make a lvl 5, then pour the other 12 lvl 4's into the lvl 5 to get to the lvl 6. It's still works out to the same number of lvl 4 stones, but it saves you three upgrade steps (and the required reagents + wards). Stones of different type are worth half the RP of the same type, so to rank up a lvl 5 using only different lvl 4 stones would be 24 lvl 4 stones (barring any critical successes along the way).
I find it less wasteful than getting a lvl 2 and not being able to use it for anything other than an inventory space consumer. And you won't be getting just lvl 2s. You'll have some combinations of 2s, 3s, and 4s probably. Instead of eating up your inventory space, you'd feed them into whatever enchant you're currently trying to rank up.
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Cost of perfect vorpal assuming:
Dissimilar shard cost: 2k AD, 1216 shards= 2.432M AD
Vorpal shard cost: 20k AD, 32 shards= 640K AD
Coal ward cost: 150k AD, 15 coal wards= 2.25M AD
Greater Mark of Potency: 75K AD, 10 marks= 750K AD
Total: 6.072M AD
If sapphires from Wondrous bazaar is used instead, it would be 7.580M.
In other words, perfect vorpals will be cheaper, but most other enchantments may stay the same price or become more expensive. Hurray cryptic!
Why the hell u have ninja-nerfed non-matching shards points?
Thats ridiculous. The system which supposed to become much more friendly and easier is becoming expensive almost as it has been - after that ninja nerf and coals BoP. Non-matching shards will be almost as useless as now, taking slots instead of bein used, and wards will cost tri[ple as much at least
And i have supported ur supposed 'improvements'
Shame on u
Well Ninja-nerf points 4 times more, and eliminate wards at all (except zen store). and put marc's chans on epic bosses to 0.0001%, and rise marc price to 1 mill ad - just be4 dec 5th. that will be just in line with this improvements and perfectly colour ur tactics (to that donks that like me thought u wanna help yr players)
It was ridiculous to have same refining pt with a shard and with a N6 enchant
You use test informations to win AD , but there is TEST server, so not definitve ...
So instead of risin R6 enchant points (to reasonable amount) we r nerfing shard points to hell. Nice decision.