Hey just think, being its beta, common sense would tell you everyone would get free respecs sooner or later. Now stop crying, either spend the money or don't, or move along back to WoW.
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cipher9nemoMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Hey just think, being its beta, common sense would tell you everyone would get free respecs sooner or later. Now stop crying, either spend the money or don't, or move along back to WoW.
I don't think you read any of the other posts abrahxis as someone else had the exact same thing to say, and many posters addressed the comparison to the car purchase. To add to that cars and other real life merchandise usually drop in price because the new models are coming out and the the dealer wants to clear out his inventory, Cryptic doesn't have a finite amount of these digital items and as far as I can tell they are not planning on discontinuing them and replacing them with newer items they are just lowering the value of the items.
If this happened with a car or anything there would be a lot of angry people. Plus they are not removing the items or replacing them in real life this is how we get antiques and value can actually go up on older items because they can never again be purchased new and are more rare. If Cryptic decided all items bought in the Beta were Beta only items and not available when the game goes live I bet tons of people would buy them to hold on to and sell later because the value is still there.
These are not real physical items and their value is arbitrary to start with.
While I can understand your point it is in PWE and Cryptic's best interest to keep paying customers happy.
Like a few other mentioned I think the real issue is a customer service one and you don't want your customers to feel like they got burned purchasing your stuff. In a F2P game most players do not buy anything so it is those that do purchase items that keep the game running.
I think this game is great but as for the company they are very greedy,the prices in the zen shop are just insane $10 for bags and $6 for bank space and over $35 for mounts come on.There is a difference between trying to get money to keep a game alive and being just plain greedy,I have played alot of other F2p games and none of them are even close to being as exspensive as this game.I also think that they are very stingy on things like bag and bank space and such most game give you alot of space for free even or for in game gold,I think if they don't lower prices to reasonable amounts that this game won't last very long and don't get me started on buying zen like all games give you bonus zen the more you spend this game doesn't give you any bonus zen until you spend like what $50 bucks come on.
As a past 1999 player of EQ for many years, I too have seen what I paid monthly for what became FTP. But I paid for what I wanted. As with any media item it changes, updates and prices drop for old and are high for new.
I have not been this captivated by an MMO sense EQ. Even once it's live, we must be ready for major changes over time. I.E Control Wizards are way to strong in regards to Fighters.
My point is the game will continue to grow. Zen only buys you what YOU want at that given time of purchase. We beta because we love it.
If Sony returned what I paid over time in EQ, I'd retire.
If you had fun, you got what you paid for. Beta or not, only you can decide at time of purchase if the investment is sound and will offer fun.
Enjoy the game. Be proud of being one of those first to have a mount or a particular lvl. Look back and ask if it was worth it.
If you answer yes? Then purchase more Zen for more fun stuff. If no, then don't.
Have fun folks. For me this is the 1st great MMO in a very long time.
Your kidding? Right? I mean say you buy a new car as soon as it comes out. You just HAVE to have it first, and drive it before everyone else, so you pay top dollar with no discounts. After a few months they start discounting the price with special offers. Do you really think the dealership is ping to call you up and say "hey the price dropped, we want to send you some money back!"? No way. You spent money to buy stuff as soon as you could. Thanks for supporting the game, but why don't you take your sense of entitlement and move along.
This, truer words never been spoken.
Be a Leet D00D, can't think of something smart? Always blame the economy.
Unless this is your first rodeo as an MMO player, you had to see this coming. I know I expected it to happen from previous experience playing MMO's and thus refrained from buying anything as of yet.
Common sense goes a long way in avoiding these problems.
Thanks for the price drops, now please work on the inventory prices, those are still a bit out of whack.
I think this game is great but as for the company they are very greedy,the prices in the zen shop are just insane $10 for bags and $6 for bank space and over $35 for mounts come on.There is a difference between trying to get money to keep a game alive and being just plain greedy,I have played alot of other F2p games and none of them are even close to being as exspensive as this game.I also think that they are very stingy on things like bag and bank space and such most game give you alot of space for free even or for in game gold,I think if they don't lower prices to reasonable amounts that this game won't last very long and don't get me started on buying zen like all games give you bonus zen the more you spend this game doesn't give you any bonus zen until you spend like what $50 bucks come on.
make new accounts. having extra inventory space is for convenience (and it's nice), but it's never mandatory.
You are missing my point everything in this game is priced insane compared to other games that was my whole point I know they are for convenience but actually the mounts are almost 50 bucks which is very insane 35 bucks for a mount isnt cheap at all.
As a way to thank your customers who have already spent thousands and thousands of dollars / euros / etc on zen, you're going to thank them for their purchases by saying "Hey, everyone ELSE is going to get a discount now, not you." How does this show that you value your customers?
I've spent thousands and thousands of zen on these items already, but I get no rebate? As an open beta player I've tested and bug reported and lost AD and zen to items that were bugged and helped you to fix it. But now, after everything that I've put in, you're going to discount the items I've already purchased? Does this seem backwards to you? Or is it supposed to be a big EFF you to the players that have helped make this game what it is already?
WOW!. I need to go back to Mercedes and complain that the car I bought 2 years ago is half-priced now! You are a genius, can you write me up a complaint letter like the above stated comment? Make sure to completely dismiss any benefit and enjoyment I received from driving this car for the past 2 years as you did in the above complaint(brilliant!).
Do not forget to use the same self-entitled attitude in the letter either as we all know that is the best way get people to see our point of view.
lmafo. Omfg. People are complaining that prices are dropped, and the people that already payed feel entitled to something, because they payed top dollar first and also complained about "the prices are too **** high." .
People..I swear.. lol.
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Learn more about the upcoming price changes, http://nw.perfectworld.com/news/?p=912801, including permanent price reductions on many of the most popular Zen Market items! Thanks to your incredible feedback, we're making great strides towards our live launch on June 20, 2013!
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
edited June 2013
Did anyone else notice that they have added a new option on the Zen purchase website - previously most you could buy in a single transaction was 5300 Zen - now it is 10600.
You are missing my point everything in this game is priced insane compared to other games that was my whole point I know they are for convenience but actually the mounts are almost 50 bucks which is very insane 35 bucks for a mount isnt cheap at all.
The game does not force you to spend $50 for a mount. Indeed, the mount did nothing except to help your character moving faster. You can easily use your AD to win an aution for a permanent mount (though not as appealing as the one costing $50). Whether you want to pay more for the look is entirely up to you. I have no complaint about that.
Thats the price you pay for getting it first . If your the ones that run out and but the new ipod and not wait for the price to come down . Well guess we know who really got more cash then cents
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slaughterfallMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
Digital items cannot be equated with physical goods, period. Digital goods don't depreciate in value the same way that physical items do. Physical goods require storage space that corresponds with their quantity, but a digital item can be reproduced infinitely without requiring additional storage space of any significant degree.
Those facts are why comparing these mounts to real-life cars is the argument of an absolute imbecile. A car's value depreciates constantly because newer and better cars are being constantly produced. Furthermore, cars are large pieces of property that incur significant storage costs; since each car occupies roughly the same amount of space it makes sense that retailers would offload their older stock at a discount to make room for more valuable items. PWE doesn't need to clear out space for new mounts and they don't need to discount their items because of outside competition.
There is no good reason that PWE couldn't offer a meager $5 refund to existing customers, but I guarantee that they won't. Why? Because digital goods are discounted based on market saturation. PWE likely looked at their sales records and estimated that most people willing to pay $40 for a mount had already done so. Thus, they decided to drop the price in order to make money from everyone who is willing to pay $35 for those same mounts. When that market becomes saturated the price will drop again, and the cycle will continue for as long as PWE stands to make a profit. If PWE wanted to sell mounts at $35 then that's what they would've done initially, but what they wanted to do was swindle as many beta testers as possible in order to maximize profit.
The only mitigating factor in this is the possibility of a discount alienating more customers than it entices. Each time the price drops there will be an increasing number of people upset about it, so they need to be careful in order to not make their customers wary of spending money again. Right now the only people who are upset are those who paid $40 for a mount, but if the price drops again then lots of people who bought at $35 will be irritated as well.
For what it's worth I'll never spend a dime on this game again. Yes, I got to ride around faster for about a month, but I would've waited if I had known that price drops would be happening so quickly. I figured that any beta with enough balls to have a working cash shop would preserve those prices for longer than the beta or at least offer refunds on price changes that happened during the beta.
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dsaegerMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 6Arc User
edited June 2013
Is the Mount Sale still going to happen? I was under the impression that they were suppose to have an additional discount already.
so...how much did they drop the prices?
And no...I aint logging in to see. Just curious.
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isakongmingMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited June 2013
Still wont be spending a dime until those prices are more around 50% of what they were. F2P is supposed to be MICROtransactions, that is where the money is and it has been PROVEN over the last 10 years. I will never spend more than $14 for a mount and that mount better **** be special.
I have spent $100s on F2P games with micro-transactions that weren't even 1/3rd as good as this one, one them I topped $500 over three years...but so far, I have zero intention of spending more than the founders pack I bought to support the game and its only due to the prices.
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elewyndylMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
I have not payed any money for this game. However I get ZEN with AD. I payed 2 more character slots with 500 Zen. It still cost 500 ZEN to get character slots. It still cost 600+ ZEN for a bag.
I really wonder what HAMSTER items cost less ZEN? Really what do you really need? I have 2 characters right now one is max level 60 and the other is level 23 since I try play with my friend who play very little. My friend is level 18 and play very little.
Really what good items that your really need has gone down in price??? What good items??? You really need more characters. You really need an extra bag. I have got 2 extra bags from quests however 3 bags is not enough for me!
Oh and please do not say I need to buy a mount with ZEN since I already have mount and you not need ZEN for a mount. Yes so what you have faster harder mounts whatever that does not help in Dungeons.
EDIT!!! Ok there is one item that you really need usually. Retrain token cost now 300 ZEN so down 50 % in price. That is good since 600 ZEN for retrain token is pretty insane price if 2 more character slots cost 500 ZEN.
I have had no use for retrain token so far and I am power gamer. However my friend is casual player and he does not listen when I say look for best builds from forums. 300 ZEN will be a blessing for my friend one day when he slowly get to max level and notice that his build is not good.
I can understand frustration for those who have payed however in the long run I think everyone should be happy items and retrain token cost half price now.Prices down is a good thing.
So, all of us that have spent full price on these things that are now to be permanently discounted, will get some sort of reconciliation? I mean, it would be stupid to just put these things on a different price bracket, and not reward the people who supported you before you did this, right? I can only take so many slaps in my face before I'm done, you know.
that's how feel about this as well plz give us back difference we should not have to pay more for items when we are ones helping test them
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krholbrookMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 13Arc User
edited June 2013
I for one haven't bought any in-game items or mounts, so I can't exactly feel the pain of what others are going through. But it's to be expected when you're buying a lot of things during beta. Prices are almost always reduced at some point, be the reduction permanent or an occasion (such as a weekend sale). I've always been iffy on buying in-game items for real currency. The items may look nice. I might really want to buy them, but I have to ask myself is it really worth spending said amount of money for pixels? Not that I don't ever (*eyes all of her WoW mounts and companion pets*), I just haven't for this game.
I was talking to a friend about the HotN pack, and how I was debating on drawing images for people so I could get the money, but he went ahead and bought it for me.
It sucks that you spend so much money on unique items that some other people may never be able to get, sure, but there's almost always a drawback. Better things come along. Shinier items. Awesome mounts. Price reductions. It all has to be taken into consideration, in my opinion.
~ Mindflayer ~
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rivitheadMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited July 2013
I really, really think they need to either A) reduce the price for zen, or add a zero to all the amounts of zen you buy!. I mean, it is soo badly overpriced, its not funny.
I mean, i have over 140 Nightmare Lockbox's. To get keys to open them all??? How are they a "Reward" to players at all, if you have to pay real money to open them??? Its just freaking HAMSTER. People should be able to afford the drops they get, not have to remortgage their houses to pay for them!
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cipher9nemoMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I agree , they need to get more realistic with the "Micro" Definition....not the "Major" Transaction....
+1 The prices are absurd. Lowering all prices 50-75% would bring more profit in long run as more ppl would spend money. This kinda prices makes me think that they try to grab as much money as fast as possible and then stop all support to game.
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Correction, today is release.
Hammerfist Clan. Jump into the Night: NW-DMXWRYTAD
If this happened with a car or anything there would be a lot of angry people. Plus they are not removing the items or replacing them in real life this is how we get antiques and value can actually go up on older items because they can never again be purchased new and are more rare. If Cryptic decided all items bought in the Beta were Beta only items and not available when the game goes live I bet tons of people would buy them to hold on to and sell later because the value is still there.
These are not real physical items and their value is arbitrary to start with.
While I can understand your point it is in PWE and Cryptic's best interest to keep paying customers happy.
Like a few other mentioned I think the real issue is a customer service one and you don't want your customers to feel like they got burned purchasing your stuff. In a F2P game most players do not buy anything so it is those that do purchase items that keep the game running.
I have not been this captivated by an MMO sense EQ. Even once it's live, we must be ready for major changes over time. I.E Control Wizards are way to strong in regards to Fighters.
My point is the game will continue to grow. Zen only buys you what YOU want at that given time of purchase. We beta because we love it.
If Sony returned what I paid over time in EQ, I'd retire.
If you had fun, you got what you paid for. Beta or not, only you can decide at time of purchase if the investment is sound and will offer fun.
Enjoy the game. Be proud of being one of those first to have a mount or a particular lvl. Look back and ask if it was worth it.
If you answer yes? Then purchase more Zen for more fun stuff. If no, then don't.
Have fun folks. For me this is the 1st great MMO in a very long time.
This, truer words never been spoken.
Common sense goes a long way in avoiding these problems.
Thanks for the price drops, now please work on the inventory prices, those are still a bit out of whack.
make new accounts. having extra inventory space is for convenience (and it's nice), but it's never mandatory.
best possible mount in the game. 35$ is quite cheap. do you remember this? http://gaygamer.net/2007/04/wow_player_who_offered_sex_for_1.html
WOW!. I need to go back to Mercedes and complain that the car I bought 2 years ago is half-priced now! You are a genius, can you write me up a complaint letter like the above stated comment? Make sure to completely dismiss any benefit and enjoyment I received from driving this car for the past 2 years as you did in the above complaint(brilliant!).
Do not forget to use the same self-entitled attitude in the letter either as we all know that is the best way get people to see our point of view.
People..I swear.. lol.
This is one step in the right direction.
The game does not force you to spend $50 for a mount. Indeed, the mount did nothing except to help your character moving faster. You can easily use your AD to win an aution for a permanent mount (though not as appealing as the one costing $50). Whether you want to pay more for the look is entirely up to you. I have no complaint about that.
Those facts are why comparing these mounts to real-life cars is the argument of an absolute imbecile. A car's value depreciates constantly because newer and better cars are being constantly produced. Furthermore, cars are large pieces of property that incur significant storage costs; since each car occupies roughly the same amount of space it makes sense that retailers would offload their older stock at a discount to make room for more valuable items. PWE doesn't need to clear out space for new mounts and they don't need to discount their items because of outside competition.
There is no good reason that PWE couldn't offer a meager $5 refund to existing customers, but I guarantee that they won't. Why? Because digital goods are discounted based on market saturation. PWE likely looked at their sales records and estimated that most people willing to pay $40 for a mount had already done so. Thus, they decided to drop the price in order to make money from everyone who is willing to pay $35 for those same mounts. When that market becomes saturated the price will drop again, and the cycle will continue for as long as PWE stands to make a profit. If PWE wanted to sell mounts at $35 then that's what they would've done initially, but what they wanted to do was swindle as many beta testers as possible in order to maximize profit.
The only mitigating factor in this is the possibility of a discount alienating more customers than it entices. Each time the price drops there will be an increasing number of people upset about it, so they need to be careful in order to not make their customers wary of spending money again. Right now the only people who are upset are those who paid $40 for a mount, but if the price drops again then lots of people who bought at $35 will be irritated as well.
For what it's worth I'll never spend a dime on this game again. Yes, I got to ride around faster for about a month, but I would've waited if I had known that price drops would be happening so quickly. I figured that any beta with enough balls to have a working cash shop would preserve those prices for longer than the beta or at least offer refunds on price changes that happened during the beta.
That is already over.
And no...I aint logging in to see. Just curious.
I have spent $100s on F2P games with micro-transactions that weren't even 1/3rd as good as this one, one them I topped $500 over three years...but so far, I have zero intention of spending more than the founders pack I bought to support the game and its only due to the prices.
I really wonder what HAMSTER items cost less ZEN? Really what do you really need? I have 2 characters right now one is max level 60 and the other is level 23 since I try play with my friend who play very little. My friend is level 18 and play very little.
Really what good items that your really need has gone down in price??? What good items??? You really need more characters. You really need an extra bag. I have got 2 extra bags from quests however 3 bags is not enough for me!
Oh and please do not say I need to buy a mount with ZEN since I already have mount and you not need ZEN for a mount. Yes so what you have faster harder mounts whatever that does not help in Dungeons.
EDIT!!! Ok there is one item that you really need usually. Retrain token cost now 300 ZEN so down 50 % in price. That is good since 600 ZEN for retrain token is pretty insane price if 2 more character slots cost 500 ZEN.
I have had no use for retrain token so far and I am power gamer. However my friend is casual player and he does not listen when I say look for best builds from forums. 300 ZEN will be a blessing for my friend one day when he slowly get to max level and notice that his build is not good.
I can understand frustration for those who have payed however in the long run I think everyone should be happy items and retrain token cost half price now. Prices down is a good thing.
that's how feel about this as well plz give us back difference we should not have to pay more for items when we are ones helping test them
I was talking to a friend about the HotN pack, and how I was debating on drawing images for people so I could get the money, but he went ahead and bought it for me.
It sucks that you spend so much money on unique items that some other people may never be able to get, sure, but there's almost always a drawback. Better things come along. Shinier items. Awesome mounts. Price reductions. It all has to be taken into consideration, in my opinion.
I mean, i have over 140 Nightmare Lockbox's. To get keys to open them all??? How are they a "Reward" to players at all, if you have to pay real money to open them??? Its just freaking HAMSTER. People should be able to afford the drops they get, not have to remortgage their houses to pay for them!
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Hammerfist Clan. Jump into the Night: NW-DMXWRYTAD
+1 The prices are absurd. Lowering all prices 50-75% would bring more profit in long run as more ppl would spend money. This kinda prices makes me think that they try to grab as much money as fast as possible and then stop all support to game.