I tested everything on my GWF ( even this "great" instigator path), but you sir @bloodyspamer spreading so much false things that i have to say i must do as @defiantone99 has done: I have to ignore you. Sry. But "your GWFs are laughing"?...sure, if they got the same knowledge as you. So cya.
Pick 2 GWF, same build. GWf without guild boons, will have lower dmg output than GWF who is in guild which have 8k power/ RI. Player with Stronghold boon 8k defence will have higher survivability than GWF is without guild boon..
Player who have build for tanking purpose, will tank better than player who had build ment to dmg dealing.
As for 20k defence. It's nothing special. met GWF player with such stats so it;s not like impossible to get them.
Also with 10k u can still die in eToS<. So no wonder that players with 10k die in FBI.
I tested everything on my GWF ( even this "great" instigator path), but you sir @bloodyspamer spreading so much false things that i have to say i must do as @defiantone99 has done: I have to ignore you. Sry. But "your GWFs are laughing"?...sure, if they got the same knowledge as you. So cya.
I got ignored,, ohh well, I where not your friend in first place :P
Next as laugh. well the guys which I asked, where players who had enough experience with GWF class. Where in all dungeons, have great builds. But seems u want to imply that other are noobs, and you are just only real GWF player..
But just for case,, I will pass this line to them.. To make sure that they should firstly consulted with you before making any comments, before giving any advice toward other GWF players and etc...
Also we need inform Developers so they firstly need get approval from you and and @defiantone99 , before making any changes toward GWF..
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No he is saying that if you build your character for tanking u can tank better (logic!).
If you only have 22k power and 14k def. The u are prettz poorly geared. Nothing to do wih guild boons.
"Do u know how much dmg a sent gwf deals". Thats the point he is trying to bring across. A sent GWF build for tanking is not supposed to do the same dmg as a SW/CW/HR/TR... build for dmg. A destro GWF build for dmg is pure dmg. He deals the highest dmg in the game and therefor its perfectly fine for him to have little to no survivability.
I do know it perfectly. Are you saying then, that GWF class is useless unless it is on a guild with GH20 to pick the max amount of boons' stats, because seems like you're saying that a Sent GWF can't tank unless they are on a big guild... It's that correct?
2 - I did yet i can't tank with 14k on Defense, do you want to know why i do have 22k on power? BTW, do you know how much damage a sent GWF deals with 22k on power? Do you know how much damage other classes deal with far lower power than GWF class due their base damage are higher than GWF class has?. It's called "basics", if you don't know those basics, like some other players here, then, you should not say a word just because "i saw GWFs with 20k on defense everyday" because you may find really ungly things.
3 - Pretty sure that those GWFs with 20k on Defense are on big guilds and, also, they're destroyers, not sentinels and, also, those GWFs do have like 25ks on power and around 10ks on ArP and Crit, am i wrong? but seems like 14k on Defense by using just gear is "punny"...
4 - Try to build a GWF with 14k on defense and enter into eToS, then, enter with a GF on the same dungeon with the same defense amount and check it out by yourself what happends, guild boons are not allowed.
So, basically, you're talking about what do you see everyday in the server. So, again, mind if you rec a video showing us how to play a Sent GWF? would be nice to watch you being carried by your team mates.
1) did u really expected that without guild boons u would be able tank dungeons higher than eTos? Do u think in higher tear dungeons enough to have just 10k def and u can tank? My templock, have 12k+ defence, add Pillar of Power which add DR effect, and debuff enemies dmg outcome.. Aura of despair 5% reduce enemies outgoing dmg,, darkness = 10% dmg reduction for enemies who got hit by BoVA encounter.. and BoVa encounter itself give 20% chance deflect when it's activated. Hellish condemnation 5% dmg reduction(single target)
And with that combo I still can't tank CN easily. I need to bring my tank companion in action, and support him.. Thats mean I provide buffs/ heal and also debuff enemies.. And even when we get in orcus room, this my templocks and tank companions combo can't tank orcus.. Only utilizing orcus low AI and using companions as distraction we can hit him from range..
Guilds provide extra stats.< if u don't high stats = u will not have high performance.
So if your question is, do GWF need be in Guild lv 20 to have max performance. the answer is yes.
2) Did u know that artifact: wheel of elements> fire atrribute give u 30% dmg < increase for x period of time< Did u know that certain companions deal 50% of your max dmg when u faill land crit hit. Did u know that archon companions provide dmg increase, and if u have multiple archon u get even extra effect increase..
So even having 2 GWF same geared, same boons. And due Wheel of elements artifact deal dmg will be different.. Due companions effect> deal dmg will be different. Due Combat advantage < dealt dmg will be different.
Next, Take 2 warlocks,, same geared, same boons, artifacts and so one.. Just one is furry and other is temptation.
Furry with deal 40% ~60% more dmg than temptation. Even having same power, defence, arp, crit, and all other stuffs.. Even using same class features.
Why? The answer lies in feats< Furry have dmg enchanting feats, while templock don't have them. Templock deal similar to non feated warlock.
So even if u have more power does not mean that u will deal more dmg than other players..
So as you can see there are way to extend dmg output.. By the way I didn't mentioned artifact sets, Like orcus which also increase dmg, or artifact weapon which add extra dmg output due overcharge effect..
3) obviously. If u are in guild which eventually is in some kind alliance. It's naturally u will gather party faster.. And when that happens u can pick actual tank, while you focus on dealing dmg, not mentioned you can pick buffer in party..
I can assure that GWF are always welcome to any dungeon runs.. If they would be bad, non viable as some players claims. Then no one would pick GWF in dungeons..
During mod 6 time, I played with SW, and where kicked out from party multiple times, not due stats, not due dmg. All because I where warlock. In that time CW where more prefered. And warlock where considered ....... .
And so far, in non of my know content runs, where talks that they exclude GWF.. << Actually mostly you during dungeon run recrutting that GWF is prefered/mostly desired..
So this whole thread, I think is just one guys quest for vengeance. All because some GF ashamed his GWF in dungeons speedrun. And now he want "balance", or more precise, he want assurance that no one would threaten his superiority.
yet his whole thread bring also comic situation.. As some players wrote here,, GF and GWF have some shared powers.. Buff GWF = buff GF, so that person would buff his most hatted class GF too. which eventually would bring him back here in forum,. and once again demand for extra GWF buffs, which eventually buff GF< so this circle. would never stop.
And also due shared powers,>> nerf GF = nerf GWF..
So, personally , go ahead buff GWF as much u want. I know possible outcome. And it will not solve problems anyways..
4) have u played vindictus? There players fight, dodge/block hits. If they fail, they receive hit and also armor breaks. And it's breaks to point it give no defensive values. In that game player picked tank character, using shield block hits. So it can actually fight without armor at all. All what need is to block hit in right time, and know when get out of possible hit..
Now if u know when and how block hits in neverwitner. U need less defensive stats. If u don't know. Well, then even 28k defence would not help u.
The problem with players here is simple. We had paladins burble> which negated incoming dmg. Players abused it a lot. Next we had DC's AA buff which also players abused.
And now when burble and AA buffs got reworked, players forgot how play action mmorpg game. I have seen countless times that any class player, get in dungeon > fight monsters and don't use doge/block/evade(shift) mechanic at all. He eat all incoming hits. And when he die, he complain that his class need buffs. And this stuff happened even before this thread. Players need wake up, and stop play this game as classic style mmorpg. Even it's become more depended on gear and buffs. Yet its still is action mmorpg<
What GF do there in NWO ,, he utilize block< ability to keep him alive, and with gear and boons and etc focus on dmg boosting.. It;s not new thing in action mmorpg games. For you maybe it's new, but for me it's not.
As recording video.. Well I would like to do that. But< My laptop already reaching limits when run game. My laptops spec: SATELLITE L750D-14E
Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit AMD Quad-Core Processor A6-3400M APU Hard disk 640 GB Dark Silver with Matrix pattern, black keyboard 6,144 (4,096 + 2,048) MB, DDR3 RAM (1,333 MHz) AMD Quad-Core Processor A6-3400M APU with AMD Radeon™ HD 6520G Graphics
CPU clock speed> 1.8 gHz, 2.3gHZ turbo core.
So I play game already on ultra low settings. And once I try record video = laging. And for me, dodging and counter attacking is crucial thing.
I tested game recording utilities, and so far haven't found any of them which would be able recording without causing lag spikes within game.
You would say, or someone would wrote here,, why I haven't get better hardware.. Well game for me is just for fun.. And laptop is for work.. And on top, I have family and I would not waste money just for recording own gameplay...
And other reason why I can't.. Well I played with HR, GWF, DC. and little bit with GF, However, they are on borrowed/shared account.. With my close friend we had account which we shared.. I had chance to play with his builds, went to dungeons and so one. But I don't have access to that account anymore. He move play BlackDesert online. And no respond from him since january. ====
So my all claims around GWF, is based on what I have been able see,/test, and what I heard from other GWF players.. .
And speaking about hardware.. I can assure one thing.. Due current laptop I play neverwinter.. If I would had new laptop, then 98% chance than I would not play neverwinter... I would back to game<<< It's how look there when 2 enemy clans(guilds) meet each other.. And it's kinda daily stuff..
IF u think neverwinter is something special.. Then I would say nah.. It's only more friendly for casual players.. Nothing more..
======================================================================== “The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim. Gustave Le Bon. ==================================================
I think the more people that say they are going to ignore him, the more text he puts on each post lol
Don't reply to him, let the thread die.
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"Do u know how much dmg a sent gwf deals" Thats the point he is trying to bring across.
No, that is not what he is pointing out. He trys to tell its a good choice ( good for groups) if the GWF understand that its ok to play a senti GWF, cuzz this is helpfull for the group and a senti is a great tank ... etc...etc... and this isnt true at all. Read his posts again. But im not in the mood to think about his posts and read them again. To much BS. Happy nice weekend to all of you and good loot to everybody. Can we now get BTT plz?
No, that is not what he is pointing out. He trys to tell its a good choice ( good for groups) if the GWF understand that its ok to play a senti GWF, cuzz this is helpfull for the group and a senti is a great tank ... etc...etc... and this isnt true at all. Read his posts again. But im not in the mood to think about his posts and read them again. To much BS. Happy nice weekend to all of you and good loot to everybody. Can we now get BTT plz?
Alright question for you.. What kinda Sentinels values would make him viable, which stats/powers/features values would be Ok by your opinions.
Just remember tank classes must remain viable< So any suggestions??
Now lets assume/pretend that developers agree to bufff GWF class, and also actually allow you guys to decide values increase.. How far you would increase? How much buffing require till u would say enough, no more buffs.?
And when u done that, look to that situation from from > HR< , >TR<, >CW< >SW<>>OP< >DC< even >GF< view point.. Do these classes look viable? Or it's just one class game<
It is easy to complain, it is easy to cry for buffs.. Yet, it's not easy to balance class so keep all them viable..
==========================
Now speaking about ideas,, any of you brought any suggestions how rework GWF?? Nop. While I did.. Kinda interesting,, you guys are GWF fan and yet, non of you manage wrote any solutions.
I wrote proposal to recalibrate GWF builds via feats.
I wrote proposal, how extend GWF destro dmg, by with some price. I wrote proposal how extend GWF sentinel tanking, but with price.
I even wrote that I leave GWF guys to decide/Choose values.
@defiantone99 , proposed 10% lose in favor to get 25%. But he didn't get how it works.
In destroyers case,> you lose 10% defensive stats, and lost values are added to offensive stats.
When GWF get buffed from GF, SW, DC, OP, CW. He get not only offensive boost, but defensive too. And due this proposed feat even even 10% would lead 15%~20% increase. Thats why I where against 10% lose and 25% gain, because it would lead to over 30%++ increase. And thats slightly to high.
Same goes for sentine. You lose 10% offensive stats, gain ~15% defensive stats increase. and because due buffs interactions he would get extra increase anyways.
Not mentioned companions, bonding runestones and other interactions..
Also due GWF and GF shared powers, it would recalibrate GF performance too. In favor for extra dmg increase they would lose defensive stats. And opposite.
But all idea where dissmissed. all because this idea is no free GWF buffing. =========================
As for thread.. Whatever, it;s done. IT can be either cleaned(keep primary post) Or relocate to offtopic forum. While thread creator could create new thread. .But this time with proper name> GWF buff/GF nerf request< To clarify his intention, rather hiding behind class balance names... And to make sure<I promise do not disturb his crying for extra buffs.. In his case even x3 buffing will not solve problem.
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======================================================================== “The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim. Gustave Le Bon. ==================================================
Okay but I think you have in your Random Quotes a great example as to why I dont believe we will get past God mode any time soon. "perfect vorpal on TR with 100% crit chance is a flat 50% dmg increase". When they took away the skill caps and deminised return ,they removed any chance at balance. They juist raised the amount of damage that mobs could hit you with and raise their hit points .So as players we did the same. If they dont want players to go around with a 50% dmg increase 100% of the time they would cap it. Same with LS the SW was built to use that as their main defensive skill but everyone else saw they could use it also so they do and on and on till we each have God mode. We can each watch as they go about nerfing all our most used skills and giving a buff to the never used ones or we can understand that when this game came out it did in fact have skill caps and deminished returns and for a very good reason. We can either go back to another mod 6 train wreck or just keep going forwards and return the caps and deminished returns . Either way they need to make money and giving the player something to chase after is the way they do it . We have still yet to recover from what Mod 6 did and yet we are already back to what we had when it took place. I just dont want them to go back and do yet another complete rework of this game and end up with less than what we got like the last time.
They'll nerf GWF at some point and give others a boost, I'm betting everyone will then start complaining about the HR and 6 months later they'll get it, then another 6 months later it'll be the GF.
There needs to be an end to the cycle of major class nerfs & buffs every 6 months. They need to make small tweaks on a skill by skill basis and do it regularly so players aren't stuck with bad changes for 12-24 months.
Very often the worst people to listen to (on class balance) are the players because they all have vested and competing interests but that's understandable given that everyone knows a class change will not be re-analysed for a very long time.
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They need to quit listening to players, that is the main thing. They can test internally for balance issues and fix them. They need to decide class roles and stop doing random buff and nerfs. Random buffs and nerfs are why the classes are not balanced, the nerfs and buffs do not respect the original designs of the classes. I mean there have been some really random nerfs in this game. The buffs are almost always too much, and in the wrong place.
To some extent, you are correct, but for the most part very wrong. The issue is that the devs do not play the game as much as we do, or look at as many situations as we can. Even though the devs create the game, players tend to have more knowledge and skill in regards to how the game mechanics actually interact and effect each other.
The most broken things in any game are always the things that were not foreseen or understood by the development team. If they ignored everything we said and just balanced internally, I'm afraid it would be even worse than it is right now. If you can even imagine that.
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I have to ignore you. Sry.
But "your GWFs are laughing"?...sure, if they got the same knowledge as you. So cya.
I can say in couple lines..
Pick 2 GWF, same build.
GWf without guild boons, will have lower dmg output than GWF who is in guild which have 8k power/ RI.
Player with Stronghold boon 8k defence will have higher survivability than GWF is without guild boon..
Player who have build for tanking purpose, will tank better than player who had build ment to dmg dealing.
As for 20k defence. It's nothing special. met GWF player with such stats so it;s not like impossible to get them.
Also with 10k u can still die in eToS<. So no wonder that players with 10k die in FBI.
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I tested everything on my GWF ( even this "great" instigator path), but you sir @bloodyspamer spreading so much false things that i have to say i must do as @defiantone99 has done:
I have to ignore you. Sry.
But "your GWFs are laughing"?...sure, if they got the same knowledge as you. So cya.
I got ignored,, ohh well, I where not your friend in first place :P
Next as laugh. well the guys which I asked, where players who had enough experience with GWF class. Where in all dungeons, have great builds.
But seems u want to imply that other are noobs, and you are just only real GWF player..
But just for case,, I will pass this line to them.. To make sure that they should firstly consulted with you before making any comments, before giving any advice toward other GWF players and etc...
Also we need inform Developers so they firstly need get approval from you and and @defiantone99 , before making any changes toward GWF..
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
==================================================
No he is saying that if you build your character for tanking u can tank better (logic!).
If you only have 22k power and 14k def. The u are prettz poorly geared. Nothing to do wih guild boons.
"Do u know how much dmg a sent gwf deals".
Thats the point he is trying to bring across. A sent GWF build for tanking is not supposed to do the same dmg as a SW/CW/HR/TR... build for dmg. A destro GWF build for dmg is pure dmg. He deals the highest dmg in the game and therefor its perfectly fine for him to have little to no survivability.
Do u think in higher tear dungeons enough to have just 10k def and u can tank?
My templock, have 12k+ defence, add Pillar of Power which add DR effect, and debuff enemies dmg outcome..
Aura of despair 5% reduce enemies outgoing dmg,, darkness = 10% dmg reduction for enemies who got hit by BoVA encounter.. and BoVa encounter itself give 20% chance deflect when it's activated. Hellish condemnation 5% dmg reduction(single target)
And with that combo I still can't tank CN easily. I need to bring my tank companion in action, and support him.. Thats mean I provide buffs/ heal and also debuff enemies.. And even when we get in orcus room, this my templocks and tank companions combo can't tank orcus.. Only utilizing orcus low AI and using companions as distraction we can hit him from range..
Guilds provide extra stats.< if u don't high stats = u will not have high performance.
So if your question is, do GWF need be in Guild lv 20 to have max performance. the answer is yes.
2) Did u know that artifact: wheel of elements> fire atrribute give u 30% dmg < increase for x period of time<
Did u know that certain companions deal 50% of your max dmg when u faill land crit hit.
Did u know that archon companions provide dmg increase, and if u have multiple archon u get even extra effect increase..
So even having 2 GWF same geared, same boons. And due Wheel of elements artifact deal dmg will be different.. Due companions effect> deal dmg will be different.
Due Combat advantage < dealt dmg will be different.
Next,
Take 2 warlocks,, same geared, same boons, artifacts and so one..
Just one is furry and other is temptation.
Furry with deal 40% ~60% more dmg than temptation. Even having same power, defence, arp, crit, and all other stuffs.. Even using same class features.
Why? The answer lies in feats< Furry have dmg enchanting feats, while templock don't have them. Templock deal similar to non feated warlock.
So even if u have more power does not mean that u will deal more dmg than other players..
So as you can see there are way to extend dmg output..
3) obviously. If u are in guild which eventually is in some kind alliance. It's naturally u will gather party faster.. And when that happens u can pick actual tank, while you focus on dealing dmg, not mentioned you can pick buffer in party..
I can assure that GWF are always welcome to any dungeon runs.. If they would be bad, non viable as some players claims. Then no one would pick GWF in dungeons..
During mod 6 time, I played with SW, and where kicked out from party multiple times, not due stats, not due dmg. All because I where warlock. In that time CW where more prefered. And warlock where considered ....... .
And so far, in non of my know content runs, where talks that they exclude GWF.. << Actually mostly you during dungeon run recrutting that GWF is prefered/mostly desired..
So this whole thread, I think is just one guys quest for vengeance.
All because some GF ashamed his GWF in dungeons speedrun. And now he want "balance", or more precise, he want assurance that no one would threaten his superiority.
yet his whole thread bring also comic situation.. As some players wrote here,, GF and GWF have some shared powers..
Buff GWF = buff GF, so that person would buff his most hatted class GF too. which eventually would bring him back here in forum,. and once again demand for extra GWF buffs, which eventually buff GF< so this circle. would never stop.
And also due shared powers,>> nerf GF = nerf GWF..
So, personally , go ahead buff GWF as much u want. I know possible outcome. And it will not solve problems anyways..
4) have u played vindictus?
There players fight, dodge/block hits. If they fail, they receive hit and also armor breaks. And it's breaks to point it give no defensive values.
In that game player picked tank character, using shield block hits. So it can actually fight without armor at all. All what need is to block hit in right time, and know when get out of possible hit..
Now if u know when and how block hits in neverwitner. U need less defensive stats. If u don't know. Well, then even 28k defence would not help u.
The problem with players here is simple. We had paladins burble> which negated incoming dmg. Players abused it a lot.
Next we had DC's AA buff which also players abused.
And now when burble and AA buffs got reworked, players forgot how play action mmorpg game.
I have seen countless times that any class player, get in dungeon > fight monsters and don't use doge/block/evade(shift) mechanic at all. He eat all incoming hits. And when he die, he complain that his class need buffs.
And this stuff happened even before this thread.
Players need wake up, and stop play this game as classic style mmorpg. Even it's become more depended on gear and buffs. Yet its still is action mmorpg<
What GF do there in NWO ,, he utilize block< ability to keep him alive, and with gear and boons and etc focus on dmg boosting..
It;s not new thing in action mmorpg games. For you maybe it's new, but for me it's not.
As recording video.. Well I would like to do that. But< My laptop already reaching limits when run game.
My laptops spec:
SATELLITE L750D-14E
Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit
AMD Quad-Core Processor A6-3400M APU
Hard disk 640 GB
Dark Silver with Matrix pattern, black keyboard
6,144 (4,096 + 2,048) MB, DDR3 RAM (1,333 MHz)
AMD Quad-Core Processor A6-3400M APU with AMD Radeon™ HD 6520G Graphics
CPU clock speed> 1.8 gHz, 2.3gHZ turbo core.
So I play game already on ultra low settings. And once I try record video = laging. And for me, dodging and counter attacking is crucial thing.
I tested game recording utilities, and so far haven't found any of them which would be able recording without causing lag spikes within game.
You would say, or someone would wrote here,, why I haven't get better hardware.. Well game for me is just for fun.. And laptop is for work.. And on top, I have family and I would not waste money just for recording own gameplay...
And other reason why I can't.. Well I played with HR, GWF, DC. and little bit with GF,
However, they are on borrowed/shared account.. With my close friend we had account which we shared.. I had chance to play with his builds, went to dungeons and so one. But I don't have access to that account anymore. He move play BlackDesert online. And no respond from him since january.
====
So my all claims around GWF, is based on what I have been able see,/test, and what I heard from other GWF players.. .
And speaking about hardware.. I can assure one thing.. Due current laptop I play neverwinter.. If I would had new laptop, then 98% chance than I would not play neverwinter...
I would back to game<<< It's how look there when 2 enemy clans(guilds) meet each other.. And it's kinda daily stuff..
IF u think neverwinter is something special.. Then I would say nah.. It's only more friendly for casual players.. Nothing more..
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
==================================================
Don't reply to him, let the thread die.
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Chrion De Armadeon: SW
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Barney McRustbucket: GF
Lt. Thackeray: HR
Lucius De Armadeon: BD
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But im not in the mood to think about his posts and read them again. To much BS. Happy nice weekend to all of you and good loot to everybody. Can we now get BTT plz?
Just remember tank classes must remain viable<
So any suggestions??
Now lets assume/pretend that developers agree to bufff GWF class, and also actually allow you guys to decide values increase.. How far you would increase? How much buffing require till u would say enough, no more buffs.?
And when u done that, look to that situation from from > HR< , >TR<, >CW< >SW<>>OP< >DC< even >GF< view point..
Do these classes look viable? Or it's just one class game<
It is easy to complain, it is easy to cry for buffs.. Yet, it's not easy to balance class so keep all them viable..
==========================
Now speaking about ideas,, any of you brought any suggestions how rework GWF?? Nop. While I did.. Kinda interesting,, you guys are GWF fan and yet, non of you manage wrote any solutions.
I wrote proposal to recalibrate GWF builds via feats.
I wrote proposal, how extend GWF destro dmg, by with some price.
I wrote proposal how extend GWF sentinel tanking, but with price.
I even wrote that I leave GWF guys to decide/Choose values.
@defiantone99 , proposed 10% lose in favor to get 25%. But he didn't get how it works.
In destroyers case,> you lose 10% defensive stats, and lost values are added to offensive stats.
When GWF get buffed from GF, SW, DC, OP, CW. He get not only offensive boost, but defensive too. And due this proposed feat even even 10% would lead 15%~20% increase.
Thats why I where against 10% lose and 25% gain, because it would lead to over 30%++ increase. And thats slightly to high.
Same goes for sentine.
You lose 10% offensive stats, gain ~15% defensive stats increase. and because due buffs interactions he would get extra increase anyways.
Not mentioned companions, bonding runestones and other interactions..
Also due GWF and GF shared powers, it would recalibrate GF performance too. In favor for extra dmg increase they would lose defensive stats. And opposite.
But all idea where dissmissed. all because this idea is no free GWF buffing.
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As for thread.. Whatever, it;s done. IT can be either cleaned(keep primary post) Or relocate to offtopic forum. While thread creator could create new thread. .But this time with proper name> GWF buff/GF nerf request<
To clarify his intention, rather hiding behind class balance names...
And to make sure<I promise do not disturb his crying for extra buffs.. In his case even x3 buffing will not solve problem.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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There needs to be an end to the cycle of major class nerfs & buffs every 6 months. They need to make small tweaks on a skill by skill basis and do it regularly so players aren't stuck with bad changes for 12-24 months.
Very often the worst people to listen to (on class balance) are the players because they all have vested and competing interests but that's understandable given that everyone knows a class change will not be re-analysed for a very long time.
Xael De Armadeon: DC
Xane De Armadeon: CW
Zen De Armadeon: OP
Zohar De Armadeon: TR
Chrion De Armadeon: SW
Gosti Big Belly: GWF
Barney McRustbucket: GF
Lt. Thackeray: HR
Lucius De Armadeon: BD
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The most broken things in any game are always the things that were not foreseen or understood by the development team. If they ignored everything we said and just balanced internally, I'm afraid it would be even worse than it is right now. If you can even imagine that.
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