If you ever can get a shot at Superior Area Denial it will surely shine espcially on a general PvE Discoprise (think the best of the choices here). Besides Sea’s recommendations to give it to the toon that I eventually did was that I just happen to have exactly that trait on it sealing my decision. Now it sadly costs a fortune probably until the next infinity lock box release. It is a mega good trait, team beneficial and for the Discoprise's pets in particular good to have but perhaps you should wait a tiny bit here till it gets cheaper?
Man, I wish I had Superior Area Denial for my Discoprise.. I both envy and hate you.
I have it on my Romulans and my KDF since they can get it cheap, it's a great trait. Works great on a Scimitar with the Elite Drones. For feds though.. yeah, ouch.. way too expensive just for a trait. That was the one thing my AOY didn't have that I really wanted. She had all the other better traits, DPRM, etc.. but that one so far is just too expensive to chase.
Yea. Unfortunately the price is obscene at the moment.
Back then I was very lucky to actually draw one with the keys I got from @kurumimorishita s screenshot contests. I also bought it for three other toons for a fraction of what it cost now, one of them Telora. In high end runs it is a strict support trait taken by the Recluse wing men so if you miss it out it’s not as big of a problem there. Of course for the Discoprise pets it’s just sweet as they get faw 1 over it while otherwise they don’t have any special firing mode and in general PvE you are never supported anyway so more de-buffs are more de-buffs there.
As for this de-buff part you, yourself have Cold Hearted turning hard critters into pasta in general PvE. Since @reyan01 does not have access to that one I think SAD is technically the best thing for him to get eventhough it comes at a high price. But we all pay that sooner or later if we play the DPS game, don't we Reyan?
I guess so - I mean, I am feeling particularly motivated to make the DSC Constitution as effective as it could be (at least in my hands). To be honest I'm this close to saying I love it more than the Nova*
*I will note that the poor quality of the Nova class model is contributing toward this.
Have to admit, the 20% ship sale isn't helping my case here, in terms of the Tucker or the new Warship (and their traits), though!
Had a chat with feli in game a few mins ago. He thinks that if u happen to be on the right energy-type build (so phaser on a fed toon here) the new trait with it's haste should edge out Calm, Strike and Promise and would be the better call from now on for energy builds.
As I can use it on 3 fed toons I will likely get the phaser trait.
On the Discoprise my setup will then result in:
- EWC
- Redirecting Arrays
- SAD
- Heart of Sol
- Cold Hearted (as only 1 in team can use it to its full potential on a target I might take one of the other earlier mentioned dmg traits here. Let cannon players bring the heavy support stuff for a chnage)
Well, having unlocked the new trait mine look like this now:
- Emergency Weapon Cycle
- Scramble Fighters
- Calm Before the Storm
- Heart of Sol
- Built to Last
Have to say, whilst haven't been in a run of ISA that was parsed yet it does feel as if my Discoprise is slightly more effective. Seemed to make slightly shorter work of my targets in Starbase One and Peril over Pahvo.
That reads alright.
If you have Promise of Ferocity and don’t need Calm before the Storm as cooldown mechanic or anything I’d consider exchanging those. I’m not familiar with its details but we should also have some sort of diminishing return effect for general hastes and in everything but super short matches calm should stack up reliably and don’t do enter in those 20 second cycles as calm does.
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Been reading through the debates in this thread about relative utility of traits and whether or not the new one displaces anything, and it got me wondering about Redirecting Arrays and how essential it actually is.
It might just be subjective, but I've logged a fair few hours with it and it doesn't seem like it does as much as I would think from the theory of it (up to +5s on FaW, i.e. 50%).
I'm running with Emergency Weapon Cycle/Cold-Hearted/Weapon Emitter Overdrive/Vaulting Ambition/Supercharged Weapons (due to Lorca's Ambition Set)
For a PvE damage build on the MW Flight Deck, provided I want to add in Superior Area Denial and Redirecting Arrays, would it be good to swap out WEO/VA or are there 2 other candidates? I'd love more trait slots for exactly this reason.
Sorry for responding late.
I must admit that I was never in a position to choose between a set of that good traits amongst any of my chars but chatted with feli about that case as well.
He agrees that one always wants to have a primary firing mode duration increase even if that’s only redirecting arrays. There is also the trait from the Gagarin - Entwined Tactical Matrices - which could work on ur torp/beam setup.
If you want to keep Supercharged Weapons I’d pick...
...and actually replace Cold Hearted with Weapon Emitter Overdrive or Vaulting Ambition. Since I do not know how well the acc bonus of WEO works with fire at will or how bad the impact of the increased weapons drain for beams is I’d tent to the VA here most likely but simply cant tell for sure. If acc works with faw and the drain is not a problem WEO all the way. Beam land needs to be re-conquered after 2 years of scatter volley.
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"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
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"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
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I'm curious why they decided to not to continue to use the T6 mastery level for account unlock.
Really weird direction IMO.
This really grinds my gears too!
Unlock at T6 Mastery really served the main purpose of keeping you focussed, at length, on your new Jem recruit (hoping you'd spend monies on said toon while at it). That purpose simply no longer exists.
I'm curious why they decided to not to continue to use the T6 mastery level for account unlock.
Really weird direction IMO.
This really grinds my gears too!
Really exited about this bundle, they all look great!
Umm...why? You WANT to grind before you can use the ship you wanna? I can see why the devs would like the T6 mastery...but for the players, what they have now is better...by far.
What is really weird is that they faction bound the console and trait. If those were ship bound, there would be WAY more reason to get that bundle vs a single ship...especially the rom and dom ones as ALL toons can use those for the trait and console.
Not getting what you mean by "WANT to grind before you can use the ship...". Did anything significant change in this regard? I certainly would like to have it, so that if you unlock a trait on one ship you can use it on the whole account. But that is just an option for a very limited number of ships, as I understand it. And the comment by phoenix I quoted was referring to that NOT being applied to all ships. At least that is how I understood it.
I would even love to have it unlock on purchase!
What part of "they all look good" didn't you get? Couldn't care less about trait stats. In space barbie a là Star Trek that is what counts, at least for me.
I purchased the ship, personally its already mothballed and the trait most certainly doesn't cut it to make it into my top 5 to get into my queue.
I ended up getting the Romulan one which was kinda interesting since I hadn't flown a Romulan ship before and almost immediately after a few runs of Argala I knew this ship wasn't going to make it as a pure tac escort. It just diverged way to much from my understanding of a escort build that I just have to give up on it.
Though the 4 x 4 weapons dock was intriguing in the end I would rather have my experimental slot for my graviton implosion charges. Poor mans GW into torp spread.
It was interesting but not note worthy and ended up being another wasted buy for me since the ship isn't better then my other destroyers or escorts build wise and just doesn't excite me.
Also finding out I can't get the bajorian set singularity core also aggravated me to no end or at least I don't see how I can do that.
And the last part was the trait. I was hoping it would at least stack a bit to get the damage at least to 30% it didn't so I was very unhappy with it, much like the ruin of our enemies trait.
Anyhow it just wasn't good enough to push out
Vaulting Ambition: Being a min maxer is al about watching numbers roll higher and higher
Entwined Matrices: which is a lot better then redirecting arrays and holds bfaw a lot longer and if timed right and built right can pretty much permanently keep befaw up
Supremacy: Always keps my power levels over 100 and helped make Leech console useless and removable from my rolls. I want to replace it but it's pretty good at managing my power levels for me and bfaw and entwined seems to constantly keep me rolling with out much if any dps drops.
supercharged weapons: With a torp in front and back you literally keep this up easily without much work. Will probably remove one torp eventually and replace them with advanced phaser arrays with the next phoenix event.
History will remember: No idea why people skip over this trait. It stacks to thirty and remains with you till you leave the scene. 30% to all damage. I haven't parsed it but from wording alone I would assume that's energy, experimental, and torpedo. plus 30% hull regen , plus 30% hull. Unless there is something about this trait I don't understand then I am baffled as to why people don't use it.
My beams hit around 16-17k per beam per crit so it is possible specially with how cryptic works that some of these traits might not be working as intended and with as much dps as I put out in one salvo I wouldn't notice but as far as I can tell this new trait has no replace in my build unless it stacks and can give me 20-30% phaser damage I can't justify using it
So in the end it was most certainly a wasted purchase. Build wise and functionality wise and trait wise. It was a fail all around but then again I keep buying traits hoping they will make a difference. Live and learn. Atleast it wasn't as bad as when I got the Annorax for A time to kill and realized how hard it was to keep the buff up in an escort without spamming sci skills lol.
You will need to unlock that JH Carrier with a Jem'Hader Character before your Gorn can use it.
Happens to be my 3rd JH ship after JH Warship and Heavy Raider so I already know. I think the tier 6 mechanic was wrong and happy the new temporal warship in this pack doesnt have it
I purchased the ship, personally its already mothballed and the trait most certainly doesn't cut it to make it into my top 5 to get into my queue.
I ended up getting the Romulan one which was kinda interesting since I hadn't flown a Romulan ship before and almost immediately after a few runs of Argala I knew this ship wasn't going to make it as a pure tac escort. It just diverged way to much from my understanding of a escort build that I just have to give up on it.
Though the 4 x 4 weapons dock was intriguing in the end I would rather have my experimental slot for my graviton implosion charges. Poor mans GW into torp spread.
It was interesting but not note worthy and ended up being another wasted buy for me since the ship isn't better then my other destroyers or escorts build wise and just doesn't excite me.
Also finding out I can't get the bajorian set singularity core also aggravated me to no end or at least I don't see how I can do that.
And the last part was the trait. I was hoping it would at least stack a bit to get the damage at least to 30% it didn't so I was very unhappy with it, much like the ruin of our enemies trait.
Anyhow it just wasn't good enough to push out
Vaulting Ambition: Being a min maxer is al about watching numbers roll higher and higher
Entwined Matrices: which is a lot better then redirecting arrays and holds bfaw a lot longer and if timed right and built right can pretty much permanently keep befaw up
Supremacy: Always keps my power levels over 100 and helped make Leech console useless and removable from my rolls. I want to replace it but it's pretty good at managing my power levels for me and bfaw and entwined seems to constantly keep me rolling with out much if any dps drops.
supercharged weapons: With a torp in front and back you literally keep this up easily without much work. Will probably remove one torp eventually and replace them with advanced phaser arrays with the next phoenix event.
History will remember: No idea why people skip over this trait. It stacks to thirty and remains with you till you leave the scene. 30% to all damage. I haven't parsed it but from wording alone I would assume that's energy, experimental, and torpedo. plus 30% hull regen , plus 30% hull. Unless there is something about this trait I don't understand then I am baffled as to why people don't use it.
My beams hit around 16-17k per beam per crit so it is possible specially with how cryptic works that some of these traits might not be working as intended and with as much dps as I put out in one salvo I wouldn't notice but as far as I can tell this new trait has no replace in my build unless it stacks and can give me 20-30% phaser damage I can't justify using it
So in the end it was most certainly a wasted purchase. Build wise and functionality wise and trait wise. It was a fail all around but then again I keep buying traits hoping they will make a difference. Live and learn. Atleast it wasn't as bad as when I got the Annorax for A time to kill and realized how hard it was to keep the buff up in an escort without spamming sci skills lol.
The reason why History is usually only picked by PvE tanks and not the standard DPS boat is that the dmg increase is only +30% dmg and not *bonus* dmg. Depending on how much those two dmg categories are saturated on a build the alternatives you get from Promise, Strike or the new traits can outdo it and are therefore better than History. They all offer bonus dmg increases on top of even better benefits than aggro generation.
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"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
The DSC era BoPs actually look more Romulan than Klingon
I'm curious why they decided to not to continue to use the T6 mastery level for account unlock.
Really weird direction IMO.
This really grinds my gears too!
Really exited about this bundle, they all look great!
Umm...why? You WANT to grind before you can use the ship you wanna? I can see why the devs would like the T6 mastery...but for the players, what they have now is better...by far.
It was something to do with a meaningful reward at the end. Some people do indeed rather want to play the game than being given things for free.
"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
The DSC era BoPs actually look more Romulan than Klingon
Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
> @peterconnorfirst said: > tobiashirt wrote: » > > Been reading through the debates in this thread about relative utility of traits and whether or not the new one displaces anything, and it got me wondering about Redirecting Arrays and how essential it actually is. > > It might just be subjective, but I've logged a fair few hours with it and it doesn't seem like it does as much as I would think from the theory of it (up to +5s on FaW, i.e. 50%). > > I'm running with Emergency Weapon Cycle/Cold-Hearted/Weapon Emitter Overdrive/Vaulting Ambition/Supercharged Weapons (due to Lorca's Ambition Set) > > For a PvE damage build on the MW Flight Deck, provided I want to add in Superior Area Denial and Redirecting Arrays, would it be good to swap out WEO/VA or are there 2 other candidates? I'd love more trait slots for exactly this reason. > > > > > Sorry for responding late. > > I must admit that I was never in a position to choose between a set of that good traits amongst any of my chars but chatted with feli about that case as well. > > He agrees that one always wants to have a primary firing mode duration increase even if that’s only redirecting arrays. There is also the trait from the Gagarin - Entwined Tactical Matrices - which could work on ur torp/beam setup. > > If you want to keep Supercharged Weapons I’d pick... > > - EWC > - Redirecting Arrays/Entwined Tactical Matrices > - SAD > - Supercharged Weapons > > ...and actually replace Cold Hearted with Weapon Emitter Overdrive or Vaulting Ambition. Since I do not know how well the acc bonus of WEO works with fire at will or how bad the impact of the increased weapons drain for beams is I’d tent to the VA here most likely but simply cant tell for sure. If acc works with faw and the drain is not a problem WEO all the way. Beam land needs to be re-conquered after 2 years of scatter volley.
Well, I have outposts in beam land scatter land and exotic land, so I'd be on all sides of a rebalance... thanks for the confirmation about Entwined Matrices. It occurred to me after my last post, and seems like it might provide even more total FaW coverage time.
I don't have much cost mitigation on the build (only EWC and a spire core), plus Acc from Narrow Sensor Bands, so it's tempting to skip WEO, but I'm also an engineer, so it could work if I can time my captain powers right. Nice to know I'm not way off base.
I'm curious why they decided to not to continue to use the T6 mastery level for account unlock.
Really weird direction IMO.
This really grinds my gears too!
Really exited about this bundle, they all look great!
Umm...why? You WANT to grind before you can use the ship you wanna? I can see why the devs would like the T6 mastery...but for the players, what they have now is better...by far.
What is really weird is that they faction bound the console and trait. If those were ship bound, there would be WAY more reason to get that bundle vs a single ship...especially the rom and dom ones as ALL toons can use those for the trait and console.
Not getting what you mean by "WANT to grind before you can use the ship...". Did anything significant change in this regard? I certainly would like to have it, so that if you unlock a trait on one ship you can use it on the whole account. But that is just an option for a very limited number of ships, as I understand it. And the comment by phoenix I quoted was referring to that NOT being applied to all ships. At least that is how I understood it.
I would even love to have it unlock on purchase!
What part of "they all look good" didn't you get? Couldn't care less about trait stats. In space barbie a là Star Trek that is what counts, at least for me.
Grind to unlock ship trait is /meh
At 1st I didnt really mind... but I have 4 Fed toons, 3 Roms, 3 KDF and 2 Doms... on 1 account.
It gets OLD when I have to "unlock" the same ship multiple times.
If it was unlock once... unlock across account. Then it wouldnt be that much of an issue.
So... yeah it's not really "fun".
Get on do event, log off. maybe doff, r&d or do 1 que or bz.
"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
So, because they have given us nothing for a long period of time.. now we should clamor for whatever they decide to throw us now matter how good or bad it may be?
C'mon man.. you're smarter then this.
Besides, no one said you shouldn't buy it.. many people have bought at least one variant, the Warbird seems pretty popular. After watching the Federation and KDF faction get ships like the Gagarin and the Qugh, I don't think it's any surprise that these ships are a let down in comparison.
They're good ships.. they're just not great. People can decide for themselves rather or not they're worth buying. Personally, I bought one variant.. I'm happy enough with it, but it's an average ship.
Since I don't want to further mess with formatting on a mobile device, one last question about the new trait (Heart of Sol)...if the build in question already achieves around about 50-52% CrtH with energy weapons, would HoS be a good fit rather than WEO? It's a contest between 8% more shots/unit time + 5% cat2 and 10% CrtH at an average CrtD between 230-250%
> @seaofsorrows said:
> azrael605 wrote: »
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> ROFL oh this forum.
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> "Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
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> *Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
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> "Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
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> ROFLMMFAO
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> So, because they have given us nothing for a long period of time.. now we should clamor for whatever they decide to throw us now matter how good or bad it may be?
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> C'mon man.. you're smarter then this.
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> Besides, no one said you shouldn't buy it.. many people have bought at least one variant, the Warbird seems pretty popular. After watching the Federation and KDF faction get ships like the Gagarin and the Qugh, I don't think it's any surprise that these ships are a let down in comparison.
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> They're good ships.. they're just not great. People can decide for themselves rather or not they're worth buying. Personally, I bought one variant.. I'm happy enough with it, but it's an average ship.
Interesting interpretation, not sure how it relates to the fact that people on this forum could have alternately accepted Cryptic at their truthful word that more Rom ships were coming eventually or at a minimum appologized for calling them liars, and maybe said something like " hey good to see more Rom stuff, this one isn't my style but thanks for keeping your word to do more, please don't stop I'm sure some of them will be my thing and all of them will be somebody's choice".
azrael605, I think you and I both know there are some people here on this forum that will never admit they were wrong, or apologize.
Anyway, so love the romulan warbird look. Brought the entire pack since every single ship is a master piece. "Starts drooling"
There is no way I could buy the pack, but if I had not already blown my entertainment budget for a while getting a ship in the two combined zen and ship sales recently I would have jumped on getting the Romulan one, and the Dominion one too if I could swing two at the same time budget-wise (I am still trying to juggle things but it is not looking like I will have the cash in time).
I am considering getting one of them with the free ship coupon later after it comes off the new ship list though. They actually fit my style fairly well, I have no complaints with the seating and whatnot and the energy type thing is not too big of a problem since I tend to use plasma and polaron builds quite a bit.
EDIT: This is a bit off subject, but with all the mechanics talk I am wondering which parser is best at the moment.
I have both traits and I don't use strike because its wording is weird. IT says a significant damage boost. But as far as I can tell its 5%. 5% isn't significant, does it stack or something? I will try them out in a run and see if my damage is higher and will shelve history but as far as I can tell history is better then both dps wise. But I will see. I mean if that's the case wouldn't improved pedal to the metal be better then all of these? its 20% bonus damage as long as your throttle stays up which is pretty much basic for pilot tacs?
I hardly ever have a problem with seating. I just work with what I have and go. I probably won't wait and use my free T6 coupon on any of them, but I may try to save up for the pack by saving my stipend on my LTS acct and using dilzen and supplement with $10 when possible on my F2P acct.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
> EDIT: This is a bit off subject, but with all the mechanics talk I am wondering which parser is best at the moment.
I use SCM, combined with keybinds to turn logging on and off. I only mention this one because I'm most familiar with it's interface. CLR has a nice ability to customize the format of the string/info you copy to chat, which is the vote in it's favor.
To me the pack was also convinient cause I like themed so I prefer to have a Fed ship on my Fed TOS(my only Fed allingned), Romulan one on my Romulan and my Reman, Klingon one on my Gorn and my Nausicaan and JH one on my JH. The coupon adds value to it cause not all my toons are tac focused and I wanted a carrier or flight deck for my Gorn who is an eng built for pets. Overall I am happy for it and yes I didnt need so many tac ships but it was a good deal and I wanted to support the fact they did a pack for all. My "dream" would be a carrier pack at some point in the future.
On a side note, STO is our fun, but to Cryptic is also a business and it pays their salaries and expands their workforce. Obviously if we want to see packs for ALL factions like that, this pack should succeed. So if a romulan says "I am not buying the pack because I want to see if they release more after it" and many follow that example - then yes it may end being the only pack since we pretty much vote with our wallet. Low sales will mean that releasing romulan and JH ships wont be a good business decision for them.
I have complained to them for a 100+ things(especially on KDF side even autopilot through clicking map destinations got problems like from Qonos to Fleet Shipyard) and being more than most a carriers captain on my main I dont have options in c-store but the ships pack is a step on the right direction
Well, it looks like the trends may point to the following:
Fleet grade ships will be Lobi, Lockbox, Promotion, and Event (and Fleet). The only possibility of C-Store Fleet grade ships will be 3-pack Universal Faction releases (e.g., Cardassian, 31st Century).
We will not be seeing the Megapack releases anymore. Too large as they would need to be 12 ships to cover all the Factions. The largest will be Cross-faction 4 Ship releases.
Ship Consoles will be released from their shackles.
You want Fleet Ships for the new C-Store, buy FSMs or use the 13 you can get at Reputation T6.
Any thoughts?
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Even though the Jem ship is only one of the two which would interest me if I wanted them, it seems kind of boring since Jem's already have a warship and with a more desirable spec even though it's not a full one and it does have two ltcommander seats. Besides I'd rather save the commander tactical slot for tactical abilities instead of temporal. I guess maybe I should just get the Romulan one.
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If you have Promise of Ferocity and don’t need Calm before the Storm as cooldown mechanic or anything I’d consider exchanging those. I’m not familiar with its details but we should also have some sort of diminishing return effect for general hastes and in everything but super short matches calm should stack up reliably and don’t do enter in those 20 second cycles as calm does.
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Sorry for responding late.
I must admit that I was never in a position to choose between a set of that good traits amongst any of my chars but chatted with feli about that case as well.
He agrees that one always wants to have a primary firing mode duration increase even if that’s only redirecting arrays. There is also the trait from the Gagarin - Entwined Tactical Matrices - which could work on ur torp/beam setup.
If you want to keep Supercharged Weapons I’d pick...
- EWC
- Redirecting Arrays/Entwined Tactical Matrices
- SAD
- Supercharged Weapons
...and actually replace Cold Hearted with Weapon Emitter Overdrive or Vaulting Ambition. Since I do not know how well the acc bonus of WEO works with fire at will or how bad the impact of the increased weapons drain for beams is I’d tent to the VA here most likely but simply cant tell for sure. If acc works with faw and the drain is not a problem WEO all the way. Beam land needs to be re-conquered after 2 years of scatter volley.
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A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
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We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
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This really grinds my gears too!
Really exited about this bundle, they all look great!
Unlock at T6 Mastery really served the main purpose of keeping you focussed, at length, on your new Jem recruit (hoping you'd spend monies on said toon while at it). That purpose simply no longer exists.
Not getting what you mean by "WANT to grind before you can use the ship...". Did anything significant change in this regard? I certainly would like to have it, so that if you unlock a trait on one ship you can use it on the whole account. But that is just an option for a very limited number of ships, as I understand it. And the comment by phoenix I quoted was referring to that NOT being applied to all ships. At least that is how I understood it.
I would even love to have it unlock on purchase!
What part of "they all look good" didn't you get? Couldn't care less about trait stats. In space barbie a là Star Trek that is what counts, at least for me.
I ended up getting the Romulan one which was kinda interesting since I hadn't flown a Romulan ship before and almost immediately after a few runs of Argala I knew this ship wasn't going to make it as a pure tac escort. It just diverged way to much from my understanding of a escort build that I just have to give up on it.
Though the 4 x 4 weapons dock was intriguing in the end I would rather have my experimental slot for my graviton implosion charges. Poor mans GW into torp spread.
It was interesting but not note worthy and ended up being another wasted buy for me since the ship isn't better then my other destroyers or escorts build wise and just doesn't excite me.
Also finding out I can't get the bajorian set singularity core also aggravated me to no end or at least I don't see how I can do that.
And the last part was the trait. I was hoping it would at least stack a bit to get the damage at least to 30% it didn't so I was very unhappy with it, much like the ruin of our enemies trait.
Anyhow it just wasn't good enough to push out
Vaulting Ambition: Being a min maxer is al about watching numbers roll higher and higher
Entwined Matrices: which is a lot better then redirecting arrays and holds bfaw a lot longer and if timed right and built right can pretty much permanently keep befaw up
Supremacy: Always keps my power levels over 100 and helped make Leech console useless and removable from my rolls. I want to replace it but it's pretty good at managing my power levels for me and bfaw and entwined seems to constantly keep me rolling with out much if any dps drops.
supercharged weapons: With a torp in front and back you literally keep this up easily without much work. Will probably remove one torp eventually and replace them with advanced phaser arrays with the next phoenix event.
History will remember: No idea why people skip over this trait. It stacks to thirty and remains with you till you leave the scene. 30% to all damage. I haven't parsed it but from wording alone I would assume that's energy, experimental, and torpedo. plus 30% hull regen , plus 30% hull. Unless there is something about this trait I don't understand then I am baffled as to why people don't use it.
My beams hit around 16-17k per beam per crit so it is possible specially with how cryptic works that some of these traits might not be working as intended and with as much dps as I put out in one salvo I wouldn't notice but as far as I can tell this new trait has no replace in my build unless it stacks and can give me 20-30% phaser damage I can't justify using it
So in the end it was most certainly a wasted purchase. Build wise and functionality wise and trait wise. It was a fail all around but then again I keep buying traits hoping they will make a difference. Live and learn. Atleast it wasn't as bad as when I got the Annorax for A time to kill and realized how hard it was to keep the buff up in an escort without spamming sci skills lol.
Happens to be my 3rd JH ship after JH Warship and Heavy Raider so I already know. I think the tier 6 mechanic was wrong and happy the new temporal warship in this pack doesnt have it
The reason why History is usually only picked by PvE tanks and not the standard DPS boat is that the dmg increase is only +30% dmg and not *bonus* dmg. Depending on how much those two dmg categories are saturated on a build the alternatives you get from Promise, Strike or the new traits can outdo it and are therefore better than History. They all offer bonus dmg increases on top of even better benefits than aggro generation.
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Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
The DSC era BoPs actually look more Romulan than Klingon
Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
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> Been reading through the debates in this thread about relative utility of traits and whether or not the new one displaces anything, and it got me wondering about Redirecting Arrays and how essential it actually is.
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> It might just be subjective, but I've logged a fair few hours with it and it doesn't seem like it does as much as I would think from the theory of it (up to +5s on FaW, i.e. 50%).
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> I'm running with Emergency Weapon Cycle/Cold-Hearted/Weapon Emitter Overdrive/Vaulting Ambition/Supercharged Weapons (due to Lorca's Ambition Set)
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> For a PvE damage build on the MW Flight Deck, provided I want to add in Superior Area Denial and Redirecting Arrays, would it be good to swap out WEO/VA or are there 2 other candidates? I'd love more trait slots for exactly this reason.
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> Sorry for responding late.
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> I must admit that I was never in a position to choose between a set of that good traits amongst any of my chars but chatted with feli about that case as well.
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> He agrees that one always wants to have a primary firing mode duration increase even if that’s only redirecting arrays. There is also the trait from the Gagarin - Entwined Tactical Matrices - which could work on ur torp/beam setup.
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> If you want to keep Supercharged Weapons I’d pick...
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> - EWC
> - Redirecting Arrays/Entwined Tactical Matrices
> - SAD
> - Supercharged Weapons
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> ...and actually replace Cold Hearted with Weapon Emitter Overdrive or Vaulting Ambition. Since I do not know how well the acc bonus of WEO works with fire at will or how bad the impact of the increased weapons drain for beams is I’d tent to the VA here most likely but simply cant tell for sure. If acc works with faw and the drain is not a problem WEO all the way. Beam land needs to be re-conquered after 2 years of scatter volley.
Well, I have outposts in beam land scatter land and exotic land, so I'd be on all sides of a rebalance... thanks for the confirmation about Entwined Matrices. It occurred to me after my last post, and seems like it might provide even more total FaW coverage time.
I don't have much cost mitigation on the build (only EWC and a spire core), plus Acc from Narrow Sensor Bands, so it's tempting to skip WEO, but I'm also an engineer, so it could work if I can time my captain powers right. Nice to know I'm not way off base.
Grind to unlock ship trait is /meh
At 1st I didnt really mind... but I have 4 Fed toons, 3 Roms, 3 KDF and 2 Doms... on 1 account.
It gets OLD when I have to "unlock" the same ship multiple times.
If it was unlock once... unlock across account. Then it wouldnt be that much of an issue.
So... yeah it's not really "fun".
Get on do event, log off. maybe doff, r&d or do 1 que or bz.
So, because they have given us nothing for a long period of time.. now we should clamor for whatever they decide to throw us now matter how good or bad it may be?
C'mon man.. you're smarter then this.
Besides, no one said you shouldn't buy it.. many people have bought at least one variant, the Warbird seems pretty popular. After watching the Federation and KDF faction get ships like the Gagarin and the Qugh, I don't think it's any surprise that these ships are a let down in comparison.
They're good ships.. they're just not great. People can decide for themselves rather or not they're worth buying. Personally, I bought one variant.. I'm happy enough with it, but it's an average ship.
azrael605, I think you and I both know there are some people here on this forum that will never admit they were wrong, or apologize.
Anyway, so love the romulan warbird look. Brought the entire pack since every single ship is a master piece. "Starts drooling"
I am considering getting one of them with the free ship coupon later after it comes off the new ship list though. They actually fit my style fairly well, I have no complaints with the seating and whatnot and the energy type thing is not too big of a problem since I tend to use plasma and polaron builds quite a bit.
EDIT: This is a bit off subject, but with all the mechanics talk I am wondering which parser is best at the moment.
> EDIT: This is a bit off subject, but with all the mechanics talk I am wondering which parser is best at the moment.
I use SCM, combined with keybinds to turn logging on and off. I only mention this one because I'm most familiar with it's interface. CLR has a nice ability to customize the format of the string/info you copy to chat, which is the vote in it's favor.
On a side note, STO is our fun, but to Cryptic is also a business and it pays their salaries and expands their workforce. Obviously if we want to see packs for ALL factions like that, this pack should succeed. So if a romulan says "I am not buying the pack because I want to see if they release more after it" and many follow that example - then yes it may end being the only pack since we pretty much vote with our wallet. Low sales will mean that releasing romulan and JH ships wont be a good business decision for them.
I have complained to them for a 100+ things(especially on KDF side even autopilot through clicking map destinations got problems like from Qonos to Fleet Shipyard) and being more than most a carriers captain on my main I dont have options in c-store but the ships pack is a step on the right direction
Fleet grade ships will be Lobi, Lockbox, Promotion, and Event (and Fleet). The only possibility of C-Store Fleet grade ships will be 3-pack Universal Faction releases (e.g., Cardassian, 31st Century).
We will not be seeing the Megapack releases anymore. Too large as they would need to be 12 ships to cover all the Factions. The largest will be Cross-faction 4 Ship releases.
Ship Consoles will be released from their shackles.
You want Fleet Ships for the new C-Store, buy FSMs or use the 13 you can get at Reputation T6.
Any thoughts?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'