But even here the traits have to compete with the pretty good stuff that’s already around.
Yeah, I totally agree.
The uncertainty on the trait coupled with the fact that while nice looking, these ships BoFF seating isn't really great for what I like to do (too thin on Engineering) means it will probably be a pass for me. Honestly, even if the trait didn't match your energy type (using the Phaser trait on a Plasma ship) it will still probably be a nice trait just for the haste.. but even on a matching build, is it worth taking over something like Promise of Ferocity? Or even a free trait like Improved Critical Systems?
Obviously, that depends on how long the trait lasts.. which of course they can't be bothered to tell us, but more then likely it will be a wash with a trait we already have. That's the best case scenario.
Yeah, but you have to admit - it's a pretty awful, and potentially expensive, way of finding out whether a trait is worthwhile or not.
This is my problem with it as well. They give us vague or missing information, don't answer any questions then expect us to pay money and 'hope for the best.'
I'm not buying anything unless I know exactly what I'm getting.
Of course, you can't even do that.. because they could always just change it later. Since the trait would be the most appealing thing to me, I think my best course of action is to pass on this.
I'm in the same boat. The trait is/was the primary draw for me, with my motivation admittedly being the benefit it might bring to my DSC Connie build.
Still - the trait AND the console, which offers a "passive boost" to the selected energy weapon type should be of benefit on paper - just a pity they've been so vague regarding the specifics.
What most use for energy boats can be classified carefully bit in an order of importance:
1) Build essentials or “must have” stuff peeps always tend to take:
- Emergency Weapons Power Cycle (+20% haste, -50% weapons power costs)
- Withering Barrage / Redirecting Arrays (longer duration of main firing mode)
2) Highly beneficial but also highly situational stuff (can be outsourced in high end runs or not needed in easy content):
- Cold Hearted (massive de-buff for general PvE)
- Superior Aerea Denial (de-buff /pet buff for general PvE)
- Invincible (self-sustainability in bad pugs or elite maps)
- Honored Dead (self-sustainability in bad pugs or elite maps)
3) Very good DPS filler Traits:
- Weapon Emitter Overdrive (+10% crit H, +50% Acc)
- Vaulting Ambition (175% Crit D for critters below 20% hull)
- Strike From Shadows (+5% crit H, +5% Bonus dmg)
- Promise of Ferocity (+20% Bonus dmg after 20 seconds)
- Calm Before the Storm (~33%/2 haste)
Now the new trait with its 10% haste and 5% bonus dmg is something that likely lines up in class c). Since the first 2 traits there are mega expensive peeps will most likely compare them with Strike, Promise or Calm. I can’t tell how much this 10% haste for energy weapons will give compared to, let’s say, 5% ship wide Crit H from Strike from shadows. I’m sure some reddit math geeks will filter it out, also the league admins test stuff rather fast so we should know better during the weekend.
I doubt the trait will turn out to be a “must have” or anything in light of the growing number of alternatives. Still, depending on the alternatives you *do* have (personaly) it could be worth getting.
If cryptic would not have pooed up the new means of trait distribution to sub-faction energy type limitations I would just have bought the whole pack during the discount weekend (including the deal with the token). There would have been “enough potential” amongst my 12 builds (10 of them are energy weapons) to justify it.
But the way they get released now I’m highly skeptical to buy even one ship at the sole chance to get a slightly better DPS filler trait for 2 or 3 fed toons of mine.
To be honest, I'm on the fence with this one. The only trait I'd be willing to drop is Promise of Ferocity, as in many cases (particuarly in a high DPS team) the benefit doesn't/barely even 'kick(s) in'. However, I'm not convinced that the new trait (from the new warships) will be significantly better.
So I guess my choice comes down to:
Keep 'Promise of Ferocity' (but with the setback already noted)
Buy new Warship and see how the trait from that performs, along with the passive bonus to phasers
Buy Tucker class and gain 'Redirecting Arrays' - which, as you note, seems more of a 'must have'.
Or I guess could see if can scrape enough EC together for the Mirror Escort Carrier and "Superior Area Denial" - with the ship I have in mind for the trait (DSC Connie), a trait that benefits pets AND Starship seems like a good one. But not keen on how expensive this would prove to be.
Sadly I cannot give you an "right" answer or advice here.
Power-creep and DPS is always a „risky“ business as far as longevity is concerned. With that I don’t mean necessarily nerfs but simply the fact that old stuff gets constantly replaced with new stuff being better making the old stuff “obsolete”. Now we have some cheap traits and items on builds never to be dropped for almost half a decade now while the most exclusive things form the most expensive origins can be mega-nice today but out of order by tomorrow.
If you ever can get a shot at Superior Area Denial it will surely shine espcially on a general PvE Discoprise (think the best of the choices here). Besides Sea’s recommendations to give it to the toon that I eventually did was that I just happen to have exactly that trait on it sealing my decision. Now it sadly costs a fortune probably until the next infinity lock box release. It is a mega good trait, team beneficial and for the Discoprise's pets in particular good to have but perhaps you should wait a tiny bit here till it gets cheaper?
As for Redirecting Arrays I’d weight such a zen store purchase against how many toons of yours it can be use on (I have 5 toons using it so yea is worth it). Do you have more fed side beam boats?
As for the new trait just let us enjoy the fruits of a well networked community and wait till, let’s say Sunday, when the sale is close to run out? Giving thumbs up or down on such things is a cool services of the league and splitting hairs on the finest details of number crunching a cool service of reddit.
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If you ever can get a shot at Superior Area Denial it will surely shine espcially on a general PvE Discoprise (think the best of the choices here). Besides Sea’s recommendations to give it to the toon that I eventually did was that I just happen to have exactly that trait on it sealing my decision. Now it sadly costs a fortune probably until the next infinity lock box release. It is a mega good trait, team beneficial and for the Discoprise's pets in particular good to have but perhaps you should wait a tiny bit here till it gets cheaper?
Man, I wish I had Superior Area Denial for my Discoprise.. I both envy and hate you.
I have it on my Romulans and my KDF since they can get it cheap, it's a great trait. Works great on a Scimitar with the Elite Drones. For feds though.. yeah, ouch.. way too expensive just for a trait. That was the one thing my AOY didn't have that I really wanted. She had all the other better traits, DPRM, etc.. but that one so far is just too expensive to chase.
If you ever can get a shot at Superior Area Denial it will surely shine espcially on a general PvE Discoprise (think the best of the choices here). Besides Sea’s recommendations to give it to the toon that I eventually did was that I just happen to have exactly that trait on it sealing my decision. Now it sadly costs a fortune probably until the next infinity lock box release. It is a mega good trait, team beneficial and for the Discoprise's pets in particular good to have but perhaps you should wait a tiny bit here till it gets cheaper?
Man, I wish I had Superior Area Denial for my Discoprise.. I both envy and hate you.
I have it on my Romulans and my KDF since they can get it cheap, it's a great trait. Works great on a Scimitar with the Elite Drones. For feds though.. yeah, ouch.. way too expensive just for a trait. That was the one thing my AOY didn't have that I really wanted. She had all the other better traits, DPRM, etc.. but that one so far is just too expensive to chase.
Yea. Unfortunately the price is obscene at the moment.
Back then I was very lucky to actually draw one with the keys I got from @kurumimorishita s screenshot contests. I also bought it for three other toons for a fraction of what it cost now, one of them Telora. In high end runs it is a strict support trait taken by the Recluse wing men so if you miss it out it’s not as big of a problem there. Of course for the Discoprise pets it’s just sweet as they get faw 1 over it while otherwise they don’t have any special firing mode and in general PvE you are never supported anyway so more de-buffs are more de-buffs there.
As for this de-buff part you, yourself have Cold Hearted turning hard critters into pasta in general PvE. Since @reyan01 does not have access to that one I think SAD is technically the best thing for him to get eventhough it comes at a high price. But we all pay that sooner or later if we play the DPS game, don't we Reyan?
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Been reading through the debates in this thread about relative utility of traits and whether or not the new one displaces anything, and it got me wondering about Redirecting Arrays and how essential it actually is.
It might just be subjective, but I've logged a fair few hours with it and it doesn't seem like it does as much as I would think from the theory of it (up to +5s on FaW, i.e. 50%).
I'm running with Emergency Weapon Cycle/Cold-Hearted/Weapon Emitter Overdrive/Vaulting Ambition/Supercharged Weapons (due to Lorca's Ambition Set)
For a PvE damage build on the MW Flight Deck, provided I want to add in Superior Area Denial and Redirecting Arrays, would it be good to swap out WEO/VA or are there 2 other candidates? I'd love more trait slots for exactly this reason.
"Special Introductory Pricing Discount! From July 18th at 8am PT to July 22nd at 10am PT, you can get these ships for 2400 ZEN each when purchased individually, or in a bundle with all four ships and a 50% off T6 Ship Coupon for the price of 6400 ZEN! Thereafter, they will return to their normal pricing at 3000 ZEN when purchased individually, or 8000 ZEN for the Bundle."
So, unless you posses a '50% off T6 Ship Coupon', there's essentially no discount on the bundle?! Yes, individual ships appear to get discounted, for a while, to 2,400 Zen (as per usual). But not for the entire bundle, it seems?
I read that as you GET a 50% off coupon with the bundle, to get another T6 ship of your choice for 1500 zen.
Yes, you do RECEIVE a 50% off T6 coupon along with the pack, and currently the bundle for all four ships and the coupon is 6400 Zen.
If you ever can get a shot at Superior Area Denial it will surely shine espcially on a general PvE Discoprise (think the best of the choices here). Besides Sea’s recommendations to give it to the toon that I eventually did was that I just happen to have exactly that trait on it sealing my decision. Now it sadly costs a fortune probably until the next infinity lock box release. It is a mega good trait, team beneficial and for the Discoprise's pets in particular good to have but perhaps you should wait a tiny bit here till it gets cheaper?
Man, I wish I had Superior Area Denial for my Discoprise.. I both envy and hate you.
I have it on my Romulans and my KDF since they can get it cheap, it's a great trait. Works great on a Scimitar with the Elite Drones. For feds though.. yeah, ouch.. way too expensive just for a trait. That was the one thing my AOY didn't have that I really wanted. She had all the other better traits, DPRM, etc.. but that one so far is just too expensive to chase.
Yea. Unfortunately the price is obscene at the moment.
Back then I was very lucky to actually draw one with the keys I got from @kurumimorishita s screenshot contests. I also bought it for three other toons for a fraction of what it cost now, one of them Telora. In high end runs it is a strict support trait taken by the Recluse wing men so if you miss it out it’s not as big of a problem there. Of course for the Discoprise pets it’s just sweet as they get faw 1 over it while otherwise they don’t have any special firing mode and in general PvE you are never supported anyway so more de-buffs are more de-buffs there.
As for this de-buff part you, yourself have Cold Hearted turning hard critters into pasta in general PvE. Since @reyan01 does not have access to that one I think SAD is technically the best thing for him to get eventhough it comes at a high price. But we all pay that sooner or later if we play the DPS game, don't we Reyan?
I guess so - I mean, I am feeling particularly motivated to make the DSC Constitution as effective as it could be (at least in my hands). To be honest I'm this close to saying I love it more than the Nova*
*I will note that the poor quality of the Nova class model is contributing toward this.
Have to admit, the 20% ship sale isn't helping my case here, in terms of the Tucker or the new Warship (and their traits), though!
Had a chat with feli in game a few mins ago. He thinks that if u happen to be on the right energy-type build (so phaser on a fed toon here) the new trait with it's haste should edge out Calm, Strike and Promise and would be the better call from now on for energy builds.
As I can use it on 3 fed toons I will likely get the phaser trait.
On the Discoprise my setup will then result in:
- EWC
- Redirecting Arrays
- SAD
- Heart of Sol
- Cold Hearted (as only 1 in team can use it to its full potential on a target I might take one of the other earlier mentioned dmg traits here. Let cannon players bring the heavy support stuff for a chnage)
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So can anyone confirm.. if I level the Romulan ship with my Federation Captain, do I get the Phaser Trait? or the Plasma Trait?
I know what the vague description says, but I would like confirmation from a player if possible.
Thanks.
{Edit} Confirmed, Feds get Phaser trait for leveling the Romulan or Jem ship. Asked a few players in DPS Channels.
I'll likely get the Warbird since the trait sounds good, all my Feds run Phaser, one of my Roms runs Plasma, I have a Disruptor based Klingon, and my Jem Runs Polaron.
Thanks @peterconnorfirst for the info on the trait, appreciated as always!
Hopefully this is the last faction based ship trait they do. It doesn't seem like its too popular of an idea. 'Forcing' people to use a specific favor or energy weapon based on what faction they are. Not to mention that there is no option if your character uses tetryon or AP.
Unless... these traits show up in the FREE trait window like some of the KDF or Fed only traits in the Dil Store window? Then all it would mean is you have to master the Romulan ship on a Romulan and it unlocks a free trait for your non-Romulans. That would be great.
Well I sort of like my toons themed so I bought the full pack. On top of it with the coupon I got at 1500 zen the JH Vanguard Carrier since my Gorn mainly uses carriers and its a great option
You will need to unlock that JH Carrier with a Jem'Hader Character before your Gorn can use it.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I ended up getting the Jem'Hadar ship since any character of any faction can use it. I was going to go Romulan, but in the end, my Romulans all have better ships and I have a Jem Engineer that's just basically an Admiralty character.. I put him in it.
That being said, here are my brief thoughts on the ships..
Honestly, they're nothing special and in my personal opinion the purchase of the entire bundle is very hard to justify even at the sale price. I say this for a couple reasons..
Outside of looks, these ships bring little to nothing new. There are a couple things you get, the Dominion ship gives your fed a chance to use Jem'Hadar Wingmen, or your Fed/Klingon to fly a Warbird.. but the problem is, they're getting this at the cost of an otherwise unremarkable ship.
The weapon layout is nice, the console layout is fine, and the bridge officer seating is acceptable.
The console is really cool to watch, but the damage is very low and overall it's not worth slotting due to it's lack of effectiveness.
The trait is good, but because of the way they set it up, all the ships have the same trait.
This is Cryptic shooting themselves in the foot because now there is little to no reason to buy multiple ships. There is no console set to collect, you only get one trait no matter how many ships you buy, so the only thing you really get for 64k Zen is a single trait, 4 ship skins with copy/paste stats, and 4 admiralty cards.
Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing on anyone that purchased the pack. It's just not the best overall deal available. I have leveled the Jem ship on a couple characters.. it's a good ship. It's fun to fly, it does pretty good damage and has an acceptable layout. Outside of having wingmen though, it's just nothing to get excited about. The choice to go with Temporal spec really really hurts these ships. Had they been something more desirable like MW ships or even Intel ships, it would have added a lot of appeal.
In the end, I bought a single ship and I am happy with the purchase. 8 of my 10 characters will benefit from the trait, one character will actually fly the ship, and I got an admiralty card for everyone.
To rate these ships on a purely subjective scale based on nothing but my own personal taste an opinion, I would give them a 7/10. To be honest, most of that rating is the trait.
I already unlocked the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Warship, account-wide. So, I was thinking, the other day, why would I get a new Jem ship, that's basically inferior to the one I already have?! Jem'Hadar Vanguard Warship has 2x Lt. Cmdr seats, it has the wingmen, the same Jem interior, etc.
Then there's the Rom ship. The idea of being able to use a Singularity core on my pure Fed, I must admit, was appealing. But, like you say, it's otherwise not a very remarkable ship. And, on a personal note, I don't like Cryptic apparently went full-lazy on them, and didn't even bother to give it the already existing Temporal bridge.
And the Fed ship? Just another saucer -- the least imaginative ship of the release, IMHO.
And the Traits? I'm actually experiencing Trait-fatigue a bit, regular and rep wise. I already have way too many of them (and all the good ones, of course), but still only 5 slots (which, btw, is why I went straight for that Fleet Miranda, the other day).
I ended up getting the Jem'Hadar ship since any character of any faction can use it. I was going to go Romulan, but in the end, my Romulans all have better ships and I have a Jem Engineer that's just basically an Admiralty character.. I put him in it.
That being said, here are my brief thoughts on the ships..
Honestly, they're nothing special and in my personal opinion the purchase of the entire bundle is very hard to justify even at the sale price. I say this for a couple reasons..
Outside of looks, these ships bring little to nothing new. There are a couple things you get, the Dominion ship gives your fed a chance to use Jem'Hadar Wingmen, or your Fed/Klingon to fly a Warbird.. but the problem is, they're getting this at the cost of an otherwise unremarkable ship.
The weapon layout is nice, the console layout is fine, and the bridge officer seating is acceptable.
The console is really cool to watch, but the damage is very low and overall it's not worth slotting due to it's lack of effectiveness.
The trait is good, but because of the way they set it up, all the ships have the same trait.
This is Cryptic shooting themselves in the foot because now there is little to no reason to buy multiple ships. There is no console set to collect, you only get one trait no matter how many ships you buy, so the only thing you really get for 64k Zen is a single trait, 4 ship skins with copy/paste stats, and 4 admiralty cards.
Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing on anyone that purchased the pack. It's just not the best overall deal available. I have leveled the Jem ship on a couple characters.. it's a good ship. It's fun to fly, it does pretty good damage and has an acceptable layout. Outside of having wingmen though, it's just nothing to get excited about. The choice to go with Temporal spec really really hurts these ships. Had they been something more desirable like MW ships or even Intel ships, it would have added a lot of appeal.
In the end, I bought a single ship and I am happy with the purchase. 8 of my 10 characters will benefit from the trait, one character will actually fly the ship, and I got an admiralty card for everyone.
To rate these ships on a purely subjective scale based on nothing but my own personal taste an opinion, I would give them a 7/10. To be honest, most of that rating is the trait.
Nice!
So you got the Jem ship as it can be claimed for both main factions and then only used that one to unlock the four respective sub-faction traits where they fit.
This is indeed a very new, let’s say, un-Cryptic way of a ship sale model but why not. Peeps have to accept a limitation for the energy types here but therefore it ships fairly cheap.
By any chance did you notice if the new ship's console is treated similar or do you always get the polaron version now? And if so can you take it off the jem ship and put in on a fed ship for example?
If that’s the case it would be perfect for me as I’m on a similar quest as @coldnapalm and try to build a tac/epg mix on one of my chars (polaron DEW/epg in my case). The console would only fit there I belive, if at all.
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"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
ROFLMMFAO right back @ you. I really would have expected that, after all those years in STO, you had developed a discerning sense for ship stats, and don't just blindly buy stuff 'Simply because it is a shiny new Rom ship.' I, at least, don't buy that way. Yes, I can be enthusiastic about this or that ship; but that doesn't mean I totally abadon my common sense. At the end of the day, if I possess similar ships that are, point-for-point, substantially better than the new ones they're offering, then I'm not getting the new ships -- unless they're giving them away from free, of course.
If you ever can get a shot at Superior Area Denial it will surely shine espcially on a general PvE Discoprise (think the best of the choices here). Besides Sea’s recommendations to give it to the toon that I eventually did was that I just happen to have exactly that trait on it sealing my decision. Now it sadly costs a fortune probably until the next infinity lock box release. It is a mega good trait, team beneficial and for the Discoprise's pets in particular good to have but perhaps you should wait a tiny bit here till it gets cheaper?
Man, I wish I had Superior Area Denial for my Discoprise.. I both envy and hate you.
I have it on my Romulans and my KDF since they can get it cheap, it's a great trait. Works great on a Scimitar with the Elite Drones. For feds though.. yeah, ouch.. way too expensive just for a trait. That was the one thing my AOY didn't have that I really wanted. She had all the other better traits, DPRM, etc.. but that one so far is just too expensive to chase.
Yea. Unfortunately the price is obscene at the moment.
Back then I was very lucky to actually draw one with the keys I got from @kurumimorishita s screenshot contests. I also bought it for three other toons for a fraction of what it cost now, one of them Telora. In high end runs it is a strict support trait taken by the Recluse wing men so if you miss it out it’s not as big of a problem there. Of course for the Discoprise pets it’s just sweet as they get faw 1 over it while otherwise they don’t have any special firing mode and in general PvE you are never supported anyway so more de-buffs are more de-buffs there.
As for this de-buff part you, yourself have Cold Hearted turning hard critters into pasta in general PvE. Since @reyan01 does not have access to that one I think SAD is technically the best thing for him to get eventhough it comes at a high price. But we all pay that sooner or later if we play the DPS game, don't we Reyan?
I guess so - I mean, I am feeling particularly motivated to make the DSC Constitution as effective as it could be (at least in my hands). To be honest I'm this close to saying I love it more than the Nova*
*I will note that the poor quality of the Nova class model is contributing toward this.
Have to admit, the 20% ship sale isn't helping my case here, in terms of the Tucker or the new Warship (and their traits), though!
Had a chat with feli in game a few mins ago. He thinks that if u happen to be on the right energy-type build (so phaser on a fed toon here) the new trait with it's haste should edge out Calm, Strike and Promise and would be the better call from now on for energy builds.
As I can use it on 3 fed toons I will likely get the phaser trait.
On the Discoprise my setup will then result in:
- EWC
- Redirecting Arrays
- SAD
- Heart of Sol
- Cold Hearted (as only 1 in team can use it to its full potential on a target I might take one of the other earlier mentioned dmg traits here. Let cannon players bring the heavy support stuff for a chnage)
Well, having unlocked the new trait mine look like this now:
- Emergency Weapon Cycle
- Scramble Fighters
- Calm Before the Storm
- Heart of Sol
- Built to Last
Have to say, whilst haven't been in a run of ISA that was parsed yet it does feel as if my Discoprise is slightly more effective. Seemed to make slightly shorter work of my targets in Starbase One and Peril over Pahvo.
That reads alright.
If you have Promise of Ferocity and don’t need Calm before the Storm as cooldown mechanic or anything I’d consider exchanging those. I’m not familiar with its details but we should also have some sort of diminishing return effect for general hastes and in everything but super short matches calm should stack up reliably and don’t do enter in those 20 second cycles as calm does.
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Been reading through the debates in this thread about relative utility of traits and whether or not the new one displaces anything, and it got me wondering about Redirecting Arrays and how essential it actually is.
It might just be subjective, but I've logged a fair few hours with it and it doesn't seem like it does as much as I would think from the theory of it (up to +5s on FaW, i.e. 50%).
I'm running with Emergency Weapon Cycle/Cold-Hearted/Weapon Emitter Overdrive/Vaulting Ambition/Supercharged Weapons (due to Lorca's Ambition Set)
For a PvE damage build on the MW Flight Deck, provided I want to add in Superior Area Denial and Redirecting Arrays, would it be good to swap out WEO/VA or are there 2 other candidates? I'd love more trait slots for exactly this reason.
Sorry for responding late.
I must admit that I was never in a position to choose between a set of that good traits amongst any of my chars but chatted with feli about that case as well.
He agrees that one always wants to have a primary firing mode duration increase even if that’s only redirecting arrays. There is also the trait from the Gagarin - Entwined Tactical Matrices - which could work on ur torp/beam setup.
If you want to keep Supercharged Weapons I’d pick...
...and actually replace Cold Hearted with Weapon Emitter Overdrive or Vaulting Ambition. Since I do not know how well the acc bonus of WEO works with fire at will or how bad the impact of the increased weapons drain for beams is I’d tent to the VA here most likely but simply cant tell for sure. If acc works with faw and the drain is not a problem WEO all the way. Beam land needs to be re-conquered after 2 years of scatter volley.
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"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
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"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
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I'm curious why they decided to not to continue to use the T6 mastery level for account unlock.
Really weird direction IMO.
This really grinds my gears too!
Unlock at T6 Mastery really served the main purpose of keeping you focussed, at length, on your new Jem recruit (hoping you'd spend monies on said toon while at it). That purpose simply no longer exists.
I'm curious why they decided to not to continue to use the T6 mastery level for account unlock.
Really weird direction IMO.
This really grinds my gears too!
Really exited about this bundle, they all look great!
Umm...why? You WANT to grind before you can use the ship you wanna? I can see why the devs would like the T6 mastery...but for the players, what they have now is better...by far.
What is really weird is that they faction bound the console and trait. If those were ship bound, there would be WAY more reason to get that bundle vs a single ship...especially the rom and dom ones as ALL toons can use those for the trait and console.
Not getting what you mean by "WANT to grind before you can use the ship...". Did anything significant change in this regard? I certainly would like to have it, so that if you unlock a trait on one ship you can use it on the whole account. But that is just an option for a very limited number of ships, as I understand it. And the comment by phoenix I quoted was referring to that NOT being applied to all ships. At least that is how I understood it.
I would even love to have it unlock on purchase!
What part of "they all look good" didn't you get? Couldn't care less about trait stats. In space barbie a là Star Trek that is what counts, at least for me.
I purchased the ship, personally its already mothballed and the trait most certainly doesn't cut it to make it into my top 5 to get into my queue.
I ended up getting the Romulan one which was kinda interesting since I hadn't flown a Romulan ship before and almost immediately after a few runs of Argala I knew this ship wasn't going to make it as a pure tac escort. It just diverged way to much from my understanding of a escort build that I just have to give up on it.
Though the 4 x 4 weapons dock was intriguing in the end I would rather have my experimental slot for my graviton implosion charges. Poor mans GW into torp spread.
It was interesting but not note worthy and ended up being another wasted buy for me since the ship isn't better then my other destroyers or escorts build wise and just doesn't excite me.
Also finding out I can't get the bajorian set singularity core also aggravated me to no end or at least I don't see how I can do that.
And the last part was the trait. I was hoping it would at least stack a bit to get the damage at least to 30% it didn't so I was very unhappy with it, much like the ruin of our enemies trait.
Anyhow it just wasn't good enough to push out
Vaulting Ambition: Being a min maxer is al about watching numbers roll higher and higher
Entwined Matrices: which is a lot better then redirecting arrays and holds bfaw a lot longer and if timed right and built right can pretty much permanently keep befaw up
Supremacy: Always keps my power levels over 100 and helped make Leech console useless and removable from my rolls. I want to replace it but it's pretty good at managing my power levels for me and bfaw and entwined seems to constantly keep me rolling with out much if any dps drops.
supercharged weapons: With a torp in front and back you literally keep this up easily without much work. Will probably remove one torp eventually and replace them with advanced phaser arrays with the next phoenix event.
History will remember: No idea why people skip over this trait. It stacks to thirty and remains with you till you leave the scene. 30% to all damage. I haven't parsed it but from wording alone I would assume that's energy, experimental, and torpedo. plus 30% hull regen , plus 30% hull. Unless there is something about this trait I don't understand then I am baffled as to why people don't use it.
My beams hit around 16-17k per beam per crit so it is possible specially with how cryptic works that some of these traits might not be working as intended and with as much dps as I put out in one salvo I wouldn't notice but as far as I can tell this new trait has no replace in my build unless it stacks and can give me 20-30% phaser damage I can't justify using it
So in the end it was most certainly a wasted purchase. Build wise and functionality wise and trait wise. It was a fail all around but then again I keep buying traits hoping they will make a difference. Live and learn. Atleast it wasn't as bad as when I got the Annorax for A time to kill and realized how hard it was to keep the buff up in an escort without spamming sci skills lol.
You will need to unlock that JH Carrier with a Jem'Hader Character before your Gorn can use it.
Happens to be my 3rd JH ship after JH Warship and Heavy Raider so I already know. I think the tier 6 mechanic was wrong and happy the new temporal warship in this pack doesnt have it
I purchased the ship, personally its already mothballed and the trait most certainly doesn't cut it to make it into my top 5 to get into my queue.
I ended up getting the Romulan one which was kinda interesting since I hadn't flown a Romulan ship before and almost immediately after a few runs of Argala I knew this ship wasn't going to make it as a pure tac escort. It just diverged way to much from my understanding of a escort build that I just have to give up on it.
Though the 4 x 4 weapons dock was intriguing in the end I would rather have my experimental slot for my graviton implosion charges. Poor mans GW into torp spread.
It was interesting but not note worthy and ended up being another wasted buy for me since the ship isn't better then my other destroyers or escorts build wise and just doesn't excite me.
Also finding out I can't get the bajorian set singularity core also aggravated me to no end or at least I don't see how I can do that.
And the last part was the trait. I was hoping it would at least stack a bit to get the damage at least to 30% it didn't so I was very unhappy with it, much like the ruin of our enemies trait.
Anyhow it just wasn't good enough to push out
Vaulting Ambition: Being a min maxer is al about watching numbers roll higher and higher
Entwined Matrices: which is a lot better then redirecting arrays and holds bfaw a lot longer and if timed right and built right can pretty much permanently keep befaw up
Supremacy: Always keps my power levels over 100 and helped make Leech console useless and removable from my rolls. I want to replace it but it's pretty good at managing my power levels for me and bfaw and entwined seems to constantly keep me rolling with out much if any dps drops.
supercharged weapons: With a torp in front and back you literally keep this up easily without much work. Will probably remove one torp eventually and replace them with advanced phaser arrays with the next phoenix event.
History will remember: No idea why people skip over this trait. It stacks to thirty and remains with you till you leave the scene. 30% to all damage. I haven't parsed it but from wording alone I would assume that's energy, experimental, and torpedo. plus 30% hull regen , plus 30% hull. Unless there is something about this trait I don't understand then I am baffled as to why people don't use it.
My beams hit around 16-17k per beam per crit so it is possible specially with how cryptic works that some of these traits might not be working as intended and with as much dps as I put out in one salvo I wouldn't notice but as far as I can tell this new trait has no replace in my build unless it stacks and can give me 20-30% phaser damage I can't justify using it
So in the end it was most certainly a wasted purchase. Build wise and functionality wise and trait wise. It was a fail all around but then again I keep buying traits hoping they will make a difference. Live and learn. Atleast it wasn't as bad as when I got the Annorax for A time to kill and realized how hard it was to keep the buff up in an escort without spamming sci skills lol.
The reason why History is usually only picked by PvE tanks and not the standard DPS boat is that the dmg increase is only +30% dmg and not *bonus* dmg. Depending on how much those two dmg categories are saturated on a build the alternatives you get from Promise, Strike or the new traits can outdo it and are therefore better than History. They all offer bonus dmg increases on top of even better benefits than aggro generation.
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"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
The DSC era BoPs actually look more Romulan than Klingon
I'm curious why they decided to not to continue to use the T6 mastery level for account unlock.
Really weird direction IMO.
This really grinds my gears too!
Really exited about this bundle, they all look great!
Umm...why? You WANT to grind before you can use the ship you wanna? I can see why the devs would like the T6 mastery...but for the players, what they have now is better...by far.
It was something to do with a meaningful reward at the end. Some people do indeed rather want to play the game than being given things for free.
"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
The DSC era BoPs actually look more Romulan than Klingon
Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
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Sadly I cannot give you an "right" answer or advice here.
Power-creep and DPS is always a „risky“ business as far as longevity is concerned. With that I don’t mean necessarily nerfs but simply the fact that old stuff gets constantly replaced with new stuff being better making the old stuff “obsolete”. Now we have some cheap traits and items on builds never to be dropped for almost half a decade now while the most exclusive things form the most expensive origins can be mega-nice today but out of order by tomorrow.
If you ever can get a shot at Superior Area Denial it will surely shine espcially on a general PvE Discoprise (think the best of the choices here). Besides Sea’s recommendations to give it to the toon that I eventually did was that I just happen to have exactly that trait on it sealing my decision. Now it sadly costs a fortune probably until the next infinity lock box release. It is a mega good trait, team beneficial and for the Discoprise's pets in particular good to have but perhaps you should wait a tiny bit here till it gets cheaper?
As for Redirecting Arrays I’d weight such a zen store purchase against how many toons of yours it can be use on (I have 5 toons using it so yea is worth it). Do you have more fed side beam boats?
As for the new trait just let us enjoy the fruits of a well networked community and wait till, let’s say Sunday, when the sale is close to run out? Giving thumbs up or down on such things is a cool services of the league and splitting hairs on the finest details of number crunching a cool service of reddit.
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Man, I wish I had Superior Area Denial for my Discoprise.. I both envy and hate you.
I have it on my Romulans and my KDF since they can get it cheap, it's a great trait. Works great on a Scimitar with the Elite Drones. For feds though.. yeah, ouch.. way too expensive just for a trait. That was the one thing my AOY didn't have that I really wanted. She had all the other better traits, DPRM, etc.. but that one so far is just too expensive to chase.
Yea. Unfortunately the price is obscene at the moment.
Back then I was very lucky to actually draw one with the keys I got from @kurumimorishita s screenshot contests. I also bought it for three other toons for a fraction of what it cost now, one of them Telora. In high end runs it is a strict support trait taken by the Recluse wing men so if you miss it out it’s not as big of a problem there. Of course for the Discoprise pets it’s just sweet as they get faw 1 over it while otherwise they don’t have any special firing mode and in general PvE you are never supported anyway so more de-buffs are more de-buffs there.
As for this de-buff part you, yourself have Cold Hearted turning hard critters into pasta in general PvE. Since @reyan01 does not have access to that one I think SAD is technically the best thing for him to get eventhough it comes at a high price. But we all pay that sooner or later if we play the DPS game, don't we Reyan?
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It might just be subjective, but I've logged a fair few hours with it and it doesn't seem like it does as much as I would think from the theory of it (up to +5s on FaW, i.e. 50%).
I'm running with Emergency Weapon Cycle/Cold-Hearted/Weapon Emitter Overdrive/Vaulting Ambition/Supercharged Weapons (due to Lorca's Ambition Set)
For a PvE damage build on the MW Flight Deck, provided I want to add in Superior Area Denial and Redirecting Arrays, would it be good to swap out WEO/VA or are there 2 other candidates? I'd love more trait slots for exactly this reason.
Yes, you do RECEIVE a 50% off T6 coupon along with the pack, and currently the bundle for all four ships and the coupon is 6400 Zen.
Had a chat with feli in game a few mins ago. He thinks that if u happen to be on the right energy-type build (so phaser on a fed toon here) the new trait with it's haste should edge out Calm, Strike and Promise and would be the better call from now on for energy builds.
As I can use it on 3 fed toons I will likely get the phaser trait.
On the Discoprise my setup will then result in:
- EWC
- Redirecting Arrays
- SAD
- Heart of Sol
- Cold Hearted (as only 1 in team can use it to its full potential on a target I might take one of the other earlier mentioned dmg traits here. Let cannon players bring the heavy support stuff for a chnage)
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I know what the vague description says, but I would like confirmation from a player if possible.
Thanks.
{Edit} Confirmed, Feds get Phaser trait for leveling the Romulan or Jem ship. Asked a few players in DPS Channels.
I'll likely get the Warbird since the trait sounds good, all my Feds run Phaser, one of my Roms runs Plasma, I have a Disruptor based Klingon, and my Jem Runs Polaron.
Thanks @peterconnorfirst for the info on the trait, appreciated as always!
Unless... these traits show up in the FREE trait window like some of the KDF or Fed only traits in the Dil Store window? Then all it would mean is you have to master the Romulan ship on a Romulan and it unlocks a free trait for your non-Romulans. That would be great.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
That being said, here are my brief thoughts on the ships..
Honestly, they're nothing special and in my personal opinion the purchase of the entire bundle is very hard to justify even at the sale price. I say this for a couple reasons..
Outside of looks, these ships bring little to nothing new. There are a couple things you get, the Dominion ship gives your fed a chance to use Jem'Hadar Wingmen, or your Fed/Klingon to fly a Warbird.. but the problem is, they're getting this at the cost of an otherwise unremarkable ship.
The weapon layout is nice, the console layout is fine, and the bridge officer seating is acceptable.
The console is really cool to watch, but the damage is very low and overall it's not worth slotting due to it's lack of effectiveness.
The trait is good, but because of the way they set it up, all the ships have the same trait.
This is Cryptic shooting themselves in the foot because now there is little to no reason to buy multiple ships. There is no console set to collect, you only get one trait no matter how many ships you buy, so the only thing you really get for 64k Zen is a single trait, 4 ship skins with copy/paste stats, and 4 admiralty cards.
Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing on anyone that purchased the pack. It's just not the best overall deal available. I have leveled the Jem ship on a couple characters.. it's a good ship. It's fun to fly, it does pretty good damage and has an acceptable layout. Outside of having wingmen though, it's just nothing to get excited about. The choice to go with Temporal spec really really hurts these ships. Had they been something more desirable like MW ships or even Intel ships, it would have added a lot of appeal.
In the end, I bought a single ship and I am happy with the purchase. 8 of my 10 characters will benefit from the trait, one character will actually fly the ship, and I got an admiralty card for everyone.
To rate these ships on a purely subjective scale based on nothing but my own personal taste an opinion, I would give them a 7/10. To be honest, most of that rating is the trait.
I already unlocked the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Warship, account-wide. So, I was thinking, the other day, why would I get a new Jem ship, that's basically inferior to the one I already have?! Jem'Hadar Vanguard Warship has 2x Lt. Cmdr seats, it has the wingmen, the same Jem interior, etc.
Then there's the Rom ship. The idea of being able to use a Singularity core on my pure Fed, I must admit, was appealing. But, like you say, it's otherwise not a very remarkable ship. And, on a personal note, I don't like Cryptic apparently went full-lazy on them, and didn't even bother to give it the already existing Temporal bridge.
And the Fed ship? Just another saucer -- the least imaginative ship of the release, IMHO.
And the Traits? I'm actually experiencing Trait-fatigue a bit, regular and rep wise. I already have way too many of them (and all the good ones, of course), but still only 5 slots (which, btw, is why I went straight for that Fleet Miranda, the other day).
Nice!
So you got the Jem ship as it can be claimed for both main factions and then only used that one to unlock the four respective sub-faction traits where they fit.
This is indeed a very new, let’s say, un-Cryptic way of a ship sale model but why not. Peeps have to accept a limitation for the energy types here but therefore it ships fairly cheap.
By any chance did you notice if the new ship's console is treated similar or do you always get the polaron version now? And if so can you take it off the jem ship and put in on a fed ship for example?
If that’s the case it would be perfect for me as I’m on a similar quest as @coldnapalm and try to build a tac/epg mix on one of my chars (polaron DEW/epg in my case). The console would only fit there I belive, if at all.
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ROFLMMFAO right back @ you.
That reads alright.
If you have Promise of Ferocity and don’t need Calm before the Storm as cooldown mechanic or anything I’d consider exchanging those. I’m not familiar with its details but we should also have some sort of diminishing return effect for general hastes and in everything but super short matches calm should stack up reliably and don’t do enter in those 20 second cycles as calm does.
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Sorry for responding late.
I must admit that I was never in a position to choose between a set of that good traits amongst any of my chars but chatted with feli about that case as well.
He agrees that one always wants to have a primary firing mode duration increase even if that’s only redirecting arrays. There is also the trait from the Gagarin - Entwined Tactical Matrices - which could work on ur torp/beam setup.
If you want to keep Supercharged Weapons I’d pick...
- EWC
- Redirecting Arrays/Entwined Tactical Matrices
- SAD
- Supercharged Weapons
...and actually replace Cold Hearted with Weapon Emitter Overdrive or Vaulting Ambition. Since I do not know how well the acc bonus of WEO works with fire at will or how bad the impact of the increased weapons drain for beams is I’d tent to the VA here most likely but simply cant tell for sure. If acc works with faw and the drain is not a problem WEO all the way. Beam land needs to be re-conquered after 2 years of scatter volley.
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A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
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We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
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This really grinds my gears too!
Really exited about this bundle, they all look great!
Unlock at T6 Mastery really served the main purpose of keeping you focussed, at length, on your new Jem recruit (hoping you'd spend monies on said toon while at it). That purpose simply no longer exists.
Not getting what you mean by "WANT to grind before you can use the ship...". Did anything significant change in this regard? I certainly would like to have it, so that if you unlock a trait on one ship you can use it on the whole account. But that is just an option for a very limited number of ships, as I understand it. And the comment by phoenix I quoted was referring to that NOT being applied to all ships. At least that is how I understood it.
I would even love to have it unlock on purchase!
What part of "they all look good" didn't you get? Couldn't care less about trait stats. In space barbie a là Star Trek that is what counts, at least for me.
I ended up getting the Romulan one which was kinda interesting since I hadn't flown a Romulan ship before and almost immediately after a few runs of Argala I knew this ship wasn't going to make it as a pure tac escort. It just diverged way to much from my understanding of a escort build that I just have to give up on it.
Though the 4 x 4 weapons dock was intriguing in the end I would rather have my experimental slot for my graviton implosion charges. Poor mans GW into torp spread.
It was interesting but not note worthy and ended up being another wasted buy for me since the ship isn't better then my other destroyers or escorts build wise and just doesn't excite me.
Also finding out I can't get the bajorian set singularity core also aggravated me to no end or at least I don't see how I can do that.
And the last part was the trait. I was hoping it would at least stack a bit to get the damage at least to 30% it didn't so I was very unhappy with it, much like the ruin of our enemies trait.
Anyhow it just wasn't good enough to push out
Vaulting Ambition: Being a min maxer is al about watching numbers roll higher and higher
Entwined Matrices: which is a lot better then redirecting arrays and holds bfaw a lot longer and if timed right and built right can pretty much permanently keep befaw up
Supremacy: Always keps my power levels over 100 and helped make Leech console useless and removable from my rolls. I want to replace it but it's pretty good at managing my power levels for me and bfaw and entwined seems to constantly keep me rolling with out much if any dps drops.
supercharged weapons: With a torp in front and back you literally keep this up easily without much work. Will probably remove one torp eventually and replace them with advanced phaser arrays with the next phoenix event.
History will remember: No idea why people skip over this trait. It stacks to thirty and remains with you till you leave the scene. 30% to all damage. I haven't parsed it but from wording alone I would assume that's energy, experimental, and torpedo. plus 30% hull regen , plus 30% hull. Unless there is something about this trait I don't understand then I am baffled as to why people don't use it.
My beams hit around 16-17k per beam per crit so it is possible specially with how cryptic works that some of these traits might not be working as intended and with as much dps as I put out in one salvo I wouldn't notice but as far as I can tell this new trait has no replace in my build unless it stacks and can give me 20-30% phaser damage I can't justify using it
So in the end it was most certainly a wasted purchase. Build wise and functionality wise and trait wise. It was a fail all around but then again I keep buying traits hoping they will make a difference. Live and learn. Atleast it wasn't as bad as when I got the Annorax for A time to kill and realized how hard it was to keep the buff up in an escort without spamming sci skills lol.
Happens to be my 3rd JH ship after JH Warship and Heavy Raider so I already know. I think the tier 6 mechanic was wrong and happy the new temporal warship in this pack doesnt have it
The reason why History is usually only picked by PvE tanks and not the standard DPS boat is that the dmg increase is only +30% dmg and not *bonus* dmg. Depending on how much those two dmg categories are saturated on a build the alternatives you get from Promise, Strike or the new traits can outdo it and are therefore better than History. They all offer bonus dmg increases on top of even better benefits than aggro generation.
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Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
The DSC era BoPs actually look more Romulan than Klingon
Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.