"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
The DSC era BoPs actually look more Romulan than Klingon
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Space ships aren't steaks, and the C-Store isn't a restaurant. It's as shop for virtual goods and services. You can hate that you have to wait until certain new types of items get into the shop, but... that's just how things are with shops sometimes. And while they don't have anything you want, you don't give them any money and don't spend any time in the shop.
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'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
A:"Here is your Romulan Warbird, Sir!"
B:"That is not the Warbird I wanted!"
A:"But that's the only fresh one we have."
B:"How dare you insult me with this thing that is not precicely what I dreamed of!"
A:"Here is your Romulan Warbird, Sir!"
B:"That is not the Warbird I wanted!"
A:"But that's the only fresh one we have."
B:"How dare you insult me with this thing that is not precicely what I dreamed of!"
sounds like false entitlement to me.
That argument works remarkably both ways.
A: "Here's our brand new model TV!"
B: "Sorry, I was looking for something else."
A: "How dare you insult us by not buying what we're offering?!"
Sounds like false entitlement to me. You make something, and ppl either like it, or they don't. It's really that simple.
Oh and we spend time in the game...which is their bloody shop under this model. Yeah I don't like it, I can stop Theplaying...which I am pretty much one step short of doing. But you can also just walk out of the restaurant as well.
It is still a bad analogy.
When you go into a restaurant, you go there to get food. The food you want is only getting made if you order it.
If you go into a shop, the stuff in there is there independent of whether you personally wanted it.
The C-Store is a shop accessible in game, like some store in a theme park. You probably don't go to the theme park just for the store, but if you do and the store doesn't offer anything you want (anymore), it would be not surprising if you didn't go to theme park.
Hell, this pack proves that their excuses of it's because of AoD falling flat on it's face as this pack has two Micheal Burnham show ships with two Cryptic design ships for Roms and Doms.
It isn't really falling flat on its face. This time they had the resources to build 4 ships instead of 2, they hadn't before.
We can speculate why and maybe we'll never know. But one thing that comes to my mind:
Remember that many of these ships were already in he game before we could fly them, particularly the Klingon ones, since they were used in story-line missions and TFOs. That probably meant that that for some time, Cryptic ship artist resources were spent on NPC models that weren't flyable yet. Even if they didn't make it into a C-Store pack yet, they still needed to be made (at least the artist and NPC stats side. The player-stats could be delayed until later).
We know that some stuff was already in the works months before it gets released.
Umm...well no duh there captain obvious. The point was that there is a point in time where no reasons or excuses they give begins to not even matter anymore. Let's be fair here, if a restaurant took 4 hours to get you your food...they ain't getting your money. Nor should they expect you to be happy. Nor should they expect you to come back. Some people seem to think that you should give praise and be happy you got anything at all. And the funny thing is, it's not even a matter of me not liking what they provided (I actually really like how the romulan ship looks)...it's a matter of then taking almost two years to get it to me. All excuses kinda ceases to matter. Which is the point of the analogy. I really fail to see why this concept is so hard to understand.
Obviously, we're just talking among ourselves here. AFAIK There is no Cryptic employee that says: "But you must buy this, you wanted a Romulan ship, if you don't buy this one, you betray our sacred relationship!"
Though I actually found it interesting listening to their podcast and hearing their rationale for making it this ship. Many Science fans hoped for the Hoover (due to its design similarities to a Nebula and the current lack of C-Store Disco Science Vessels) it could be one. But Jette said that Science Vessels just don't have as big as an appeal as other ships, and they made it a Warship deliberately to appeal to as many people as possible.
I don't know what you would have wanted. Just tiny changes? DIfferent Spec? Different Look? Different Ship Class?
I would have preferred a new Science Vessel, but I buy most ships anyway, so I guess so far it doesn't really matter for Cryptic to appeal to my preferences. I only get picky about lockbox/promo/lobi ships. There is always something fun about flying a new ship, testing out its space barbie options and its new traits and consoles. I can accept if it's only short-lived fun and I end up playing "old" ships on most characters after a while.
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Science Ships don't sell well, so I'll guess we just put the Crossfield in a Lockbox then, then even less people will want it.
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We recently vacationed in Denver to visit my Daughter and Son-in-law. We went to a fancy restaurant that had a dinner for two that included roasting a whole chicken on the Menu. They told us that if we ordered that it would be one hour to cook. We weren't interested in that anyway but they were upfront about an 'excessive' time.
Many times if you order Peking Duck at a Chinese Restaurant that will take additional time as well.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
As for the ship itself...I actually LIKE it. It would do well as a tac/sci hybrid which I like to make. And it looks cool. I have no complaint on the ship itself. Some others do as it does not fit what they want. It actually does fit what I want.
Great observation and highly appreciated.
My review of the ship was from that of a standard energy weapon build. I found the ships to be 'average,' but I did not attempt to go outside the box of how I normally build a ship. If someone is interested in something like a Tac/Sci hybrid then yes.. I can absolutely see these ships being above average to very good.
In the end, each person has to decide for themselves if a ship is a good deal for them. People will have different opinions based on build preferences, thanks for adding yours!
Cold is right about everything he is saying about food service. I could tell you how long I've worked in the food industry, (Hint: it's more than 20 years) and my opinions on the matter. Instead, I will tell you what we were taught when I got one of my certifications. Professionals and psychologists have studied the number one reason why people actually go out to dinner at a sit down full service restaurant. It's because people have a subconscious need (or want) to be taken care of because they miss being taken care of by their mother. Other reasons may factor into a person's decision to go out to eat or not, or to choose one restaurant over another, but it's been proven that this is the main reason.
Restaurant or no restaurant, Cold is also right that 17 months is an unreasonable wait time, especially while other factions are getting ships. Were we told 17 months ago that we would get a Romulan ship in July of 2019? Were we told last year? ...last season? I never saw that announcement. Feel free to post a link to it. When a business in just about any industry has an unusual wait time, they usually try to tell the customer how long they will be waiting as accurately as possible, and/or they try to make it worth the customer's wait. As for the quality of the ship, some people like it and some people do not. Some expected more, since we had to wait so long. Quite frankly, the situation for Romulan players has looked pretty bleak for a while. I could explain, but I'll just say that if Fed players were in the same boat, they'd be complaining too. I will also concede that this might be the start of things improving for Romulan players. I hope so. We'll see. In the mean time, please don't be mad at Romulan players for being upset, because they have a right to be.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I like a good forum brawl as much as anyone, but this one is boring.
The last couple expansions have been Jemmy and DSC. Not a lot of Romulans. So yeah, they got shafted.
After 2yrs of waiting for a new Warbird, would a OP one be nice? Yeah, but it wasn't.
Just 1 of 4 skins on the same spaceship.
You can:
a.) buy it to 'show that Warbirds can sell in the C-store'
b.) not buy it to 'show you won't accept sub-standard ships'
c.) buy it cause you like it
Honestly, I don't think any choice will affect the rate of Warbird production.
I switched over from my Discovery Constitution to the Hoover today to Level up Mastery and get the Trait. Fortunately it was an easy Ready as it too has a 5/3 layout. Most of the Consoles went over but I did have to leave three behind.
It took six 4/5 and one 3/5 runs in Argala to get the Mastery. I went back to ESD and switched back. It was alright to fly but I do like the 12 instead of 10 Consoles. Also, I'm pretty fond of those 72 little fellas lighting up the sky with their Phasers. I can always count on them to continually pour it on a target. They also do a good job of telling me if ships are above or below me.
I did equip the Trait and found myself doing more Beam Overloads over FAW.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
You can:
a.) buy it to 'show that Warbirds can sell in the C-store'
b.) not buy it to 'show you won't accept sub-standard ships'
c.) buy it cause you like it
True enough, though I like to shy away from thinking I am making some kind of statement when I decide rather or not to get a ship. If the ship is a good deal and has a use for me, then I get it.. otherwise I pass. It's really just that simple, I don't consider things like how long it's been since they have made a faction ship. I buy if it's something I want and that's pretty much my only criteria. In this case, I liked the trait so I bought one.
I switched over from my Discovery Constitution to the Hoover today to Level up Mastery and get the Trait. Fortunately it was an easy Ready as it too has a 5/3 layout. Most of the Consoles went over but I did have to leave three behind.
It took six 4/5 and one 3/5 runs in Argala to get the Mastery. I went back to ESD and switched back. It was alright to fly but I do like the 12 instead of 10 Consoles. Also, I'm pretty fond of those 72 little fellas lighting up the sky with their Phasers. I can always count on them to continually pour it on a target. They also do a good job of telling me if ships are above or below me.
I did equip the Trait and found myself doing more Beam Overloads over FAW.
I did the same, I had fun flying the ship, but it wasn't a real comparison to any of my characters 'main'ships. In your case though, there was no chance.. you're weighing the ship against maybe the most perfect ship they have made yet. My biggest problem with the Discoprise is that ever since I opened it, I am pretty much using that character exclusively. It's just that good.
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Have to admit I enjoyed the Edison more than I thought I would - quite the nimble little minx. I may have to try her out on another character, as will admit that my primary motivation for buying the ship was to unlock the trait, to benefit my DSC Connie.
But I really should give the ship a fair run on a character who'd actually use it properly.
Yeah, they do handle pretty nice. They have a good turn rate, and the 55 Inertia Ratings means they pretty much stop on a dime. I like the ships, my only issue is that for every intended purpose I just have something that's better.
I have a Fed Engineer that flies Escort style ships.. the Edison looked good for her, but again.. she has the Andorian Kuthar and there is just no comparison. It's not that the Edison is bad.. it's not bad.. it's just not the Kuthar. Same with my Romulans, both of them already have ships that are pretty much hands down better.
Science Ships don't sell well, so I'll guess we just put the Crossfield in a Lockbox then, then even less people will want it.
The Crossfield isn't just a Science Vessel, it's a "Science Spearhead". That means Science Vessel, but improved, and nothing else. It can do what all Science Vessels can do, and then gets an extra weapon slot. What does it pay for it? Nothing.
So things are basically already rigged in its favor. Same thing for the Mirror Crossfield even - it's a DEstroyer, so if you really hate Science Vessels, just press a button to turn it into a fully fledged Escort.
But of course ,the far bigger thing to be rigged in its favor is that it's a Hero Ship of the latest Star Trek show!
And just because something is in a lockbox or promotion doesn't mean less people want it. It just means they need to pay a higher price for it. Some might not be able to pay at that price, but that still leaves plenty that do, and they pay a lot more than if it was a C-Store ship.
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Hesitate to ask, as don’t like the Vengeance- but would it be worth my replacing something with ‘Target Rich Environment’?
No.
Long story short, it's one of those traits that sounds good but isn't. It's a cat1 boost equivalent to an extra locator that disappears when FAW expires. With all the saturation of Cat1 boosts out there the trait does practically nothing.
The traits you're using are all considerably better. Target Rich is fine if you have nothing better.. you clearly have much better.
Well, then they could make a Cross-faction Pack of Science Spearheads ships for the C-Store. No need for the Jump stuff, just a Science with extra Mount Point.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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Been saying that since when we first seen them.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
B:"That is not the Warbird I wanted!"
A:"But that's the only fresh one we have."
B:"How dare you insult me with this thing that is not precicely what I dreamed of!"
sounds like false entitlement to me.
That argument works remarkably both ways.
A: "Here's our brand new model TV!"
B: "Sorry, I was looking for something else."
A: "How dare you insult us by not buying what we're offering?!"
Sounds like false entitlement to me. You make something, and ppl either like it, or they don't. It's really that simple.
When you go into a restaurant, you go there to get food. The food you want is only getting made if you order it.
If you go into a shop, the stuff in there is there independent of whether you personally wanted it.
The C-Store is a shop accessible in game, like some store in a theme park. You probably don't go to the theme park just for the store, but if you do and the store doesn't offer anything you want (anymore), it would be not surprising if you didn't go to theme park.
It isn't really falling flat on its face. This time they had the resources to build 4 ships instead of 2, they hadn't before.
We can speculate why and maybe we'll never know. But one thing that comes to my mind:
Remember that many of these ships were already in he game before we could fly them, particularly the Klingon ones, since they were used in story-line missions and TFOs. That probably meant that that for some time, Cryptic ship artist resources were spent on NPC models that weren't flyable yet. Even if they didn't make it into a C-Store pack yet, they still needed to be made (at least the artist and NPC stats side. The player-stats could be delayed until later).
We know that some stuff was already in the works months before it gets released.
Obviously, we're just talking among ourselves here. AFAIK There is no Cryptic employee that says: "But you must buy this, you wanted a Romulan ship, if you don't buy this one, you betray our sacred relationship!"
Though I actually found it interesting listening to their podcast and hearing their rationale for making it this ship. Many Science fans hoped for the Hoover (due to its design similarities to a Nebula and the current lack of C-Store Disco Science Vessels) it could be one. But Jette said that Science Vessels just don't have as big as an appeal as other ships, and they made it a Warship deliberately to appeal to as many people as possible.
I don't know what you would have wanted. Just tiny changes? DIfferent Spec? Different Look? Different Ship Class?
I would have preferred a new Science Vessel, but I buy most ships anyway, so I guess so far it doesn't really matter for Cryptic to appeal to my preferences. I only get picky about lockbox/promo/lobi ships. There is always something fun about flying a new ship, testing out its space barbie options and its new traits and consoles. I can accept if it's only short-lived fun and I end up playing "old" ships on most characters after a while.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Many times if you order Peking Duck at a Chinese Restaurant that will take additional time as well.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Great observation and highly appreciated.
My review of the ship was from that of a standard energy weapon build. I found the ships to be 'average,' but I did not attempt to go outside the box of how I normally build a ship. If someone is interested in something like a Tac/Sci hybrid then yes.. I can absolutely see these ships being above average to very good.
In the end, each person has to decide for themselves if a ship is a good deal for them. People will have different opinions based on build preferences, thanks for adding yours!
Restaurant or no restaurant, Cold is also right that 17 months is an unreasonable wait time, especially while other factions are getting ships. Were we told 17 months ago that we would get a Romulan ship in July of 2019? Were we told last year? ...last season? I never saw that announcement. Feel free to post a link to it. When a business in just about any industry has an unusual wait time, they usually try to tell the customer how long they will be waiting as accurately as possible, and/or they try to make it worth the customer's wait. As for the quality of the ship, some people like it and some people do not. Some expected more, since we had to wait so long. Quite frankly, the situation for Romulan players has looked pretty bleak for a while. I could explain, but I'll just say that if Fed players were in the same boat, they'd be complaining too. I will also concede that this might be the start of things improving for Romulan players. I hope so. We'll see. In the mean time, please don't be mad at Romulan players for being upset, because they have a right to be.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The last couple expansions have been Jemmy and DSC. Not a lot of Romulans. So yeah, they got shafted.
After 2yrs of waiting for a new Warbird, would a OP one be nice? Yeah, but it wasn't.
Just 1 of 4 skins on the same spaceship.
You can:
a.) buy it to 'show that Warbirds can sell in the C-store'
b.) not buy it to 'show you won't accept sub-standard ships'
c.) buy it cause you like it
Honestly, I don't think any choice will affect the rate of Warbird production.
It took six 4/5 and one 3/5 runs in Argala to get the Mastery. I went back to ESD and switched back. It was alright to fly but I do like the 12 instead of 10 Consoles. Also, I'm pretty fond of those 72 little fellas lighting up the sky with their Phasers. I can always count on them to continually pour it on a target. They also do a good job of telling me if ships are above or below me.
I did equip the Trait and found myself doing more Beam Overloads over FAW.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
True enough, though I like to shy away from thinking I am making some kind of statement when I decide rather or not to get a ship. If the ship is a good deal and has a use for me, then I get it.. otherwise I pass. It's really just that simple, I don't consider things like how long it's been since they have made a faction ship. I buy if it's something I want and that's pretty much my only criteria. In this case, I liked the trait so I bought one.
I did the same, I had fun flying the ship, but it wasn't a real comparison to any of my characters 'main'ships. In your case though, there was no chance.. you're weighing the ship against maybe the most perfect ship they have made yet. My biggest problem with the Discoprise is that ever since I opened it, I am pretty much using that character exclusively. It's just that good.
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Yeah, they do handle pretty nice. They have a good turn rate, and the 55 Inertia Ratings means they pretty much stop on a dime. I like the ships, my only issue is that for every intended purpose I just have something that's better.
I have a Fed Engineer that flies Escort style ships.. the Edison looked good for her, but again.. she has the Andorian Kuthar and there is just no comparison. It's not that the Edison is bad.. it's not bad.. it's just not the Kuthar. Same with my Romulans, both of them already have ships that are pretty much hands down better.
But at least I got the trait.
So things are basically already rigged in its favor. Same thing for the Mirror Crossfield even - it's a DEstroyer, so if you really hate Science Vessels, just press a button to turn it into a fully fledged Escort.
But of course ,the far bigger thing to be rigged in its favor is that it's a Hero Ship of the latest Star Trek show!
And just because something is in a lockbox or promotion doesn't mean less people want it. It just means they need to pay a higher price for it. Some might not be able to pay at that price, but that still leaves plenty that do, and they pay a lot more than if it was a C-Store ship.
No.
Long story short, it's one of those traits that sounds good but isn't. It's a cat1 boost equivalent to an extra locator that disappears when FAW expires. With all the saturation of Cat1 boosts out there the trait does practically nothing.
The traits you're using are all considerably better. Target Rich is fine if you have nothing better.. you clearly have much better.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'