> @peterconnorfirst said: > tobiashirt wrote: » > > Been reading through the debates in this thread about relative utility of traits and whether or not the new one displaces anything, and it got me wondering about Redirecting Arrays and how essential it actually is. > > It might just be subjective, but I've logged a fair few hours with it and it doesn't seem like it does as much as I would think from the theory of it (up to +5s on FaW, i.e. 50%). > > I'm running with Emergency Weapon Cycle/Cold-Hearted/Weapon Emitter Overdrive/Vaulting Ambition/Supercharged Weapons (due to Lorca's Ambition Set) > > For a PvE damage build on the MW Flight Deck, provided I want to add in Superior Area Denial and Redirecting Arrays, would it be good to swap out WEO/VA or are there 2 other candidates? I'd love more trait slots for exactly this reason. > > > > > Sorry for responding late. > > I must admit that I was never in a position to choose between a set of that good traits amongst any of my chars but chatted with feli about that case as well. > > He agrees that one always wants to have a primary firing mode duration increase even if that’s only redirecting arrays. There is also the trait from the Gagarin - Entwined Tactical Matrices - which could work on ur torp/beam setup. > > If you want to keep Supercharged Weapons I’d pick... > > - EWC > - Redirecting Arrays/Entwined Tactical Matrices > - SAD > - Supercharged Weapons > > ...and actually replace Cold Hearted with Weapon Emitter Overdrive or Vaulting Ambition. Since I do not know how well the acc bonus of WEO works with fire at will or how bad the impact of the increased weapons drain for beams is I’d tent to the VA here most likely but simply cant tell for sure. If acc works with faw and the drain is not a problem WEO all the way. Beam land needs to be re-conquered after 2 years of scatter volley.
Well, I have outposts in beam land scatter land and exotic land, so I'd be on all sides of a rebalance... thanks for the confirmation about Entwined Matrices. It occurred to me after my last post, and seems like it might provide even more total FaW coverage time.
I don't have much cost mitigation on the build (only EWC and a spire core), plus Acc from Narrow Sensor Bands, so it's tempting to skip WEO, but I'm also an engineer, so it could work if I can time my captain powers right. Nice to know I'm not way off base.
I'm curious why they decided to not to continue to use the T6 mastery level for account unlock.
Really weird direction IMO.
This really grinds my gears too!
Really exited about this bundle, they all look great!
Umm...why? You WANT to grind before you can use the ship you wanna? I can see why the devs would like the T6 mastery...but for the players, what they have now is better...by far.
What is really weird is that they faction bound the console and trait. If those were ship bound, there would be WAY more reason to get that bundle vs a single ship...especially the rom and dom ones as ALL toons can use those for the trait and console.
Not getting what you mean by "WANT to grind before you can use the ship...". Did anything significant change in this regard? I certainly would like to have it, so that if you unlock a trait on one ship you can use it on the whole account. But that is just an option for a very limited number of ships, as I understand it. And the comment by phoenix I quoted was referring to that NOT being applied to all ships. At least that is how I understood it.
I would even love to have it unlock on purchase!
What part of "they all look good" didn't you get? Couldn't care less about trait stats. In space barbie a là Star Trek that is what counts, at least for me.
Grind to unlock ship trait is /meh
At 1st I didnt really mind... but I have 4 Fed toons, 3 Roms, 3 KDF and 2 Doms... on 1 account.
It gets OLD when I have to "unlock" the same ship multiple times.
If it was unlock once... unlock across account. Then it wouldnt be that much of an issue.
So... yeah it's not really "fun".
Get on do event, log off. maybe doff, r&d or do 1 que or bz.
"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
So, because they have given us nothing for a long period of time.. now we should clamor for whatever they decide to throw us now matter how good or bad it may be?
C'mon man.. you're smarter then this.
Besides, no one said you shouldn't buy it.. many people have bought at least one variant, the Warbird seems pretty popular. After watching the Federation and KDF faction get ships like the Gagarin and the Qugh, I don't think it's any surprise that these ships are a let down in comparison.
They're good ships.. they're just not great. People can decide for themselves rather or not they're worth buying. Personally, I bought one variant.. I'm happy enough with it, but it's an average ship.
Since I don't want to further mess with formatting on a mobile device, one last question about the new trait (Heart of Sol)...if the build in question already achieves around about 50-52% CrtH with energy weapons, would HoS be a good fit rather than WEO? It's a contest between 8% more shots/unit time + 5% cat2 and 10% CrtH at an average CrtD between 230-250%
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> ROFL oh this forum.
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> "Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
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> *Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
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> "Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
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> ROFLMMFAO
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> So, because they have given us nothing for a long period of time.. now we should clamor for whatever they decide to throw us now matter how good or bad it may be?
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> C'mon man.. you're smarter then this.
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> Besides, no one said you shouldn't buy it.. many people have bought at least one variant, the Warbird seems pretty popular. After watching the Federation and KDF faction get ships like the Gagarin and the Qugh, I don't think it's any surprise that these ships are a let down in comparison.
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> They're good ships.. they're just not great. People can decide for themselves rather or not they're worth buying. Personally, I bought one variant.. I'm happy enough with it, but it's an average ship.
Interesting interpretation, not sure how it relates to the fact that people on this forum could have alternately accepted Cryptic at their truthful word that more Rom ships were coming eventually or at a minimum appologized for calling them liars, and maybe said something like " hey good to see more Rom stuff, this one isn't my style but thanks for keeping your word to do more, please don't stop I'm sure some of them will be my thing and all of them will be somebody's choice".
azrael605, I think you and I both know there are some people here on this forum that will never admit they were wrong, or apologize.
Anyway, so love the romulan warbird look. Brought the entire pack since every single ship is a master piece. "Starts drooling"
There is no way I could buy the pack, but if I had not already blown my entertainment budget for a while getting a ship in the two combined zen and ship sales recently I would have jumped on getting the Romulan one, and the Dominion one too if I could swing two at the same time budget-wise (I am still trying to juggle things but it is not looking like I will have the cash in time).
I am considering getting one of them with the free ship coupon later after it comes off the new ship list though. They actually fit my style fairly well, I have no complaints with the seating and whatnot and the energy type thing is not too big of a problem since I tend to use plasma and polaron builds quite a bit.
EDIT: This is a bit off subject, but with all the mechanics talk I am wondering which parser is best at the moment.
I have both traits and I don't use strike because its wording is weird. IT says a significant damage boost. But as far as I can tell its 5%. 5% isn't significant, does it stack or something? I will try them out in a run and see if my damage is higher and will shelve history but as far as I can tell history is better then both dps wise. But I will see. I mean if that's the case wouldn't improved pedal to the metal be better then all of these? its 20% bonus damage as long as your throttle stays up which is pretty much basic for pilot tacs?
I hardly ever have a problem with seating. I just work with what I have and go. I probably won't wait and use my free T6 coupon on any of them, but I may try to save up for the pack by saving my stipend on my LTS acct and using dilzen and supplement with $10 when possible on my F2P acct.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
> EDIT: This is a bit off subject, but with all the mechanics talk I am wondering which parser is best at the moment.
I use SCM, combined with keybinds to turn logging on and off. I only mention this one because I'm most familiar with it's interface. CLR has a nice ability to customize the format of the string/info you copy to chat, which is the vote in it's favor.
To me the pack was also convinient cause I like themed so I prefer to have a Fed ship on my Fed TOS(my only Fed allingned), Romulan one on my Romulan and my Reman, Klingon one on my Gorn and my Nausicaan and JH one on my JH. The coupon adds value to it cause not all my toons are tac focused and I wanted a carrier or flight deck for my Gorn who is an eng built for pets. Overall I am happy for it and yes I didnt need so many tac ships but it was a good deal and I wanted to support the fact they did a pack for all. My "dream" would be a carrier pack at some point in the future.
On a side note, STO is our fun, but to Cryptic is also a business and it pays their salaries and expands their workforce. Obviously if we want to see packs for ALL factions like that, this pack should succeed. So if a romulan says "I am not buying the pack because I want to see if they release more after it" and many follow that example - then yes it may end being the only pack since we pretty much vote with our wallet. Low sales will mean that releasing romulan and JH ships wont be a good business decision for them.
I have complained to them for a 100+ things(especially on KDF side even autopilot through clicking map destinations got problems like from Qonos to Fleet Shipyard) and being more than most a carriers captain on my main I dont have options in c-store but the ships pack is a step on the right direction
Well, it looks like the trends may point to the following:
Fleet grade ships will be Lobi, Lockbox, Promotion, and Event (and Fleet). The only possibility of C-Store Fleet grade ships will be 3-pack Universal Faction releases (e.g., Cardassian, 31st Century).
We will not be seeing the Megapack releases anymore. Too large as they would need to be 12 ships to cover all the Factions. The largest will be Cross-faction 4 Ship releases.
Ship Consoles will be released from their shackles.
You want Fleet Ships for the new C-Store, buy FSMs or use the 13 you can get at Reputation T6.
Any thoughts?
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Even though the Jem ship is only one of the two which would interest me if I wanted them, it seems kind of boring since Jem's already have a warship and with a more desirable spec even though it's not a full one and it does have two ltcommander seats. Besides I'd rather save the commander tactical slot for tactical abilities instead of temporal. I guess maybe I should just get the Romulan one.
"Rah Cryptic isn't gonna make any more Rom ships and they lie and say they will"
*Cryptic announces a new Rom ship*
"Rah the new Rom ship is nothing special and I'm not gonna buy it"
ROFLMMFAO
A growing number of players like to optimize their game approach (which is mega cool) but still want to stay truthful to character theme philosophies (which is cool as well).
It is understandable they look a bit more critical on new releases if they happen take place that rarely. The new ships are nice and all but nothing at the top of the food chain compared to what is available. In case of tac focused crafts those would be miracle worker ships with additional console slots and access to the respective boff powers. Not temporal ships.
Things might be different here if cryptic would have released a set of temporal sci ships for all factions to fill gabs for Romulans and especially Jem’hadar but mentioned that did not want to as tac ships are generally sell better. That’s why they rather decided to make the new ships tac ships but with simply… well… not so perfect attributes.
Of course that triggers disappointment for Romulans while Feds won’t lose any sleep over it as the next perfect release is presumably just around the corner.
It's not even that. I mean I like how it looks and that is basically all I need for me to get a ship. The reason that I am not excited is that we got ONE BLOODY SHIP for our faction in OVER A YEAR. Unless we see the next few releases have Romulan ships, it is hard to get excited at the prospect that we will have to wait another 17 months before we get another faction ship or worse, another almost 2 YEARS before we see another warbird. Yeah we got ONE BLOODY WARBIRD...in almost 2 years. So yeah...this does NOTHING to get me excited, I will wait and see what the next two ship releases are like before I get excited about anything in this game.
We have no clue yet what awaits us in the Picard show but guess that with the supernova/Romulus destruction thingy chances are higher to get something Romulan related than in this Discovery day and age.
I know this prospect is only small comfort but perhaps things will change for the better next year.
Unfortunately if CBS uses the same designers that they used on DSC there is a strong possibility that any new Romulan ships will be as weird and unrecognizable as the DSC Klingon ships. Hopefully they wont do that, but their bad track record so far with inter-series continuity makes it so I am not looking forward to the show and am a bit leery about the ships that may come out of it.
The DSC era BoPs actually look more Romulan than Klingon
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Space ships aren't steaks, and the C-Store isn't a restaurant. It's as shop for virtual goods and services. You can hate that you have to wait until certain new types of items get into the shop, but... that's just how things are with shops sometimes. And while they don't have anything you want, you don't give them any money and don't spend any time in the shop.
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'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
A:"Here is your Romulan Warbird, Sir!"
B:"That is not the Warbird I wanted!"
A:"But that's the only fresh one we have."
B:"How dare you insult me with this thing that is not precicely what I dreamed of!"
A:"Here is your Romulan Warbird, Sir!"
B:"That is not the Warbird I wanted!"
A:"But that's the only fresh one we have."
B:"How dare you insult me with this thing that is not precicely what I dreamed of!"
sounds like false entitlement to me.
That argument works remarkably both ways.
A: "Here's our brand new model TV!"
B: "Sorry, I was looking for something else."
A: "How dare you insult us by not buying what we're offering?!"
Sounds like false entitlement to me. You make something, and ppl either like it, or they don't. It's really that simple.
Oh and we spend time in the game...which is their bloody shop under this model. Yeah I don't like it, I can stop Theplaying...which I am pretty much one step short of doing. But you can also just walk out of the restaurant as well.
It is still a bad analogy.
When you go into a restaurant, you go there to get food. The food you want is only getting made if you order it.
If you go into a shop, the stuff in there is there independent of whether you personally wanted it.
The C-Store is a shop accessible in game, like some store in a theme park. You probably don't go to the theme park just for the store, but if you do and the store doesn't offer anything you want (anymore), it would be not surprising if you didn't go to theme park.
Hell, this pack proves that their excuses of it's because of AoD falling flat on it's face as this pack has two Micheal Burnham show ships with two Cryptic design ships for Roms and Doms.
It isn't really falling flat on its face. This time they had the resources to build 4 ships instead of 2, they hadn't before.
We can speculate why and maybe we'll never know. But one thing that comes to my mind:
Remember that many of these ships were already in he game before we could fly them, particularly the Klingon ones, since they were used in story-line missions and TFOs. That probably meant that that for some time, Cryptic ship artist resources were spent on NPC models that weren't flyable yet. Even if they didn't make it into a C-Store pack yet, they still needed to be made (at least the artist and NPC stats side. The player-stats could be delayed until later).
We know that some stuff was already in the works months before it gets released.
Umm...well no duh there captain obvious. The point was that there is a point in time where no reasons or excuses they give begins to not even matter anymore. Let's be fair here, if a restaurant took 4 hours to get you your food...they ain't getting your money. Nor should they expect you to be happy. Nor should they expect you to come back. Some people seem to think that you should give praise and be happy you got anything at all. And the funny thing is, it's not even a matter of me not liking what they provided (I actually really like how the romulan ship looks)...it's a matter of then taking almost two years to get it to me. All excuses kinda ceases to matter. Which is the point of the analogy. I really fail to see why this concept is so hard to understand.
Obviously, we're just talking among ourselves here. AFAIK There is no Cryptic employee that says: "But you must buy this, you wanted a Romulan ship, if you don't buy this one, you betray our sacred relationship!"
Though I actually found it interesting listening to their podcast and hearing their rationale for making it this ship. Many Science fans hoped for the Hoover (due to its design similarities to a Nebula and the current lack of C-Store Disco Science Vessels) it could be one. But Jette said that Science Vessels just don't have as big as an appeal as other ships, and they made it a Warship deliberately to appeal to as many people as possible.
I don't know what you would have wanted. Just tiny changes? DIfferent Spec? Different Look? Different Ship Class?
I would have preferred a new Science Vessel, but I buy most ships anyway, so I guess so far it doesn't really matter for Cryptic to appeal to my preferences. I only get picky about lockbox/promo/lobi ships. There is always something fun about flying a new ship, testing out its space barbie options and its new traits and consoles. I can accept if it's only short-lived fun and I end up playing "old" ships on most characters after a while.
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Science Ships don't sell well, so I'll guess we just put the Crossfield in a Lockbox then, then even less people will want it.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
We recently vacationed in Denver to visit my Daughter and Son-in-law. We went to a fancy restaurant that had a dinner for two that included roasting a whole chicken on the Menu. They told us that if we ordered that it would be one hour to cook. We weren't interested in that anyway but they were upfront about an 'excessive' time.
Many times if you order Peking Duck at a Chinese Restaurant that will take additional time as well.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
As for the ship itself...I actually LIKE it. It would do well as a tac/sci hybrid which I like to make. And it looks cool. I have no complaint on the ship itself. Some others do as it does not fit what they want. It actually does fit what I want.
Great observation and highly appreciated.
My review of the ship was from that of a standard energy weapon build. I found the ships to be 'average,' but I did not attempt to go outside the box of how I normally build a ship. If someone is interested in something like a Tac/Sci hybrid then yes.. I can absolutely see these ships being above average to very good.
In the end, each person has to decide for themselves if a ship is a good deal for them. People will have different opinions based on build preferences, thanks for adding yours!
Cold is right about everything he is saying about food service. I could tell you how long I've worked in the food industry, (Hint: it's more than 20 years) and my opinions on the matter. Instead, I will tell you what we were taught when I got one of my certifications. Professionals and psychologists have studied the number one reason why people actually go out to dinner at a sit down full service restaurant. It's because people have a subconscious need (or want) to be taken care of because they miss being taken care of by their mother. Other reasons may factor into a person's decision to go out to eat or not, or to choose one restaurant over another, but it's been proven that this is the main reason.
Restaurant or no restaurant, Cold is also right that 17 months is an unreasonable wait time, especially while other factions are getting ships. Were we told 17 months ago that we would get a Romulan ship in July of 2019? Were we told last year? ...last season? I never saw that announcement. Feel free to post a link to it. When a business in just about any industry has an unusual wait time, they usually try to tell the customer how long they will be waiting as accurately as possible, and/or they try to make it worth the customer's wait. As for the quality of the ship, some people like it and some people do not. Some expected more, since we had to wait so long. Quite frankly, the situation for Romulan players has looked pretty bleak for a while. I could explain, but I'll just say that if Fed players were in the same boat, they'd be complaining too. I will also concede that this might be the start of things improving for Romulan players. I hope so. We'll see. In the mean time, please don't be mad at Romulan players for being upset, because they have a right to be.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I like a good forum brawl as much as anyone, but this one is boring.
The last couple expansions have been Jemmy and DSC. Not a lot of Romulans. So yeah, they got shafted.
After 2yrs of waiting for a new Warbird, would a OP one be nice? Yeah, but it wasn't.
Just 1 of 4 skins on the same spaceship.
You can:
a.) buy it to 'show that Warbirds can sell in the C-store'
b.) not buy it to 'show you won't accept sub-standard ships'
c.) buy it cause you like it
Honestly, I don't think any choice will affect the rate of Warbird production.
I switched over from my Discovery Constitution to the Hoover today to Level up Mastery and get the Trait. Fortunately it was an easy Ready as it too has a 5/3 layout. Most of the Consoles went over but I did have to leave three behind.
It took six 4/5 and one 3/5 runs in Argala to get the Mastery. I went back to ESD and switched back. It was alright to fly but I do like the 12 instead of 10 Consoles. Also, I'm pretty fond of those 72 little fellas lighting up the sky with their Phasers. I can always count on them to continually pour it on a target. They also do a good job of telling me if ships are above or below me.
I did equip the Trait and found myself doing more Beam Overloads over FAW.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
You can:
a.) buy it to 'show that Warbirds can sell in the C-store'
b.) not buy it to 'show you won't accept sub-standard ships'
c.) buy it cause you like it
True enough, though I like to shy away from thinking I am making some kind of statement when I decide rather or not to get a ship. If the ship is a good deal and has a use for me, then I get it.. otherwise I pass. It's really just that simple, I don't consider things like how long it's been since they have made a faction ship. I buy if it's something I want and that's pretty much my only criteria. In this case, I liked the trait so I bought one.
I switched over from my Discovery Constitution to the Hoover today to Level up Mastery and get the Trait. Fortunately it was an easy Ready as it too has a 5/3 layout. Most of the Consoles went over but I did have to leave three behind.
It took six 4/5 and one 3/5 runs in Argala to get the Mastery. I went back to ESD and switched back. It was alright to fly but I do like the 12 instead of 10 Consoles. Also, I'm pretty fond of those 72 little fellas lighting up the sky with their Phasers. I can always count on them to continually pour it on a target. They also do a good job of telling me if ships are above or below me.
I did equip the Trait and found myself doing more Beam Overloads over FAW.
I did the same, I had fun flying the ship, but it wasn't a real comparison to any of my characters 'main'ships. In your case though, there was no chance.. you're weighing the ship against maybe the most perfect ship they have made yet. My biggest problem with the Discoprise is that ever since I opened it, I am pretty much using that character exclusively. It's just that good.
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> Been reading through the debates in this thread about relative utility of traits and whether or not the new one displaces anything, and it got me wondering about Redirecting Arrays and how essential it actually is.
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> It might just be subjective, but I've logged a fair few hours with it and it doesn't seem like it does as much as I would think from the theory of it (up to +5s on FaW, i.e. 50%).
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> I'm running with Emergency Weapon Cycle/Cold-Hearted/Weapon Emitter Overdrive/Vaulting Ambition/Supercharged Weapons (due to Lorca's Ambition Set)
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> For a PvE damage build on the MW Flight Deck, provided I want to add in Superior Area Denial and Redirecting Arrays, would it be good to swap out WEO/VA or are there 2 other candidates? I'd love more trait slots for exactly this reason.
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> I must admit that I was never in a position to choose between a set of that good traits amongst any of my chars but chatted with feli about that case as well.
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> He agrees that one always wants to have a primary firing mode duration increase even if that’s only redirecting arrays. There is also the trait from the Gagarin - Entwined Tactical Matrices - which could work on ur torp/beam setup.
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> ...and actually replace Cold Hearted with Weapon Emitter Overdrive or Vaulting Ambition. Since I do not know how well the acc bonus of WEO works with fire at will or how bad the impact of the increased weapons drain for beams is I’d tent to the VA here most likely but simply cant tell for sure. If acc works with faw and the drain is not a problem WEO all the way. Beam land needs to be re-conquered after 2 years of scatter volley.
Well, I have outposts in beam land scatter land and exotic land, so I'd be on all sides of a rebalance... thanks for the confirmation about Entwined Matrices. It occurred to me after my last post, and seems like it might provide even more total FaW coverage time.
I don't have much cost mitigation on the build (only EWC and a spire core), plus Acc from Narrow Sensor Bands, so it's tempting to skip WEO, but I'm also an engineer, so it could work if I can time my captain powers right. Nice to know I'm not way off base.
Grind to unlock ship trait is /meh
At 1st I didnt really mind... but I have 4 Fed toons, 3 Roms, 3 KDF and 2 Doms... on 1 account.
It gets OLD when I have to "unlock" the same ship multiple times.
If it was unlock once... unlock across account. Then it wouldnt be that much of an issue.
So... yeah it's not really "fun".
Get on do event, log off. maybe doff, r&d or do 1 que or bz.
So, because they have given us nothing for a long period of time.. now we should clamor for whatever they decide to throw us now matter how good or bad it may be?
C'mon man.. you're smarter then this.
Besides, no one said you shouldn't buy it.. many people have bought at least one variant, the Warbird seems pretty popular. After watching the Federation and KDF faction get ships like the Gagarin and the Qugh, I don't think it's any surprise that these ships are a let down in comparison.
They're good ships.. they're just not great. People can decide for themselves rather or not they're worth buying. Personally, I bought one variant.. I'm happy enough with it, but it's an average ship.
azrael605, I think you and I both know there are some people here on this forum that will never admit they were wrong, or apologize.
Anyway, so love the romulan warbird look. Brought the entire pack since every single ship is a master piece. "Starts drooling"
I am considering getting one of them with the free ship coupon later after it comes off the new ship list though. They actually fit my style fairly well, I have no complaints with the seating and whatnot and the energy type thing is not too big of a problem since I tend to use plasma and polaron builds quite a bit.
EDIT: This is a bit off subject, but with all the mechanics talk I am wondering which parser is best at the moment.
> EDIT: This is a bit off subject, but with all the mechanics talk I am wondering which parser is best at the moment.
I use SCM, combined with keybinds to turn logging on and off. I only mention this one because I'm most familiar with it's interface. CLR has a nice ability to customize the format of the string/info you copy to chat, which is the vote in it's favor.
On a side note, STO is our fun, but to Cryptic is also a business and it pays their salaries and expands their workforce. Obviously if we want to see packs for ALL factions like that, this pack should succeed. So if a romulan says "I am not buying the pack because I want to see if they release more after it" and many follow that example - then yes it may end being the only pack since we pretty much vote with our wallet. Low sales will mean that releasing romulan and JH ships wont be a good business decision for them.
I have complained to them for a 100+ things(especially on KDF side even autopilot through clicking map destinations got problems like from Qonos to Fleet Shipyard) and being more than most a carriers captain on my main I dont have options in c-store but the ships pack is a step on the right direction
Fleet grade ships will be Lobi, Lockbox, Promotion, and Event (and Fleet). The only possibility of C-Store Fleet grade ships will be 3-pack Universal Faction releases (e.g., Cardassian, 31st Century).
We will not be seeing the Megapack releases anymore. Too large as they would need to be 12 ships to cover all the Factions. The largest will be Cross-faction 4 Ship releases.
Ship Consoles will be released from their shackles.
You want Fleet Ships for the new C-Store, buy FSMs or use the 13 you can get at Reputation T6.
Any thoughts?
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Been saying that since when we first seen them.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
B:"That is not the Warbird I wanted!"
A:"But that's the only fresh one we have."
B:"How dare you insult me with this thing that is not precicely what I dreamed of!"
sounds like false entitlement to me.
That argument works remarkably both ways.
A: "Here's our brand new model TV!"
B: "Sorry, I was looking for something else."
A: "How dare you insult us by not buying what we're offering?!"
Sounds like false entitlement to me. You make something, and ppl either like it, or they don't. It's really that simple.
When you go into a restaurant, you go there to get food. The food you want is only getting made if you order it.
If you go into a shop, the stuff in there is there independent of whether you personally wanted it.
The C-Store is a shop accessible in game, like some store in a theme park. You probably don't go to the theme park just for the store, but if you do and the store doesn't offer anything you want (anymore), it would be not surprising if you didn't go to theme park.
It isn't really falling flat on its face. This time they had the resources to build 4 ships instead of 2, they hadn't before.
We can speculate why and maybe we'll never know. But one thing that comes to my mind:
Remember that many of these ships were already in he game before we could fly them, particularly the Klingon ones, since they were used in story-line missions and TFOs. That probably meant that that for some time, Cryptic ship artist resources were spent on NPC models that weren't flyable yet. Even if they didn't make it into a C-Store pack yet, they still needed to be made (at least the artist and NPC stats side. The player-stats could be delayed until later).
We know that some stuff was already in the works months before it gets released.
Obviously, we're just talking among ourselves here. AFAIK There is no Cryptic employee that says: "But you must buy this, you wanted a Romulan ship, if you don't buy this one, you betray our sacred relationship!"
Though I actually found it interesting listening to their podcast and hearing their rationale for making it this ship. Many Science fans hoped for the Hoover (due to its design similarities to a Nebula and the current lack of C-Store Disco Science Vessels) it could be one. But Jette said that Science Vessels just don't have as big as an appeal as other ships, and they made it a Warship deliberately to appeal to as many people as possible.
I don't know what you would have wanted. Just tiny changes? DIfferent Spec? Different Look? Different Ship Class?
I would have preferred a new Science Vessel, but I buy most ships anyway, so I guess so far it doesn't really matter for Cryptic to appeal to my preferences. I only get picky about lockbox/promo/lobi ships. There is always something fun about flying a new ship, testing out its space barbie options and its new traits and consoles. I can accept if it's only short-lived fun and I end up playing "old" ships on most characters after a while.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Many times if you order Peking Duck at a Chinese Restaurant that will take additional time as well.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Great observation and highly appreciated.
My review of the ship was from that of a standard energy weapon build. I found the ships to be 'average,' but I did not attempt to go outside the box of how I normally build a ship. If someone is interested in something like a Tac/Sci hybrid then yes.. I can absolutely see these ships being above average to very good.
In the end, each person has to decide for themselves if a ship is a good deal for them. People will have different opinions based on build preferences, thanks for adding yours!
Restaurant or no restaurant, Cold is also right that 17 months is an unreasonable wait time, especially while other factions are getting ships. Were we told 17 months ago that we would get a Romulan ship in July of 2019? Were we told last year? ...last season? I never saw that announcement. Feel free to post a link to it. When a business in just about any industry has an unusual wait time, they usually try to tell the customer how long they will be waiting as accurately as possible, and/or they try to make it worth the customer's wait. As for the quality of the ship, some people like it and some people do not. Some expected more, since we had to wait so long. Quite frankly, the situation for Romulan players has looked pretty bleak for a while. I could explain, but I'll just say that if Fed players were in the same boat, they'd be complaining too. I will also concede that this might be the start of things improving for Romulan players. I hope so. We'll see. In the mean time, please don't be mad at Romulan players for being upset, because they have a right to be.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The last couple expansions have been Jemmy and DSC. Not a lot of Romulans. So yeah, they got shafted.
After 2yrs of waiting for a new Warbird, would a OP one be nice? Yeah, but it wasn't.
Just 1 of 4 skins on the same spaceship.
You can:
a.) buy it to 'show that Warbirds can sell in the C-store'
b.) not buy it to 'show you won't accept sub-standard ships'
c.) buy it cause you like it
Honestly, I don't think any choice will affect the rate of Warbird production.
It took six 4/5 and one 3/5 runs in Argala to get the Mastery. I went back to ESD and switched back. It was alright to fly but I do like the 12 instead of 10 Consoles. Also, I'm pretty fond of those 72 little fellas lighting up the sky with their Phasers. I can always count on them to continually pour it on a target. They also do a good job of telling me if ships are above or below me.
I did equip the Trait and found myself doing more Beam Overloads over FAW.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
True enough, though I like to shy away from thinking I am making some kind of statement when I decide rather or not to get a ship. If the ship is a good deal and has a use for me, then I get it.. otherwise I pass. It's really just that simple, I don't consider things like how long it's been since they have made a faction ship. I buy if it's something I want and that's pretty much my only criteria. In this case, I liked the trait so I bought one.
I did the same, I had fun flying the ship, but it wasn't a real comparison to any of my characters 'main'ships. In your case though, there was no chance.. you're weighing the ship against maybe the most perfect ship they have made yet. My biggest problem with the Discoprise is that ever since I opened it, I am pretty much using that character exclusively. It's just that good.
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