No. DSC does not have to look like TOS at all. TOS dosn't look like any other series it's the odd one out. The embarrassing haircut you had in the late 80s.
DSC has to resemble the consistent Star Trek aesthetic seen from TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09. That means lots of blue, lots of black, and lots of grey. It means complex shapes and dim lighting not spotlights and basic cut outs. It means computers with actual layouts and not ridiculous jellybean controls with no displays.
The worst part of Axanar was were they tried to blend the cheap and tacky TOS sore thumb with the Kelvin era tech they'd fit into the rest of the footage. Thank gods DSC is flat out ignoring the cheap, primary coloured, cardboard of TOS in favour of looking like what Star Trek became.
I hope all future Blu-rays Lucasise TOS to rotoscope the actors heads onto new uniforms and sets just for the correnies it'll cause.
This might be a shock...some of us LIKE TOS.
DEAL WITH IT.
This might be a shock...some of us LIKE DSC.
DEAL WITH IT.
Heck, some of us like TOS and ST:D.
Not sure anyone in this shouting match can deal with that, though...
Which makes it even more interesting since it's clear when you look at the map that the Klingons weren't doing scorched earth as they went along. They were picking targets to smash, but seemed more interested in conquest than annihilation. Seriously, one of the marked planets was RISA... obviously they didn't bomb Risa.
How do you know they did not bomb Risa?
We are right back to where we started. We have no idea what was happening during the Klingon War.
From the beginning, we know the Klingons are not keen on taking prisoners or slaves. Their first incursion (the terror raids) they murdered everyone they could find. Eventually, the Vulcans became tired of the Klingon's shenanigans and murdered them in return. The Klingons got sulky and went home (apparently, everyone completely forgot about all this, because the Federation and Starfleet ignore their murderous neighbors until the Battle of the Binary Stars). When the Klingons capture Tyler, they scoop his brains out. When they capture Lorca, they murder everyone else on the shuttle. The only reason they did not kill Lorca is because they needed him to bring Tyler/Voq back to the Federation. When they attack the mining colony (an unarmed civilian settlement) they attempt to bomb it into the dust rather than capture it. Every spaceship battle we see, the Klingons do not demand surrender. They kill without mercy. When Admiral Cornwall goes to parley with the Klingons, they kill her escort, only keeping her alive as she is "valuable". When they attack Earth, they completely obliterate Starbase 1, rather than capture it (I don't know how difficult it is to build starbases in Trek, but this seems like a strategically stupid idea to me). The Klingons appear to only take prisoners who have short term value, and murder everyone else they come across. Kol even murdered T'Kumva's followers after they pledged allegiance to him. I'm not expecting pity or mercy from these Klingons. I'm expecting body counts in the millions.
So yes. The Risans could be in a bad situation as they fit the Klingon definition of "weak". These Klingons murder the weak. They probably see it as doing the Risans a favor. Or purging the Federation of "degenerates" since those Risans "mingle" with other races, and that is "icky".
Except we know that Klingons ARE fond of slave labor, because it's canon that have several entire civilizations kept as slaves.
Also it's canon that Risa had been a peaceful utopia for centuries when Picard went there. So, I'm pretty sure that the actual explanation is that when the Klingons entered orbit they ordered the Risians to surrender and graciously accepted their surrender... in part because they had other planets to plunder and even Klingons like a tropical resort, especially if the resort manager pays them money to leave the resort alone.
Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight. The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd. They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight.
The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less.
Or they're a distillation of everything it means to be truly Klingon, devoting oneself to mouthing words about "courage" and "honor" while making Romulans look honest and aboveboard. Because that's more in keeping with the Klingons we've seen throughout all of Trek than Worf's simplistic, childish ideals.
> @patrickngo said: > jonsills wrote: » > > patrickngo wrote: » > > ucgsquawk#5883 wrote: » > > Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight. > The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance. > > Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd. > They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture. > > > > > it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less. > > > > Or they're a distillation of everything it means to be truly Klingon, devoting oneself to mouthing words about "courage" and "honor" while making Romulans look honest and aboveboard. Because that's more in keeping with the Klingons we've seen throughout all of Trek than Worf's simplistic, childish ideals. > > > > > Worf's a wannabee. I will grant that. but these are a parody based on negative stereotypes. They have a culture so dystopian they shouldn't be able to manufacture a screwdriver, much less a starship.
I wouldn't say Worf is a wannabe inasmuch a puritan. Because there are Klingons that are as fanatical with honor as Worf is. But they are few and far between or in Klingon monasteries.
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but know what I'd of liked to see with the new Klingon design? They were Klingons around the time of Khaless who went on a voyage of discovery and conquest and was a house in deep space FOR a long time. Then decided to come back to the Empire but learned about the mutagenic virus and saw how weak the Empire became.
Have these Klingons light the beacon and when the Empire responds, it's the ridgeless Klingons we know from ENT and TOS and you see old raptor and BoP from Ent as the Empire has stagnated answering the call.
Then T'Kuvma brings out his fleet that is the newer stuff in discovery. Now these klingons have some mystery to them. Where did they get this tech? Why do they look the way they do? They could be the reason Klingons get ridges again as this new breed intermingles with the empire.
So much they could of done here.
And they took the cheap easy way out. One of the many reasons I can't STAND DSC.
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> @patrickngo said:
> jonsills wrote: »
> patrickngo wrote: »
> ucgsquawk#5883 wrote: »
> Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight.
> The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
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> Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
> They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
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> it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less.
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> Or they're a distillation of everything it means to be truly Klingon, devoting oneself to mouthing words about "courage" and "honor" while making Romulans look honest and aboveboard. Because that's more in keeping with the Klingons we've seen throughout all of Trek than Worf's simplistic, childish ideals.
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> Worf's a wannabee. I will grant that. but these are a parody based on negative stereotypes. They have a culture so dystopian they shouldn't be able to manufacture a screwdriver, much less a starship.
I wouldn't say Worf is a wannabe inasmuch a puritan. Because there are Klingons that are as fanatical with honor as Worf is. But they are few and far between or in Klingon monasteries.
Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.
nope. not interested in JJ anything, and TRIBBLE other than being star trek's VD, is completely flavored by JJtrek, it has no respect for canon. I'll avoid it completely.. think I'll start a Sith on SWTOR
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I kinda like DSC, despite the issues I do have with it.
I strongly urge the haters to watch Midnight Edge's video on Axanar & Discovery; educate yourselves to better understand, and thus deal with, the problem. Raging and frothing at the mouth is not a constructive nor helpful; it is not even a solution. It is noise.
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I'm not a big fan of Discovery, I didn't enjoy the show at all. (and why are the arguments about the show so personal? attack the show, or defend it, but this cheap personal invective...c'mon)
I don't normally post here, but from my perspective, the Discovery season feels like it puts the brakes on what I felt was an extremely exciting season so far with the Tzenkethi and VIL. Discovery is set in the past, and it's a divisive show to say the least.
Still, STO has already done fairly decent things with Star Trek storylines I had little interest in before, so maybe STO will do something of more interest to me than the show provided. I'll give it a shot.
Still looks like the best Trek movie I would ever have seen. No Hur'q or Iconians who just suddenly call off the war, but an enemy you truly fear by the end of the trailer. All TRIBBLE fanbois should take a note: THOSE were the Klingons Trek was about, not the lethargic idiots in TRIBBLE.
Sadly Peters was a total douche, and it all went nowhere. But it was sure promising.
The 'locked' script was released. You'd have hated the ending. Basically the Klingons have won, and there's only a few Federation planets left (including Earth). For whatever reason, the Klingons send the Bulk of their Fleet to Axanar; and in the end (Thanks to a Fleet of Shuttlecraft, and the 1701 towed in by Shuttles because it's still under construction and while neither it's Anti-Matter reactor or Impulse Drive is operational, it can somehow still fire phasers...)
In the end, the Klingons are 'faked out' by the Shuttle fleet, and Kharn is so impressed by Garth's maneuver, he basically takes his Fleet (which is still largely intact and still larger than the Fed fleet) and heads back to Q'Nos.
War is over, Klingons withdraw - Karn salutes Garth and praises his ability.
(And no, not kidding.)
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Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight.
The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less.
Still looks like the best Trek movie I would ever have seen. No Hur'q or Iconians who just suddenly call off the war, but an enemy you truly fear by the end of the trailer. All TRIBBLE fanbois should take a note: THOSE were the Klingons Trek was about, not the lethargic idiots in TRIBBLE.
Sadly Peters was a total douche, and it all went nowhere. But it was sure promising.
The 'locked' script was released. You'd have hayed the ending. Basically the Klingons have won, and there's only a few Federation planets left (including Earth). For whatever reason, the Klingons send the Bulk of their Fleet to Axanar; and in the end (Thanks to a Fleet of Shittlecraft, and the 1701 (towed in by Shuttles because it's still under construction and while neither it's Anti-Matter reactor or Impulse Drive is operational, it can somehow still fire phasers...
In the end, the Klingons are 'faked out' by the Shuttle fleet, and Kharn is so impressed by Garth's maneuver, he basically takes his Fleet (which is still largely intact and still larger than the Fed fleet and heads back to Q[Nos.
War is over, Klingons withdraw - Karn salutes Garth and praises his ability.
(And no, not kidding.)
Awww. Yes, I don't think I would have liked that ending per se. But thx for the explanation.
> @markhawkman said: > Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. talonxv wrote: » > > > @patrickngo said: > > jonsills wrote: » > > patrickngo wrote: » > > ucgsquawk#5883 wrote: » > > Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight. > > The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance. > > > > Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd. > > They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture. > > > > it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less. > > > > Or they're a distillation of everything it means to be truly Klingon, devoting oneself to mouthing words about "courage" and "honor" while making Romulans look honest and aboveboard. Because that's more in keeping with the Klingons we've seen throughout all of Trek than Worf's simplistic, childish ideals. > > > > Worf's a wannabee. I will grant that. but these are a parody based on negative stereotypes. They have a culture so dystopian they shouldn't be able to manufacture a screwdriver, much less a starship. > > I wouldn't say Worf is a wannabe inasmuch a puritan. Because there are Klingons that are as fanatical with honor as Worf is. But they are few and far between or in Klingon monasteries. > > > > Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.
That is also another possibility.
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Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.
I'd like to believe his time serving in the Federation had rubbed off on him. The Federation taught him that there are often options, besides just killing everyone. And maybe even that 'just killing everyone' isn't always the honorable thing.
Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.
I'd like to believe his time serving in the Federation had rubbed off on him. The Federation taught him that there are often options, besides just killing everyone. And maybe even that 'just killing everyone' isn't always the honorable thing.
Also, how old was Worf when he went to live with Humans on Gault? The exact age isn't known. But Worf was born sometime in 2340, and the Khitomer massacre left him an orphan sometime in 2346. So.. at least 5, no more than 6 when his biological parents died. The first major incident after he arrived on Gault was when he was 7. So yeah, Worf didn't really grow up as a Klingon.
The heresy promulgated by this new show!! It made me so angry I ripped the TV off the wall and threw it out the window. Then I bought a piano and had it hoisted up to the window above the broken TV and cut the cord holding the piano so it fell on the broken TV. I rented a steamroller and drove it over the doubly wrecked TV.
There should be some sort of inquiry into this blasphemous 'Discovery' show.
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discovery is a mix of a lot of things + some new weird stuff. i always hated all the terran stuff, so disappointed to see that in discovery. the spore stuff is a strange idea but why not.
my main concern is the face of the new klingons. I don't understand where this idea comes from. These klingosn are just weird. it's like they wore halloween masks. the job done is totally, irredeemably ugly. Are they klingons or not? it's an other debate.
the kelvin klingons are cool in comparaison. Personally i would like to have a kelvin star trek tv show.
I wait to see how the cryptic team will implement discovery in sto, but i'm not excited.
1 thing is sure, i'm not going to watch the season 2 of discovery.
it's an poor science fiction show, with poor stories and characters. rating 2/5 and i'm generous.
Can’t wait for that albino Klingon c-store unlock!
It's a skin tone option already IIRC.
For liberated borg Klingon.
(Standard color pallet for Klingons uses darker skin tones, there is a light option but it's not quite enough to effectively replicate an albino phenotype.)
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Nope I would rather run my genitals through a meat grinder. Bad enoiugh KT TRIBBLE came in here but at least JJ didn't claim it was the TOS universe unlike CBs which has retconed everything from TOS and the later series claimning what TRIBBLE shows is TOS timeline an is now the only real canon.
The heresy promulgated by this new show!! It made me so angry I ripped the TV off the wall and threw it out the window. Then I bought a piano and had it hoisted up to the window above the broken TV and cut the cord holding the piano so it fell on the broken TV. I rented a steamroller and drove it over the doubly wrecked TV.
There should be some sort of inquiry into this blasphemous 'Discovery' show.
No. DSC does not have to look like TOS at all. TOS dosn't look like any other series it's the odd one out. The embarrassing haircut you had in the late 80s.
DSC has to resemble the consistent Star Trek aesthetic seen from TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09.
No. TRIBBLE does not have to look like 'TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09' at all. All it has to do, is look like what we, in this day and age, would consider what a future starship, 10 years prior to TOS, is supposed to look like. That 'feel' will change every decade or so.
The Discovery ship looks perfect to me: modern and slick, but not ultra-futuristic, like the Enterprise J, the timeship Daniels took us in, to watch the Battle of Procyon 5.
And I keep saying....I know...I know....Star Wars is EXEMPT from all that for some reason you guys keep shouting ~eye roll~ Rogue One, a star wars prequel, kept the looks we saw in the original star wars......kept the star destroyers, tie fighters, interiors and all that.
Oh are you still saying that as though Star Trek and Star Wars are the same thing?
Tiresome.
Star Wars has a modern aesthetic (well 70s) which doesn't require changing. TOS is made of primary colored cardboard and needs changing in a shot which they themselves did as soon as they got a budget.
It might not be a shock, but I DON'T CARE.
CBS Doesn't care. People who like the TOS aesthetic are in a massive minority and don't include every single member of the TOS production staff who changed everything radically for TMP including Saint Roddenberry.
DSC has correctly done what TMP did, what TWoK did and what every new series except VGR has done and created itself a brand new look regardless of what you think.
I strongly urge the haters to watch Midnight Edge's video on Axanar & Discovery
Hahahahaha that arespulling gibbering loon? Why waste valuable eyeball tyme on that!?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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As for Star Wars, 1 the prequel triliogy made massive changes to the aesthetic,
The PT made very little change to the aesthetic but it made additions. The interiors of the Venator or ARC Fighters resemble the Imperator and X-Wings very closely.
Tatooine looks exactly like it does in the OT because it's a rundown craphole. Republic/Imperial ships look the same inside because they've always been plain grey and shiny black (an aesthetic that never goes out of style).
Rebel and civilian technology and Imperial/Republican weaponry resembles Earth tech which has remained identical from the 1940s to the 2020s so the Falcon doesn't look dated and tacky in the same way as the TOS Conni does.
Comparing Star Trek to Star Wars as far as design goes is banal and superficial (which is to be expected from smokebailey anyway) because both franchises have different purposes. Star Wars draws from the familiar and only rarely goes full Sci-Fi on the audience (I'm thinking of Umbara or Utapau here) Star Trek does not draw on the familiar and creates its own style in the way Sci-Fi often does.
And that fictional style creates a reasonably solid look right from the launch of the NX-01 to the refit of the 1701-E and onto the USS Relativity. TOS is the only blip in that flow of fictional aesthetics.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Not sure anyone in this shouting match can deal with that, though...
Also it's canon that Risa had been a peaceful utopia for centuries when Picard went there. So, I'm pretty sure that the actual explanation is that when the Klingons entered orbit they ordered the Risians to surrender and graciously accepted their surrender... in part because they had other planets to plunder and even Klingons like a tropical resort, especially if the resort manager pays them money to leave the resort alone.
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The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
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I wouldn't say Worf is a wannabe inasmuch a puritan. Because there are Klingons that are as fanatical with honor as Worf is. But they are few and far between or in Klingon monasteries.
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Have these Klingons light the beacon and when the Empire responds, it's the ridgeless Klingons we know from ENT and TOS and you see old raptor and BoP from Ent as the Empire has stagnated answering the call.
Then T'Kuvma brings out his fleet that is the newer stuff in discovery. Now these klingons have some mystery to them. Where did they get this tech? Why do they look the way they do? They could be the reason Klingons get ridges again as this new breed intermingles with the empire.
So much they could of done here.
And they took the cheap easy way out. One of the many reasons I can't STAND DSC.
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I kinda like DSC, despite the issues I do have with it.
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PS - I fully support a T6 Nova, fixing the Nova skins. I am also rooting for a T6 Science Cruiser, that can use Nova/Rhode Island skins.
T6 Nova/Rhode Island, T6 Oberth & T6 Constellation are needed. Also needed a T6 Science Cruiser, that can wear any Science or Cruiser skin.
I don't normally post here, but from my perspective, the Discovery season feels like it puts the brakes on what I felt was an extremely exciting season so far with the Tzenkethi and VIL. Discovery is set in the past, and it's a divisive show to say the least.
Still, STO has already done fairly decent things with Star Trek storylines I had little interest in before, so maybe STO will do something of more interest to me than the show provided. I'll give it a shot.
In the end, the Klingons are 'faked out' by the Shuttle fleet, and Kharn is so impressed by Garth's maneuver, he basically takes his Fleet (which is still largely intact and still larger than the Fed fleet) and heads back to Q'Nos.
War is over, Klingons withdraw - Karn salutes Garth and praises his ability.
(And no, not kidding.)
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I LOL-ed. You tell 'em!
Awww. Yes, I don't think I would have liked that ending per se. But thx for the explanation.
> Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. talonxv wrote: »
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> > Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight.
> > The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
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> > Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
> > They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
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> > it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less.
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> > Or they're a distillation of everything it means to be truly Klingon, devoting oneself to mouthing words about "courage" and "honor" while making Romulans look honest and aboveboard. Because that's more in keeping with the Klingons we've seen throughout all of Trek than Worf's simplistic, childish ideals.
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> > Worf's a wannabee. I will grant that. but these are a parody based on negative stereotypes. They have a culture so dystopian they shouldn't be able to manufacture a screwdriver, much less a starship.
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> I wouldn't say Worf is a wannabe inasmuch a puritan. Because there are Klingons that are as fanatical with honor as Worf is. But they are few and far between or in Klingon monasteries.
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> Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.
That is also another possibility.
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I'd like to believe his time serving in the Federation had rubbed off on him. The Federation taught him that there are often options, besides just killing everyone. And maybe even that 'just killing everyone' isn't always the honorable thing.
My character Tsin'xing
There should be some sort of inquiry into this blasphemous 'Discovery' show.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
my main concern is the face of the new klingons. I don't understand where this idea comes from. These klingosn are just weird. it's like they wore halloween masks. the job done is totally, irredeemably ugly. Are they klingons or not? it's an other debate.
the kelvin klingons are cool in comparaison. Personally i would like to have a kelvin star trek tv show.
I wait to see how the cryptic team will implement discovery in sto, but i'm not excited.
1 thing is sure, i'm not going to watch the season 2 of discovery.
it's an poor science fiction show, with poor stories and characters. rating 2/5 and i'm generous.
My character Tsin'xing
For liberated borg Klingon.
(Standard color pallet for Klingons uses darker skin tones, there is a light option but it's not quite enough to effectively replicate an albino phenotype.)
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I'd have loved to actually see all that.
It manages both.
Oh are you still saying that as though Star Trek and Star Wars are the same thing?
Tiresome.
Star Wars has a modern aesthetic (well 70s) which doesn't require changing. TOS is made of primary colored cardboard and needs changing in a shot which they themselves did as soon as they got a budget.
It might not be a shock, but I DON'T CARE.
CBS Doesn't care. People who like the TOS aesthetic are in a massive minority and don't include every single member of the TOS production staff who changed everything radically for TMP including Saint Roddenberry.
DSC has correctly done what TMP did, what TWoK did and what every new series except VGR has done and created itself a brand new look regardless of what you think.
Hahahahaha that arespulling gibbering loon? Why waste valuable eyeball tyme on that!?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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The PT made very little change to the aesthetic but it made additions. The interiors of the Venator or ARC Fighters resemble the Imperator and X-Wings very closely.
Tatooine looks exactly like it does in the OT because it's a rundown craphole. Republic/Imperial ships look the same inside because they've always been plain grey and shiny black (an aesthetic that never goes out of style).
Rebel and civilian technology and Imperial/Republican weaponry resembles Earth tech which has remained identical from the 1940s to the 2020s so the Falcon doesn't look dated and tacky in the same way as the TOS Conni does.
Comparing Star Trek to Star Wars as far as design goes is banal and superficial (which is to be expected from smokebailey anyway) because both franchises have different purposes. Star Wars draws from the familiar and only rarely goes full Sci-Fi on the audience (I'm thinking of Umbara or Utapau here) Star Trek does not draw on the familiar and creates its own style in the way Sci-Fi often does.
And that fictional style creates a reasonably solid look right from the launch of the NX-01 to the refit of the 1701-E and onto the USS Relativity. TOS is the only blip in that flow of fictional aesthetics.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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