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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,252 Arc User
    > @patrickngo said:
    > jonsills wrote: »
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    > ucgsquawk#5883 wrote: »
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    > Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight.
    > The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
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    > Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
    > They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
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    > it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less.
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    > Or they're a distillation of everything it means to be truly Klingon, devoting oneself to mouthing words about "courage" and "honor" while making Romulans look honest and aboveboard. Because that's more in keeping with the Klingons we've seen throughout all of Trek than Worf's simplistic, childish ideals.
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    > Worf's a wannabee. I will grant that. but these are a parody based on negative stereotypes. They have a culture so dystopian they shouldn't be able to manufacture a screwdriver, much less a starship.

    I wouldn't say Worf is a wannabe inasmuch a puritan. Because there are Klingons that are as fanatical with honor as Worf is. But they are few and far between or in Klingon monasteries.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,252 Arc User
    but know what I'd of liked to see with the new Klingon design? They were Klingons around the time of Khaless who went on a voyage of discovery and conquest and was a house in deep space FOR a long time. Then decided to come back to the Empire but learned about the mutagenic virus and saw how weak the Empire became.

    Have these Klingons light the beacon and when the Empire responds, it's the ridgeless Klingons we know from ENT and TOS and you see old raptor and BoP from Ent as the Empire has stagnated answering the call.

    Then T'Kuvma brings out his fleet that is the newer stuff in discovery. Now these klingons have some mystery to them. Where did they get this tech? Why do they look the way they do? They could be the reason Klingons get ridges again as this new breed intermingles with the empire.

    So much they could of done here.

    And they took the cheap easy way out. One of the many reasons I can't STAND DSC.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered.
    talonxv wrote: »
    > @patrickngo said:
    > jonsills wrote: »
    > patrickngo wrote: »
    > ucgsquawk#5883 wrote: »
    > Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight.
    > The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
    >
    > Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
    > They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
    >
    > it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less.
    >
    > Or they're a distillation of everything it means to be truly Klingon, devoting oneself to mouthing words about "courage" and "honor" while making Romulans look honest and aboveboard. Because that's more in keeping with the Klingons we've seen throughout all of Trek than Worf's simplistic, childish ideals.
    >
    > Worf's a wannabee. I will grant that. but these are a parody based on negative stereotypes. They have a culture so dystopian they shouldn't be able to manufacture a screwdriver, much less a starship.

    I wouldn't say Worf is a wannabe inasmuch a puritan. Because there are Klingons that are as fanatical with honor as Worf is. But they are few and far between or in Klingon monasteries.
    Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.
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  • sarvour0sarvour0 Member Posts: 382 Arc User
    nope. not interested in JJ anything, and TRIBBLE other than being star trek's VD, is completely flavored by JJtrek, it has no respect for canon. I'll avoid it completely.. think I'll start a Sith on SWTOR
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    I have a few character ideas to make with the new content, so looking forward to it.

    I kinda like DSC, despite the issues I do have with it.
    I strongly urge the haters to watch Midnight Edge's video on Axanar & Discovery; educate yourselves to better understand, and thus deal with, the problem. Raging and frothing at the mouth is not a constructive nor helpful; it is not even a solution. It is noise.

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  • shinden1shinden1 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    I'm not a big fan of Discovery, I didn't enjoy the show at all. (and why are the arguments about the show so personal? attack the show, or defend it, but this cheap personal invective...c'mon)

    I don't normally post here, but from my perspective, the Discovery season feels like it puts the brakes on what I felt was an extremely exciting season so far with the Tzenkethi and VIL. Discovery is set in the past, and it's a divisive show to say the least.

    Still, STO has already done fairly decent things with Star Trek storylines I had little interest in before, so maybe STO will do something of more interest to me than the show provided. I'll give it a shot.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,919 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Still looks like the best Trek movie I would ever have seen. No Hur'q or Iconians who just suddenly call off the war, but an enemy you truly fear by the end of the trailer. All TRIBBLE fanbois should take a note: THOSE were the Klingons Trek was about, not the lethargic idiots in TRIBBLE.

    Sadly Peters was a total douche, and it all went nowhere. But it was sure promising.
    The 'locked' script was released. You'd have hated the ending. Basically the Klingons have won, and there's only a few Federation planets left (including Earth). For whatever reason, the Klingons send the Bulk of their Fleet to Axanar; and in the end (Thanks to a Fleet of Shuttlecraft, and the 1701 towed in by Shuttles because it's still under construction and while neither it's Anti-Matter reactor or Impulse Drive is operational, it can somehow still fire phasers...)

    In the end, the Klingons are 'faked out' by the Shuttle fleet, and Kharn is so impressed by Garth's maneuver, he basically takes his Fleet (which is still largely intact and still larger than the Fed fleet) and heads back to Q'Nos.

    War is over, Klingons withdraw - Karn salutes Garth and praises his ability.

    (And no, not kidding.)
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,395 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight.
    The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.

    Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
    They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.

    it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less.


    I LOL-ed. You tell 'em! :)
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,395 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Still looks like the best Trek movie I would ever have seen. No Hur'q or Iconians who just suddenly call off the war, but an enemy you truly fear by the end of the trailer. All TRIBBLE fanbois should take a note: THOSE were the Klingons Trek was about, not the lethargic idiots in TRIBBLE.

    Sadly Peters was a total douche, and it all went nowhere. But it was sure promising.
    The 'locked' script was released. You'd have hayed the ending. Basically the Klingons have won, and there's only a few Federation planets left (including Earth). For whatever reason, the Klingons send the Bulk of their Fleet to Axanar; and in the end (Thanks to a Fleet of Shittlecraft, and the 1701 (towed in by Shuttles because it's still under construction and while neither it's Anti-Matter reactor or Impulse Drive is operational, it can somehow still fire phasers...

    In the end, the Klingons are 'faked out' by the Shuttle fleet, and Kharn is so impressed by Garth's maneuver, he basically takes his Fleet (which is still largely intact and still larger than the Fed fleet and heads back to Q[Nos.

    War is over, Klingons withdraw - Karn salutes Garth and praises his ability.

    (And no, not kidding.)


    Awww. Yes, I don't think I would have liked that ending per se. But thx for the explanation.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,252 Arc User
    > @markhawkman said:
    > Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. talonxv wrote: »
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    > > @patrickngo said:
    > > jonsills wrote: »
    > > patrickngo wrote: »
    > > ucgsquawk#5883 wrote: »
    > > Or it's like Organia, the people are sheep not fit to be conquered. They will be governed as sheep since they will not fight.
    > > The Klingons were quite happy to rule them without wiping them out when they offered no resistance.
    > >
    > > Though that doesn't seem to fit as well with the new klingons as much as traditional (TOS/TNG) ones....then again who knows, new klingons are just....odd.
    > > They feel a bit like an after thought to the story rather than a culture.
    > >
    > > it's easy to figure it out; Discovery's "Klingons" are a composite of the worst and most revolting stereotypes of "Klingons" throughout all the previous series, that is, they're basically a parody in excessive latex, no more, no less.
    > >
    > > Or they're a distillation of everything it means to be truly Klingon, devoting oneself to mouthing words about "courage" and "honor" while making Romulans look honest and aboveboard. Because that's more in keeping with the Klingons we've seen throughout all of Trek than Worf's simplistic, childish ideals.
    > >
    > > Worf's a wannabee. I will grant that. but these are a parody based on negative stereotypes. They have a culture so dystopian they shouldn't be able to manufacture a screwdriver, much less a starship.
    >
    > I wouldn't say Worf is a wannabe inasmuch a puritan. Because there are Klingons that are as fanatical with honor as Worf is. But they are few and far between or in Klingon monasteries.
    >
    >
    >
    > Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.

    That is also another possibility.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,395 Arc User
    Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.


    I'd like to believe his time serving in the Federation had rubbed off on him. The Federation taught him that there are often options, besides just killing everyone. And maybe even that 'just killing everyone' isn't always the honorable thing.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Yeah, I get the feeling Worf's idea of what it meant to be Klingon was heavily filtered. Probably because the people raising him wanted him to fit in in Human society and not try to loot and pillage everyone who annoyed him. IE, he only learned the good side. He heard "glory in battle" but he didn't realize that to most Klingons that meant killing their enemies, looting their stuff and listening to the lamentations of their children.
    I'd like to believe his time serving in the Federation had rubbed off on him. The Federation taught him that there are often options, besides just killing everyone. And maybe even that 'just killing everyone' isn't always the honorable thing.
    Also, how old was Worf when he went to live with Humans on Gault? The exact age isn't known. But Worf was born sometime in 2340, and the Khitomer massacre left him an orphan sometime in 2346. So.. at least 5, no more than 6 when his biological parents died. The first major incident after he arrived on Gault was when he was 7. So yeah, Worf didn't really grow up as a Klingon.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    The heresy promulgated by this new show!! It made me so angry I ripped the TV off the wall and threw it out the window. Then I bought a piano and had it hoisted up to the window above the broken TV and cut the cord holding the piano so it fell on the broken TV. I rented a steamroller and drove it over the doubly wrecked TV.

    There should be some sort of inquiry into this blasphemous 'Discovery' show.

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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    discovery is a mix of a lot of things + some new weird stuff. i always hated all the terran stuff, so disappointed to see that in discovery. the spore stuff is a strange idea but why not.

    my main concern is the face of the new klingons. I don't understand where this idea comes from. These klingosn are just weird. it's like they wore halloween masks. the job done is totally, irredeemably ugly. Are they klingons or not? it's an other debate.

    the kelvin klingons are cool in comparaison. Personally i would like to have a kelvin star trek tv show.

    I wait to see how the cryptic team will implement discovery in sto, but i'm not excited.
    1 thing is sure, i'm not going to watch the season 2 of discovery.

    it's an poor science fiction show, with poor stories and characters. rating 2/5 and i'm generous.
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  • usskentuckyusskentucky Member Posts: 402 Arc User
    Can’t wait for that albino Klingon c-store unlock!
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Can’t wait for that albino Klingon c-store unlock!
    It's a skin tone option already IIRC.
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    Can’t wait for that albino Klingon c-store unlock!
    It's a skin tone option already IIRC.

    For liberated borg Klingon. ;)

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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    Nope I would rather run my genitals through a meat grinder. Bad enoiugh KT TRIBBLE came in here but at least JJ didn't claim it was the TOS universe unlike CBs which has retconed everything from TOS and the later series claimning what TRIBBLE shows is TOS timeline an is now the only real canon.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,813 Arc User
    Submarine, are you really that badly hung up on the visuals? Because visuals are the only thing that don't match up perfectly with TOS.
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,457 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    The heresy promulgated by this new show!! It made me so angry I ripped the TV off the wall and threw it out the window. Then I bought a piano and had it hoisted up to the window above the broken TV and cut the cord holding the piano so it fell on the broken TV. I rented a steamroller and drove it over the doubly wrecked TV.

    There should be some sort of inquiry into this blasphemous 'Discovery' show.

    I'd have loved to actually see all that. ;)
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    No. DSC does not have to look like TOS at all. TOS dosn't look like any other series it's the odd one out. The embarrassing haircut you had in the late 80s.

    DSC has to resemble the consistent Star Trek aesthetic seen from TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09.


    No. TRIBBLE does not have to look like 'TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09' at all. All it has to do, is look like what we, in this day and age, would consider what a future starship, 10 years prior to TOS, is supposed to look like. That 'feel' will change every decade or so.

    The Discovery ship looks perfect to me: modern and slick, but not ultra-futuristic, like the Enterprise J, the timeship Daniels took us in, to watch the Battle of Procyon 5.

    It manages both.
    And I keep saying....I know...I know....Star Wars is EXEMPT from all that for some reason you guys keep shouting ~eye roll~ Rogue One, a star wars prequel, kept the looks we saw in the original star wars......kept the star destroyers, tie fighters, interiors and all that.

    Oh are you still saying that as though Star Trek and Star Wars are the same thing?
    Tiresome.
    Star Wars has a modern aesthetic (well 70s) which doesn't require changing. TOS is made of primary colored cardboard and needs changing in a shot which they themselves did as soon as they got a budget.
    This might be a shock...some of us LIKE TOS.


    DEAL WITH IT.

    It might not be a shock, but I DON'T CARE.
    CBS Doesn't care. People who like the TOS aesthetic are in a massive minority and don't include every single member of the TOS production staff who changed everything radically for TMP including Saint Roddenberry.

    DSC has correctly done what TMP did, what TWoK did and what every new series except VGR has done and created itself a brand new look regardless of what you think.
    sarvour0 wrote: »
    I strongly urge the haters to watch Midnight Edge's video on Axanar & Discovery

    Hahahahaha that arespulling gibbering loon? Why waste valuable eyeball tyme on that!?​​
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 11,125 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    Nope I would rather run my genitals through a meat grinder.

    If changes to a 52+ year old television program anger you this much, you very much need a serious mental health exam.

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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    azrael605 wrote: »
    As for Star Wars, 1 the prequel triliogy made massive changes to the aesthetic,

    The PT made very little change to the aesthetic but it made additions. The interiors of the Venator or ARC Fighters resemble the Imperator and X-Wings very closely.

    Tatooine looks exactly like it does in the OT because it's a rundown craphole. Republic/Imperial ships look the same inside because they've always been plain grey and shiny black (an aesthetic that never goes out of style).

    Rebel and civilian technology and Imperial/Republican weaponry resembles Earth tech which has remained identical from the 1940s to the 2020s so the Falcon doesn't look dated and tacky in the same way as the TOS Conni does.

    Comparing Star Trek to Star Wars as far as design goes is banal and superficial (which is to be expected from smokebailey anyway) because both franchises have different purposes. Star Wars draws from the familiar and only rarely goes full Sci-Fi on the audience (I'm thinking of Umbara or Utapau here) Star Trek does not draw on the familiar and creates its own style in the way Sci-Fi often does.

    And that fictional style creates a reasonably solid look right from the launch of the NX-01 to the refit of the 1701-E and onto the USS Relativity. TOS is the only blip in that flow of fictional aesthetics.​​
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    the only things in PT that looked shiny and new were naboo ships, and ultra-polished chrome is just their design style​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Ahh but artan Star Wars fans thought the PT was so different that George Lucas made a public statement explaining the changes. How things in the PT looked all shiney and new compared to the run down rusty look of the OT.

    Well that's just fanbois not paying proper attention to new material. Most of the difference was down to the PT being visible in much higher definition filmed using modern cameras and lighting in sets that weren't 5 square metres. True they did use a lot of primitive CGI that (at that time) wasn't able to capture the same feel as props but they were off base anyway.

    Right from the start of TPM the Trade Federation tech is dented and scratched. The Battle Droids are covered in blast marks and the MTTs have sections of paint missing.

    Fanbois look for things to complain about and when they can't find them they make them up.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Which was part of my point about those whining about Discovery.

    I got your point. I just had to point out the PT added to the aesthetic not changed it.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,960 Arc User
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    Ahh but artan Star Wars fans thought the PT was so different that George Lucas made a public statement explaining the changes. How things in the PT looked all shiney and new compared to the run down rusty look of the OT.

    Well that's just fanbois not paying proper attention to new material. Most of the difference was down to the PT being visible in much higher definition filmed using modern cameras and lighting in sets that weren't 5 square metres. True they did use a lot of primitive CGI that (at that time) wasn't able to capture the same feel as props but they were off base anyway.

    Right from the start of TPM the Trade Federation tech is dented and scratched. The Battle Droids are covered in blast marks and the MTTs have sections of paint missing.

    Fanbois look for things to complain about and when they can't find them they make them up.​​

    We were discussing the issues of the Star Wars prequels, and I think it's not just the specific design aesthetic. The biggest problem is it doesn't feel real enough. The original Star Wars movies needed t work with models and physical sets, and I guess that made it easier to make them look physically real. Because, well, they were real physical things, at all times. On top, the industrial look and the "used" feel made them feel more authentic. The prequels relied a lot more on CGI and just couldn't fully replicate the effect. It might be the uncanny valley effect for objects, really. It's close, but just so close that the wrongness sticks out.


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