Which makes it even more interesting since it's clear when you look at the map that the Klingons weren't doing scorched earth as they went along. They were picking targets to smash, but seemed more interested in conquest than annihilation. Seriously, one of the marked planets was RISA... obviously they didn't bomb Risa.
> @markhawkman said: > meimeitoo wrote: » > > markhawkman wrote: » > > meimeitoo wrote: » > > markhawkman wrote: » > > meimeitoo wrote: » > > jonsills wrote: » > > It's not moving, atrox. And it never was. All that fundraising was for Peters' own private studio, not to make any Trek movies, and he was using the Star Trek IP to sell it - on everything from his movie that never even had a script, to T-shirts, to four varieties of coffee. > > > > That's bad; because it looked promising, and I likely would have watched it. > > > > That's because Peters didn't really make Prelude and the guys who did jumped ship when they realized Peters had no intention of actually making Axanar. > > I still don't get why people liked it. To me it feels like the most grimdark interpretation of Star Trek yet. But you don't need ME to tell you what it was when you can watch it yourselves: > > > > > Still looks like the best Trek movie I would ever have seen. No Hur'q or Iconians who just suddenly call off the war, but an enemy you truly fear by the end of the trailer. All TRIBBLE fanbois should take a note: THOSE were the Klingons Trek was about, not the lethargic idiots in TRIBBLE. > > Sadly Peters was a total douche, and it all went nowhere. But it was sure promising. > > > > Problem with this piece is that it makes it look like the Federation is getting overrun rather quickly if not for the actions of our heroic hero. > > > > That is true. But I liked the idea of the peace-loving Federation simply being wholly unprepared for such a brutal war. Like the way Germany invaded large portions of Europe, with relative ease, the first year of WW II. And by the time they introduced the D7 to battle in that trailer, the Klingons really have instilled fear in your heart. That's my archetype of a Klingon, someone like General Martok: not just a rogue beast, but someone you don't want to see in battle against you. > > I often just feel Trek is too 'white picket fence-y'. Which is why I liked Babylon 5 so much: it's decidedly grimmer, and few things come easy. But yeah, it remains a guess what an actual Axanar movie would have looked like. > > > > The problem is that it just doesn't match TOS at all. Wars of that scale weren't something Starfleet was on the losing end of.
Thing is though it never said the Federation won that war without breaking a sweat. Just said they didn't lose.
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Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up.
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> Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up.
I've got no idea who you think is making "a nice friendly comparison" but there was nothing good about the scam known as Axanar. Peters never had a script, at any time, and as multiple people who worked on Axanar (such as Tony Todd) would later reveal that was only the start of his lies. The whole thing was just a scam to use Trek fans to fund Peters's studio, it deserves to be burned buried and forgotten like the trash it is.
Yeah, when it comes to Axanar, I'm a black knight. Nothing worth defending there, just a charred heap of what may have been garbage before Peters doused it in gasoline and lit it on fire repeatedly.
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> Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up.
I've got no idea who you think is making "a nice friendly comparison" but there was nothing good about the scam known as Axanar. Peters never had a script, at any time, and as multiple people who worked on Axanar (such as Tony Todd) would later reveal that was only the start of his lies. The whole thing was just a scam to use Trek fans to fund Peters's studio, it deserves to be burned buried and forgotten like the trash it is.
> @talonxv said:
> Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up.
I've got no idea who you think is making "a nice friendly comparison" but there was nothing good about the scam known as Axanar. Peters never had a script, at any time, and as multiple people who worked on Axanar (such as Tony Todd) would later reveal that was only the start of his lies. The whole thing was just a scam to use Trek fans to fund Peters's studio, it deserves to be burned buried and forgotten like the trash it is.
Yet the prelude impressed me more than Disco has, same for the 1st two JJ films.
Something was done right, I think.
> @azrael605 said: > > @talonxv said: > > Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up. > > I've got no idea who you think is making "a nice friendly comparison" but there was nothing good about the scam known as Axanar. Peters never had a script, at any time, and as multiple people who worked on Axanar (such as Tony Todd) would later reveal that was only the start of his lies. The whole thing was just a scam to use Trek fans to fund Peters's studio, it deserves to be burned buried and forgotten like the trash it is.
Look I am talking STYLE and LOOK not business.
I am not going to defend business wise what Peters did cause he did indeed TRIBBLE over fan productions and made CBS do those draconian rules. I do not disagree one bit on that.
However what Peters did do style wise for Axanar, looks IMHO FAR superior to DSC and actually looks like it belongs 10 years before the events of TOS.
Hell I'll go 1 further. Most of the designs in DSC are not too bad on the Fed side. Most of my issue is, for me they don't fit in that time line. As I've said before most of those designs feel like TMP era 20-30 years later, not TOS. But with a few changes, even Discovery herself could EASILY feel like a design that fits in between ENT and TOS, but for some reason I cannot fathom, the designers didn't do it.
That's how I feel about DSC, either move it to TMP era, or slide the designs on the Fed side to look more like the Cage.
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> @somtaawkhar said: > talonxv wrote: » > > But with a few changes, even Discovery herself could EASILY feel like a design that fits in between ENT and TOS, but for some reason I cannot fathom, the designers didn't do it. > > > > Generally speaking, in scifi, and even many fantasy series, its considered a stupid move to intentionally try to design things to fit in with how they looked in media a decade or more ago, since people's idea of what the future, or even good fantasy, constantly changes, so too much you change the style of things to fit it. > > This isn't normally a problem in TV shows, since very few TV shows actually have such an extended meta-series like Star Trek does, and are instead one shot shows that last for seven seasons and then are done, with no spin offs or sequels. But if you look at long running video game franchises such as Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Deus Ex, even Doom, they constantly reimagine what basically everything looks like, nearly every single game, even if those games are just 5 years apart, because what is expected of them visually, and design wise, changes a lot in just a short time. This is why newer Dues Ex games look a lot more advanced then the older ones, despite being set before the older ones, and other such things. > > No one designs to fit in with how things looked in the past because that is incredibly dumb, and none of these series actually treat visuals as canon anyways. > > This is part of the reason why, I would suspect, that CBS has forced a "25% different" mandate on things Discovery, even when it comes to the Constitution Class.
Yet they could of done so witha fresh look. Take the touch pads for example. Instead of blue for the keys and such, use red and yellow like the TOS was colored in. Simple things like that.
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> @azrael605 said: > > @talonxv said: > > > @azrael605 said: > > > > @talonxv said: > > > > Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up. > > > > > > I've got no idea who you think is making "a nice friendly comparison" but there was nothing good about the scam known as Axanar. Peters never had a script, at any time, and as multiple people who worked on Axanar (such as Tony Todd) would later reveal that was only the start of his lies. The whole thing was just a scam to use Trek fans to fund Peters's studio, it deserves to be burned buried and forgotten like the trash it is. > > > > Look I am talking STYLE and LOOK not business. > > > > I am not going to defend business wise what Peters did cause he did indeed **** over fan productions and made CBS do those draconian rules. I do not disagree one bit on that. > > > > However what Peters did do style wise for Axanar, looks IMHO FAR superior to DSC and actually looks like it belongs 10 years before the events of TOS. > > > > Hell I'll go 1 further. Most of the designs in DSC are not too bad on the Fed side. Most of my issue is, for me they don't fit in that time line. As I've said before most of those designs feel like TMP era 20-30 years later, not TOS. But with a few changes, even Discovery herself could EASILY feel like a design that fits in between ENT and TOS, but for some reason I cannot fathom, the designers didn't do it. > > > > That's how I feel about DSC, either move it to TMP era, or slide the designs on the Fed side to look more like the Cage. > > Quite frankly that's idiotic, axanar wasn't even as good as Star Trek Continues and they had the worst acting of all the fan Productions it's pathetic and this idea that you have it somehow you can tell CBS what to do with their property is even more idiotic.
Ok then go by star trek continues. Frak I don't care. The point is a lot of what Discovery has done doesn't even flow well from Enterprise and sure as hell doesn't flow well into TOS. And a few style changes and it easily could.
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> @somtaawkhar said: > talonxv wrote: » > > Yet they could of done so witha fresh look. Take the touch pads for example. Instead of blue for the keys and such, use red and yellow like the TOS was colored in. Simple things like that. > > > > Red and Yellow are not colors generally associated with space scifi, and haven't been for some time. Dark blues and other such colors are the modern space scifi colors, and have seen been around the time of enterprise, which also had a blue coloring to its monitors and such.
I don't care about the rest of Scifi. I care about STAR TREK. And in TOS that this is 10 years before, the motif is reds and yellows. PERIOD.
Unless this is a full reboot of the series and cannon is now from DSC on and every other series is now no longer cannon.
And if it's that way just freaking say so and get it over with.
Otherwise the series seriously needs to flow better into TOS.
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I don't care about the rest of Scifi. I care about STAR TREK. And in TOS that this is 10 years before, the motif is reds and yellows. PERIOD.
10 years ago, my computer was beige. Today, you'd be hard-pressed to find one that isn't black. If your argument is that the colors people like in something can't change over 10 years, it's a really weak argument.
More so because TOS used pretty much every color of paint they could find. Seriously, for an example, the shuttlebay:
What you want the NON-animated version? fine, but it has even less red:
Ent-D:
Voyager:
Discovery:
Not much difference in the color schemes really. Honestly the TNG one sticks out the most but that's because it has white walls instead of grey.
Nope. I tried watching TRIBBLE, confident that it would improve after the first couple episodes, but I couldn't even make myself finish the first season. I kept hoping it'd get better, but after watching all but the last couple episodes, I just can't sit through any more. Glad I didn't pay CBS for it.
The fact that we finally got a DS9-centric season was fantastic, and it was very well-done. It really saddens me to see it cut short just so we can all have TRIBBLE shoved down our throats. I certainly hope the TRIBBLE thing is just a marketing phase, and gets just as short a treatment as the Gamma series.
Maybe the writers at Cryptic can do something palatable with it, and the TRIBBLE stuff won't be terrible in the game. Maybe it will be a skippable story arc. I really hope it goes over well; I'm willing to give it a fair chance, since the decision to put this stuff in the game has already been made, but it's hard to fully express my disappointment.
No. DSC does not have to look like TOS at all. TOS dosn't look like any other series it's the odd one out. The embarrassing haircut you had in the late 80s.
DSC has to resemble the consistent Star Trek aesthetic seen from TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09. That means lots of blue, lots of black, and lots of grey. It means complex shapes and dim lighting not spotlights and basic cut outs. It means computers with actual layouts and not ridiculous jellybean controls with no displays.
The worst part of Axanar was were they tried to blend the cheap and tacky TOS sore thumb with the Kelvin era tech they'd fit into the rest of the footage. Thank gods DSC is flat out ignoring the cheap, primary coloured, cardboard of TOS in favour of looking like what Star Trek became.
I hope all future Blu-rays Lucasise TOS to rotoscope the actors heads onto new uniforms and sets just for the correnies it'll cause.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
No. DSC does not have to look like TOS at all. TOS dosn't look like any other series it's the odd one out. The embarrassing haircut you had in the late 80s.
DSC has to resemble the consistent Star Trek aesthetic seen from TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09.
No. TRIBBLE does not have to look like 'TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09' at all. All it has to do, is look like what we, in this day and age, would consider what a future starship, 10 years prior to TOS, is supposed to look like. That 'feel' will change every decade or so.
The Discovery ship looks perfect to me: modern and slick, but not ultra-futuristic, like the Enterprise J, the timeship Daniels took us in, to watch the Battle of Procyon 5.
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> Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up.
I've got no idea who you think is making "a nice friendly comparison" but there was nothing good about the scam known as Axanar. Peters never had a script, at any time, and as multiple people who worked on Axanar (such as Tony Todd) would later reveal that was only the start of his lies. The whole thing was just a scam to use Trek fans to fund Peters's studio, it deserves to be burned buried and forgotten like the trash it is.
Or... we could try and be mature about this, and indeed do the "nice friendly comparison", whilst all still agreeing Peters was a total douche. Hate the man, not the show. Naturally, the 'show' was literally only a Prelude, but it looked kick-*ss to me, and I truly feared the Klingons by the end of it, when they brought out their D7. Scam or no, TRIBBLE has never been able to make me feel the same way about *their* pathetic Klingons at all, LOL; not even remotely.
Well yeah Peters had only one target Trek fans so he focued on all what they want and they took the bait
DISCO is made for a general audience not just Trek fans just like TNG at first was for Trek fans but didn't become popular till they switched it up in season 3
> @meimeitoo said: > azrael605 wrote: » > > > @talonxv said: > > Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up. > > I've got no idea who you think is making "a nice friendly comparison" but there was nothing good about the scam known as Axanar. Peters never had a script, at any time, and as multiple people who worked on Axanar (such as Tony Todd) would later reveal that was only the start of his lies. The whole thing was just a scam to use Trek fans to fund Peters's studio, it deserves to be burned buried and forgotten like the trash it is. > > > > > > Or... we could try and be mature about this, and indeed do the "nice friendly comparison", whilst all still agreeing Peters was a total douche. Hate the man, not the show. Naturally, the 'show' was literally only a Prelude, but it looked kick-*ss to me, and I truly feared the Klingons by the end of it, when they brought out their D7. Scam or no, TRIBBLE has never been able to make me feel the same way about *their* pathetic Klingons at all, LOL; not even remotely.
Exactly.
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I don't care about the rest of Scifi. I care about STAR TREK. And in TOS that this is 10 years before, the motif is reds and yellows. PERIOD.
Unless this is a full reboot of the series and cannon is now from DSC on and every other series is now no longer cannon.
And if it's that way just freaking say so and get it over with.
Otherwise the series seriously needs to flow better into TOS.
And I keep saying....I know...I know....Star Wars is EXEMPT from all that for some reason you guys keep shouting ~eye roll~ Rogue One, a star wars prequel, kept the looks we saw in the original star wars......kept the star destroyers, tie fighters, interiors and all that.
Seems to me Discovery is championing Enterprise, and trying really hard to sweep away TOS into the rubbish been for good. And with "REBOOT MANIA!" running so strong in Hollywood (since...you know...anything original, or continuations seems to be frowned upon), it's only a matter of time, sadly.
Nope. I tried watching TRIBBLE, confident that it would improve after the first couple episodes, but I couldn't even make myself finish the first season. I kept hoping it'd get better, but after watching all but the last couple episodes, I just can't sit through any more. Glad I didn't pay CBS for it.
The fact that we finally got a DS9-centric season was fantastic, and it was very well-done. It really saddens me to see it cut short just so we can all have TRIBBLE shoved down our throats. I certainly hope the TRIBBLE thing is just a marketing phase, and gets just as short a treatment as the Gamma series.
Maybe the writers at Cryptic can do something palatable with it, and the TRIBBLE stuff won't be terrible in the game. Maybe it will be a skippable story arc. I really hope it goes over well; I'm willing to give it a fair chance, since the decision to put this stuff in the game has already been made, but it's hard to fully express my disappointment.
Maybe we get to shove Burnham through an airlock.......a girl can dream, can't she?
No. DSC does not have to look like TOS at all. TOS dosn't look like any other series it's the odd one out. The embarrassing haircut you had in the late 80s.
DSC has to resemble the consistent Star Trek aesthetic seen from TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09. That means lots of blue, lots of black, and lots of grey. It means complex shapes and dim lighting not spotlights and basic cut outs. It means computers with actual layouts and not ridiculous jellybean controls with no displays.
The worst part of Axanar was were they tried to blend the cheap and tacky TOS sore thumb with the Kelvin era tech they'd fit into the rest of the footage. Thank gods DSC is flat out ignoring the cheap, primary coloured, cardboard of TOS in favour of looking like what Star Trek became.
I hope all future Blu-rays Lucasise TOS to rotoscope the actors heads onto new uniforms and sets just for the correnies it'll cause.
Nope. I tried watching TRIBBLE, confident that it would improve after the first couple episodes, but I couldn't even make myself finish the first season. I kept hoping it'd get better, but after watching all but the last couple episodes, I just can't sit through any more. Glad I didn't pay CBS for it.
The fact that we finally got a DS9-centric season was fantastic, and it was very well-done. It really saddens me to see it cut short just so we can all have TRIBBLE shoved down our throats. I certainly hope the TRIBBLE thing is just a marketing phase, and gets just as short a treatment as the Gamma series.
Maybe the writers at Cryptic can do something palatable with it, and the TRIBBLE stuff won't be terrible in the game. Maybe it will be a skippable story arc. I really hope it goes over well; I'm willing to give it a fair chance, since the decision to put this stuff in the game has already been made, but it's hard to fully express my disappointment.
Maybe we get to shove Burnham through an airlock.......a girl can dream, can't she?
^^ Listen to what smokebailey says! She knows whereof she speaks.
Which makes it even more interesting since it's clear when you look at the map that the Klingons weren't doing scorched earth as they went along. They were picking targets to smash, but seemed more interested in conquest than annihilation. Seriously, one of the marked planets was RISA... obviously they didn't bomb Risa.
How do you know they did not bomb Risa?
We are right back to where we started. We have no idea what was happening during the Klingon War.
From the beginning, we know the Klingons are not keen on taking prisoners or slaves. Their first incursion (the terror raids) they murdered everyone they could find. Eventually, the Vulcans became tired of the Klingon's shenanigans and murdered them in return. The Klingons got sulky and went home (apparently, everyone completely forgot about all this, because the Federation and Starfleet ignore their murderous neighbors until the Battle of the Binary Stars). When the Klingons capture Tyler, they scoop his brains out. When they capture Lorca, they murder everyone else on the shuttle. The only reason they did not kill Lorca is because they needed him to bring Tyler/Voq back to the Federation. When they attack the mining colony (an unarmed civilian settlement) they attempt to bomb it into the dust rather than capture it. Every spaceship battle we see, the Klingons do not demand surrender. They kill without mercy. When Admiral Cornwall goes to parley with the Klingons, they kill her escort, only keeping her alive as she is "valuable". When they attack Earth, they completely obliterate Starbase 1, rather than capture it (I don't know how difficult it is to build starbases in Trek, but this seems like a strategically stupid idea to me). The Klingons appear to only take prisoners who have short term value, and murder everyone else they come across. Kol even murdered T'Kumva's followers after they pledged allegiance to him. I'm not expecting pity or mercy from these Klingons. I'm expecting body counts in the millions.
So yes. The Risans could be in a bad situation as they fit the Klingon definition of "weak". These Klingons murder the weak. They probably see it as doing the Risans a favor. Or purging the Federation of "degenerates" since those Risans "mingle" with other races, and that is "icky".
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Thing is though it never said the Federation won that war without breaking a sweat. Just said they didn't lose.
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It couldn't have been said better.
Yet the prelude impressed me more than Disco has, same for the 1st two JJ films.
Something was done right, I think.
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> > Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up.
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Look I am talking STYLE and LOOK not business.
I am not going to defend business wise what Peters did cause he did indeed TRIBBLE over fan productions and made CBS do those draconian rules. I do not disagree one bit on that.
However what Peters did do style wise for Axanar, looks IMHO FAR superior to DSC and actually looks like it belongs 10 years before the events of TOS.
Hell I'll go 1 further. Most of the designs in DSC are not too bad on the Fed side. Most of my issue is, for me they don't fit in that time line. As I've said before most of those designs feel like TMP era 20-30 years later, not TOS. But with a few changes, even Discovery herself could EASILY feel like a design that fits in between ENT and TOS, but for some reason I cannot fathom, the designers didn't do it.
That's how I feel about DSC, either move it to TMP era, or slide the designs on the Fed side to look more like the Cage.
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Yet they could of done so witha fresh look. Take the touch pads for example. Instead of blue for the keys and such, use red and yellow like the TOS was colored in. Simple things like that.
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> > > > Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up.
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> > > I've got no idea who you think is making "a nice friendly comparison" but there was nothing good about the scam known as Axanar. Peters never had a script, at any time, and as multiple people who worked on Axanar (such as Tony Todd) would later reveal that was only the start of his lies. The whole thing was just a scam to use Trek fans to fund Peters's studio, it deserves to be burned buried and forgotten like the trash it is.
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> > However what Peters did do style wise for Axanar, looks IMHO FAR superior to DSC and actually looks like it belongs 10 years before the events of TOS.
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Ok then go by star trek continues. Frak I don't care. The point is a lot of what Discovery has done doesn't even flow well from Enterprise and sure as hell doesn't flow well into TOS. And a few style changes and it easily could.
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I don't care about the rest of Scifi. I care about STAR TREK. And in TOS that this is 10 years before, the motif is reds and yellows. PERIOD.
Unless this is a full reboot of the series and cannon is now from DSC on and every other series is now no longer cannon.
And if it's that way just freaking say so and get it over with.
Otherwise the series seriously needs to flow better into TOS.
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What you want the NON-animated version? fine, but it has even less red:
Ent-D:
Voyager:
Discovery:
Not much difference in the color schemes really. Honestly the TNG one sticks out the most but that's because it has white walls instead of grey.
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The fact that we finally got a DS9-centric season was fantastic, and it was very well-done. It really saddens me to see it cut short just so we can all have TRIBBLE shoved down our throats. I certainly hope the TRIBBLE thing is just a marketing phase, and gets just as short a treatment as the Gamma series.
Maybe the writers at Cryptic can do something palatable with it, and the TRIBBLE stuff won't be terrible in the game. Maybe it will be a skippable story arc. I really hope it goes over well; I'm willing to give it a fair chance, since the decision to put this stuff in the game has already been made, but it's hard to fully express my disappointment.
DSC has to resemble the consistent Star Trek aesthetic seen from TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09. That means lots of blue, lots of black, and lots of grey. It means complex shapes and dim lighting not spotlights and basic cut outs. It means computers with actual layouts and not ridiculous jellybean controls with no displays.
The worst part of Axanar was were they tried to blend the cheap and tacky TOS sore thumb with the Kelvin era tech they'd fit into the rest of the footage. Thank gods DSC is flat out ignoring the cheap, primary coloured, cardboard of TOS in favour of looking like what Star Trek became.
I hope all future Blu-rays Lucasise TOS to rotoscope the actors heads onto new uniforms and sets just for the correnies it'll cause.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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No. TRIBBLE does not have to look like 'TNG/TWoK all the way to ENT and 09' at all. All it has to do, is look like what we, in this day and age, would consider what a future starship, 10 years prior to TOS, is supposed to look like. That 'feel' will change every decade or so.
The Discovery ship looks perfect to me: modern and slick, but not ultra-futuristic, like the Enterprise J, the timeship Daniels took us in, to watch the Battle of Procyon 5.
Or... we could try and be mature about this, and indeed do the "nice friendly comparison", whilst all still agreeing Peters was a total douche. Hate the man, not the show. Naturally, the 'show' was literally only a Prelude, but it looked kick-*ss to me, and I truly feared the Klingons by the end of it, when they brought out their D7. Scam or no, TRIBBLE has never been able to make me feel the same way about *their* pathetic Klingons at all, LOL; not even remotely.
DISCO is made for a general audience not just Trek fans just like TNG at first was for Trek fans but didn't become popular till they switched it up in season 3
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> > Also no offense to who brought up Axanar again, but how is it early on in the thread I brought up a comparison to Axanar and I got so burned felt like I was in the heart of a sun. Now it gets brought up and its a nice friendly comparison. Guess the white knights gave up.
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Exactly.
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And I keep saying....I know...I know....Star Wars is EXEMPT from all that for some reason you guys keep shouting ~eye roll~ Rogue One, a star wars prequel, kept the looks we saw in the original star wars......kept the star destroyers, tie fighters, interiors and all that.
Seems to me Discovery is championing Enterprise, and trying really hard to sweep away TOS into the rubbish been for good. And with "REBOOT MANIA!" running so strong in Hollywood (since...you know...anything original, or continuations seems to be frowned upon), it's only a matter of time, sadly.
Maybe we get to shove Burnham through an airlock.......a girl can dream, can't she?
This might be a shock...some of us LIKE TOS.
DEAL WITH IT.
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We are right back to where we started. We have no idea what was happening during the Klingon War.
From the beginning, we know the Klingons are not keen on taking prisoners or slaves. Their first incursion (the terror raids) they murdered everyone they could find. Eventually, the Vulcans became tired of the Klingon's shenanigans and murdered them in return. The Klingons got sulky and went home (apparently, everyone completely forgot about all this, because the Federation and Starfleet ignore their murderous neighbors until the Battle of the Binary Stars). When the Klingons capture Tyler, they scoop his brains out. When they capture Lorca, they murder everyone else on the shuttle. The only reason they did not kill Lorca is because they needed him to bring Tyler/Voq back to the Federation. When they attack the mining colony (an unarmed civilian settlement) they attempt to bomb it into the dust rather than capture it. Every spaceship battle we see, the Klingons do not demand surrender. They kill without mercy. When Admiral Cornwall goes to parley with the Klingons, they kill her escort, only keeping her alive as she is "valuable". When they attack Earth, they completely obliterate Starbase 1, rather than capture it (I don't know how difficult it is to build starbases in Trek, but this seems like a strategically stupid idea to me). The Klingons appear to only take prisoners who have short term value, and murder everyone else they come across. Kol even murdered T'Kumva's followers after they pledged allegiance to him. I'm not expecting pity or mercy from these Klingons. I'm expecting body counts in the millions.
So yes. The Risans could be in a bad situation as they fit the Klingon definition of "weak". These Klingons murder the weak. They probably see it as doing the Risans a favor. Or purging the Federation of "degenerates" since those Risans "mingle" with other races, and that is "icky".