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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    Oh you're CBS! My apologies. I'll take your word about your own show over random whingeing fanbois any day.

    Thank you for taking the time to talk to me Mr CBS.

    I never claimed to be CBS... I was merely laying out the terms within which I could accept that what Discovery is could actually fit within the prime universe continuity established and more or less adhered to in the shows that came before. And that would be under the precedent of alternate timelines springing into being and then ceasing to have ever existed. Yesterday's Enterprise... Year of Hell... The Visitor... All Good Things... City on the Edge of Forever... Cold Front... There are examples from every Star Trek show of this...

    And if they do decide to go that route with Discovery, I would actually consider it to be pretty damned cool, as it would be the first alternate timeline scenario to be given a full series. And no... the JJ-verse films do not qualify. They take place in an alternate universe, similar to the mirror universe. So anything that happens within it is compartmentalized and independent from the prime universe, though it was an event in the prime universe that opened the gateway to the JJ-verse.

    If Discovery were to be touted as another universe like the JJ-verse or mirrior universe, my opinion of it would be totally different. But they are trying to push it as being part of the prime universe, and what ALL of previously created Star Trek tells me that the only way for that to be so is if it were one big skew in the timeline that ultimately gets reversed. Otherwise its implications must lead to a remake of TOS and TNG with DS9 and VOY altered as well... But as it is, the continuity with Discovery is totally at odds with the continuity of the rest of prime universe trek.

    No. You were telling me that DSC was not a Prime Timeline show for reasons. As the only people who have the right to do that with their own intellectual property are CBS you must be CBS to disagree. You disagreed ergo you're Mr CBS. Again, thank you for taking time from your busy schedule to talk to little old me.​​
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    > > ^ This is assuming that reviews on any of these sites are legit.
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    > > I see no reason for them not to be. Many of them are quite long, detailed, and not what one would expect from say a "Bot" or shill.
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    > > 1-star out of 10
    > > Terrible and insulting at the same time.
    > > 2 May 2018 | by Captain_Blue – See all my reviews
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    > > Damage control has now set in. They are of the misimpression that changing uniform colors and bastardizing the TOS Enterprise is what the fan base want. Are they stupid?
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    > > How can they not realize or understand that the entire concept of a retconn reboot stabs at the very heart of every Trek fan? We tried to tell them so early on and they dismissed it entirely. They think they know better than their target audience.
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    > > Every Trek show which has dealt with prequels and time travel has been fully focused on ensuring painstakingly level of accuracy. TRIBBLE dumps all over that by declaring that their way is the right way.
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    > > TRIBBLE is without a doubt the darkest page in the history of the franchise. I find it offensive to my intelligence. I don't like the characters, I don't like the writing, and I sure as hell hope that humanity doesn't end up like those morons.
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    > > There is literally nothing to inspire me here. It doesn't want to make me a better person, it doesn't give me any incentive to hang on for the future just around the corner, and the cheesy telegraphed speeches.
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    > > Star Trek is all about tackling hard issues without needing to point out the issues in the first place. TRIBBLE has nothing of that. It's just an action series made for sci-fi fans, there is nothing whatsoever cerebral or otherwise intellectual here for Star Trek fans.
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    > > I SO feel the need to quote TV Trope's comments regarding DSC here.
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    > > "• Star Trek: Discovery carries on the proud tradition of ‘Ruined Forever!’. A streaming service-exclusive? Ruined. A Cosmetically Advanced Prequel? Ruined! Klingons with different forehead bumps and a different design aesthetic? So ruined! Harry Mudd? DOUBLE RUINED. TRIBBLES? EXTRA RUINATION FOR ALL ETERNITY.
    > > • The Fan Dumb just gets dumber: with Discovery now a hit, CBS is creating more Star Trek series and the popularity of the franchise in general is exploding. Naturally, this is a sure sign of RUINED FOREVER because, essentially, Star Trek is supposed to belong only to its oldest, sourest gate-keepers and no one else.
    > > • Despite this, these same sour gate-keepers declared that the proof that Discovery would RUIN Trek FOREVER is that no one would watch it. Now, the fact that it's a hit just confirms the ruination."
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    > > That is hyperbole. ST:D is not a "hit" it is on the same level as ST:E. Meaning it has a following, but that following is only a portion of the Star Trek fanbase as a whole. How large or small that portion is remains to be seen over the next few years.
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    > According yo CBS & Netflix Discovery is one of the biggest hits they have ever had. You should really try to stick with facts, because the world doesn't conform to your opinion.

    I know people who watch Discovery who never watched Star Trek before and have since gone back to watch previous series because they actually like discovery
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    However as I'm such a stand out guy, I'll humour your delusions.
    Except it isn't and it doesn't.
    Just because they may SAY it does does nor make it true.

    They own the franchise. They can use whatever terms they want fo it. It is because they say it is and they say it is because they can. It's up to you to bend over backwards to fit that in your own hean in whatever shape you want not CBS' job to cater to your whims.
    It is a completely altered universe

    No it isn't.
    shoehorned into a point between the ENT and TOS.

    There is 100 years between ENT and TOS, no shoehorn is necessary here.
    The only way I will be able to accept that Discovery is an actual part of the prime universe is if its final episode explains that some sinister force caused everything to suddenly be altered, and it continued that way for however many years the show will have run, and that force was ultimately defeated, causing a total reversal of events, resulting in the whole thing having never happened. It would be the year of hell effect on an epic scale.

    And that's your problem. Though thankfully CBS dosn't care if you do that or not. It'll steam on regardless.
    And to explain the Klingons as they look...

    I know. Don't you just hate TMP. Bloody TMP retconning my lovely mongol overlords dressed in curtains.
    What if the sinister force's first move was an ever so slight alteration of the genetic manipulation that Phlox applied to the Klingons making them "humanized?" Instead in increases the Klingon side turning them into what we see them as in Discovery. But that too would be a change that gets undone.

    Nah. That would be bloody stupid and massivly over complicated. The explanation they seem to be going with is that not all Klingons look the same.
    And this whole slipping into some sort of space mushroom induced vertical warp jump BS? The catalyst that makes it possible is a side-effect of the sinister force's incursion into that timeline, So it would have never existed either...

    Nah, that would also be bloody stupid. Best just to wait and see what the actual writers have in mind here.
    My point is, that it is going to take the show runners a whole lot of fancy writing to explain how the Star Trek universe of Discovery actually fits within the prime universe of the shows and films that came before. And I am sorry, but "It just does" will not be acceptable.

    No it won't. It'll take what ever they want and you'll swallow it or choke. How much handholding did you need to get over the Enterprise breaking the 'time warp barrier' in The Cage? Or the Klingons having joined the Federation in early TNG? Or the Trill being able to host jump in TNG. OR the TOS Enterprise managing to reach both the galactic rim and core but the Voyager took seven years and innumerable short cuts back? Did you pitch a gibbering fit then or get over it like a big boy?
    I was merely laying out the terms within which I could accept that what Discovery is could actually fit within the prime universe continuity established and more or less adhered to in the shows that came before.

    Nice neat bullet pointed list please. Give all the 'violations' you've found and lets see if they could A: be corrected for you or B: Shown how they're no greater than any differences between any other show.

    Don't worry about the size of the list. I'm quite good with really long posts. Just try to do better than pretending the Klingons have never changed appearance before.
    And that would be under the precedent of alternate timelines springing into being and then ceasing to have ever existed. Yesterday's Enterprise... Year of Hell... The Visitor... All Good Things... City on the Edge of Forever... Cold Front... There are examples from every Star Trek show of this...

    There is one example of a timeline continuing from a point of divergence. The Kelvin Timeline. All the rest were corrected back to Prime. The same Prime DSC takes place in.
    And if they do decide to go that route with Discovery, I would actually consider it to be pretty damned cool, as it would be the first alternate timeline scenario to be given a full series.

    Thankfully there's no indication they're taking this lazy way out. Thank gods fanbois don't write for major shows. They're all creatively sterile.
    And no... the JJ-verse films do not qualify.

    They called the Kelvin Timeline films. They aren't named after the director of the first two in the same way no other series has been named after any of their directors.
    They take place in an alternate universe, similar to the mirror universe. So anything that happens within it is compartmentalized and independent from the prime universe, though it was an event in the prime universe that opened the gateway to the JJ-verse.

    Incorrect. They take place in the Prime Universe up to the point Nero and Spock emerge from the Prime Timelines 24th century and destroy the Kelvin. From that point they diverge into a sustained alternate timeline that shares the same past as the prime. It's outright stated by Spock in 09 and the plot of BEY relies upon it.
    If Discovery were to be touted as another universe like the JJ-verse or mirrior universe,

    This 'JJ-verse' still exists only inside your head.
    my opinion of it would be totally different.

    Who cares. Your opinion is to rant mindlessly with no regard for DSC being no different to anyother new series.
    But they are trying to push it as being part of the prime universe,

    Incorrect. They say it is it it. They say, you dance. Not the other way around. Don't like it? Go buy Star Trek from them and show them how you want it done.
    and what ALL of previously created Star Trek tells me that the only way for that to be so is if it were one big skew in the timeline that ultimately gets reversed.

    Yeah I remember that episodes of ENT that explained why the NX looks superior to the Conni. Archer did say it was a 'one big skew in the timeline' and certainly not because cardboard and string looks stupid in 4K.
    Otherwise its implications must lead to a remake of TOS and TNG with DS9 and VOY altered as well... But as it is, the continuity with Discovery is totally at odds with the continuity of the rest of prime universe trek.

    That's cute. You think Star Trek has good continuity. Does Vulcan have a moon or not?​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 11,188 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Okay, fine. Assume Disco is indeed the dismal failure you want it to be.

    Explain to me then, please, why the suits at CBS, who are hardly drooling Trek fanboys, have greenlit at least two more Trek series. Why would they throw money at a franchise that's played out? What kind of sense does that make?

    Might need to allow those folk some time to respond to this. Tinfoil hat re-alignment can take time.
    Is the shareholder information public now?
    I was under the impression that CBS was holding those numbers for those who have "need to know" only.
    Most of what I've read on the subject in money magazines and financial rags has indicated that no one has hard data on how good or bad CBS all access is doing, and even less information is available on how ST:D has effected subscriptions right now.
    All we were given (that I am aware of) were the numbers at the premier of ST:D, those numbers are now nearly a year old and completely out of date.
    Is there new data on how many subscribers to CBS all access there are as of July or August of this year?

    Not sure what you are reading, but from the sound of it I would treat it as highly suspect. I don't know whether or not investors can see exact subscriber counts, but I will go out on a limb as I'm fairly certain they can see overall financials.

    People aren't stupid. Portraying CEO's, shareholders, board-members, all the way down the line to producers and director as being utterly stupid and involved in some vast conspiracy to keep pouring money into something that is not financially doing well just does not add up.

    This is not hard to understand at all.

    1. Discovery premiered and CBS All Access subs skyrocketed.

    What did that indicate to CBS? People will pay to watch Star Trek.

    2. Some of those subs were cancelled once the season ended.

    What did CBS do? Plan more Star Trek shows. Why? To keep people subscribing year-round.

    Why are they doing this? Because Discovery made them money.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    No. You were telling me that DSC was not a Prime Timeline show for reasons. As the only people who have the right to do that with their own intellectual property are CBS you must be CBS to disagree. You disagreed ergo you're Mr CBS. Again, thank you for taking time from your busy schedule to talk to little old me.

    The universe of Star Trek as portrayed in Discovery does not fit with the universe of Star Trek as portrayed in all of the other prime universe shows. By that logic it cannot be part of the prime universe unless it proves to be an alternate timeline which must be undone if the rest of the prime universe timeline is to exist as it has thus far. In order for Discovery to be reconciled with the other shows, at its conclusion, either it must be totally undone, or TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY must be totally undone or else redone in Doscovery's image. As it stands, it cannot be part of the same reality that the rest of Star Trek's prime universe exists in. Ergo! Vis a Vis! Concordantly!

    And you've still not mentioned a single one of those ways it dosn't fit for you. Not one. You've vaguely complained about Klingons and the Spore Drive but not a single reason why it dosn't fit in the era it shows. Not one.

    And nothing needs reconciling. Prime Universe or Timeline is a fictional term defined by CBS along the lines of 'any canon shown not related to the Kelvin Timeline films' so where does DSC not fit in there? Why is your made up definition superior to the one that seems to be used by the people who actually make and own Star Trek.

    The only thing that requires reconciliation is your personal view of what the period 10 years prior to TOS should look like. Nothing more, nothing less. DSC requires no alterations at all that the producers don't want to make.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,962 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    That's cute. You think Star Trek has good continuity. Does Vulcan have a moon or not?​​
    Things Spock "forgot" to mention:
    - Ambassador Sarek being his father,
    - His Half-Brother Sybok.
    - His foster sister Burnham
    - Vulcan's Moon

    Man, this guy is really secretive.

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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 11,188 Arc User
    This argument is getting stupid. I have my opinion. Others have theirs. I cannot force anyone else to embrace my opinion, anymore than they can force me to accept theirs. Discovery IS canon. I just have a hard time reconciling it with the rest of Star Trek as it has been portrayed in the movies and shows. But that is me. I do not claim to speak for anyone other than myself in terms of how I perceive the way the overall continuity is being treated, and what I think would have to happen to alter my perception.

    On that note, I will not argue the point any further. Besides... The argument really has nothing to do with STO

    It is understandable, at least to me. Essentially the same crew worked on Star Trek all the way from TNG to Enterprise so there was a consistent look and feel.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    That's cute. You think Star Trek has good continuity. Does Vulcan have a moon or not?
    Things Spock "forgot" to mention:
    - Ambassador Sarek being his father,
    - His Half-Brother Sybok.
    - His foster sister Burnham
    - Vulcan's Moon

    Man, this guy is really secretive.

    I think he also forgot to mention the concept of Pon Farr and the fact he was engaged as well.

    Though he didn't so much forget to mention Vulcans moon, he outright lies about its existence. It's all fine though, to punish him for the lie Nero stuck him on said moon and dissolved Vulcan for him.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,962 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    That's cute. You think Star Trek has good continuity. Does Vulcan have a moon or not?
    Things Spock "forgot" to mention:
    - Ambassador Sarek being his father,
    - His Half-Brother Sybok.
    - His foster sister Burnham
    - Vulcan's Moon

    Man, this guy is really secretive.

    I think he also forgot to mention the concept of Pon Farr and the fact he was engaged as well.

    Though he didn't so much forget to mention Vulcans moon, he outright lies about its existence. It's all fine though, to punish him for the lie Nero stuck him on said moon and dissolved Vulcan for him.​​
    Good additions.

    I thought that moon was Delta Vega, an entirely different planet in a different star system from which you still somehow can observe Vulcan for reasons. (I don't hate the Kelvin Timeline movies, but JJ Abrams is really one of the worst cases of not getting distances in space. He isn't even trying, if it makes a cool scene, it will happen, science, logical or common sense be damned.)

    I remember one of the novels "explained" Spock's lie by saying that Vulcan is in a double planet system, meaning that the "moon" is simply the partner planet.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,950 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    And then there's Burnham. Now she's suddenly the hero? She committed outright mutiny. And even if you can bring yourself to overlook the latter, she personally STARTED the whole war to begin with, cuz she was thinking... why, she wasn't really thinking, was she?!

    Runs in the family. In TOS The Menagerie Spock illegally commandeered the Enterprise and 100% violated Star Fleet General Order 7 (violation of which carried the death penalty) - yet next week, he was back in Starfleet's and Kirk's good graces. ;)

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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2018
    I thought that moon was Delta Vega, an entirely different planet in a different star system from which you still somehow can observe Vulcan for reasons. (I don't hate the Kelvin Timeline movies, but JJ Abrams is really one of the worst cases of not getting distances in space. He isn't even trying, if it makes a cool scene, it will happen, science, logical or common sense be damned.)

    I remember one of the novels "explained" Spock's lie by saying that Vulcan is in a double planet system, meaning that the "moon" is simply the partner planet.

    Well it's not stated in the film where Delta Vega is and the less headache inducing idea is that it's the large body seen in TMP. An elliptical orbit to take it from as close as it is in TMP and TAS to as far as it is in 09 would explain the arctic conditions as well. And also why it's not seen in TNG, TOS, or ENT when Vulcan is visited, those just so happen to be at its furthest point in its orbit around Vulcan.

    Oh, and Spock once lied and said one of his ancestors married a human when he meant his father.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    nope. not interested in JJ anything, and TRIBBLE other than being star trek's VD, is completely flavored by JJtrek, it has no respect for canon. I'll avoid it completely.. think I'll start a Sith on SWTOR

    Adios..SWTOR is abubdant with paywalls buy the greedy EA TRIBBLE house which managed to TRIBBLE off a ton of gamers..I stopped playing that garbage over a year ago..And then disney F'éd up the entier franchise, so yeah..Anyways its your choice..See ya..

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    As for Disco Trek..I'll pass as to much is JJ trek..Also to have another recruit this year will make it 3 which is just plain grind to burn and fill up bank slots..Also dont the FED's have a little to much in terms of content? I am a FED primary but would like to see something for the ROM's and KDF..Its great there is content but damn, it needs variety in the factions..Its only one faction thats getting content while the others are dead or near it..Disco trek well doesnt cut it at any level..
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    rattler2 wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    I just hope the forums don't get burned down by all the Disco hate.

    Well... we survived the Enterprise hate, the Kelvin hate, and the Delta Rising Apocalypse.

    I couldnt stop lauging at this!!! :D:D
    Made my day!!
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    artan42 wrote: »
    I think he also forgot to mention the concept of Pon Farr and the fact he was engaged as well.

    Though he didn't so much forget to mention Vulcans moon, he outright lies about its existence. It's all fine though, to punish him for the lie Nero stuck him on said moon and dissolved Vulcan for him.

    The squalin' chief medical officer is unfamiliar with the first officers' biology...​​
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    Wait a second… Do I get this straight? You refuse to “accept” TRIBBLE as being part of the prime timeline because it does not come in a worse look than when had in 1964’s black and white “The Cage” and because the makeup of the Klingons have been altered? :D

    Tell me, did u also refuse to accept TNG for 7 and DS9 for 5 seasons as prime timeline before it was acknowledged for the first time in the show that the Klingons looked different on TOS? How about Enterprise? I suppose not prime-line as well until final season?

    And come to think of it in The Cage they babbled something about “time warp factor” and finally “broken time barriers” when flying faster than light. We never heard that again… lets better treat the very first holy Roddenberry Pilot of all Star Trek shows as not prime-timeline as well as such stuff was never ever mentioned later on...

    It isn't a question of mere aesthetics. The very portrayal of the universe in which discovery takes place is contrary to the portrayal of the universe that the rest of prime universe takes place.


    A fair statement. So, 'concurrent' is an iffy concept when it comes to Trek universes.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    I think he also forgot to mention the concept of Pon Farr and the fact he was engaged as well.

    Though he didn't so much forget to mention Vulcans moon, he outright lies about its existence. It's all fine though, to punish him for the lie Nero stuck him on said moon and dissolved Vulcan for him.

    The squalin' chief medical officer is unfamiliar with the first officers' biology...

    Well he is a massive racist. I guess he skipped the Vulcan chapters at medical school so he didn't catch any green blooded diseases.​​
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    I think he also forgot to mention the concept of Pon Farr and the fact he was engaged as well.

    Though he didn't so much forget to mention Vulcans moon, he outright lies about its existence. It's all fine though, to punish him for the lie Nero stuck him on said moon and dissolved Vulcan for him.
    The squalin' chief medical officer is unfamiliar with the first officers' biology...​​
    Yeah that was weird. you'd think it would be in the medical database. But no... "privacy"... really?
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,540 Arc User
    Come on people. Delta Vega is no where near just about anything but the Galaxy's edge. They had to limp there on Impulse after coming back through the barrier. It was stated that it was remote enough that the Ore Ships called there only every TWENTY years.

    Spock didn't forget anything, he specifically stated in 'The Man Trap' that Vulcan had no moon. Or was that Vulcanian, according to 'Mudd's Women'. And they were on their voyages under the auspices of UESPA (United Earth Space Probe Agency'.

    I could go on.

    Continuity?

    But thanks to Lt. Riley and Lt. Tormolen we can call on Temporal Shenanigans to fix them.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    ltminns wrote: »
    Come on people. Delta Vega is no where near just about anything but the Galaxy's edge. They had to limp there on Impulse after coming back through the barrier. It was stated that it was remote enough that the Ore Ships called there only every TWENTY years.

    Spock didn't forget anything, he specifically stated in 'The Man Trap' that Vulcan had no moon. Or was that Vulcanian, according to 'Mudd's Women'. And they were on their voyages under the auspices of UESPA (United Earth Space Probe Agency'.

    I could go on.

    Continuity?

    But thanks to Lt. Riley and Lt. Tormolen we can call on Temporal Shenanigans to fix them.

    Yeah but once they retconned their lithium powered starships to the stupid fictional 'dilithium' the jumped the shark and I stopped watching.​​
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 10,932 Arc User
    > @artan42 said:
    > ltminns wrote: »
    >
    > Come on people. Delta Vega is no where near just about anything but the Galaxy's edge. They had to limp there on Impulse after coming back through the barrier. It was stated that it was remote enough that the Ore Ships called there only every TWENTY years.
    >
    > Spock didn't forget anything, he specifically stated in 'The Man Trap' that Vulcan had no moon. Or was that Vulcanian, according to 'Mudd's Women'. And they were on their voyages under the auspices of UESPA (United Earth Space Probe Agency'.
    >
    > I could go on.
    >
    > Continuity?
    >
    > But thanks to Lt. Riley and Lt. Tormolen we can call on Temporal Shenanigans to fix them.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Yeah but once they retconned their lithium powered starships to the stupid fictional 'dilithium' the jumped the shark and I stopped watching.​​

    Ah, but didn't you see they were lyimg when they said dilithium? A navy ship runs on gas turbines, duh.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,540 Arc User
    Kar'fi ships on coal. :)
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,908 Arc User
    There was a gag-reel scene from TOS where the script mentioned something about the ship running out of fuel, so they cut to a shot of Scotty shoveling coal into the engines.

    On the other hand, if the Kar'fi burns coal, that would explain its nasty-looking exhaust...
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,033 Arc User
    dilithium is not fictional; it may not be a crystalline substance, but it isn't fictional​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    dilithium is not fictional; it may not be a crystalline substance, but it isn't fictional​​

    Dilithium in a ST context is a fictional element.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    dilithium is not fictional; it may not be a crystalline substance, but it isn't fictional​​
    Dilithium in a ST context is a fictional element.
    Yeah it's said to be heavier than any element that's stable in the real world.
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