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What Do You Think? Scylla and Charybdis
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Maps were great, love the Tzenkathi interior.
+1 Odo!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=740Eo5J7S7g
though really cryptic why when face with said enemy is a klingon warrior given only two choices confusion or asking for recommendations, you really couldn't keep your fed baised writing in check for one mission. quite frankly you all should be ashamed of yourselves for that. out of professionalism if nothings else. otherwise it was quite fun.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Do think that the Dominion knows about this enemy if the changelings maybe were around for long time and chances are they are facing them as well in the Gamma Quadrant.
Odo was a surprise. Never expected him and wonder if the DS9 actor is doing the voice.
As for DS9, if there is some rumor of it getting revamped this was the chance to do it. Just like what happened to ESD.
People that guessed the new threat could be the Hur'q were right. Finally we'll learn a bit about them, then.
I think the Tzenkethi are a bit dumb that they didn't just tell us. They could have even kept shooting their doomsday guns while they'd do it.
And we're clearly bad at diplomacy if we can't get them to even tell us that.
My character Tsin'xing
How do you open diplomatic negotiations with a species that doesn't want to talk and is committing genocide with WMDs? They were literally "Get out of our way or die".
I thought it was obvious from Quinn's debriefing in I-don't-know-which mission and what the Tzenkethi admiral said that the Alliance tried to negotiate and the Tzenkethi governement basically flipped them the Great Bird of the Galaxy as a answer because it didn't deem the Alliance trustworthy/strong enough.
As for opinions, I think it started quite weak and felt rushed (hey, we capture ONE admiral and it's apparently enough to thwart all the Tzenkethi efforts in the galaxy or at least seriously impede their progress). 2 big cool reveals though. Also, it was nice seeing Neth Parr in action again. I want her as a Boff!
Also the difficulty was quite out-of-sync compared to how the plot was evolving:
-player mows down Tzenkethi forces and shoots down all torpedoes before they even enter DS9's targeting range. DS9 promptly says they took a heavy beating.
-player utterly trashes weak Hur'q forces without damage to DS9. DS9 suffers the fate of ESD in Surface Tension.
-player gets swarmed by tiny weak swarmers yet still survives without much issues. All other allies manage to die a horrible scripted fate.
What I see is no or few enemy on the screen as they are all dead but the allies are all talking about warp core breaches, terrible damage and often blowing up on full health with no enemy around. Its a massive disconnect that ruins the mission.
Also as a carrier ship based around pets it’s a really frustrating mission one of the worst in game. You have to constantly respawn your pets and they constantly lose all ranks. Its that bad I do not want to play carriers any more in this mission. It was horrible.
EDIT: What's worse is that station was retrofitted for war full of weapons and defense. It should have been able to hold its own without any of the fleets yet alone 3 fleets backing it up. It doesn't make sense how such a tiny weak force can cause so much damage.
Look forward to the next one.
As for the mission: maps were great, as usual, the Tzen ship was nice, the "Transporter" especially, the damaged DS9 looked awesome.
But yeah, for me that was about it. The first three space maps seemed a bit like "STO by numbers revisited". Battle for Bajor was okay-ish but with a certain lack of real battle athmosphere. Ground combat was nice but nothing too special, both captain and admiral went down way too quickly. And then the Hur'q - they did less damage than the swarmers in this one asteroid map (okay, we had a shuttle there), yet, as others said, people keep exploding left and right. Even after the battle is over.
It wasn't a bad episode as such, but neither was it a particularily good one IMO, and I was expecting something more after I was very happy with the last couple of episodes.
The umpteen zone changes also still drop off buffs like cruiser commands, cryptic really need to have this stuff carry over during a mission if they're going to have toggle abilities in the game.
Got better after the location became more fixed.
A lot of the chat seemed late with kuumarke offering to take care of torps I'd already destroyed each time we hit a new map or the alliance ships deciding to go boom with nothing left to endanger them.
Station sequence was a tad short but nice atmosphere although the first console to fiddle with had a flashing yellow glow that could do with an epilepsy warning.
Ramped up nicely at the end although the dominion leaders voice line sounded really bad like it had been copied off an old vhs tape, guessing that contracts not been nailed down yet. Shame that their arrival was one of those hated things in games, a midcombat cutscene.
Swarmers just seemed infatuated on sniffing the backside of my ship. Is this an anti cannon escort mechanic of some sort because in a cruiser with beams it just felt daft. Maybe if they rammed you, backed off and repeated it might make sense but as is looks bit silly.
The stations seemed like a rehash of the mirror invasion station based STF, just closer.
Another observation was that you had to actually be scraping the hull of the enemy station to be in range for pbaoe abilities like charged particle burst
They'd have to know about the Klingon history with the Hur'q for that. Which they probably don't, considering Hur'q is a Klingon word and probably not the name the Tzenkethi use.
Might be because my f2p captain is a tad shorter than the lifer I played through it on but the railings around the mass effect map in the final station fight blocked line of sight for me yet the tzenkethi could shoot me through them.
Yea... I believe the Tzenkethi called them Drantzuli.
I don't know who does the writing for these missions, but this mission evoked allot of emotions - excitement, apprehension, surprise and finally a desire to jump out of my seat and give a whoop and shout out for the good guys. Great story telling and awesome job of pulling us into it. 2 thumbs up!
I think the issue you guys both faced with the difficulty is a result of your DPS simply being too much for what the map was designed for. Every mission is designed for players that have an adequate DPS in order to complete them. Not everyone in the game needs to have high DPS for the average story mission.
As for your particular comments @colonelmarik, the reason why we still don't have exploration in the game yet is because they're still in the process of coming up with something worthwhile. It's not exactly something that they can just add into the game, not if we want to be happy with it. Big systems take time to come out.
Engineering and Science officers do have a purpose in this game. Engineering officers in space are supposed to be more for support on the battlefield, healing ship hull. Science on the other hand is supposed to be a space wizard, casting powers like gravity wells (though not against the tzenkethi) and applying debuffs in order to make the Tactical player's job easier to deal damage. At least, that's how I would see it. Not everyone playing the game is going to be tactical officers.
With barely any upgraded weapons either as I prefer to use my dil elsewhere. Granted they were in a vonph but the ship is just a platform for the gear you use.
As the combat wasn't too bad I might do some more runs over the weekend with others, only one of whom is a tac as I found them to be pretty dull when I made the character back at launch.