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What Do You Think? Scylla and Charybdis

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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,164 Arc User
    Spoilers
    Really? The Tzenkathi couldn't have just told us this at the start? Now we're going to have another invasion from a race that's been dormant for X years? Let me guess ... T'Ket found the Hur'q, and will use them as revenge for the loss of M'Tara? or L'Miren ending the Iconian War?

    Maps were great, love the Tzenkathi interior. :)

    +1 Odo!
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    facing the klingon anicent blood enemy there really is only one reaction

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=740Eo5J7S7g

    though really cryptic why when face with said enemy is a klingon warrior given only two choices confusion or asking for recommendations, you really couldn't keep your fed baised writing in check for one mission. quite frankly you all should be ashamed of yourselves for that. out of professionalism if nothings else. otherwise it was quite fun.

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  • taalisman1taalisman1 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    I really loved the episode, first time i played it solo the 2nd time with a fleet member and will play this one many more times. The episode has a good build up, also the pace is good and i love the ending. You can see much work and effort has been put into this.
  • megawolf0megawolf0 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    Was fun and think though the Hur'q swarmer's were easy to handle feels like there is more to it and were used just to test out who is inhabiting the galaxy now.

    Do think that the Dominion knows about this enemy if the changelings maybe were around for long time and chances are they are facing them as well in the Gamma Quadrant.

    Odo was a surprise. Never expected him and wonder if the DS9 actor is doing the voice.

    As for DS9, if there is some rumor of it getting revamped this was the chance to do it. Just like what happened to ESD.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    The tiny bit from Odo, I figure that was just a recording from DS9, not new voice work, was it?

    People that guessed the new threat could be the Hur'q were right. Finally we'll learn a bit about them, then.

    I think the Tzenkethi are a bit dumb that they didn't just tell us. They could have even kept shooting their doomsday guns while they'd do it.

    And we're clearly bad at diplomacy if we can't get them to even tell us that.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    I think the Tzenkethi are a bit dumb that they didn't just tell us. They could have even kept shooting their doomsday guns while they'd do it.

    And we're clearly bad at diplomacy if we can't get them to even tell us that.
    Are we? Or is it that they're obnoxious jerks who don't want to talk?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Well, apart from the fact of the usual failure of Federation diplomacy that was the premise of all this (hey, geniuses, before you send Starfleet, how about you TALK to the Tzenkethi and ask what this is all about?)...

    How do you open diplomatic negotiations with a species that doesn't want to talk and is committing genocide with WMDs? They were literally "Get out of our way or die".
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • megawolf0megawolf0 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    Yea. One thing about diplomacy is that not everyone will open the door and would rather blast you with the nearest gun through the door.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    Message eaten by forums again. Thanks copy-paste:
    I thought it was obvious from Quinn's debriefing in I-don't-know-which mission and what the Tzenkethi admiral said that the Alliance tried to negotiate and the Tzenkethi governement basically flipped them the Great Bird of the Galaxy as a answer because it didn't deem the Alliance trustworthy/strong enough.


    As for opinions, I think it started quite weak and felt rushed (hey, we capture ONE admiral and it's apparently enough to thwart all the Tzenkethi efforts in the galaxy or at least seriously impede their progress). 2 big cool reveals though. Also, it was nice seeing Neth Parr in action again. I want her as a Boff!

    Also the difficulty was quite out-of-sync compared to how the plot was evolving:
    -player mows down Tzenkethi forces and shoots down all torpedoes before they even enter DS9's targeting range. DS9 promptly says they took a heavy beating.
    -player utterly trashes weak Hur'q forces without damage to DS9. DS9 suffers the fate of ESD in Surface Tension.
    -player gets swarmed by tiny weak swarmers yet still survives without much issues. All other allies manage to die a horrible scripted fate.
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  • cryshalsingcryshalsing Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    Love to be able to tell you, but after a 2 hour patch download, I was on ten minutes before I was kicked for 'Shard Maintenance'. Really?
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,253 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    Another badly thought out and terribly scripted mission. So you kill all the enemy in seconds, they are clearly no threat but scripts cause all your friends to blow up. I don’t want to post spoilers but when the big station friend blows up there was 1 tiny spawn ship miles away. It makes no sense.

    What I see is no or few enemy on the screen as they are all dead but the allies are all talking about warp core breaches, terrible damage and often blowing up on full health with no enemy around. Its a massive disconnect that ruins the mission.

    Also as a carrier ship based around pets it’s a really frustrating mission one of the worst in game. You have to constantly respawn your pets and they constantly lose all ranks. Its that bad I do not want to play carriers any more in this mission. It was horrible.

    EDIT: What's worse is that station was retrofitted for war full of weapons and defense. It should have been able to hold its own without any of the fleets yet alone 3 fleets backing it up. It doesn't make sense how such a tiny weak force can cause so much damage.
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    There's times when reading this forum that I can't help but wonder if Gameplay and Story Segregation is a dead concept only I know about...
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,253 Arc User
    tyler002 wrote: »
    There's times when reading this forum that I can't help but wonder if Gameplay and Story Segregation is a dead concept only I know about...
    The problem is worse then that. Its not just that we have massive logical inconsistencies between what is conveyed through the gameplay and what is conveyed through the story. This mission also has massive logical inconsistencies in the story from the current story without even looking at the gameplay.
  • cryshalsingcryshalsing Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    Okay, ran it. It's fun. Talk about Target rich environments...

    Look forward to the next one.
  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,120 Arc User
    I don't think more enemies are needed, quite enough of them flying around already. People without decent AoE will probably play a while... While about diplomacy: if you care to inquire with Admiral Whoopy-Doopy-Yoopy (sorry, forgot the name) he will flat out state that they don't trust alliance members for various reasons to listen to them. You may call it a cheap cop out, but it is addressed.

    As for the mission: maps were great, as usual, the Tzen ship was nice, the "Transporter" especially, the damaged DS9 looked awesome.

    But yeah, for me that was about it. The first three space maps seemed a bit like "STO by numbers revisited". Battle for Bajor was okay-ish but with a certain lack of real battle athmosphere. Ground combat was nice but nothing too special, both captain and admiral went down way too quickly. And then the Hur'q - they did less damage than the swarmers in this one asteroid map (okay, we had a shuttle there), yet, as others said, people keep exploding left and right. Even after the battle is over.

    It wasn't a bad episode as such, but neither was it a particularily good one IMO, and I was expecting something more after I was very happy with the last couple of episodes.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    Went in with a carrier and first thought was oh great it's another warp here warp here warp here FU carrier users we love that long spawn timer. Felt like a lesser version of the dyson/undine arc conclusion.

    The umpteen zone changes also still drop off buffs like cruiser commands, cryptic really need to have this stuff carry over during a mission if they're going to have toggle abilities in the game.

    Got better after the location became more fixed.

    A lot of the chat seemed late with kuumarke offering to take care of torps I'd already destroyed each time we hit a new map or the alliance ships deciding to go boom with nothing left to endanger them.

    Station sequence was a tad short but nice atmosphere although the first console to fiddle with had a flashing yellow glow that could do with an epilepsy warning.

    Ramped up nicely at the end although the dominion leaders voice line sounded really bad like it had been copied off an old vhs tape, guessing that contracts not been nailed down yet. Shame that their arrival was one of those hated things in games, a midcombat cutscene.

    Swarmers just seemed infatuated on sniffing the backside of my ship. Is this an anti cannon escort mechanic of some sort because in a cruiser with beams it just felt daft. Maybe if they rammed you, backed off and repeated it might make sense but as is looks bit silly.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    Played through on my f2p and it occured to me that if the tzenkethi took a moment to extract their heads from their posteriors they'd have realised that they could have got the KDF to help with the simple phrase, "the hurq", and in doing so they'd have also got the rest of the alliance to join in.

    The stations seemed like a rehash of the mirror invasion station based STF, just closer.

    Another observation was that you had to actually be scraping the hull of the enemy station to be in range for pbaoe abilities like charged particle burst
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    Played through on my f2p and it occured to me that if the tzenkethi took a moment to extract their heads from their posteriors they'd have realised that they could have got the KDF to help with the simple phrase, "the hurq", and in doing so they'd have also got the rest of the alliance to join in.

    They'd have to know about the Klingon history with the Hur'q for that. Which they probably don't, considering Hur'q is a Klingon word and probably not the name the Tzenkethi use.
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  • orangenee#2931 orangenee Member Posts: 837 Arc User
    It was enjoyable enough. I still like Brushfire better though. I agree with some of the criticisms above. The super special surprise at the end was nice but reeked of the "To be continued" meme, in fact you should have had that in there.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,507 Arc User
    Was a nice blast-fest, and a few good environments. Pacing was okay and VO was okay. DS9 is tougher than the game portrayed though, however, nice excuse for the hopeful 'refit'. Intrigued by what Odo needs to talk about, but felt this should've been added to the end of the mission.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    Was Loriss maybe a wee bit obvious with her victory is life announcement given thats the name tagged onto the expansion?

    Might be because my f2p captain is a tad shorter than the lifer I played through it on but the railings around the mass effect map in the final station fight blocked line of sight for me yet the tzenkethi could shoot me through them.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    tyler002 wrote: »
    They'd have to know about the Klingon history with the Hur'q for that. Which they probably don't, considering Hur'q is a Klingon word and probably not the name the Tzenkethi use.

    Yea... I believe the Tzenkethi called them Drantzuli.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • roczahroczah Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    I loved it,

    I don't know who does the writing for these missions, but this mission evoked allot of emotions - excitement, apprehension, surprise and finally a desire to jump out of my seat and give a whoop and shout out for the good guys. Great story telling and awesome job of pulling us into it. 2 thumbs up!
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    Message eaten by forums again. Thanks copy-paste:
    I thought it was obvious from Quinn's debriefing in I-don't-know-which mission and what the Tzenkethi admiral said that the Alliance tried to negotiate and the Tzenkethi governement basically flipped them the Great Bird of the Galaxy as a answer because it didn't deem the Alliance trustworthy/strong enough.


    As for opinions, I think it started quite weak and felt rushed (hey, we capture ONE admiral and it's apparently enough to thwart all the Tzenkethi efforts in the galaxy or at least seriously impede their progress). 2 big cool reveals though. Also, it was nice seeing Neth Parr in action again. I want her as a Boff!

    Also the difficulty was quite out-of-sync compared to how the plot was evolving:
    -player mows down Tzenkethi forces and shoots down all torpedoes before they even enter DS9's targeting range. DS9 promptly says they took a heavy beating.
    -player utterly trashes weak Hur'q forces without damage to DS9. DS9 suffers the fate of ESD in Surface Tension.
    -player gets swarmed by tiny weak swarmers yet still survives without much issues. All other allies manage to die a horrible scripted fate.
    Posted this elsewhere, but it probably should have gone here...

    So... I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get excited about. I found the entire thing underwhelming, from start to finish.

    First, we have a space battle. After that, we have a space battle. Then, to mix things up, we have a space battle. We get called back to DS9, finally, where we have a space battle. Then an enemy starbase warps in (/facepalm... bases are STATIONARY), and we have a space battle. Finally, we get the Hur'q, and have a space battle.

    Am I supposed to be excited by the new enemy? I mean, they're just like every other enemy in the game, a bunch of hit points to shoot and be shot by, with no personality at all (yet, to be fair).

    At least the voice acting was good this time out.

    I would be far more interested in seeing some new game systems. How about exploration? How about some kind of reason for SCIENCE and ENGINEERING officers? I mean, combat is the purview of the Tactical officers. Science officers should be doing research, and Engineers should be building things... but we get none of that. Just more shoot-em-ups.

    Yawn.

    I think the issue you guys both faced with the difficulty is a result of your DPS simply being too much for what the map was designed for. Every mission is designed for players that have an adequate DPS in order to complete them. Not everyone in the game needs to have high DPS for the average story mission.

    As for your particular comments @colonelmarik, the reason why we still don't have exploration in the game yet is because they're still in the process of coming up with something worthwhile. It's not exactly something that they can just add into the game, not if we want to be happy with it. Big systems take time to come out.

    Engineering and Science officers do have a purpose in this game. Engineering officers in space are supposed to be more for support on the battlefield, healing ship hull. Science on the other hand is supposed to be a space wizard, casting powers like gravity wells (though not against the tzenkethi) and applying debuffs in order to make the Tactical player's job easier to deal damage. At least, that's how I would see it. Not everyone playing the game is going to be tactical officers.

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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    MY LTS character I ran it on is an engineer and I'm neither a dps chaser nor someone that follows a meta or build guide (I've only found escorts to be close to fun on console and never liked cannons as a weapons choice) yet I was hitting the thing with npc's announcing their death after everything hostile had died.

    With barely any upgraded weapons either as I prefer to use my dil elsewhere. Granted they were in a vonph but the ship is just a platform for the gear you use.

    As the combat wasn't too bad I might do some more runs over the weekend with others, only one of whom is a tac as I found them to be pretty dull when I made the character back at launch.
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