Does what you just wrote look as whiny to you as it does to damn near every human on the planet? You're complaining about the scale of you disposable income while sinking time into a game and chatting on the internet. As a case for "oh, I endure such HARDSHIP" it's just not that compelling. I'm sure there are plenty of other luxury items you've stood with your face pressed to the glass at the showroom wishing you could have. Go see if you can harangue them into dropping the price because 'I wants it'.
I'd be sympathetic and pleasantly concerned if we were talking about someone going hungry. Some gamer bitching they can't afford a toy? NOT INTHE SAME CATEGORY to me. So If I'm 'insensitive', maybe it's because I save my sensitivity for things that matter.
I cannot begin to even fathom your line of logic here, it is baffling.
Mostly because it has little to do with my initial premise of pointing out how the ship market for STO is grossly overinflated and could potentially be countered through certain and specific means if enough of the playerbase put their mind to it, because as of now the ship market is essentially cornered by a smaller number of players that potentially have far more IRL disposable assets to invest in the game and thus dictate the availability of rare ships easier.
And then you come out of nowhere by saying, essentially, "oh if you don't spend a vast amount of money right now then you clearly don't want it that much", like.
Dude, what.
And then you say I'm whiny? And attempt to correlate to my behavior IRL from a post on the Internet about a game?
That is some reach right there, dude.
But whatever, man, you do you. You clearly can afford to spend $200 on a single thing in the game, so you are I guess doing well enough for yourself. Mazels.
Me? I'm taking a step back here, as I've said my piece and am done with this.
Everyone wants to buy it for roughly 1.2 billion... but everyone else wants to sell it for far more. lol
The chat is flooded with WTB and WTS posts but nobody talks to each other. It's like all the buyers are ignored.
These guys, who I refer to as the comic book guys (based on the character from The Simpons) keep playing hot potato with these packs, and sell them between themselves and keep upping the price, and making an artificial cost spike.....'slitting the throat' as I call it. Been done during the last RD promo with the T6 tos ships.
Like, the only way to fight that kind of small but controlling circle of players is to basically overwhelm the market with rare ships at far lower prices, thereby "devaluing" them. Or by simply trading ships with each other on a want-to-want basis, despite any perceived value.
Like, these ships are selling for millions, if not billions, of EC, and hundreds of keys.
(and may I point out that EC in and of itself is a relatively useless currency, as one can get plenty of EC for the few things in-game that require it, so shoring up millions or even billions of EC has always seemed baffling to me, other than you HAVE to in order to compete with artificially inflated markets)
Keys themselves have a real-world value at least, so it's easy to gauge how much that can translate.
So basically, if you're selling two hundred keys, you are practically shelling out $200 for a single ship.
And look, honestly? Are those ships really worth that much?
The obvious answer is NO THEY ARE NOT, but again, due to the concerted efforts of a relatively small group of wealthy and controlling players, it is very difficult to argue with an artificially inflated market.
When a basic T6 ship from the store is, what, $30 or so, you have a basis for comparison as to how much rare lockbox and promo ships should be more realistically priced, as far as translating their cost into either EC or traded keys is concerned.
Honestly, a far more fair trade for such things would be $50 (or fifty keys) for an ultra rare lockbox ship, and maybe $80 for a promo ship. That's... that's it, guys. You shouldn't be shelling out more than a hundred, or even two or three hundred, for any one single ship in this game.
And honestly, HONESTLY? You can even just.... take a leap of good faith here and just kinda start trading one rare ship for another, if you find another player who's amicable and meets your needs.
Like, I flat out traded an NX-Refit, which I had little interest in but could easily acquire, for an Atlas class, which another player had little love for but absolutely wanted my NX over. And I pulled the trade off within like two or three days of that lockbox going live, when literally everyone who claimed to be "in the know" when it came to market mechanics told me it'd never happen and I was insane to try.
It can really just be THAT simple, if everyone is just willing to work with each other here.
If those aforementioned "comic book guys" wanna keep trading these ships with each other using sums that most regular players will never be able to acquire, freaking let them.
Everyone else can just ignore them and make far more realistic deals with each other, and then that way, everyone at least has a far better shot of getting cool ships.
Exactly. Problem with the world is no one helps each other, apart from the "what's in it for ME?! dog-eat-dog mentality. I always go to help a player out and craft em some stuff they need, their smile is the reward there.
Heck, I'll be happy to help someone trade or swap or get ships and stuff. Maybe we can help each other out, Sorcerer?
Nothing has been said about it but I'm pretty sure what the answer is. Do any of these ships have new bridges?
No, at least for the Ent-J version which uses the Universe Bridge of the 31st cent temporal ships. Visited it from someone with the ship and was warned I wouldn't like what I would see. Very disappointing.
Of course Breach had to be offline. I was hoping to see the J Enterprise in action in those tight corridors.
All the ships are artificially inflated to handle well in The Breach right now. I have Pig-Dog ships that handle so poorly in regular gameplay but in The Breach, they behave just like any nimble ship.
If I full impulse around in an instance, these Pig-Dog ships take half the map to make a 90 degree turn. In The Breach, they make sharp turns.
The ship seems to be going for over 1.5 billion now. Some people are even asking for a flat out 300+ keys.
Some people are asking for more than 1.5 billion EC credits.
They'd be jumping out of a 50th story window, cutting their own throats on the way down, if they only got 1-1.5 billion.....swearing and cussing as they do so.
Of course Breach had to be offline. I was hoping to see the J Enterprise in action in those tight corridors.
That is why it is offline, a team of 5 Ent-Js went through it and just beat it all to hell. Repair crew was dispatched to patch up the breaches in The Breach.
I opened 20 Promotional R&D Packs quickly and after I opened them I noticed one had an Icon facing in the opposite direction. Sure enough was one the Promotion Ship Pack. I put it in the Account Bank with the T6 Constitution/Annorax/whatever. Sold the R&D Packs.
When you get the Promotion R&D Packs they stack. When you open them, those R&D Packs don't stack. When you get those C-Store R&D Packs as a prize from a Lockbox, those stack. Coding Bug?
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'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I just bought 3 of the 20% off 4-pack bundles (using zeni bought during a zeni sale) so I'm out about $20 and guess what? I finally broke my streak and didn't effortlessly get a prize. Oh noes! No 'that's no solar eclipse, its a parrot!" ship for me. Maybe I could trade my T6 TOS pack for one. If I decide I do want it that badly. Still thinking 'sell it and pick up the Tal'Shiar Adapted T6s' is how that's going to play out, though.
...I did get the 120 lobi I was after and my main crafter's got a pile of catalysts again. With the lobi sale going I might pick up another space gear set or burn a little more of that stored zeni and snag an Ornash battle cruiser for 720.
I think I'm supposed to make a thread about how I'm so distraught I didn't win, but I can't be bothered .
dunno how accurate this is, but seems at least probable...
assuming its not all one huge april fools troll.... notice the release date
and people thought simitard spawnball problems were bad... this makes a t'laru look dainty
That KT ship is nowhere near the size of the Universe class (Doug Drexler designer calls it that) Enterprise J by Doug Drexlers own words qouted on Star Trek Wiki it's 2 miles long.
The Breach was probably shut down because the Enterprise-J got stuck inside. LOL
And I know what the Developer said.
Maybe some behind-the-scenes tweaks went awry.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Rare? Yes. But is this something that is actually going to be in demand? I wonder.
- The prevailing opinion of most is that these ships are ugly. Only one is a hero ship (albeit in one episode? Two?), and not one any sizable group ever cared about.
- They turn like bricks, a quality universally disliked.
- Essentially big, ugly, T6 carriers with some extra weapons, and a lance you'll almost never be able to aim except in PVE, where it isn't even needed.
They'll be expensive on "Day One", I'm sure, but will anyone ultimately care long-term though? Unlike the other R&D promos, these ships aren't meta-changing like the Annorax, or much demanded, like the TOS ships.
It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out. Probably like the Voth Bulwark: a useless status symbol coveted for no reason other than rarity.
So long as I can get the J, without having to deal with the scaplers, I'll be happy.
You're either a gambler, a scalper, or a customer of a scalper. Pick which one you are.
I'm the guy with the cool ship you don't own?
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The ship seems to be going for over 1.5 billion now. Some people are even asking for a flat out 300+ keys.
Some people are asking for more than 1.5 billion EC credits.
They'd be jumping out of a 50th story window, cutting their own throats on the way down, if they only got 1-1.5 billion.....swearing and cussing as they do so.
with me video taping the whole thing
People are being greedy when they are asking 1.5 billion+ for a butt ugly ship. You can sell the Enterprise-J for 900 million and still make a profit.
Does what you just wrote look as whiny to you as it does to damn near every human on the planet? You're complaining about the scale of you disposable income while sinking time into a game and chatting on the internet. As a case for "oh, I endure such HARDSHIP" it's just not that compelling. I'm sure there are plenty of other luxury items you've stood with your face pressed to the glass at the showroom wishing you could have. Go see if you can harangue them into dropping the price because 'I wants it'.
I'd be sympathetic and pleasantly concerned if we were talking about someone going hungry. Some gamer bitching they can't afford a toy? NOT INTHE SAME CATEGORY to me. So If I'm 'insensitive', maybe it's because I save my sensitivity for things that matter.
I cannot begin to even fathom your line of logic here, it is baffling.
Do you see those dreadnoughts out there, being flown by players?
If the answer is yes, then whatever the prize is that people ask for the ship, it is a prize that has a market! People are willing to spend that money.
So the number might seem "inflated" to you, but they are not complete made up numbers - they have a strong basis in reality, there are people that buy at that price!
If you think it's not worth it, that's a subjective determination. Only you can decide what an item is worth to you. But there are more people in the world then you, and if some have the opinion it's worth it to them, then that will be a prize people are going to pay. And if the prizes are not dropping, that means there are still plenty of those people paying for the ship.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Nothing has been said about it but I'm pretty sure what the answer is. Do any of these ships have new bridges?
No, at least for the Ent-J version which uses the Universe Bridge of the 31st cent temporal ships. Visited it from someone with the ship and was warned I wouldn't like what I would see. Very disappointing.
That's odd, I could have sworn the promo video showed a unique bridge. It looked massive, and my mouth dropped open. But maybe I was seeing the Klingon one...
Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
-Captain James T. Kirk
Does what you just wrote look as whiny to you as it does to damn near every human on the planet? You're complaining about the scale of you disposable income while sinking time into a game and chatting on the internet. As a case for "oh, I endure such HARDSHIP" it's just not that compelling. I'm sure there are plenty of other luxury items you've stood with your face pressed to the glass at the showroom wishing you could have. Go see if you can harangue them into dropping the price because 'I wants it'.
I'd be sympathetic and pleasantly concerned if we were talking about someone going hungry. Some gamer bitching they can't afford a toy? NOT INTHE SAME CATEGORY to me. So If I'm 'insensitive', maybe it's because I save my sensitivity for things that matter.
I cannot begin to even fathom your line of logic here, it is baffling.
Do you see those dreadnoughts out there, being flown by players?
If the answer is yes, then whatever the prize is that people ask for the ship, it is a prize that has a market! People are willing to spend that money.
So the number might seem "inflated" to you, but they are not complete made up numbers - they have a strong basis in reality, there are people that buy at that price!
If you think it's not worth it, that's a subjective determination. Only you can decide what an item is worth to you. But there are more people in the world then you, and if some have the opinion it's worth it to them, then that will be a prize people are going to pay. And if the prizes are not dropping, that means there are still plenty of those people paying for the ship.
Pretty much, someone out there is willing to pay for it, within reason of course even for the well off out there.
Rare? Yes. But is this something that is actually going to be in demand? I wonder.
- The prevailing opinion of most is that these ships are ugly. Only one is a hero ship (albeit in one episode? Two?), and not one any sizable group ever cared about.
- They turn like bricks, a quality universally disliked.
- Essentially big, ugly, T6 carriers with some extra weapons, and a lance you'll almost never be able to aim except in PVE, where it isn't even needed.
They'll be expensive on "Day One", I'm sure, but will anyone ultimately care long-term though? Unlike the other R&D promos, these ships aren't meta-changing like the Annorax, or much demanded, like the TOS ships.
It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out. Probably like the Voth Bulwark: a useless status symbol coveted for no reason other than rarity.
So long as I can get the J, without having to deal with the scaplers, I'll be happy.
You're either a gambler, a scalper, or a customer of a scalper. Pick which one you are.
I'm the guy with the cool ship you don't own?
Mustrum "Well, not yet, perhaps, one day, not sure... I got a TOS Connie, though" Ridcully
Both I and the person I was responding to own T6 TOS Connies. I hope you don't fail at life as badly as you just failed at being a smartass.
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am."
The ship seems to be going for over 1.5 billion now. Some people are even asking for a flat out 300+ keys.
Some people are asking for more than 1.5 billion EC credits.
They'd be jumping out of a 50th story window, cutting their own throats on the way down, if they only got 1-1.5 billion.....swearing and cussing as they do so.
with me video taping the whole thing
People are being greedy when they are asking 1.5 billion+ for a butt ugly ship. You can sell the Enterprise-J for 900 million and still make a profit.
Hence why I call them "Comic Book Guy Wanabes"
Greedy little buggers who profit over others' misery....I outta make a Rockefeller approved rubber stamp or something for their foreheads.
and the romulan one, in addition to looking like the republic emblem, also looks like a flying saucer with a chunk taken out of it when seen from above
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
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People are being greedy when they are asking 1.5 billion+ for a butt ugly ship. You can sell the Enterprise-J for 900 million and still make a profit.
False. At a going rate of ~16M per pack, with the typical number of packs required being in the hundreds, people, in fact, will generally lose money even at 1.5B.
then whomever gets one from a single box, I'll be gladly giving them roughly 20 mill.
RNG = the widening gap between haves and have nots in STO.
People are being greedy when they are asking 1.5 billion+ for a butt ugly ship. You can sell the Enterprise-J for 900 million and still make a profit.
False. At a going rate of ~16M per pack, with the typical number of packs required being in the hundreds, people, in fact, will generally lose money even at 1.5B.
I was talking about energy credits not real money though. Lockboxes were never designed so people can make a quick buck off them.
Wow so every promo I open 2-3 of the packs to try my luck, get a bit of lobi.
I bought 2 packs and won the ship on the second won! I am a winner!
Good for you! You are one of the lucky ones who won on round two. Some people will have to buy hundreds of boxes before they got their Enterprise-J Ship.
People who don't know anything about the space economy usually have strange ideas about prices and stuff.
It all makes sense though once you learn about it.
Unfortunately people who are ignorant about it sometimes get upset about it, so there is needless suffering.
One more example of why education is the silver bullet.
Then there's crazy people...
Do you know what crazy? Spending hundreds of REAL DOLLARS of getting a virtual ship they may never have. I will never understand people who waste thousands of dollars on lockboxes. People can actually get themselves a brand new car with the amount of money their spending on lockboxes.
I was online for 3 hours after the patch yesterday and within that timeframe witnessed more winner announcement of the current promo than I seem to have witness for the 23c promo for it’s entire duration. Not that I mind it, the more peeps to open those packs the better for everybody.
Are those 26c ships really that popular or did cryptic interfere with drop rates to influence the economy?
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Yeah, you can actually a profit for anything under 1.2 billion credits. The most expensive ship on the exchange goes for 750 million ship. You can get yourself several T6 connies for 600 million credits and still have plenty left over. There is no reason for people to be greedy.
Where is this T6 Connie for 600M? I imagine that did not last long.
Do you not know how to use the exchange? People are still selling 23rd Century Tier 6 Dreadnoughts for 350,00,000 million credits.
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I cannot begin to even fathom your line of logic here, it is baffling.
Mostly because it has little to do with my initial premise of pointing out how the ship market for STO is grossly overinflated and could potentially be countered through certain and specific means if enough of the playerbase put their mind to it, because as of now the ship market is essentially cornered by a smaller number of players that potentially have far more IRL disposable assets to invest in the game and thus dictate the availability of rare ships easier.
And then you come out of nowhere by saying, essentially, "oh if you don't spend a vast amount of money right now then you clearly don't want it that much", like.
Dude, what.
And then you say I'm whiny? And attempt to correlate to my behavior IRL from a post on the Internet about a game?
That is some reach right there, dude.
But whatever, man, you do you. You clearly can afford to spend $200 on a single thing in the game, so you are I guess doing well enough for yourself. Mazels.
Me? I'm taking a step back here, as I've said my piece and am done with this.
Exactly. Problem with the world is no one helps each other, apart from the "what's in it for ME?! dog-eat-dog mentality. I always go to help a player out and craft em some stuff they need, their smile is the reward there.
Heck, I'll be happy to help someone trade or swap or get ships and stuff. Maybe we can help each other out, Sorcerer?
No, at least for the Ent-J version which uses the Universe Bridge of the 31st cent temporal ships. Visited it from someone with the ship and was warned I wouldn't like what I would see. Very disappointing.
All the ships are artificially inflated to handle well in The Breach right now. I have Pig-Dog ships that handle so poorly in regular gameplay but in The Breach, they behave just like any nimble ship.
If I full impulse around in an instance, these Pig-Dog ships take half the map to make a 90 degree turn. In The Breach, they make sharp turns.
Some people are asking for more than 1.5 billion EC credits.
They'd be jumping out of a 50th story window, cutting their own throats on the way down, if they only got 1-1.5 billion.....swearing and cussing as they do so.
with me video taping the whole thing
That is why it is offline, a team of 5 Ent-Js went through it and just beat it all to hell. Repair crew was dispatched to patch up the breaches in The Breach.
When you get the Promotion R&D Packs they stack. When you open them, those R&D Packs don't stack. When you get those C-Store R&D Packs as a prize from a Lockbox, those stack. Coding Bug?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
...I did get the 120 lobi I was after and my main crafter's got a pile of catalysts again. With the lobi sale going I might pick up another space gear set or burn a little more of that stored zeni and snag an Ornash battle cruiser for 720.
I think I'm supposed to make a thread about how I'm so distraught I didn't win, but I can't be bothered
That KT ship is nowhere near the size of the Universe class (Doug Drexler designer calls it that) Enterprise J by Doug Drexlers own words qouted on Star Trek Wiki it's 2 miles long.
From what Doug has said the J was a quick and dirty two day design rushed to meet the deadline.
And I know what the Developer said.
Maybe some behind-the-scenes tweaks went awry.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I'm the guy with the cool ship you don't own?
Mustrum "Well, not yet, perhaps, one day, not sure... I got a TOS Connie, though" Ridcully
People are being greedy when they are asking 1.5 billion+ for a butt ugly ship. You can sell the Enterprise-J for 900 million and still make a profit.
Do you see those dreadnoughts out there, being flown by players?
If the answer is yes, then whatever the prize is that people ask for the ship, it is a prize that has a market! People are willing to spend that money.
So the number might seem "inflated" to you, but they are not complete made up numbers - they have a strong basis in reality, there are people that buy at that price!
If you think it's not worth it, that's a subjective determination. Only you can decide what an item is worth to you. But there are more people in the world then you, and if some have the opinion it's worth it to them, then that will be a prize people are going to pay. And if the prizes are not dropping, that means there are still plenty of those people paying for the ship.
That's odd, I could have sworn the promo video showed a unique bridge. It looked massive, and my mouth dropped open. But maybe I was seeing the Klingon one...
Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
-Captain James T. Kirk
Pretty much, someone out there is willing to pay for it, within reason of course even for the well off out there.
Both I and the person I was responding to own T6 TOS Connies. I hope you don't fail at life as badly as you just failed at being a smartass.
Hence why I call them "Comic Book Guy Wanabes"
Greedy little buggers who profit over others' misery....I outta make a Rockefeller approved rubber stamp or something for their foreheads.
As for the J, I think it's gorgeous.
and those two reasons are why i totally want one
EDIT: actually, it also kinda reminds me of this: http://homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/Dreadnought
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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then whomever gets one from a single box, I'll be gladly giving them roughly 20 mill.
RNG = the widening gap between haves and have nots in STO.
Keys? RnD boxes? EC and keys?
I'd like to know what currency to accrue before I spent any money.
I was talking about energy credits not real money though. Lockboxes were never designed so people can make a quick buck off them.
Good for you! You are one of the lucky ones who won on round two. Some people will have to buy hundreds of boxes before they got their Enterprise-J Ship.
Do you know what crazy? Spending hundreds of REAL DOLLARS of getting a virtual ship they may never have. I will never understand people who waste thousands of dollars on lockboxes. People can actually get themselves a brand new car with the amount of money their spending on lockboxes.
...these ships are a bit ridiculous, guys.
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I was online for 3 hours after the patch yesterday and within that timeframe witnessed more winner announcement of the current promo than I seem to have witness for the 23c promo for it’s entire duration. Not that I mind it, the more peeps to open those packs the better for everybody.
Are those 26c ships really that popular or did cryptic interfere with drop rates to influence the economy?
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Sure they are big, but far smaller then I have anticipated they would be. Should the Universe not be faaaaar bigger as it is now?
Do you not know how to use the exchange? People are still selling 23rd Century Tier 6 Dreadnoughts for 350,00,000 million credits.