A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
How would a game that just this year celebrated it's 6th anniversary have had things happen in 2008 before it began development?
It was in BETA testing for a long time I was lucky to get in both Closed and open. Closed might had been in 2009 not sure now. but Did join the forum August 2008. Pretty sure it started in October of that year.
and less than a year and a half of beta testing is not what i would call a 'long time', even if the gaming industry has taken to that as the standard time for beta testing - except blizzard; they still do proper years-long beta tests
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
In my observations, I feel that the MOST healthy point is actually 250/1. That way Zen buyers get a decent amount, and Zen Sellers get more customers willing to buy said Zen.
Healthy for us. But not what Cryptic wants which is why there aren't more sinks.
In my observations, I feel that the MOST healthy point is actually 250/1. That way Zen buyers get a decent amount, and Zen Sellers get more customers willing to buy said Zen.
Healthy for us. But not what Cryptic wants which is why there aren't more sinks.
At 500/1 I am willing to buy more Zen. At 250/1 you all can keep you dil.
Not my problem if people want to trade their dil for such stupidly-high prices. I have better things to do with mine.
No one is forcing anyone to trade their dil at such abysmal rates, I know. That is why I do not trade on the exchange. I only use it to tranfer dil between my toons.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
Not my problem if people want to trade their dil for such stupidly-high prices. I have better things to do with mine.
Agreed, though I do confess (after almost 4 weeks) I finally spend 225 zen to increase one character's doff amount by another 25 doff slots. But after that, I doubt I'll touch any zen for the foreseeable future. Calling this "simple supply-and-demand" is flat out dishonest. People selling *want* to sell for a higher price. Whether their buyer-base will increase beyond the size of the seller-base is, in my opinion, highly unlikely. Just because you rich doesn't mean the poor are too stupid to avoid buying your wares at over-priced amounts. Unless it's something that must be bought with zen, the poor can go elsewhere or, if need be, quit playing the game entirely (as I did last year for five months, though for other reasons than economics). This game is *not* a necessity in human existence. It's a very nice luxury that hopefully enough players enjoy that the game company doesn't go under prematurely.
In parallel and at the risk of being banned from the STO Forums: I've been checking the Steam webpage that checks the amount of STO users online (average vs. peak measured since 2012). It's been dropping ever since Legacy of Romulus went live three years ago and has not recovered even to *half* that level since then. It was over 7000 in May 2013. It's averaged about 2000-2500 users at most since then. Not exactly what I would call highly popular. Maybe there are players waiting for STO to return to non-DPS, non-shiny, and non-lockbox business model to something that fans of ST:TOS and ST:TNG would be more in favor of. Also, I was *not* one of the whiners complaining that STO was too easy in the months before Delta Rising went live, and I have not complained of STO being too easy since then. And no, I do not want to try playing ST:Timelines again. Meh. STO at its worst is way better than ST:Timelines. [steps off of soapbox]
I'm just happy I bought the 3000 zen that I'm going to spend on the T6 Sovereign (when it drops) when the rate was at 305. One less thing to stress on.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
In parallel and at the risk of being banned from the STO Forums: I've been checking the Steam webpage that checks the amount of STO users online (average vs. peak measured since 2012). It's been dropping ever since Legacy of Romulus went live three years ago and has not recovered even to *half* that level since then. It was over 7000 in May 2013. It's averaged about 2000-2500 users at most since then. Not exactly what I would call highly popular.
it is not important what STEAM says, i too do have steam, but STO is installed and launched from ARC. Some people do still use a standalone launcher.
Yes, that's what I'm saying about current prices. You all can keep your zen.
Sadly for you, the market as a whole says otherwise.
It does so now. What is going to happen if it keeps going up is another matter, and not very predictable without data only PWE has access to and a crystal ball.
That said, my inclination would be to say that in the long run high rate means that dil is too easy to get or isn't spent on anything, which means that for the majority of players there's no point spending zen on it, which means bad for business.
In parallel and at the risk of being banned from the STO Forums: I've been checking the Steam webpage that checks the amount of STO users online (average vs. peak measured since 2012). It's been dropping ever since Legacy of Romulus went live three years ago and has not recovered even to *half* that level since then. It was over 7000 in May 2013. It's averaged about 2000-2500 users at most since then. Not exactly what I would call highly popular.
it is not important what STEAM says, i too do have steam, but STO is installed and launched from ARC. Some people do still use a standalone launcher.
Yes I don't even use the ARC launcher I use the original STO launcher
Not my problem if people want to trade their dil for such stupidly-high prices. I have better things to do with mine.
No one is forcing anyone to trade their dil at such abysmal rates, I know. That is why I do not trade on the exchange. I only use it to tranfer dil between my toons.
Snap. I stopped getting Zen with Dilithium when it went above 300/1.
I earn the stuff far faster than I can spend it on new gear and upgrades, these days, but still unwilling to exchange at those stupid rates...
Are you really suggesting that those who buy Zen/and those that put Zen on the exchange are rich? Really? Seriously?
I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would to sell you for a ton of dil'.
If not rich, they certainly are acting as if they are or that (if they find enough suckers -- er, I mean buyers -- at their inflated prices) they will be. If the cap is increased beyond 500 dil. per 1 zen, just watch how fast the price will zoom up into the stratosphere, with yet more impatient demands to increase the cap even beyond that point. And yet people still try to convince me it's governed by supply-and-demand. Riiiiight. Maybe they've just heard the fictional G. Gordon Gecko in "Wall Street" a few too many times: "Greed ... is good."
Hmm, since dil. is nothing but 0's and 1's, they would still weigh nothing if I piled a "ton" of them in front of you. And, yes, I know which bridge that is. In return, did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
No need to scream about it.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Healthy for us. But not what Cryptic wants which is why there aren't more sinks.
At 500/1 I am willing to buy more Zen. At 250/1 you all can keep you dil.
No one is forcing anyone to trade their dil at such abysmal rates, I know. That is why I do not trade on the exchange. I only use it to tranfer dil between my toons.
Agreed, though I do confess (after almost 4 weeks) I finally spend 225 zen to increase one character's doff amount by another 25 doff slots. But after that, I doubt I'll touch any zen for the foreseeable future. Calling this "simple supply-and-demand" is flat out dishonest. People selling *want* to sell for a higher price. Whether their buyer-base will increase beyond the size of the seller-base is, in my opinion, highly unlikely. Just because you rich doesn't mean the poor are too stupid to avoid buying your wares at over-priced amounts. Unless it's something that must be bought with zen, the poor can go elsewhere or, if need be, quit playing the game entirely (as I did last year for five months, though for other reasons than economics). This game is *not* a necessity in human existence. It's a very nice luxury that hopefully enough players enjoy that the game company doesn't go under prematurely.
In parallel and at the risk of being banned from the STO Forums: I've been checking the Steam webpage that checks the amount of STO users online (average vs. peak measured since 2012). It's been dropping ever since Legacy of Romulus went live three years ago and has not recovered even to *half* that level since then. It was over 7000 in May 2013. It's averaged about 2000-2500 users at most since then. Not exactly what I would call highly popular. Maybe there are players waiting for STO to return to non-DPS, non-shiny, and non-lockbox business model to something that fans of ST:TOS and ST:TNG would be more in favor of. Also, I was *not* one of the whiners complaining that STO was too easy in the months before Delta Rising went live, and I have not complained of STO being too easy since then. And no, I do not want to try playing ST:Timelines again. Meh. STO at its worst is way better than ST:Timelines. [steps off of soapbox]
it is not important what STEAM says, i too do have steam, but STO is installed and launched from ARC. Some people do still use a standalone launcher.
That said, my inclination would be to say that in the long run high rate means that dil is too easy to get or isn't spent on anything, which means that for the majority of players there's no point spending zen on it, which means bad for business.
This is a really trivial sum in the scheme of things.
Yes I don't even use the ARC launcher I use the original STO launcher
Snap. I stopped getting Zen with Dilithium when it went above 300/1.
I earn the stuff far faster than I can spend it on new gear and upgrades, these days, but still unwilling to exchange at those stupid rates...
Are you trying to......ruin the fun???
Are you really suggesting that those who buy Zen/and those that put Zen on the exchange are rich? Really? Seriously?
I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would to sell you for a ton of dil'.
If not rich, they certainly are acting as if they are or that (if they find enough suckers -- er, I mean buyers -- at their inflated prices) they will be. If the cap is increased beyond 500 dil. per 1 zen, just watch how fast the price will zoom up into the stratosphere, with yet more impatient demands to increase the cap even beyond that point. And yet people still try to convince me it's governed by supply-and-demand. Riiiiight. Maybe they've just heard the fictional G. Gordon Gecko in "Wall Street" a few too many times: "Greed ... is good."
Hmm, since dil. is nothing but 0's and 1's, they would still weigh nothing if I piled a "ton" of them in front of you. And, yes, I know which bridge that is. In return, did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?