Yes, I am quite aware that certain fleets frequently accused of griefing/harrassment do free giveaways..... The National Socialist German Workers Party also had the National Socialist People's Welfare organization for charity drive and public face giveaways too. Real clever trolls put on public face drives for support..... sucessful trolls know how to put on a public face to placate the small minded and gullible.
Wow. You were awfully quick with that response. You must be furiously slamming on the refresh key. But obviously none of this discussion bothers a professional troll such as yourself.
That's a good attempt but you're making it too obvious they you're searching for any possible insult to attack with.
Yes, I am quite aware that certain fleets frequently accused of griefing/harrassment do free giveaways..... The National Socialist German Workers Party also had the National Socialist People's Welfare organization for charity drive and public face giveaways too. Real clever trolls put on public face drives for support..... sucessful trolls know how to put on a public face to placate the small minded and gullible.
First ****, now TRIBBLE. You guys are getting worse. What part of "this is a game, not real life" do you not understand? Please, please, please seek help.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
First ****, now TRIBBLE. You guys are getting worse. What part of "this is a game, not real life" do you not understand? Please, please, please seek help.
Only a jerk can control a jerk character. The way a person acts ingame towards other people is just a reflection of the person they actually are. Probably some issues with being too scared to be a jerk in public, fear of having a real confrontation.
First ****, now TRIBBLE. You guys are getting worse. What part of "this is a game, not real life" do you not understand? Please, please, please seek help.
Middle finger in the sig, what nice upstanding fleet you represent.
The higher res version helped removed any useful ambiguity, it was kind of you to link that as well.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
First ****, now TRIBBLE. You guys are getting worse. What part of "this is a game, not real life" do you not understand? Please, please, please seek help.
Next rule of trolling,
Using the same attack too many times will fail, It's like Habituation, if you keep exposing someone to the same Stimulus they will eventually stop responding.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
First ****, now TRIBBLE. You guys are getting worse. What part of "this is a game, not real life" do you not understand? Please, please, please seek help.
I understand the game is not real liife. My point being, if someone can do free giveaway to people for public face and still gas people and throw them into ovens...... using the fact one does free giveaways does not dismiss griefing and trolling activities also in game.... one does not negate the happening of the other, nor excuse it.
First ****, now TRIBBLE. You guys are getting worse.
Actually I just wanted to congratulate you guys for keeping up with the times .
Going from a TRIBBLE inspired sig to one with many jihadi elements scattered across it, to the very latest combo of jihadi elements + Jesus groping shows quite an effort to shoot everywhere at once in hopes of hitting something (or someone's nerve) .
... I'm guessing that the Dear Leader must have switched medications again, so that explains the changes in direction, both with instead of "fighting ERP" to doing ERP with unwilling participants , and from TRIBBLE to jihad . So this is all in all ... progress ??
I understand the game is not real liife. My point being, if someone can do free giveaway to people for public face and still gas people and throw them into ovens...... using the fact one does free giveaways does not dismiss griefing and trolling activities also in game.... one does not negate the happening of the other, nor excuse it.
It can help certain people look the other way though.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
I understand the game is not real liife. My point being, if someone can do free giveaway to people for public face and still gas people and throw them into ovens...... using the fact one does free giveaways does not dismiss griefing and trolling activities also in game.... one does not negate the happening of the other, nor excuse it.
The fact you think what we do in game is anywhere close to being the same as "gas people and throw them into ovens" is disturbing.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
Oh boy. Tekhd jumping in with a TRIBBLE comparison. You accuse us of mental gymnastics? There are some seriously broken people in this game, and while Mr. Blue beard may be a jerk for getting people riled up, it certainly isn't him needing the help, but the players that live with a blurred and uncertain understanding of what's real. R*** and TRIBBLE -- what charmed lives you all have that you can make these comparisons, having never experienced anything even close to the scale and seriousness of what you're alluding to.
All I know is that the player in question is part of a fleet that put videos on Youtube of their exploits and admits to the griefing of players. Self destructing thier ships outside of ESD to purposefully destroy unwilling participants ships (before the bug was fixed), inviting unkwoing members of the other faction on their bridges so the fleet members in waiting could kill them and wouldn't allow them the time to leave the bridge. It might be all fun and games for the fleet in question, but its always at the expense of unwilling participants.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
The fact you think what we do in game is anywhere close to being the same as "gas people and throw them into ovens" is disturbing.
Your read in opinion into something I did not say does not constitute a "fact". The further context shows that I consider what you are doing lesser..... That is what a "fact" looks like.
Your read in opinion into something I did not say does not constitute a "fact". The further context shows that I consider what you are doing lesser..... That is what a "fact" looks like.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
I did not pick the holocaust as an example of what you do in the video game, I picked an example showing how an evil awful organization can engage in public face charity work in answer to people pulling out charity work as a counter to claims of griefing activity.... .IOW that you can be doing good stuff on the side does not negate you doing ****ty stuff too. If something as horrendous as the TRIBBLE can do it, why can't a lesser group do it? NOP and giveaways does not negate griefing activity..... not to people who are capable of seeing the bigger picture.
A little banter about TRIBBLE. Slamming the cis-gender scum. Lighthearted pokes at heteros and their silly western 'religion'. Oh wait make that plural on religions.
And, I haven't even TOUCHED on what the actual customers are posting.
...due to a certain troll who stalked me across 3 instances trying to stop us - report sent of course, as stalking and harrassment are against the rules on the sto site :rolleyes:
This is pretty straight forward and I'm not sure what the confusion is.
Based on what the OP has said happen is that she tried to do something(in this case dancing) that was being interfered with in a manner that prevented from occurring or doing so in a enjoyable manner...so moved away at least once, was followed, moved to different instances THREE TIMES and was followed in all cases.
This is stalking & harassment and is a volition of the TOS.
You can claim "it's just a game" all you want. The 'game' has rules however, and by playing the game, you agree to the said terms and conditions laid out by both Cryptic and PWE. Playing the game is a privilege not a right.
If you don't follow their rules here or any other game, you 'can' get canned. Simple.
Edit: Just as a disclaimer, I'm going solely based on what the OP said happened or occurred. I have no evidence to support or claim that is what actually happened and falls in voliation of the TOS.
Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
A little banter about TRIBBLE. Slamming the cis-gender scum. Lighthearted pokes at heteros and their silly western 'religion'. Oh wait make that plural on religions.
And, I haven't even TOUCHED on what the actual customers are posting.
Weep for the griefers. They are just flawed humans that need help.
the anti-social behavior of griefers could be indicative of a larger problem or disorder--such as antisocial personality disorder, impulse control problems, depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, psychotic disorders, and substance abuse.
This is pretty straight forward and I'm not sure what the confusion is.
Based on what the OP has said happen is that she tried to do something(in this case dancing) that was being interfered with in a manner that prevented from occurring or doing so in a enjoyable manner...so moved away at least once, was followed, moved to different instances THREE TIMES and was followed in all cases.
This is stalking & harassment and is a volition of the TOS.
You can claim "it's just a game" all you want. The 'game' has rules however, and by playing the game, you agree to the said terms and conditions laid out by both Cryptic and PWE. Playing the game is a privilege not a right.
If you don't follow their rules here or any other game, you 'can' get canned. Simple.
Of course they will compare this to common activities like being on top of players in crowded cases..... but of course this is where you go from "Reasonable" to "unreasonable"..... character model collision in certain tight locations.... reasonable; specifically chasing someone around maps and between instances for the purpose of colliding with their model and disrupting their activities.... unreasonable. One is "normal game play" the other is harassment and griefing.... reasonable people like myself can tell the difference between the two.
I'd like to personally thank Starfleet Dental for giving me that lockbox ship. Regardless of their past history, they are giving things away with no strings attached. I can get my items, be on my merry way without ever worrying about getting stalked or attacked! I realize this isn't a foolish statement because I'm not the one who is actively going against them!
It's like bullying 101. Don't show interest in a certain person and they will leave you alone!
I'd like to personally thank Starfleet Dental for giving me that lockbox ship.
If anyone from Dental is reading, please send me mine if you have a free moment please.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Sorry for the double post, can't figure out how to edit my posts.
I realize that most of the posts in this thread are people feeling like they are being attacked based on the arguments they have provided. If you continuously base your arguments on major political figures that had nearly conquered the world almost 3/4 a century ago, expect a base of relatively coherent individuals to argue with how mundane that sounds. If you feel like your analogy was okay, comparing a fleet to TRIBBLE, you need to go outside and get a job in retail. People don't talk about that anymore. I don't go around and talk about that with people I feel I'm "connected to" and immediately reference assault and nazism. These sort of things don't work.
I'm not trying to attack any of you, I'm just trying to prove how mundane and weird it sounds to compare these things to people and why they reacted the way they did. Basic human interaction.
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That's a good attempt but you're making it too obvious they you're searching for any possible insult to attack with.
First ****, now TRIBBLE. You guys are getting worse. What part of "this is a game, not real life" do you not understand? Please, please, please seek help.
Only a jerk can control a jerk character. The way a person acts ingame towards other people is just a reflection of the person they actually are. Probably some issues with being too scared to be a jerk in public, fear of having a real confrontation.
Middle finger in the sig, what nice upstanding fleet you represent.
The higher res version helped removed any useful ambiguity, it was kind of you to link that as well.
Try wearing your glasses, you'll see it's clearly the index finger. Nice derail attempt by the way.
Next rule of trolling,
Using the same attack too many times will fail, It's like Habituation, if you keep exposing someone to the same Stimulus they will eventually stop responding.
The index finger is curled and touching the thumb.
No it's not, it's pointing forwards. Make the same shape with your hand, you'll see it.
I understand the game is not real liife. My point being, if someone can do free giveaway to people for public face and still gas people and throw them into ovens...... using the fact one does free giveaways does not dismiss griefing and trolling activities also in game.... one does not negate the happening of the other, nor excuse it.
Actually I just wanted to congratulate you guys for keeping up with the times .
Going from a TRIBBLE inspired sig to one with many jihadi elements scattered across it, to the very latest combo of jihadi elements + Jesus groping shows quite an effort to shoot everywhere at once in hopes of hitting something (or someone's nerve) .
... I'm guessing that the Dear Leader must have switched medications again, so that explains the changes in direction, both with instead of "fighting ERP" to doing ERP with unwilling participants , and from TRIBBLE to jihad . So this is all in all ... progress ??
It can help certain people look the other way though.
The fact you think what we do in game is anywhere close to being the same as "gas people and throw them into ovens" is disturbing.
It was an example, not a comparison.
Why on Earth would you pick the holocaust as an appropriate example to demonstrate what we do in a video game?
Your read in opinion into something I did not say does not constitute a "fact". The further context shows that I consider what you are doing lesser..... That is what a "fact" looks like.
/10characters
I did not pick the holocaust as an example of what you do in the video game, I picked an example showing how an evil awful organization can engage in public face charity work in answer to people pulling out charity work as a counter to claims of griefing activity.... .IOW that you can be doing good stuff on the side does not negate you doing ****ty stuff too. If something as horrendous as the TRIBBLE can do it, why can't a lesser group do it? NOP and giveaways does not negate griefing activity..... not to people who are capable of seeing the bigger picture.
A little banter about TRIBBLE. Slamming the cis-gender scum. Lighthearted pokes at heteros and their silly western 'religion'. Oh wait make that plural on religions.
And, I haven't even TOUCHED on what the actual customers are posting.
Fire away boys! Give me a SAD!
This is pretty straight forward and I'm not sure what the confusion is.
Based on what the OP has said happen is that she tried to do something(in this case dancing) that was being interfered with in a manner that prevented from occurring or doing so in a enjoyable manner...so moved away at least once, was followed, moved to different instances THREE TIMES and was followed in all cases.
This is stalking & harassment and is a volition of the TOS.
You can claim "it's just a game" all you want. The 'game' has rules however, and by playing the game, you agree to the said terms and conditions laid out by both Cryptic and PWE. Playing the game is a privilege not a right.
If you don't follow their rules here or any other game, you 'can' get canned. Simple.
Edit: Just as a disclaimer, I'm going solely based on what the OP said happened or occurred. I have no evidence to support or claim that is what actually happened and falls in voliation of the TOS.
What are actual customers?
Druk sheds a tear as Nabreeki plots his forum ban revenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afw8e-abVa8
the anti-social behavior of griefers could be indicative of a larger problem or disorder--such as antisocial personality disorder, impulse control problems, depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, psychotic disorders, and substance abuse.
Of course they will compare this to common activities like being on top of players in crowded cases..... but of course this is where you go from "Reasonable" to "unreasonable"..... character model collision in certain tight locations.... reasonable; specifically chasing someone around maps and between instances for the purpose of colliding with their model and disrupting their activities.... unreasonable. One is "normal game play" the other is harassment and griefing.... reasonable people like myself can tell the difference between the two.
It's like bullying 101. Don't show interest in a certain person and they will leave you alone!
If anyone from Dental is reading, please send me mine if you have a free moment please.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I realize that most of the posts in this thread are people feeling like they are being attacked based on the arguments they have provided. If you continuously base your arguments on major political figures that had nearly conquered the world almost 3/4 a century ago, expect a base of relatively coherent individuals to argue with how mundane that sounds. If you feel like your analogy was okay, comparing a fleet to TRIBBLE, you need to go outside and get a job in retail. People don't talk about that anymore. I don't go around and talk about that with people I feel I'm "connected to" and immediately reference assault and nazism. These sort of things don't work.
I'm not trying to attack any of you, I'm just trying to prove how mundane and weird it sounds to compare these things to people and why they reacted the way they did. Basic human interaction.