There seems to be a few misconceptions and a bit of confusion here...
Suzanna's party is NOT supposed to be a private party... it is actually a public party where anyone can attend and listen in - provided they follow the unspoken but very obvious condition to act civilly and respectfully around others. The troll in question here continuously attempted to disrupt the OP's party and kept on encroaching on her personal space (basically right in her face) - WITHOUT her consent. The troll in question also continued to stalk her and harass her across different locations and instances.
Some of the responses here unfortunately still seem to highlight an attitude of victim blaming. Whether it's downplaying the griefing offence or telling the victim to simply ignore it, it is exactly what lets these trolls/bullies/attackers get away with their actions and perpetrates the harassment that continues to occur.
Suzanna's post here isn't specifically just about "complaining" about some little "trivial" issue. This post is to expose the bullying and harassment that is still ongoing, and that trolling and harassment has to be stopped.
To those pulling the "this is only a video game" argument: Would you do something like this in real life where you go to any public event and start shoving yourself in someone's face and stalking someone around WITHOUT their consent? Why or why not? Why would this being "just a video game" where people think they can get away with such action make it ok here?
To the STO GMs and anyone at Cryptic that might be able to do something: Do you want your game to be a place where such attitudes and victim blaming allows such harassment to be perpetrated without consequence?
Since my previous post above has been buried deep in this thread and that people still aren't getting it, I pull it up again.
Also, Starfleet Dental hosting whatever Risa giveaway events in an attempt to win some "goodwill" of some people does NOT take away from the clear harassment and TOS violations the troll in question has comitted. In fact, Dental doing the giveaway has NO relevancy to its harassment of other people. Carrying out a good action does NOT excuse harassment or bullying.
its also kind of funny .. with out any names mentioned in the start of this... EVERYONE on both sides knew the group involved.. either doing the bullying or the victim of it. don't know what the fuss is about... right...
Don't know what all the fuss is about... are u kidding.. ... Same typical tactic .. Terrorize someone on game.. get minions to deny deny deny... bribe masses.. claim do be doing something else.. blame others .. Do it again... seen this over and over and over.. 2 or 3 years worth.. why the thread is soooo long... maybe because all these people are TIRED of it.... think it through.. it will click in a min.. will it matter.. soo get your blind minions to keep burying thread.. anything to protect the "Great leader" ... give away stuff .. ( kind of like giving a lollypop to your assault victim ) and do it again.. when groups do this .. in mass ... it is wrong... want proof.. look at the thread.. pics are there, the volume of the group disclaiming is damming enough... really .... I don't know what the fuss is about... that actually crossed your mind... wow.
Don't know what all the fuss is about... are u kidding.. ... Same typical tactic .. Terrorize someone on game.. get minions to deny deny deny... bribe masses.. claim do be doing something else.. blame others .. Do it again... seen this over and over and over.. 2 or 3 years worth.. why the thread is soooo long... maybe because all these people are TIRED of it.... think it through.. it will click in a min.. will it matter.. soo get your blind minions to keep burying thread.. anything to protect the "Great leader" ... give away stuff .. ( kind of like giving a lollypop to your assault victim ) and do it again.. when groups do this .. in mass ... it is wrong... want proof.. look at the thread.. pics are there, the volume of the group disclaiming is damming enough... really .... I don't know what the fuss is about... that actually crossed your mind... wow.
wow. much post. very inform.
I hear Dear Leader is giving away contraband! Come see the infamous Dear Leader- the one who crushed Drozana so bad, it had to be rebuilt! His head is literally a butt.
Even thru endless deflection attempts, there are still many of us who see *exactly* what has been going on, and will not stand for that kind of behavior, either.
The problem is that there is only so much one can do. The game itself doesn't have GMs or service personnel that would intervene when such behaviour takes place, at least since I started playing almost five years ago I never, ever heard of a case of in-game violations of the code of conduct have been acted upon, ever.
There is literally nothing players can do, aside from avoiding "public" situations altogether and blocking out the chat. The only way something happens is, appereantly, when a dev is annoyed directly by certain in-game behaviour (the memorial thing is one example).
In any case, I am amazed by the sheer amount of time and effort that is invested in annoying players in a videogame. Seriously, it must be at least equal to a side job
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Since giveaways has been mentioned, that reminds me.....I must take this opportunity to thank fleets that together with Darkwing have donated prizes to the show for me to give away during the trivia quizes over the last 3 years. with 5 prizes approx per show, since there have been almost 400 Singularity Show parties that amounts to 2000 approx prizes So a big thanks to you all ! You rock;)
Since giveaways has been mentioned, that reminds me.....I must take this opportunity to thank fleets that together with Darkwing have donated prizes to the show for me to give away during the trivia quizes over the last 3 years. with 5 prizes approx per show, since there have been almost 400 Singularity Show parties that amounts to 4000 approx prizes So a big thanks to you all ! You rock;)
5 prizes per show (approx.) X 400 shows (almost) = 4,000 prizes?
Do you calculate the personal space of your pixels using the same math?
The Mod: "Okay guys, this thread is getting out of hand. Going to shut it down now."
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The Mod: "Closing this thread. Creating a new thread after the last one was locked is a no go."
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Griefers: 3 Players: 0
It is quite easy to base your reckless behavior on a bunch of players trying to defend themselves. You guys seem to be getting this all wrong. Someone states their opinion on why the OP is wrong and this thread becomes sticky paper for the veteran posters to up their post count- I mean, "state their concern". You guys are no different from the trolls you claim to fight.
Everyone in this thread is the same. If some of you wish to compare Starfleet Dental to a bunch of terrorists, then all of you are just like the Egyptians that destroyed their national museum when trying to gain "independence".
Nobody is a winner here and it's sad seeing other players stoop so low. Starfleet Dental helped me out, they also have a very mature sense of humor. Don't attack me on this, this is just my opinion. All of you, discussing your lives and what makes you special, have no right to be in this thread. This is a thread about dancing in a private dance with friends.
I can understand Trendy and the moderators' insanity here, we are all literal babies in adult bodies.:(
haha....erm no its not about "a private dance" its about an oversized troll continually jumping on and stalking at a public radio show party and at many other times. I suggest you read original post properly.:)
It is quite easy to base your reckless behavior on a bunch of players trying to defend themselves. You guys seem to be getting this all wrong. Someone states their opinion on why the OP is wrong and this thread becomes sticky paper for the veteran posters to up their post count- I mean, "state their concern". You guys are no different from the trolls you claim to fight.
Everyone in this thread is the same. If some of you wish to compare Starfleet Dental to a bunch of terrorists, then all of you are just like the Egyptians that destroyed their national museum when trying to gain "independence".
Nobody is a winner here and it's sad seeing other players stoop so low. Starfleet Dental helped me out, they also have a very mature sense of humor. Don't attack me on this, this is just my opinion. All of you, discussing your lives and what makes you special, have no right to be in this thread. This is a thread about dancing in a private dance with friends.
I can understand Trendy and the moderators' insanity here, we are all literal babies in adult bodies.:(
No, this is a thread about players who know very well that they are not wanted near others because of what they do. Follow others to the point of stalking to harass them with immature behavior because they think it's funny when it's not. Telling them to stop does nothing because they don't care. Your post had nothing to do with the discussion that was started, just an attempt to direct it elsewhere.
haha....erm no its not about "a private dance" its about an oversized troll continually jumping on and stalking at a public radio show party and at many other times. I suggest you read original post properly.:)
This is enough information for mods to shut this thread down. Just like every other thread I've seen on these forums about trolls, this thread will die like the rest. If you wanted a private party, you could have gone the "invite to starbase" route. As for the public party, you will always invite unwanted individuals. Ever hold a public house party in your town? I guarantee you would get a lot of unwanted guests.
My post was pretty on-topic. I was trying to give you a reason to keep this thread open, but now you've just outed yourself in a manner the rules deem irresponsible. This is literally a flamer's paradise. I'll be taking my leave.
It is quite easy to base your reckless behavior on a bunch of players trying to defend themselves. You guys seem to be getting this all wrong. Someone states their opinion on why the OP is wrong and this thread becomes sticky paper for the veteran posters to up their post count- I mean, "state their concern". You guys are no different from the trolls you claim to fight.
Everyone in this thread is the same. If some of you wish to compare Starfleet Dental to a bunch of terrorists, then all of you are just like the Egyptians that destroyed their national museum when trying to gain "independence".
Nobody is a winner here and it's sad seeing other players stoop so low. Starfleet Dental helped me out, they also have a very mature sense of humor. Don't attack me on this, this is just my opinion. All of you, discussing your lives and what makes you special, have no right to be in this thread. This is a thread about dancing in a private dance with friends.
I can understand Trendy and the moderators' insanity here, we are all literal babies in adult bodies.:(
I personally dont think Dental is a group of terrorists, more like a bunch of teenage flashmobbers. Seriously, why can't members of said fleet be considerate of other people in game? For God's sake, they even post Youtube videos bragging about the way they harass other players.
If you want to actually have community outreach, then respect the community, otherwise your positive activities will continue be wash over by the blatant disrespect of others. This was made obvious on Vulcan when people were memorializing Leornard Nimoy. I dont understand what satisfaction comes with trying live on the Occam's Razor of player harassment.
Proving the players in his thread wrong won't come from deflection, or giving away goodies to cover up obnoxious behavior, but by courteous interaction with ALL of the playerbase.
The problem is that there is only so much one can do. The game itself doesn't have GMs or service personnel that would intervene when such behaviour takes place, at least since I started playing almost five years ago I never, ever heard of a case of in-game violations of the code of conduct have been acted upon, ever.
There is literally nothing players can do, aside from avoiding "public" situations altogether and blocking out the chat. The only way something happens is, appereantly, when a dev is annoyed directly by certain in-game behaviour (the memorial thing is one example).
In any case, I am amazed by the sheer amount of time and effort that is invested in annoying players in a videogame. Seriously, it must be at least equal to a side job
I totally agree Targ. The one thing that really show signs of an effort to right some of this games rudders would be the inclusion of GM's in the game. I am totlly stunned as to why this game has gone 5 years without GMs.
Your doing so great Suzanna don't take any notice of these Starfleet Dental there just attention seekers looking to ruin everyone's life, players in this game should be allowed to play without a large troll continually jumping on them and stalking and harassing them.
With all the man-children threatening to sue people IRL for stalking/harassment, Cryptic realized the players were handling the issues themselves so they need't bother. Hope that helps.
Suddenly I'm reminded of that thread where someone compared the disco balls to being sexually assaulted...
Wasn't that the Ferengi whip ?
Sometimes I wish Cryptic would enable friendly fire in social zones. Someone gets trolled, They challenge said troll, who either has to agree to the challenge, or gets automatically banned from the instance in question.
ESD would be littered with piles of steaming corpses, but boy would it feel good.
They've banned people for using bots, for spamming RMT advertising in chat, for questionable CC charges, etc but they've never banned anyone for violating the ToS User conduct under F. stalk, threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another;
If they had one of those griefer types would have been on the forum after creating a disposable free account to scream bloody murder.
Perhaps they just don't interpret "stalk, threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another" the same way that you do. Perhaps they are a little more liberal in their application of the rule because otherwise they'd have to apply it every time someone in this game got their panties in a bunch over something ridiculously trivial and ran to the forums crying.
Since the planet is a wasteland, it could be like Nukara, but then there be an underground facility. There could he Heralds and Constructs roaming the ground, gateways to transport you across the galaxy and just a bit o' fun.
Unfortunately this is one of the reasons I haven't even done anything but the flight missions this entire summer. I don't like dealing with some of these people, so I just stay offline.
Unfortunately this is one of the reasons I haven't even done anything but the flight missions this entire summer. I don't like dealing with some of these people, so I just stay offline.
Most of the rest of the galaxy is blissfully free of them just now, Great Bird be praised - excellent time to level those Delta Recruits who've just been sitting around. (Well, except that one of mine, Tovan Khev, is the one I sent to Risa so he could get the accolades there..)
First off those are PWE's rules not Cryptics. Cryptic doesn't have the authority to create their own ToS.
Second I'm interpreting the rules exactly the way PWE wrote them. If PWE wants to use a different interpretation it's their responsibility to update their ToS so we will understand exactly what is and isn't against their rules.
Fair enough, PWE's rules. Now that the semantics have been dealt with;
Your interpretation, no matter how accurate you feel it is, is irrelevant. So is my interpretation. So is the OP's as well as the interpretation of everyone who has replied to this thread. The only interpretation that matters belongs to person sitting on the other side of the screen at Cryptic (pardon me, PWE) making the judgement on what is actionable and what isn't. Whether that's fortunate or unfortunate? I don't know, but that's their prerogative.
The troll crowds your toon with his own, ,move to another instance and the guy follows you, move again, he follows again, ect... each time repeating crowding her toon.
Wish pwe/cryptic would read and enforce their own user agreement.
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Since my previous post above has been buried deep in this thread and that people still aren't getting it, I pull it up again.
Also, Starfleet Dental hosting whatever Risa giveaway events in an attempt to win some "goodwill" of some people does NOT take away from the clear harassment and TOS violations the troll in question has comitted. In fact, Dental doing the giveaway has NO relevancy to its harassment of other people. Carrying out a good action does NOT excuse harassment or bullying.
wow. much post. very inform.
I hear Dear Leader is giving away contraband! Come see the infamous Dear Leader- the one who crushed Drozana so bad, it had to be rebuilt! His head is literally a butt.
The Mod: "Okay guys, this thread is getting out of hand. Going to shut it down now."
* * * * *
The Mod: "Closing this thread. Creating a new thread after the last one was locked is a no go."
* * * * *
Griefers: 3 Players: 0
The problem is that there is only so much one can do. The game itself doesn't have GMs or service personnel that would intervene when such behaviour takes place, at least since I started playing almost five years ago I never, ever heard of a case of in-game violations of the code of conduct have been acted upon, ever.
There is literally nothing players can do, aside from avoiding "public" situations altogether and blocking out the chat. The only way something happens is, appereantly, when a dev is annoyed directly by certain in-game behaviour (the memorial thing is one example).
In any case, I am amazed by the sheer amount of time and effort that is invested in annoying players in a videogame. Seriously, it must be at least equal to a side job
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5 prizes per show (approx.) X 400 shows (almost) = 4,000 prizes?
Do you calculate the personal space of your pixels using the same math?
It is quite easy to base your reckless behavior on a bunch of players trying to defend themselves. You guys seem to be getting this all wrong. Someone states their opinion on why the OP is wrong and this thread becomes sticky paper for the veteran posters to up their post count- I mean, "state their concern". You guys are no different from the trolls you claim to fight.
Everyone in this thread is the same. If some of you wish to compare Starfleet Dental to a bunch of terrorists, then all of you are just like the Egyptians that destroyed their national museum when trying to gain "independence".
Nobody is a winner here and it's sad seeing other players stoop so low. Starfleet Dental helped me out, they also have a very mature sense of humor. Don't attack me on this, this is just my opinion. All of you, discussing your lives and what makes you special, have no right to be in this thread. This is a thread about dancing in a private dance with friends.
I can understand Trendy and the moderators' insanity here, we are all literal babies in adult bodies.:(
No, this is a thread about players who know very well that they are not wanted near others because of what they do. Follow others to the point of stalking to harass them with immature behavior because they think it's funny when it's not. Telling them to stop does nothing because they don't care. Your post had nothing to do with the discussion that was started, just an attempt to direct it elsewhere.
This is enough information for mods to shut this thread down. Just like every other thread I've seen on these forums about trolls, this thread will die like the rest. If you wanted a private party, you could have gone the "invite to starbase" route. As for the public party, you will always invite unwanted individuals. Ever hold a public house party in your town? I guarantee you would get a lot of unwanted guests.
My post was pretty on-topic. I was trying to give you a reason to keep this thread open, but now you've just outed yourself in a manner the rules deem irresponsible. This is literally a flamer's paradise. I'll be taking my leave.
I personally dont think Dental is a group of terrorists, more like a bunch of teenage flashmobbers. Seriously, why can't members of said fleet be considerate of other people in game? For God's sake, they even post Youtube videos bragging about the way they harass other players.
If you want to actually have community outreach, then respect the community, otherwise your positive activities will continue be wash over by the blatant disrespect of others. This was made obvious on Vulcan when people were memorializing Leornard Nimoy. I dont understand what satisfaction comes with trying live on the Occam's Razor of player harassment.
Proving the players in his thread wrong won't come from deflection, or giving away goodies to cover up obnoxious behavior, but by courteous interaction with ALL of the playerbase.
I totally agree Targ. The one thing that really show signs of an effort to right some of this games rudders would be the inclusion of GM's in the game. I am totlly stunned as to why this game has gone 5 years without GMs.
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I heard that the man who bought PWE back was a member of Starfleet Dental.
Source: He may have been under the alias of Butts at the time.
PWE will ban anyone they deem a threat. It isn't about cash at hand, it's about maintaining a game.
Wasn't that the Ferengi whip ?
Sometimes I wish Cryptic would enable friendly fire in social zones. Someone gets trolled, They challenge said troll, who either has to agree to the challenge, or gets automatically banned from the instance in question.
ESD would be littered with piles of steaming corpses, but boy would it feel good.
Perhaps they just don't interpret "stalk, threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another" the same way that you do. Perhaps they are a little more liberal in their application of the rule because otherwise they'd have to apply it every time someone in this game got their panties in a bunch over something ridiculously trivial and ran to the forums crying.
I did not say that. I am suggesting that your interpretation and Cryptic's interpretation of how the rule should be applied differs.
Fair enough, PWE's rules. Now that the semantics have been dealt with;
Your interpretation, no matter how accurate you feel it is, is irrelevant. So is my interpretation. So is the OP's as well as the interpretation of everyone who has replied to this thread. The only interpretation that matters belongs to person sitting on the other side of the screen at Cryptic (pardon me, PWE) making the judgement on what is actionable and what isn't. Whether that's fortunate or unfortunate? I don't know, but that's their prerogative.
The troll crowds your toon with his own, ,move to another instance and the guy follows you, move again, he follows again, ect... each time repeating crowding her toon.
Wish pwe/cryptic would read and enforce their own user agreement.