why? i log into a game to get away from all the ******n PC garbage forced down my throat every damn day by the media and this WAS where i would come to escape it.
But HEY LOOK its rammed in my damn face again
The fact ramir mentions they are a couple need not be said even before i spoke to him i got the point they were just by tevr...whatever her names posturing arms crossed in a defensive manner.
I got the point ramir need not mention thier sexual preference that was where it pissed me off discretion ever hear of that word cryptic? NO? figures. :rolleyes:
For those who will say oh look a homophob think again a-hole my niece is a recently married TRIBBLE woman and im very happy for her and her wife and got no issues with how they choose to live life everyone is entitled to happiness no matter what.
I just dont like stuff rammed down my throat over and over again and when i come here for a break from it its rammed in my face again. :mad:
hey, at least you only have it rammed down your throat now. we had it rammed down our throats by the TRIBBLE, then by the communists, and now by america and western europe.
it was under a different guise, using different words (during TRIBBLE occupation political correctness was pro-TRIBBLE/socialist views, during communist one it was pro-communism/marxism/socialism), but the underlying ideology is the same.
create one acceptable view, then shame, ostracize, oppress and eventually attack anyone who dares to think otherwise.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
i just cant stand having an issue rammed in my face over and over again no matter where the F---K i go im so damn sick of it.
If you want to go through life without anything ever being rammed in your face you should move to a lonely island in the South Pacific. Furthermore you're making mountains out of molehills. One brief hint that this char is TRIBBLE is anything but "ramming it in your face".
Your are offended by TRIBBLE people and TRIBBLE themes. That much is obvious. So don't be a coward about it by claiming otherwise.
I was brought up to mind my own business and not mind that of others and peoples personal lives and choices are NOT my business...untill its shoved in my face and MADE my business.
Its damn tiring tbh
Yeez. So do us all a favour and mind your own business. Quit the game if you must but spare us your hateful bile.
I have mixed feelings about this episode. In some ways it is very representative for STO. It has same good and bad things that whole game has.
1. Art - it's great. I see lot of creativity work and this episode looks awsome! More and more I think that art dep are only plp in Cryptic that have some sort of creativity and love for this game. STO looks better and better and thank You for KDF revamp You are working on. What get me thinking is why You have to do it in free time? Who made decision that this is not important?
2. Story - quite nice idea but horribly wrong implementation. All holes in story was mentioned many times in previous posts, so I can only agree with plp.
I played KDF char and only thing that was klingon was look of my char. Everyone talk to me like I am Ferengi, Kahless doesn't know who I am... no matter that (in-game time) max 18 months ago he and I defeated 10 meters high klingon-legend-devil in magical hell-dimension, right? Must be day like every day. I mean, guys heavn't You throw in every mission-accolade when delta recruitment started? So can't this acc be activated to recognise if char finished Fek'Ihri Return?
Kellicams... eh. How hard is to put 2 more optional lines of txt?
So this episode got me thinking. What are real limitations of STO engine? Don't get me wrong, I like ST and probably will be playing STO for long time yet. But this game is so behind everything new. Ground is tuned fine, but really, it is so limited - no cover and things like grapple gun are like QTE, not really interactive.
Is it gonna change ever?
First answer - no: this is very old engine and it is very poorly writen soft - I can live with this, I'm no programmer, but imagine this could be the case.
Second answer - we don't care. We are implementing hard grind and removing summer Risian Lohlunat Pearls and work really really hard on turning this enterteinment software into players second job. In best scenario we just do not know/care what happens.
Sadly I started to think that second answer is closer to truth. It has nothing to do wit this episode (sorry for wall of txt) but more and more things seems so. Like Geko said that KDF sci ships sells only in doesns (yeah, because NO ONE EVER has been using aceton assimilator?) or removing mentioned Risian Lohlunat Pearls (because plp who collect 1000 from previous years had found them under some rock on Gornar, oh, sorry no Gornar).
Mr. Riviera are You not aware of things in STO or are You deliberately tell not-truth?
No viciousness - answer is really important to me.
My issue is just after the delta recruit event which basically was an event to get people to make alts, we get the spec point weekly rewards one per account.
So basically it's TRIBBLE your alts we just tried to encourage you to make.
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create one acceptable view, then shame, ostracize, oppress and eventually attack anyone who dares to think otherwise.
Do we shame those who think mixed race marriages are dirty and wrong? Yes, in some places and in national media. Did we do this 50 years ago? No. It was acceptable then.
Do we shame people who think women should not be allowed in the workplace. Yes. In most places. Did we shame them 50 years ago? Not really.
Seeing the pattern here? No?
The LGBT fight for equality has moved much more quickly than the women's rights and civil rights movements. But it is the same principal. You either support equal rights for LGBT or you don't. It is no different than being shamed for your views that other races should not be allowed in your neighborhood.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Considering House Pegh is a rip off Star Wars IV : A New Hope I would have thought the mission would be much better. The mission seemed much too short and any combat was over too quickly. I liked the new corridors but they seemed a little too empty, perhaps a few MSE-6 droids or a few Cybermats running around would bring life to the barren map. You should have added a task to rescue the Princess, the Emperor's daughter. What's the next episode, The Iconians Strike Back!
Next time I play I will bring my Nanopulse edge Bat'leth.
Come on Cryptic, please can we have some original stories.
Do we shame those who think mixed race marriages are dirty and wrong? Yes, in some places and in national media. Did we do this 50 years ago? No. It was acceptable then.
Do we shame people who think women should not be allowed in the workplace. Yes. In most places. Did we shame them 50 years ago? Not really.
Seeing the pattern here?
yeah, i do actually. you're becoming just like them, full of disguised hatred and spite.
you're not going to get anywhere with attacking and shaming others, you only portray yourself as no better than your opposition and create lots of friction, which will eventually escalate too far.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
After some more experience: the Omega Molecule Minigame isn't broken if you're referring to the "early end" (CTD issues of course are a problem). It is NOT the minigame from the event couple of months ago. It counts the time up (i. e. there is no limit) and you will go until score 100 / 20 catches, then your mission of stabilizing one molecule is fulfilled. At least that's my impression now since it is repeatable for me like that.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
why? i log into a game to get away from all the ******n PC garbage forced down my throat every damn day by the media and this WAS where i would come to escape it.
But HEY LOOK its rammed in my damn face again
The fact ramir mentions they are a couple need not be said even before i spoke to him i got the point they were just by tevr...whatever her names posturing arms crossed in a defensive manner.
I got the point ramir need not mention thier sexual preference that was where it pissed me off discretion ever hear of that word cryptic? NO? figures. :rolleyes:
For those who will say oh look a homophob think again a-hole my niece is a recently married TRIBBLE woman and im very happy for her and her wife and got no issues with how they choose to live life everyone is entitled to happiness no matter what.
I just dont like stuff rammed down my throat over and over again and when i come here for a break from it its rammed in my face again. :mad:
Just don't play the episode. I mean, you want to 'take a break' from homosexual pairings being treated equally, so you decide to paly a game based on a franchise that (almost?)always encouraged equal treatment, and you're somehow pissed off at the game. Yeah, just don't play the episode.
"hot-button topic"? Where? It threw me because I wasn't expecting it. But in the long run it had exactly zero impact on both game play and the episode. TBH, it felt like someone in Marketing decided to stuff it in at the last minute.
In a word - yawn. Boring. Too many around here will pay entirely too much attention to this part of the episode and ignore the rest of it, though. A shame all that wonderful artwork and a great story in a bug free episode which was very well done will wind up playing second fiddle to the "real" issue.
Yes, the "real" issue which was established in-continuity since well before the episode. Right. /sarcasm
For all the "offended" people that say "I'm not a homophobe, but..." Yes, what exactly you are is a homophobe.
LGBT people are born that way, its not a choice, its not a political position, its not political correctness, its biology. And its not only biology exhibited by humans. Over 400 species have naturally occurring LGBT members, including a large array of primates and other mammals.
But, there is good news for the homophobes, studies indicate that their homophobia is caused by internal self hate due to their own homosexual tendencies. There are support groups that can help you come to terms with your homosexuality, I suggest contacting one. Learning to love yourself is the first step.
Arguing that they were born that way is pointless, as even if it was their choice, opponents of homosexuality arguing that they should choose differently(i.e. "It's not natural, stop doing it") is called an Argument from Nature, and is a logical fallacy. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say that pointing out that wild animals having homosexual practices also constitutes as stepping into that fallacy, but again, no need to make that argument. Homosexuals have not demonstrated to be doing anything objectively wrong just by being homosexual.
Althought I know we have seen all types of couples in Star Trek, I am trying to remember if we've actually seen/ met a legitimate heterosexual couple in STO content.
Yep, you did, during the Devidian arc. It was the exact same character and she did mention her mate as "she" back then.
It is NOT the minigame from the event couple of months ago. It counts the time up (i. e. there is no limit) and you will go until score 100 / 20 catches, then your mission of stabilizing one molecule is fulfilled. At least that's my impression now since it is repeatable for me like that.
I believe that, too. The only "bug" (outside the CTD) is that it says to catch particles until the timer ends (so copy-paste without updating the text) while in reality, you need to catch 100.
Also, as a Klingon, I take offense (not really, but that bothered me a bit, considering not responding to an insult is not considered very honorable in Klingon culture from what I gathered) at not being given the option to punch Trevana in the face for calling me a PetaQ (though, I understand why the option isn't here).
Do we shame those who think mixed race marriages are dirty and wrong? Yes, in some places and in national media. Did we do this 50 years ago? No. It was acceptable then.
Do we shame people who think women should not be allowed in the workplace. Yes. In most places. Did we shame them 50 years ago? Not really.
Seeing the pattern here? No?
The LGBT fight for equality has moved much more quickly than the women's rights and civil rights movements. But it is the same principal. You either support equal rights for LGBT or you don't. It is no different than being shamed for your views that other races should not be allowed in your neighborhood.
Martin Luther King Jr. and Ghandi had no room for shaming, ad-homonyms, or the sort in the fights for civil equality and they are two of the most sucessful and admired leaders of the civil rights movement. They were so effecive in thier movements that they were assasinated in hopes to silence them, but they couldnt be silenced, can't stop the signal, Mal'.
Shaming a person is no different than just shouting them down, but more dangerous because its under the guise of social or political correctness.
yeah, i do actually. you're becoming just like them, full of disguised hatred and spite.
you're not going to get anywhere with attacking and shaming others, you only portray yourself as no better than your opposition and create lots of friction, which will eventually escalate too far.
Too funny or too sad. Audience you make the call.
Let me make it a little clearer. It is not possible for a persecuted minority to be Hitler or Stalin. Kudos for jumping to Hitler btw. A minority group struggling for EQUAL rights can not possible oppress anyone. The only reason you feel oppressed is because you are forced to see others that are different from yourself. Awww, so sorry Each passing year is going to get uglier and uglier for you
Even if we see one last republican president, the tide of public opinion in the developed world is sweeping fast.
You might consider a move to a totalitarian country to feel at ease. The only place where hatred to gays and women still thrives is the Middle East, and a few extreme African and far eastern nations. Oh, and Russia LOL. Odd how it takes a totalitarian regime to foster this huh?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Indeed, part of human society is shaming shameful things.
We have gotten to the point where we only believe bad things are shameful, things like dishonesty, bigotry, hypocrisy and malice.
It is a triumph of human progress.
Actually, humanity has gotten to a point where it shames what an individual or group thinks is shameful, be it right or wrong in reality. Sadly, an agenda tends to be a motivating force behind shaming more than actual in he right or wrong.
Actually, humanity has gotten to a point where it shames what an individual or group thinks is shameful, be it right or wrong in reality. Sadly, an agenda tends to be a motivating force behind shaming more than actual in he right or wrong.
Why not just be honest and admit that you hate gays? Why continue to play this tired game of circular logic?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Justice" is also a subjective, abstract concept as well. One could argue that everyone has a different idea of what justice is.
Indeed, which is why the use of "SJW" as a pejorative is such a reliable and useful tell for clarifying someone's personal definition of such.
If someone actually considers it insulting to label a person as an advocate for "social justice", they are exhibiting clear, unambiguous hostility towards the kind of justice for which that person is advocating. Since we know very well that LGBT rights are the kind of "justice" that is under discussion here, the entirely logical conclusion is that the person using the pejorative is hostile towards those rights.
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Let me make it a little clearer. It is not possible for a persecuted minority to be Hitler or Stalin. Kudos for jumping to Hitler btw. A minority group struggling for EQUAL rights can not possible oppress anyone. The only reason you feel oppressed is because you are forced to see others that are different from yourself. Awww, so sorry Each passing year is going to get uglier and uglier for you
Even if we see one last republican president, the tide of public opinion in the developed world is sweeping fast.
You might consider a move to a totalitarian country to feel at ease. The only place where hatred to gays and women still thrives is the Middle East, and a few extreme African and far eastern nations. Odd how it takes a totalitarian regime to foster this huh?
Actually, an aggressive, active, and or violent minority can oppress, and has oppressed, especially in a non confrontational society. Much of the West has become non-confrontational throuh percieved political correctness and social justice. These days, if a person disagrees with another race, religion, or social group, they risk being labeled a racist, or bigot, which can ruin a persons reputation and is usedas a weapon of advancement for agendas, as it does oppress other people, especially non-combative types.
Society has moved away from an active field of ideas, to polarization under fear of being forced out of the percieved acceptable society.
Ummmmm.... That individual was neither a heterosexual, nor a couple.
You're sure you're not confusing heterosexual and homosexual, because we do have heterosexual couples in STO:
-Neelix and Dexa
-Shon is said to have lost his family during the invasion of Vega
-Sirella and the late Martok
-Tuvok and his off-screen wife
-Kim and Libbi (implied in Dust to Dust)
-Kirk (off-screen) and the Enterprise in Past Imperfect (yep, I went there)
-Rom and Leeta, mentioned via the idle talks of the Holo-Leetas
the trait still hasn't shown up in my trait list and I didn't get the spec point after using the reward box either. same for my friend who played the episode.... the rewards for the episode are borked for quite a few people and yet some can't help but start a **** storm because two klingons woman love each other?
I'd be more pissed about being insulted for playing it safe and NOT being able to point out that playing it safe doesn't "endanger" her mate but prevents her from being vaporized together with several light years of subspace, saving her a rather early end -_-
ohh right your girlfriend risks getting found because I prevent her from being vaporized! I get your overprotective but USE YOUR BRAIN WOMAN!!!. geez <-<
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Why not just be honest and admit that you hate gays? Why continue to play this tired game of circular logic?
I dont hate gays, just as much as I presume that you dont hate straights. I have an Uncle and cousin that are TRIBBLE and love them very much. What I do hate is the extremes of presumption that some people take to an extreme. I don't like people being aggressive towards others an ad-homonym insults, which are violations of the TOU.
I have said nothing against any lifestyles here, yet you are being aggressive and insulting to me. I really think you need to take a step back, and think a bit. You actions are going to contribute to this thread being locked down, will that help advance your beliefs any?
You're sure you're not confusing heterosexual and homosexual, because we do have heterosexual couples in STO:
-Neelix and Dexa
-Shon is said to have lost his family during the invasion of Vega
-Sirella and the late Martok
-Tuvok and his off-screen wife
-Kim and Libbi (implied in Dust to Dust)
-Kirk (off-screen) and the Enterprise in Past Imperfect (yep, I went there)
-Rom and Leeta, mentioned via the idle talks of the Holo-Leetas
I specifically mentioned heterosexual and meant that. I was asking for in game presentations of "straight" couples. I dont think we have had an STO "on screen" hetero couple. Im thinking some people might be upset at the whole thing because there wasnt even an on screen straight couple. I could care less either way. Im just trying to figure out why some people are upset, beyond the typical "homophobe" assumption.
Even if that were true, there wouldnt be any 'shoving in the face.'
Shoving in the face would be something like a bunch of popups that said "Do you understand this is a TRIBBLE/TRIBBLE couple?" -> yes
Popup 2: They are both the same gender and are in a romantic relationship, they are TRIBBLE, understand? -> Yes
Popup 3: They are both women, they are lesbians, see? Get it! TRIBBLE Pride! - > Yes
Popup 4: Once again, these are a TRIBBLE couple, do you understand? Out and Proud!!!!! -> yes.
That would be 'shoving it in the face.'
Someone obsessed with homosexuality seizing on something innocuous and displaying a bizarre reaction does not mean it was 'shoved in his face.'
Im not saying it was shoving in ones face. I am just trying to figure why some are upset, beyond he "homophone bigot" line of thought. I am trying to think outside the box.
tell me about it my issue about the rewards of the mission not working for my character got drowned out together with my complaints about the mates idiocy, ignoring that "preventing her from being vaporized" doesn't constitute being insulted as a coward.
yay the trait is finally in my liiist! XD
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tell me about it my issue about the rewards of the mission not working for my character got drowned out together with my complaints about the mates idiocy, ignoring that "preventing her from being vaporized" doesn't constitute being insulted as a coward.
yay the trait is finally in my liiist! XD
I remember previous traits in a box required a map change after opening them to get them showing up in the list.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
I dont hate gays, just as much as I presume that you dont hate straights. I have an Uncle and cousin that are TRIBBLE and love them very much. What I do hate is the extremes of presumption that some people take to an extreme. I don't like people being aggressive towards others an ad-homonym insults, which are violations of the TOU.
I have said nothing against any lifestyles here, yet you are being aggressive and insulting to me. I really think you need to take a step back, and think a bit. You actions are going to contribute to this thread being locked down, will that help advance your beliefs any?
Actually, I have not insulted anyone. Nor have I even been aggressive. Nor am I really trying to advance any beliefs. Nor will I be pushed off of this discussion because you want me and my kind to go away. Your arguments are transparently just the old "fear of the TRIBBLE mafia" we see in the comments to any news story about the subject. Same as fear of the feminazis and secret mooslems. It's the same neocon victim argument as well. It goes something like this - poor me - I'm not allowed to discriminate and hate My freedom is being taken away sniffle sniffle.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Let me make it a little clearer. It is not possible for a persecuted minority to be Hitler or Stalin.
it is, if the said "persecuted" minority holds control over the dominant party. to become a hitler, all it needs is radical element. an extremist group who has control of the media, and by proxy, of people.
A minority group struggling for EQUAL rights can not possible oppress anyone.
a minority group who has large presence in the congress, controls the media and social platforms and silences anyone who expresses a dissenting view. you downplay the actual political power liberals hold to appear as a victim which you aren't.
The only reason you feel oppressed is because you are forced to see others that are different from yourself.
ditto at yourself. your only source of oppression is that you see conservative people who express their views like you do yours, and that they're not agreeing with you.
you don't know what oppression means until you lived under a brutal socialist government.
Awww, so sorry Each passing year is going to get uglier and uglier for you
Even if we see one last republican president, the tide of public opinion in the developed world is sweeping fast.
you speak as if i'm american. i'm eastern european.
in our last elections that happened a short while ago the far right wing won by a landslide. left wing liberal parties were crushed with mere 2% votes. again.
the only thing that'll get uglier is the face of the internet.
Why not just be honest and admit that you hate gays? Why continue to play this tired game of circular logic?
here is an example of both passive aggression and being insulting. you imply that because he doesn't hold the same views you do, he hates an entire group of people. this is called an insult. just because it wasn't an ad hominem doesn't mean it isn't one.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
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it was under a different guise, using different words (during TRIBBLE occupation political correctness was pro-TRIBBLE/socialist views, during communist one it was pro-communism/marxism/socialism), but the underlying ideology is the same.
create one acceptable view, then shame, ostracize, oppress and eventually attack anyone who dares to think otherwise.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Yes you DO! Why would be so upset about it if you didn't?
If you want to go through life without anything ever being rammed in your face you should move to a lonely island in the South Pacific. Furthermore you're making mountains out of molehills. One brief hint that this char is TRIBBLE is anything but "ramming it in your face".
Your are offended by TRIBBLE people and TRIBBLE themes. That much is obvious. So don't be a coward about it by claiming otherwise.
Yeez. So do us all a favour and mind your own business. Quit the game if you must but spare us your hateful bile.
1. Art - it's great. I see lot of creativity work and this episode looks awsome! More and more I think that art dep are only plp in Cryptic that have some sort of creativity and love for this game. STO looks better and better and thank You for KDF revamp You are working on. What get me thinking is why You have to do it in free time? Who made decision that this is not important?
2. Story - quite nice idea but horribly wrong implementation. All holes in story was mentioned many times in previous posts, so I can only agree with plp.
I played KDF char and only thing that was klingon was look of my char. Everyone talk to me like I am Ferengi, Kahless doesn't know who I am... no matter that (in-game time) max 18 months ago he and I defeated 10 meters high klingon-legend-devil in magical hell-dimension, right? Must be day like every day. I mean, guys heavn't You throw in every mission-accolade when delta recruitment started? So can't this acc be activated to recognise if char finished Fek'Ihri Return?
Kellicams... eh. How hard is to put 2 more optional lines of txt?
So this episode got me thinking. What are real limitations of STO engine? Don't get me wrong, I like ST and probably will be playing STO for long time yet. But this game is so behind everything new. Ground is tuned fine, but really, it is so limited - no cover and things like grapple gun are like QTE, not really interactive.
Is it gonna change ever?
First answer - no: this is very old engine and it is very poorly writen soft - I can live with this, I'm no programmer, but imagine this could be the case.
Second answer - we don't care. We are implementing hard grind and removing summer Risian Lohlunat Pearls and work really really hard on turning this enterteinment software into players second job. In best scenario we just do not know/care what happens.
Sadly I started to think that second answer is closer to truth. It has nothing to do wit this episode (sorry for wall of txt) but more and more things seems so. Like Geko said that KDF sci ships sells only in doesns (yeah, because NO ONE EVER has been using aceton assimilator?) or removing mentioned Risian Lohlunat Pearls (because plp who collect 1000 from previous years had found them under some rock on Gornar, oh, sorry no Gornar).
Mr. Riviera are You not aware of things in STO or are You deliberately tell not-truth?
No viciousness - answer is really important to me.
Sorry for going so far off-topic.
So basically it's TRIBBLE your alts we just tried to encourage you to make.
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
Do we shame those who think mixed race marriages are dirty and wrong? Yes, in some places and in national media. Did we do this 50 years ago? No. It was acceptable then.
Do we shame people who think women should not be allowed in the workplace. Yes. In most places. Did we shame them 50 years ago? Not really.
Seeing the pattern here? No?
The LGBT fight for equality has moved much more quickly than the women's rights and civil rights movements. But it is the same principal. You either support equal rights for LGBT or you don't. It is no different than being shamed for your views that other races should not be allowed in your neighborhood.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Next time I play I will bring my Nanopulse edge Bat'leth.
Come on Cryptic, please can we have some original stories.
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you're not going to get anywhere with attacking and shaming others, you only portray yourself as no better than your opposition and create lots of friction, which will eventually escalate too far.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
After some more experience: the Omega Molecule Minigame isn't broken if you're referring to the "early end" (CTD issues of course are a problem). It is NOT the minigame from the event couple of months ago. It counts the time up (i. e. there is no limit) and you will go until score 100 / 20 catches, then your mission of stabilizing one molecule is fulfilled. At least that's my impression now since it is repeatable for me like that.
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I believe that, too. The only "bug" (outside the CTD) is that it says to catch particles until the timer ends (so copy-paste without updating the text) while in reality, you need to catch 100.
Also, as a Klingon, I take offense (not really, but that bothered me a bit, considering not responding to an insult is not considered very honorable in Klingon culture from what I gathered) at not being given the option to punch Trevana in the face for calling me a PetaQ (though, I understand why the option isn't here).
Martin Luther King Jr. and Ghandi had no room for shaming, ad-homonyms, or the sort in the fights for civil equality and they are two of the most sucessful and admired leaders of the civil rights movement. They were so effecive in thier movements that they were assasinated in hopes to silence them, but they couldnt be silenced, can't stop the signal, Mal'.
Shaming a person is no different than just shouting them down, but more dangerous because its under the guise of social or political correctness.
Ummmmm.... That individual was neither a heterosexual, nor a couple.
Too funny or too sad. Audience you make the call.
Let me make it a little clearer. It is not possible for a persecuted minority to be Hitler or Stalin. Kudos for jumping to Hitler btw. A minority group struggling for EQUAL rights can not possible oppress anyone. The only reason you feel oppressed is because you are forced to see others that are different from yourself. Awww, so sorry
Even if we see one last republican president, the tide of public opinion in the developed world is sweeping fast.
You might consider a move to a totalitarian country to feel at ease. The only place where hatred to gays and women still thrives is the Middle East, and a few extreme African and far eastern nations. Oh, and Russia LOL. Odd how it takes a totalitarian regime to foster this huh?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Actually, humanity has gotten to a point where it shames what an individual or group thinks is shameful, be it right or wrong in reality. Sadly, an agenda tends to be a motivating force behind shaming more than actual in he right or wrong.
Why not just be honest and admit that you hate gays? Why continue to play this tired game of circular logic?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
If someone actually considers it insulting to label a person as an advocate for "social justice", they are exhibiting clear, unambiguous hostility towards the kind of justice for which that person is advocating. Since we know very well that LGBT rights are the kind of "justice" that is under discussion here, the entirely logical conclusion is that the person using the pejorative is hostile towards those rights.
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Actually, an aggressive, active, and or violent minority can oppress, and has oppressed, especially in a non confrontational society. Much of the West has become non-confrontational throuh percieved political correctness and social justice. These days, if a person disagrees with another race, religion, or social group, they risk being labeled a racist, or bigot, which can ruin a persons reputation and is usedas a weapon of advancement for agendas, as it does oppress other people, especially non-combative types.
Society has moved away from an active field of ideas, to polarization under fear of being forced out of the percieved acceptable society.
-Neelix and Dexa
-Shon is said to have lost his family during the invasion of Vega
-Sirella and the late Martok
-Tuvok and his off-screen wife
-Kim and Libbi (implied in Dust to Dust)
-Kirk (off-screen) and the Enterprise in Past Imperfect (yep, I went there)
-Rom and Leeta, mentioned via the idle talks of the Holo-Leetas
I'd be more pissed about being insulted for playing it safe and NOT being able to point out that playing it safe doesn't "endanger" her mate but prevents her from being vaporized together with several light years of subspace, saving her a rather early end -_-
ohh right your girlfriend risks getting found because I prevent her from being vaporized! I get your overprotective but USE YOUR BRAIN WOMAN!!!. geez <-<
I dont hate gays, just as much as I presume that you dont hate straights. I have an Uncle and cousin that are TRIBBLE and love them very much. What I do hate is the extremes of presumption that some people take to an extreme. I don't like people being aggressive towards others an ad-homonym insults, which are violations of the TOU.
I have said nothing against any lifestyles here, yet you are being aggressive and insulting to me. I really think you need to take a step back, and think a bit. You actions are going to contribute to this thread being locked down, will that help advance your beliefs any?
I specifically mentioned heterosexual and meant that. I was asking for in game presentations of "straight" couples. I dont think we have had an STO "on screen" hetero couple. Im thinking some people might be upset at the whole thing because there wasnt even an on screen straight couple. I could care less either way. Im just trying to figure out why some people are upset, beyond the typical "homophobe" assumption.
Im not saying it was shoving in ones face. I am just trying to figure why some are upset, beyond he "homophone bigot" line of thought. I am trying to think outside the box.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
tell me about it my issue about the rewards of the mission not working for my character got drowned out together with my complaints about the mates idiocy, ignoring that "preventing her from being vaporized" doesn't constitute being insulted as a coward.
yay the trait is finally in my liiist! XD
I remember previous traits in a box required a map change after opening them to get them showing up in the list.
Actually, I have not insulted anyone. Nor have I even been aggressive. Nor am I really trying to advance any beliefs. Nor will I be pushed off of this discussion because you want me and my kind to go away. Your arguments are transparently just the old "fear of the TRIBBLE mafia" we see in the comments to any news story about the subject. Same as fear of the feminazis and secret mooslems. It's the same neocon victim argument as well. It goes something like this - poor me - I'm not allowed to discriminate and hate
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Most likely, it will get closed down.
a minority group who has large presence in the congress, controls the media and social platforms and silences anyone who expresses a dissenting view. you downplay the actual political power liberals hold to appear as a victim which you aren't.
ditto at yourself. your only source of oppression is that you see conservative people who express their views like you do yours, and that they're not agreeing with you.
you don't know what oppression means until you lived under a brutal socialist government.
you speak as if i'm american. i'm eastern european.
in our last elections that happened a short while ago the far right wing won by a landslide. left wing liberal parties were crushed with mere 2% votes. again.
the only thing that'll get uglier is the face of the internet.
passive aggressiveness is still being aggressive.
here is an example of both passive aggression and being insulting. you imply that because he doesn't hold the same views you do, he hates an entire group of people. this is called an insult. just because it wasn't an ad hominem doesn't mean it isn't one.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.