Or maybe we'll be getting consoles with a "team cloak" ability. ;-)
One can only hope. Would love a console/ability like protos motherships in SC2 or the old arbitrer in SC1 had. It would be so wonderfull on a carrier.
As for the FE... what a great episode. Really. Not to long and not to short, not to hard but not to easy. Forgot my setting to advanced and in fact it was a bit challanging to fight 2 defilers at once on ground. Ohh and no unnecessalry puzzles and annoying death traps either.
And the 2 kdf girls were a nice touch. Trully in Star Trek and IDIC spirit. Kudos to Cryptic Team for this. If it caused some stir... well... it was somewhat expected. But no1 should be let down by a few negative or ever trolling reactions.
A few stuff I/ve noticed. Not complains, mind you... just things...
The kdf intel ships shifts configurations. At first seen it has the model with the warp nacells down, while during combat it has the configuration that resembles asgard motherships in SG-1.
What happened, as in how was the fight between Kahless and the iconian until the player arrives to witness it. I mean, thats an Iconian, right... One that could lift 6 big klingons and explode them in mid air. Or with a wave of a hand could land an antiproton (seemed that way by the blueish beam) version of polaron bombardament player's skill as seen in the previous FE. So... how Kahless is still alive for so long?
Wasnt the Sword lost? Remember an episodes where Worf and Jadzia went on a tresure hunt to find it then only to leave it "lost" in space at the end.
Really? Roughly half the thread is about a TRIBBLE Klingon couple that's even modeled after a stereotype "male and female" pairing? (I know those exist but I feel misrepresented by the lowest common television denominator).
Grow up, people.
EDIT: I find the whole "Run away" thing worse to be honest. Once again we have to abandon the mission to create a false sense of desparity? But the art assets, at least, look very solid, good job on those
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Going to be honest, if you guys hadn't tried to hype the mission up last week, I wouldn't have analyzed the mission anywhere near this much. I'd have let it pass and not said much, if anything. Alas, you guys set yourself up for some critiques.
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Gameplay: It's an average mission with Iconians. Nothing new here. Additionally I didn't feel like the minigame added anything to the mission and having the "Collect Reward" prompt at the end when it gives nothing was poor form.
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Story: This was bad. Sad thing is, if handled better, the concepts and key points of the story could have been something great. However, instead of the appropriate build up we got the hamfisted treatment and end up bombarded with the introduction of a previously unknown Klingon house, the fact that it's a black-ops Klingon House, learn that Kahless(who for Feds and KDF Romulans, isn't a character they've met before) is their leader and he's apparently wielding a Klingon artifact weapon. All of this is learned in the first five minutes of the mission. Oh and for some reason or another, we're asked to assist with the mission but given authority to change mission parameters.
Oh yeah, let's also not forget that while the Klingons haven't figured out how to put a battle cloak on all of their ships, they did manage to somehow create a super cloak device that can not only cloak other ships, but can also maintain the cloak while scanning when the Romulans apparently can't figure out how to keep a cloak up when they need to talk to people in their own ships(Seriously, the amount of times I've had my cloak drop in space because a bridge officer needed to tell me something is idiotic).
Kahless then goes full Klingon(You never go full Klingon...) and decides he's going to redshirt himself by challenging an Iconian in 1v1 combat. Ok fine, we can use the distraction to disable to rest of the generators right? Newp, our elite black ops team decides we're going to interfere with the fight, the same team who thought it was perfectly fine for Kahless to go down and try to kill the Iconian on his own.
Whatever, I've no qualms about shooting an enemy in the back, let's zap the Iconian. Awesome, Kahless has a shot at killing it! Oh great, he's talking...did I just hear him claim that he's winning due to being honorable? That flew out the window the moment we zapped the Iconian. Kahless strikes a downed foe and...manages to cut an arm off. <sigh> Ok, aim again Kahless, no QUIT TALKING! <sigh>
Great, now we have a dead figurehead, a PO'ed Iconian, our mission isn't done yet and a priceless Klingon artifact is potentially out of reach. Perhaps we can run or hold the forces off long enough to at least disable the generators...Newp, we beam out so fast that the only possible way for that to have happened is if the transporter officer was told to beam the crew up if he/she heard the beginning of a message from the away team.
Ok, so we're on our ships now and no one's immediately firing at us. That's good, we still have the super cloak? We can use that to cover us while we prepare to warp out and at least get the intel to our superiors right? Oh...we can't? Well that patrol apparently hasn't seen us yet since they're just hanging around about 25km away. Oh, we need to blow them up? No other Iconian vessels hanging around, we have clear paths in various directions but no, we gotta start fights to protect the super important intel.
TL;DR version: We're asked to join a sabotage mission done by the Black Ops Klingon house. For unspecified reasons we're given authority over mission parameters that is potentially completely ignored, we suffer casualties, don't take advantage of them, lose a priceless artifact, flee like cowards only then to start fights in space for idiotic reasons, fail to complete the original objective and are then debriefed like this was an overall success.
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The traits:
Ground: Not terribly impressed with the ground trait, but that's probably due to my experiences showing that getting up close and personal with enemies on the ground is pretty much the fastest way to take absurd amounts of damage. The risk/reward doesn't feel worth it. Not to mention that it doesn't do anything for melee, which in and of itself is derpy.
Space: Considering the damage falloffs exist already, this seems...weird. Do what you already do to eek out more damage and you get more.
Starship: Tactical hull heal. Meh.
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Now, all the critiques done, I'll mention what few things about the mission I did like:
-Ramir's comment if you run past him while heading to the ready room was a nice, unexpected, touch.
-I'll give a slight nod to using the tricorder to point your way during the ground half of the mission. Do think there should have been some risk/reward for going the wrong ways however.
-The extra consoles with information. However, I was surprised to not see an accolade for finding them all.
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To those popping up with the idea that there's a new Kahless clone ready to step in, sorry to burst your bubble but that's probably not the case. It doesn't fit the context. Ramir, a leader within a black ops unit would not have reacted in anguish if they had a Kahless mk3 ready to resume command of Pegh. The immediate beam out and its lack of mention during the debrief removes the possibility that the Sword was the reason for the cry as well.
The only real method of salvaging this would be to learn that it was an act and have the reasoning for the act explained very well. I'm not holding my breath here.
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The couple: My entire reaction to this was, "Hrm, she's butch...and so is she...I wonder if all Klingon women would be considered, 'butch,' from a human perspective."
To those few whining about this:
Being inappropriate for kids: STO is an MMO with one of the highest mortality rates possible. Every time a ship blows up, that represents anywhere from five to thousands of people dying horrific deaths. On the ground, people are disintegrated on a regular basis. That's fine and dandy for all ages but acknowledging that two people care for each other is not? Get a grip. Star Trek has dealt with sexuality since the beginning with Kirk prowling for any green-skinned alien female he could find.
It saddens me that humanity, as a whole, still can't wrap their heads around basic civil rights. It flat out disgusts me that my own country whose pledge of allegiance ends with the phrase, "With liberty and justice for all," whose Supreme Court has, "Equal justice under law," engraved upon the front, and has dealt with TWO major civil rights situations within a century still has problems granting their fellow men and women basic rights.
I am sorry but the ground trait is TRIBBLE if it does not include melee... the name of the trait is UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL yet it only effects range weapons?
Had the same thought but ok.
Other that that I liked the episode very much. Well done Devs.
Ok let me tell you something i do not like stuff crammed down my throat and shoved in my face over and over and DAMN WELL OVER AGAIN!!:mad:
I turn on the TV and its in my face every damn news channel there it is every damn show etc etc and etc .
I Open a newspaper and any other forms of news or media ajnd its being shoved in my face so i come here to get away from that and well look at that its SHOVED IN MY FACE AGAIN! :mad:
I already knew from spin the wheel b'lera was a TRIBBLE since it was already said her mate was female so now ramir has to shove it my face again? SERIOUSLY? :mad:
And oh look at that IT SERVED NO DAMN PURPOSE AT ALL !!! except to shove something in my face that i already get shoved in my face everywhere else thank cryptic for just shoving something as unimportant as a persons personal life in my face again.
Aww, I guess I didnt pay that much attention after all. Think Ill have to replay, with my kling fem toon. :P
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I didn't feel the episode 'shoved it in my face,' I don't see how any could possibly believe it did.
If you spend all day every day thinking about TRIBBLE people and homosexuality, never letting it leave your mind, always fixated on it, always worked up about it, sure, you will have bizarre overreactions like this.
But that's not a problem with the episode, your reaction deviates from how people ordinarily behave.
Althought I know we have seen all types of couples in Star Trek, I am trying to remember if we've actually seen/ met a legitimate heterosexual couple in STO content. I don't remeber to be sure. Maybe if we haven't, that might be why some people see it as "shoved in thier face". Have we even seen/met a mixed species coue in STO? Obviously, we have seen the products of those couples, but I don't think we've actually seen/met couples.
why? i log into a game to get away from all the ******n PC garbage forced down my throat every damn day by the media and this WAS where i would come to escape it.
But HEY LOOK its rammed in my damn face again
The fact ramir mentions they are a couple need not be said even before i spoke to him i got the point they were just by tevr...whatever her names posturing arms crossed in a defensive manner.
I got the point ramir need not mention thier sexual preference that was where it pissed me off discretion ever hear of that word cryptic? NO? figures. :rolleyes:
For those who will say oh look a homophob think again a-hole my niece is a recently married TRIBBLE woman and im very happy for her and her wife and got no issues with how they choose to live life everyone is entitled to happiness no matter what.
I just dont like stuff rammed down my throat over and over again and when i come here for a break from it its rammed in my face again. :mad:
hey, at least you only have it rammed down your throat now. we had it rammed down our throats by the TRIBBLE, then by the communists, and now by america and western europe.
it was under a different guise, using different words (during TRIBBLE occupation political correctness was pro-TRIBBLE/socialist views, during communist one it was pro-communism/marxism/socialism), but the underlying ideology is the same.
create one acceptable view, then shame, ostracize, oppress and eventually attack anyone who dares to think otherwise.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
i just cant stand having an issue rammed in my face over and over again no matter where the F---K i go im so damn sick of it.
If you want to go through life without anything ever being rammed in your face you should move to a lonely island in the South Pacific. Furthermore you're making mountains out of molehills. One brief hint that this char is TRIBBLE is anything but "ramming it in your face".
Your are offended by TRIBBLE people and TRIBBLE themes. That much is obvious. So don't be a coward about it by claiming otherwise.
I was brought up to mind my own business and not mind that of others and peoples personal lives and choices are NOT my business...untill its shoved in my face and MADE my business.
Its damn tiring tbh
Yeez. So do us all a favour and mind your own business. Quit the game if you must but spare us your hateful bile.
I have mixed feelings about this episode. In some ways it is very representative for STO. It has same good and bad things that whole game has.
1. Art - it's great. I see lot of creativity work and this episode looks awsome! More and more I think that art dep are only plp in Cryptic that have some sort of creativity and love for this game. STO looks better and better and thank You for KDF revamp You are working on. What get me thinking is why You have to do it in free time? Who made decision that this is not important?
2. Story - quite nice idea but horribly wrong implementation. All holes in story was mentioned many times in previous posts, so I can only agree with plp.
I played KDF char and only thing that was klingon was look of my char. Everyone talk to me like I am Ferengi, Kahless doesn't know who I am... no matter that (in-game time) max 18 months ago he and I defeated 10 meters high klingon-legend-devil in magical hell-dimension, right? Must be day like every day. I mean, guys heavn't You throw in every mission-accolade when delta recruitment started? So can't this acc be activated to recognise if char finished Fek'Ihri Return?
Kellicams... eh. How hard is to put 2 more optional lines of txt?
So this episode got me thinking. What are real limitations of STO engine? Don't get me wrong, I like ST and probably will be playing STO for long time yet. But this game is so behind everything new. Ground is tuned fine, but really, it is so limited - no cover and things like grapple gun are like QTE, not really interactive.
Is it gonna change ever?
First answer - no: this is very old engine and it is very poorly writen soft - I can live with this, I'm no programmer, but imagine this could be the case.
Second answer - we don't care. We are implementing hard grind and removing summer Risian Lohlunat Pearls and work really really hard on turning this enterteinment software into players second job. In best scenario we just do not know/care what happens.
Sadly I started to think that second answer is closer to truth. It has nothing to do wit this episode (sorry for wall of txt) but more and more things seems so. Like Geko said that KDF sci ships sells only in doesns (yeah, because NO ONE EVER has been using aceton assimilator?) or removing mentioned Risian Lohlunat Pearls (because plp who collect 1000 from previous years had found them under some rock on Gornar, oh, sorry no Gornar).
Mr. Riviera are You not aware of things in STO or are You deliberately tell not-truth?
No viciousness - answer is really important to me.
My issue is just after the delta recruit event which basically was an event to get people to make alts, we get the spec point weekly rewards one per account.
So basically it's TRIBBLE your alts we just tried to encourage you to make.
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create one acceptable view, then shame, ostracize, oppress and eventually attack anyone who dares to think otherwise.
Do we shame those who think mixed race marriages are dirty and wrong? Yes, in some places and in national media. Did we do this 50 years ago? No. It was acceptable then.
Do we shame people who think women should not be allowed in the workplace. Yes. In most places. Did we shame them 50 years ago? Not really.
Seeing the pattern here? No?
The LGBT fight for equality has moved much more quickly than the women's rights and civil rights movements. But it is the same principal. You either support equal rights for LGBT or you don't. It is no different than being shamed for your views that other races should not be allowed in your neighborhood.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Considering House Pegh is a rip off Star Wars IV : A New Hope I would have thought the mission would be much better. The mission seemed much too short and any combat was over too quickly. I liked the new corridors but they seemed a little too empty, perhaps a few MSE-6 droids or a few Cybermats running around would bring life to the barren map. You should have added a task to rescue the Princess, the Emperor's daughter. What's the next episode, The Iconians Strike Back!
Next time I play I will bring my Nanopulse edge Bat'leth.
Come on Cryptic, please can we have some original stories.
Do we shame those who think mixed race marriages are dirty and wrong? Yes, in some places and in national media. Did we do this 50 years ago? No. It was acceptable then.
Do we shame people who think women should not be allowed in the workplace. Yes. In most places. Did we shame them 50 years ago? Not really.
Seeing the pattern here?
yeah, i do actually. you're becoming just like them, full of disguised hatred and spite.
you're not going to get anywhere with attacking and shaming others, you only portray yourself as no better than your opposition and create lots of friction, which will eventually escalate too far.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
After some more experience: the Omega Molecule Minigame isn't broken if you're referring to the "early end" (CTD issues of course are a problem). It is NOT the minigame from the event couple of months ago. It counts the time up (i. e. there is no limit) and you will go until score 100 / 20 catches, then your mission of stabilizing one molecule is fulfilled. At least that's my impression now since it is repeatable for me like that.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
why? i log into a game to get away from all the ******n PC garbage forced down my throat every damn day by the media and this WAS where i would come to escape it.
But HEY LOOK its rammed in my damn face again
The fact ramir mentions they are a couple need not be said even before i spoke to him i got the point they were just by tevr...whatever her names posturing arms crossed in a defensive manner.
I got the point ramir need not mention thier sexual preference that was where it pissed me off discretion ever hear of that word cryptic? NO? figures. :rolleyes:
For those who will say oh look a homophob think again a-hole my niece is a recently married TRIBBLE woman and im very happy for her and her wife and got no issues with how they choose to live life everyone is entitled to happiness no matter what.
I just dont like stuff rammed down my throat over and over again and when i come here for a break from it its rammed in my face again. :mad:
Just don't play the episode. I mean, you want to 'take a break' from homosexual pairings being treated equally, so you decide to paly a game based on a franchise that (almost?)always encouraged equal treatment, and you're somehow pissed off at the game. Yeah, just don't play the episode.
"hot-button topic"? Where? It threw me because I wasn't expecting it. But in the long run it had exactly zero impact on both game play and the episode. TBH, it felt like someone in Marketing decided to stuff it in at the last minute.
In a word - yawn. Boring. Too many around here will pay entirely too much attention to this part of the episode and ignore the rest of it, though. A shame all that wonderful artwork and a great story in a bug free episode which was very well done will wind up playing second fiddle to the "real" issue.
Yes, the "real" issue which was established in-continuity since well before the episode. Right. /sarcasm
For all the "offended" people that say "I'm not a homophobe, but..." Yes, what exactly you are is a homophobe.
LGBT people are born that way, its not a choice, its not a political position, its not political correctness, its biology. And its not only biology exhibited by humans. Over 400 species have naturally occurring LGBT members, including a large array of primates and other mammals.
But, there is good news for the homophobes, studies indicate that their homophobia is caused by internal self hate due to their own homosexual tendencies. There are support groups that can help you come to terms with your homosexuality, I suggest contacting one. Learning to love yourself is the first step.
Arguing that they were born that way is pointless, as even if it was their choice, opponents of homosexuality arguing that they should choose differently(i.e. "It's not natural, stop doing it") is called an Argument from Nature, and is a logical fallacy. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say that pointing out that wild animals having homosexual practices also constitutes as stepping into that fallacy, but again, no need to make that argument. Homosexuals have not demonstrated to be doing anything objectively wrong just by being homosexual.
Althought I know we have seen all types of couples in Star Trek, I am trying to remember if we've actually seen/ met a legitimate heterosexual couple in STO content.
Yep, you did, during the Devidian arc. It was the exact same character and she did mention her mate as "she" back then.
It is NOT the minigame from the event couple of months ago. It counts the time up (i. e. there is no limit) and you will go until score 100 / 20 catches, then your mission of stabilizing one molecule is fulfilled. At least that's my impression now since it is repeatable for me like that.
I believe that, too. The only "bug" (outside the CTD) is that it says to catch particles until the timer ends (so copy-paste without updating the text) while in reality, you need to catch 100.
Also, as a Klingon, I take offense (not really, but that bothered me a bit, considering not responding to an insult is not considered very honorable in Klingon culture from what I gathered) at not being given the option to punch Trevana in the face for calling me a PetaQ (though, I understand why the option isn't here).
Do we shame those who think mixed race marriages are dirty and wrong? Yes, in some places and in national media. Did we do this 50 years ago? No. It was acceptable then.
Do we shame people who think women should not be allowed in the workplace. Yes. In most places. Did we shame them 50 years ago? Not really.
Seeing the pattern here? No?
The LGBT fight for equality has moved much more quickly than the women's rights and civil rights movements. But it is the same principal. You either support equal rights for LGBT or you don't. It is no different than being shamed for your views that other races should not be allowed in your neighborhood.
Martin Luther King Jr. and Ghandi had no room for shaming, ad-homonyms, or the sort in the fights for civil equality and they are two of the most sucessful and admired leaders of the civil rights movement. They were so effecive in thier movements that they were assasinated in hopes to silence them, but they couldnt be silenced, can't stop the signal, Mal'.
Shaming a person is no different than just shouting them down, but more dangerous because its under the guise of social or political correctness.
yeah, i do actually. you're becoming just like them, full of disguised hatred and spite.
you're not going to get anywhere with attacking and shaming others, you only portray yourself as no better than your opposition and create lots of friction, which will eventually escalate too far.
Too funny or too sad. Audience you make the call.
Let me make it a little clearer. It is not possible for a persecuted minority to be Hitler or Stalin. Kudos for jumping to Hitler btw. A minority group struggling for EQUAL rights can not possible oppress anyone. The only reason you feel oppressed is because you are forced to see others that are different from yourself. Awww, so sorry Each passing year is going to get uglier and uglier for you
Even if we see one last republican president, the tide of public opinion in the developed world is sweeping fast.
You might consider a move to a totalitarian country to feel at ease. The only place where hatred to gays and women still thrives is the Middle East, and a few extreme African and far eastern nations. Oh, and Russia LOL. Odd how it takes a totalitarian regime to foster this huh?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Indeed, part of human society is shaming shameful things.
We have gotten to the point where we only believe bad things are shameful, things like dishonesty, bigotry, hypocrisy and malice.
It is a triumph of human progress.
Actually, humanity has gotten to a point where it shames what an individual or group thinks is shameful, be it right or wrong in reality. Sadly, an agenda tends to be a motivating force behind shaming more than actual in he right or wrong.
Actually, humanity has gotten to a point where it shames what an individual or group thinks is shameful, be it right or wrong in reality. Sadly, an agenda tends to be a motivating force behind shaming more than actual in he right or wrong.
Why not just be honest and admit that you hate gays? Why continue to play this tired game of circular logic?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Justice" is also a subjective, abstract concept as well. One could argue that everyone has a different idea of what justice is.
Indeed, which is why the use of "SJW" as a pejorative is such a reliable and useful tell for clarifying someone's personal definition of such.
If someone actually considers it insulting to label a person as an advocate for "social justice", they are exhibiting clear, unambiguous hostility towards the kind of justice for which that person is advocating. Since we know very well that LGBT rights are the kind of "justice" that is under discussion here, the entirely logical conclusion is that the person using the pejorative is hostile towards those rights.
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Let me make it a little clearer. It is not possible for a persecuted minority to be Hitler or Stalin. Kudos for jumping to Hitler btw. A minority group struggling for EQUAL rights can not possible oppress anyone. The only reason you feel oppressed is because you are forced to see others that are different from yourself. Awww, so sorry Each passing year is going to get uglier and uglier for you
Even if we see one last republican president, the tide of public opinion in the developed world is sweeping fast.
You might consider a move to a totalitarian country to feel at ease. The only place where hatred to gays and women still thrives is the Middle East, and a few extreme African and far eastern nations. Odd how it takes a totalitarian regime to foster this huh?
Actually, an aggressive, active, and or violent minority can oppress, and has oppressed, especially in a non confrontational society. Much of the West has become non-confrontational throuh percieved political correctness and social justice. These days, if a person disagrees with another race, religion, or social group, they risk being labeled a racist, or bigot, which can ruin a persons reputation and is usedas a weapon of advancement for agendas, as it does oppress other people, especially non-combative types.
Society has moved away from an active field of ideas, to polarization under fear of being forced out of the percieved acceptable society.
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One can only hope. Would love a console/ability like protos motherships in SC2 or the old arbitrer in SC1 had. It would be so wonderfull on a carrier.
As for the FE... what a great episode. Really. Not to long and not to short, not to hard but not to easy. Forgot my setting to advanced and in fact it was a bit challanging to fight 2 defilers at once on ground. Ohh and no unnecessalry puzzles and annoying death traps either.
And the 2 kdf girls were a nice touch. Trully in Star Trek and IDIC spirit. Kudos to Cryptic Team for this. If it caused some stir... well... it was somewhat expected. But no1 should be let down by a few negative or ever trolling reactions.
A few stuff I/ve noticed. Not complains, mind you... just things...
The kdf intel ships shifts configurations. At first seen it has the model with the warp nacells down, while during combat it has the configuration that resembles asgard motherships in SG-1.
What happened, as in how was the fight between Kahless and the iconian until the player arrives to witness it. I mean, thats an Iconian, right... One that could lift 6 big klingons and explode them in mid air. Or with a wave of a hand could land an antiproton (seemed that way by the blueish beam) version of polaron bombardament player's skill as seen in the previous FE. So... how Kahless is still alive for so long?
Wasnt the Sword lost? Remember an episodes where Worf and Jadzia went on a tresure hunt to find it then only to leave it "lost" in space at the end.
Ohh and Kahless is fat lol :P
Grow up, people.
EDIT: I find the whole "Run away" thing worse to be honest. Once again we have to abandon the mission to create a false sense of desparity? But the art assets, at least, look very solid, good job on those
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Anyway I didn't even notice the whole thing while playing. I just found that the episode was shorter than I thought.
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I am a boy and I am TRIBBLE too :cool:
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Gameplay: It's an average mission with Iconians. Nothing new here. Additionally I didn't feel like the minigame added anything to the mission and having the "Collect Reward" prompt at the end when it gives nothing was poor form.
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Story: This was bad. Sad thing is, if handled better, the concepts and key points of the story could have been something great. However, instead of the appropriate build up we got the hamfisted treatment and end up bombarded with the introduction of a previously unknown Klingon house, the fact that it's a black-ops Klingon House, learn that Kahless(who for Feds and KDF Romulans, isn't a character they've met before) is their leader and he's apparently wielding a Klingon artifact weapon. All of this is learned in the first five minutes of the mission. Oh and for some reason or another, we're asked to assist with the mission but given authority to change mission parameters.
Oh yeah, let's also not forget that while the Klingons haven't figured out how to put a battle cloak on all of their ships, they did manage to somehow create a super cloak device that can not only cloak other ships, but can also maintain the cloak while scanning when the Romulans apparently can't figure out how to keep a cloak up when they need to talk to people in their own ships(Seriously, the amount of times I've had my cloak drop in space because a bridge officer needed to tell me something is idiotic).
Kahless then goes full Klingon(You never go full Klingon...) and decides he's going to redshirt himself by challenging an Iconian in 1v1 combat. Ok fine, we can use the distraction to disable to rest of the generators right? Newp, our elite black ops team decides we're going to interfere with the fight, the same team who thought it was perfectly fine for Kahless to go down and try to kill the Iconian on his own.
Whatever, I've no qualms about shooting an enemy in the back, let's zap the Iconian. Awesome, Kahless has a shot at killing it! Oh great, he's talking...did I just hear him claim that he's winning due to being honorable? That flew out the window the moment we zapped the Iconian. Kahless strikes a downed foe and...manages to cut an arm off. <sigh> Ok, aim again Kahless, no QUIT TALKING! <sigh>
Great, now we have a dead figurehead, a PO'ed Iconian, our mission isn't done yet and a priceless Klingon artifact is potentially out of reach. Perhaps we can run or hold the forces off long enough to at least disable the generators...Newp, we beam out so fast that the only possible way for that to have happened is if the transporter officer was told to beam the crew up if he/she heard the beginning of a message from the away team.
Ok, so we're on our ships now and no one's immediately firing at us. That's good, we still have the super cloak? We can use that to cover us while we prepare to warp out and at least get the intel to our superiors right? Oh...we can't? Well that patrol apparently hasn't seen us yet since they're just hanging around about 25km away. Oh, we need to blow them up? No other Iconian vessels hanging around, we have clear paths in various directions but no, we gotta start fights to protect the super important intel.
TL;DR version: We're asked to join a sabotage mission done by the Black Ops Klingon house. For unspecified reasons we're given authority over mission parameters that is potentially completely ignored, we suffer casualties, don't take advantage of them, lose a priceless artifact, flee like cowards only then to start fights in space for idiotic reasons, fail to complete the original objective and are then debriefed like this was an overall success.
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The traits:
Ground: Not terribly impressed with the ground trait, but that's probably due to my experiences showing that getting up close and personal with enemies on the ground is pretty much the fastest way to take absurd amounts of damage. The risk/reward doesn't feel worth it. Not to mention that it doesn't do anything for melee, which in and of itself is derpy.
Space: Considering the damage falloffs exist already, this seems...weird. Do what you already do to eek out more damage and you get more.
Starship: Tactical hull heal. Meh.
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Now, all the critiques done, I'll mention what few things about the mission I did like:
-Ramir's comment if you run past him while heading to the ready room was a nice, unexpected, touch.
-I'll give a slight nod to using the tricorder to point your way during the ground half of the mission. Do think there should have been some risk/reward for going the wrong ways however.
-The extra consoles with information. However, I was surprised to not see an accolade for finding them all.
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To those popping up with the idea that there's a new Kahless clone ready to step in, sorry to burst your bubble but that's probably not the case. It doesn't fit the context. Ramir, a leader within a black ops unit would not have reacted in anguish if they had a Kahless mk3 ready to resume command of Pegh. The immediate beam out and its lack of mention during the debrief removes the possibility that the Sword was the reason for the cry as well.
The only real method of salvaging this would be to learn that it was an act and have the reasoning for the act explained very well. I'm not holding my breath here.
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The couple: My entire reaction to this was, "Hrm, she's butch...and so is she...I wonder if all Klingon women would be considered, 'butch,' from a human perspective."
To those few whining about this:
Being inappropriate for kids: STO is an MMO with one of the highest mortality rates possible. Every time a ship blows up, that represents anywhere from five to thousands of people dying horrific deaths. On the ground, people are disintegrated on a regular basis. That's fine and dandy for all ages but acknowledging that two people care for each other is not? Get a grip. Star Trek has dealt with sexuality since the beginning with Kirk prowling for any green-skinned alien female he could find.
It saddens me that humanity, as a whole, still can't wrap their heads around basic civil rights. It flat out disgusts me that my own country whose pledge of allegiance ends with the phrase, "With liberty and justice for all," whose Supreme Court has, "Equal justice under law," engraved upon the front, and has dealt with TWO major civil rights situations within a century still has problems granting their fellow men and women basic rights.
Had the same thought but ok.
Other that that I liked the episode very much. Well done Devs.
Aww, I guess I didnt pay that much attention after all. Think Ill have to replay, with my kling fem toon. :P
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Althought I know we have seen all types of couples in Star Trek, I am trying to remember if we've actually seen/ met a legitimate heterosexual couple in STO content. I don't remeber to be sure. Maybe if we haven't, that might be why some people see it as "shoved in thier face". Have we even seen/met a mixed species coue in STO? Obviously, we have seen the products of those couples, but I don't think we've actually seen/met couples.
it was under a different guise, using different words (during TRIBBLE occupation political correctness was pro-TRIBBLE/socialist views, during communist one it was pro-communism/marxism/socialism), but the underlying ideology is the same.
create one acceptable view, then shame, ostracize, oppress and eventually attack anyone who dares to think otherwise.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Yes you DO! Why would be so upset about it if you didn't?
If you want to go through life without anything ever being rammed in your face you should move to a lonely island in the South Pacific. Furthermore you're making mountains out of molehills. One brief hint that this char is TRIBBLE is anything but "ramming it in your face".
Your are offended by TRIBBLE people and TRIBBLE themes. That much is obvious. So don't be a coward about it by claiming otherwise.
Yeez. So do us all a favour and mind your own business. Quit the game if you must but spare us your hateful bile.
1. Art - it's great. I see lot of creativity work and this episode looks awsome! More and more I think that art dep are only plp in Cryptic that have some sort of creativity and love for this game. STO looks better and better and thank You for KDF revamp You are working on. What get me thinking is why You have to do it in free time? Who made decision that this is not important?
2. Story - quite nice idea but horribly wrong implementation. All holes in story was mentioned many times in previous posts, so I can only agree with plp.
I played KDF char and only thing that was klingon was look of my char. Everyone talk to me like I am Ferengi, Kahless doesn't know who I am... no matter that (in-game time) max 18 months ago he and I defeated 10 meters high klingon-legend-devil in magical hell-dimension, right? Must be day like every day. I mean, guys heavn't You throw in every mission-accolade when delta recruitment started? So can't this acc be activated to recognise if char finished Fek'Ihri Return?
Kellicams... eh. How hard is to put 2 more optional lines of txt?
So this episode got me thinking. What are real limitations of STO engine? Don't get me wrong, I like ST and probably will be playing STO for long time yet. But this game is so behind everything new. Ground is tuned fine, but really, it is so limited - no cover and things like grapple gun are like QTE, not really interactive.
Is it gonna change ever?
First answer - no: this is very old engine and it is very poorly writen soft - I can live with this, I'm no programmer, but imagine this could be the case.
Second answer - we don't care. We are implementing hard grind and removing summer Risian Lohlunat Pearls and work really really hard on turning this enterteinment software into players second job. In best scenario we just do not know/care what happens.
Sadly I started to think that second answer is closer to truth. It has nothing to do wit this episode (sorry for wall of txt) but more and more things seems so. Like Geko said that KDF sci ships sells only in doesns (yeah, because NO ONE EVER has been using aceton assimilator?) or removing mentioned Risian Lohlunat Pearls (because plp who collect 1000 from previous years had found them under some rock on Gornar, oh, sorry no Gornar).
Mr. Riviera are You not aware of things in STO or are You deliberately tell not-truth?
No viciousness - answer is really important to me.
Sorry for going so far off-topic.
So basically it's TRIBBLE your alts we just tried to encourage you to make.
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Do we shame those who think mixed race marriages are dirty and wrong? Yes, in some places and in national media. Did we do this 50 years ago? No. It was acceptable then.
Do we shame people who think women should not be allowed in the workplace. Yes. In most places. Did we shame them 50 years ago? Not really.
Seeing the pattern here? No?
The LGBT fight for equality has moved much more quickly than the women's rights and civil rights movements. But it is the same principal. You either support equal rights for LGBT or you don't. It is no different than being shamed for your views that other races should not be allowed in your neighborhood.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Next time I play I will bring my Nanopulse edge Bat'leth.
Come on Cryptic, please can we have some original stories.
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you're not going to get anywhere with attacking and shaming others, you only portray yourself as no better than your opposition and create lots of friction, which will eventually escalate too far.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
After some more experience: the Omega Molecule Minigame isn't broken if you're referring to the "early end" (CTD issues of course are a problem). It is NOT the minigame from the event couple of months ago. It counts the time up (i. e. there is no limit) and you will go until score 100 / 20 catches, then your mission of stabilizing one molecule is fulfilled. At least that's my impression now since it is repeatable for me like that.
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I believe that, too. The only "bug" (outside the CTD) is that it says to catch particles until the timer ends (so copy-paste without updating the text) while in reality, you need to catch 100.
Also, as a Klingon, I take offense (not really, but that bothered me a bit, considering not responding to an insult is not considered very honorable in Klingon culture from what I gathered) at not being given the option to punch Trevana in the face for calling me a PetaQ (though, I understand why the option isn't here).
Martin Luther King Jr. and Ghandi had no room for shaming, ad-homonyms, or the sort in the fights for civil equality and they are two of the most sucessful and admired leaders of the civil rights movement. They were so effecive in thier movements that they were assasinated in hopes to silence them, but they couldnt be silenced, can't stop the signal, Mal'.
Shaming a person is no different than just shouting them down, but more dangerous because its under the guise of social or political correctness.
Ummmmm.... That individual was neither a heterosexual, nor a couple.
Too funny or too sad. Audience you make the call.
Let me make it a little clearer. It is not possible for a persecuted minority to be Hitler or Stalin. Kudos for jumping to Hitler btw. A minority group struggling for EQUAL rights can not possible oppress anyone. The only reason you feel oppressed is because you are forced to see others that are different from yourself. Awww, so sorry
Even if we see one last republican president, the tide of public opinion in the developed world is sweeping fast.
You might consider a move to a totalitarian country to feel at ease. The only place where hatred to gays and women still thrives is the Middle East, and a few extreme African and far eastern nations. Oh, and Russia LOL. Odd how it takes a totalitarian regime to foster this huh?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Actually, humanity has gotten to a point where it shames what an individual or group thinks is shameful, be it right or wrong in reality. Sadly, an agenda tends to be a motivating force behind shaming more than actual in he right or wrong.
Why not just be honest and admit that you hate gays? Why continue to play this tired game of circular logic?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
If someone actually considers it insulting to label a person as an advocate for "social justice", they are exhibiting clear, unambiguous hostility towards the kind of justice for which that person is advocating. Since we know very well that LGBT rights are the kind of "justice" that is under discussion here, the entirely logical conclusion is that the person using the pejorative is hostile towards those rights.
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Actually, an aggressive, active, and or violent minority can oppress, and has oppressed, especially in a non confrontational society. Much of the West has become non-confrontational throuh percieved political correctness and social justice. These days, if a person disagrees with another race, religion, or social group, they risk being labeled a racist, or bigot, which can ruin a persons reputation and is usedas a weapon of advancement for agendas, as it does oppress other people, especially non-combative types.
Society has moved away from an active field of ideas, to polarization under fear of being forced out of the percieved acceptable society.