Actually, my friend, she did commit crimes against both the Federation and the Klingon Empire for which she has not stood trial.
1.) Against the Federation - Kidnapping of a Starfleet Officer, sending an imposter in his place for the brainwashing of captured officer, using captured officer as an infiltrator to kill a Klingon Governor to start a Civil War on a colony world near the Klingon/Federation boarder. In short, an act of espionage. [TNG Season 4 Episode 'The Mind's Eye']
2.) Against the Klingon Empire - Assisted Klingon criminals from the dishonored House of Duras against the legitimate Klingon government led by Chancellor Gowron, thus creating the Klingon Civil War of 2367-2368. [TNG Season 4/5 Episodes 'Redemption Parts 1 and 2']
3.) Against the Federation (Specifically against Vulcan) - Stealing surplus ships from the Qualar II Surplus yard in an attempt to conquer Vulcan by way of a Holographic Ambassador Spock publically endorsing Vulcan/Romulan Reunification that was essentially an Invasion by any other name. [TNG Season 5 Episodes 'Unification Parts 1 and 2']
With that being said, I would very much like to see where this leads storywise in the upcoming Iconian War.
Just out a bit of curiosity, when will the extragalactic threat of the Kelvins become a problem?
Oh you forgot her intention to burn Vulcan with the use of red matter/thaloron. THAT made SC scream. But honestly, do it the easy way and not waste some officers time asking her questions while we could just pull a Romulan-built mind probe out of that guys pocket and remove that suff out of her mind but leave the pain so that these RR types can show their inner Romulan
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Where is Obisek during all of this? He was the one who shot Hakeev in the face, (unless you were the Romulan player who did it), and it was his forces who fought Sela when she was captured by the Iconians to begin with. Since he joined or allied with the Republic, he should be more active going forward, IMO, and it would make sense that he would wish to be a part of these interrogations. We keep doing missions where we bump into Captain Jarok and the Lleiset, and I think it's time we bump into Obisek and the Zdenia. Or maybe the Zdenia is retired after that battle and he's upgraded to one of the TIer 6 Romulan ships?
One problem with that. Most players (and probably npcs too) don't think she knows anything useful enough to keep her alive. Even my nicest character wouldn't consider it a big loss if she had been cut down in a crossfire.
On the other hand, didn't Denise Crosby want to give Sela a redemption arc?
Where did you hear that about Crosby?
Both my main toon and leading alt are Starfleet. Yes Sela should be given a trial for all her various crimes against all three factions... but it should be a fair, legal trial with proper counsel, rights and whatnot.
Perhaps make a bargain if it gets valuable information against the Iconians. Maybe. Depends on how good the info is.
Right now the RR isn't looking too far from its Star Empire cousins.
Hm... let's say Saddam commits crimes against Russia and the United States, then is overthrown by a rebellion and is now held in an Iraqi prison.
I don't think the US or Russia would have anything other than threat of force or sanctions to demand anything in particular of the new Iraq government in relation to how they treat their former dictator.
They're behaving as old-school Romulans, Romulans of the Empire, not the Republic.
Who says the Republic is 100% a Federation copy?
Even comparing the concept of fundamental rights in the US and UK becomes an interesting exercise--two democracies that do NOT guarantee the same rights to their citizens.
Plus, IMO what applies here is the Seldonis (Geneva) Convention, not a criminal law model.
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The Republic has entered into treaties with the Federation. We know From TNG S6E11, Chain of Command Part 2, that the Federation engages its allies and neighbors in treaties specifically concerning the treatment of prisoners of war.
Even if we overlook that probability, she's being treated like a political prisoner. No contact with anyone. Guards are not allowed to talk to her. Her rights are being denied. Her interrogator is very blatant with a nonprofessionally hostile attitude. She has no reason to believe she'll survive sentencing for war crimes and every reason to believe the Republic has taken a page from the Cardassians on how to hold a trial.
If you want a prisoner to cooperate, she needs to have hope, she needs to have an incentive, and she needs a reason to be truthful. Torture is worse than useless, but this casual mistreatment will never generate results. Get her a damn lawyer and she might just open her mouth.
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The Republic has entered into treaties with the Federation. We know From TNG S6E11, Chain of Command Part 2, that the Federation engages its allies and neighbors in treaties specifically concerning the treatment of prisoners of war.
Even if we overlook that probability, she's being treated like a political prisoner. No contact with anyone. Guards are not allowed to talk to her. Her rights are being denied. Her interrogator is very blatant with a nonprofessionally hostile attitude. She has no reason to believe she'll survive sentencing for war crimes and every reason to believe the Republic has taken a page from the Cardassians on how to hold a trial.
If you want a prisoner to cooperate, she needs to have hope, she needs to have an incentive, and she needs a reason to be truthful. Torture is worse than useless, but this casual mistreatment will never generate results. Get her a damn lawyer and she might just open her mouth.
Good idea, just as long as its a cold, logical Vulcan who wouldn't hold a grudge. Or just torture her
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The RR needs to do the responsible thing here after squeezing Sela for all the info on the Iconians. They need to load Sela into a torpedo tube, affording her a face first view of the nearest star, then they need to press the launch button. Then we can wave at Sela as she goes streaking by us at full impulse, face first, into the star.
The RR needs to do the responsible thing here after squeezing Sela for all the info on the Iconians. They need to load Sela into a torpedo tube, affording her a face first view of the nearest star, then they need to press the launch button. Then we can wave at Sela as she goes streaking by us at full impulse, face first, into the star.
Be sure there's not a drop of red matter in the torpedo so that Mol'Rhian's sun isent swallowed into a black hole, then my rom will join you waving as she goes streaking by us at full impulse, face first, into the star.
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Exactly. Just because the Republic isn't as bad as the Star Empire used to be, doesn't mean we adhere to the same regulations and principles that Starfleet religiously follows. Personally, I'm always glad when we get instances where that shows, like the Romulan player character shooting Hakeev instead of Obisek, or Jarok pretty much wanting to do the same when we first captured Sela.
And the reason why the Republic is keeping her so isolated, and being very skeptical about anything she says, even her talk about the Iconians, is because we are intimately aware of how dangerous and manipulative she can be.
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Taris was held captive in one of the most secure (ahem) prisons of the Federation (facility 4028). She could escape with help from the Iconians.
If the Iconians can open up gateways everywhere, then how do you escape their prisons? They could just open up a gateway and retrieve you at any time, right?
She was being held in an Elachi facility, not an Iconian one. And have you considered that they might have let her escape on purpose.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
This. Also like the idea of Jack Bower and/or Obisek.
Obisek would get off-topic too much and Sela would leave the room with at least ALL ribs broken and some broken arms and legs and other parts, oh and a bunch of stab wounds from Obisek's knife. if not the knife then his nails
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Ha! All the RR defenders can now see what a sham it is. You all want to be the RSE, just without the bad PR.
Seriously, though, this interrogator is lousy. He lost control of the session when he let Sela start asking the questions.
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Exactly. Just because the Republic isn't as bad as the Star Empire used to be, doesn't mean we adhere to the same regulations and principles that Starfleet religiously follows. Personally, I'm always glad when we get instances where that shows, like the Romulan player character shooting Hakeev instead of Obisek, or Jarok pretty much wanting to do the same when we first captured Sela.
Similarly, when I write the Cardassian Union in my fanfic, even though they are Fed-allied and subject to Fed-imposed treaty restrictions, they still execute for a variety of serious crimes ranging from murder to mutiny to r*pe to child abuse. The Federation finds this barbaric even though the new Union conducts real trials now where the criminal actually has a right to a defense, but the Cardassians fundamentally do not accept the restorative/rehabilitative model of criminal justice and continue to believe that you must harshly punish such crimes and ensure that a) the guilty of capital crimes can NEVER do it again, not even a tiny risk, and b) an example is made out of them to warn others that if they do the same, they too will die for it.
All the Fed complaints in the world have not altered this aspect of the Cardassian worldview--only the idea that the accused must have a fair trial so that people are not being executed for things they did not do.
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1. I think Obisek is not being given enough credit. He was far wiswer a warrior than that. I do agree I kind of miss him.
2. There were 28 debriefing sessions and this is the best they got? That's like two-digits too high without calling me (Mhae, my Romulan character) to come and have an useful chat with Sela.
3.The Romulan Republic have been very good with the motto "Stick to what matters" in general. I'll admit to disappointment that Sela's handling is being done so poorly. It's incompetent.
I'm very pro-Republic, and yet I look at this and just end up disappointed. I was really hoping Sela's trial would be an opportunity to generate more assets on New Romulus, namely a Senate chamber where people might have assembled to interrogate Sela and get answers out of her regarding the Iconians and their servitor races.
2. There were 28 debriefing sessions and this is the best they got? That's like two-digits too high without calling me (Mhae, my Romulan character) to come and have an useful chat with Sela.
3.The Romulan Republic have been very good with the motto "Stick to what matters" in general. I'll admit to disappointment that Sela's handling is being done so poorly. It's incompetent
answering two: thats my thought too
answering three: fire the interoggator
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I would be willing to let Tovan Khev be her counsel, if it means I can get rid of him. lol.
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When they're given RP, they want to return the RP. I think is something they secretly, actually, desire, when they say: "I wish the game were more Trek."
I would be willing to let Tovan Khev be her counsel, if it means I can get rid of him. lol.
fixed that for ya
I would let Tovan have a go at her so that my sister Tiva'raau (Tovan's new wife) and I could count how long until Tovan would lunge accross the table and strangle Sela
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The Republic has entered into treaties with the Federation. We know From TNG S6E11, Chain of Command Part 2, that the Federation engages its allies and neighbors in treaties specifically concerning the treatment of prisoners of war.
They would on the other hand have to actually intervene on that though. Seeing as how Sela has been a thorn in the Federation's side for going on give decades now, and only recently attempted to go Nero on Vulcan, I doubt they're inclined to intervene on what is basically a sovereign Romulan affair. Prime Directive is the default.
Even if we overlook that probability, she's being treated like a political prisoner. No contact with anyone. Guards are not allowed to talk to her. Her rights are being denied. Her interrogator is very blatant with a nonprofessionally hostile attitude. She has no reason to believe she'll survive sentencing for war crimes and every reason to believe the Republic has taken a page from the Cardassians on how to hold a trial.
To wit, she partially is one.
But you have to consider what they know about her. Don't look at her as some ineffectual politician. You're dealing with a Dr. Hannibal Lecter. Her having a chit chat with a guard could easily evolve into her convincing him to free her, all while he believes he's acting for the greater good of the Romulan People.
A PADD with actual computer access is a recipe for disaster. We don't know what kind of training she's received. Was she Tal Shiar? Some other special ops? They know what she's capable of. For all we know, a PADD with computer access in her hand could allow her to exploit a programming code common to Romulan computer software and take over the prison. Or she could send a message to a loyalist telling them to come spring her.
Pen and Paper? She could use the pen for a weapon and the paper to set a fire.
If anything, their behavior does betray one thing. They are scared of her. Considering her track record they may have a right to be. They think they're dealing with the Romulan Joseph Stalin.
If you want a prisoner to cooperate, she needs to have hope, she needs to have an incentive, and she needs a reason to be truthful. Torture is worse than useless, but this casual mistreatment will never generate results. Get her a damn lawyer and she might just open her mouth.
Hope? She's a Romulan. In the Spock and Worf vein. She has the need to prove herself more Romulan than Romulan. She should know full well about the need for revenge that is bearing down on her.
The thing is she's thinking of herself as an asset since she's the only one that knows what she knows and how valuable it is. But she's trying to control the situation because Sela's ego is all about being in charge.
If she actually wanted to help, then she'd give them a morsel. A tidbit. Enough to show that what she knows is legit, valuable, and intel that they have to have. THEN clam up until they treat her better.
But if she never says anything or she's tried and executed without saying a word, nobody is any worse off than if we'd never found her in that prison.
That said, you're correct torture is useless, especially against a Romulan or Cardassian who is so experienced in torture.
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When they're given RP, they want to return the RP. I think is something they secretly, actually, desire, when they say: "I wish the game were more Trek."
Similarly, when I write the Cardassian Union in my fanfic, even though they are Fed-allied and subject to Fed-imposed treaty restrictions, they still execute for a variety of serious crimes ranging from murder to mutiny to r*pe to child abuse. The Federation finds this barbaric even though the new Union conducts real trials now where the criminal actually has a right to a defense, but the Cardassians fundamentally do not accept the restorative/rehabilitative model of criminal justice and continue to believe that you must harshly punish such crimes and ensure that a) the guilty of capital crimes can NEVER do it again, not even a tiny risk, and b) an example is made out of them to warn others that if they do the same, they too will die for it.
Heh, this actually sounds pretty similar to my own views on capital punishment. I do strongly believe in criminal rehabilitation, and believe that's the only way to truly prevent recidivism for minor crimes, but also strongly believe that there are some crimes, and some criminals, that are beyond rehabilitation, and agree with capital punishment in those situations, for the reasons you listed.
But I'm breaking my policy of not discussing politics, religion, social issues, or the Great Pumpkin amongst strangers....
I'm very pro-Republic, and yet I look at this and just end up disappointed. I was really hoping Sela's trial would be an opportunity to generate more assets on New Romulus, namely a Senate chamber where people might have assembled to interrogate Sela and get answers out of her regarding the Iconians and their servitor races.
To help justify the poor interrogation proceedings, I'm of the belief that, again, anyone more competent amongst the Republic probably would have caused Sela physical or mental harm at this point. As people keep saying, Obisek comes to mind...
Despite my earlier ramblings, I do think the Republic is still handling her with kid gloves, even if we're not being as "accommodating" as some in Starfleet would have us be, specifically because we don't want D'tan or Starfleet finding out and having conniptions.
And I'm afraid you're gonna have to keep dreaming about Cryptic ever designing more assets for New Romulus. Heck, we're lucky that Sela has a stronger connection with the Republic than with Starfleet, or like the KDF, we'd probably be getting a reduced role in the story, period.
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Oh you forgot her intention to burn Vulcan with the use of red matter/thaloron. THAT made SC scream. But honestly, do it the easy way and not waste some officers time asking her questions while we could just pull a Romulan-built mind probe out of that guys pocket and remove that suff out of her mind but leave the pain so that these RR types can show their inner Romulan
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Either way, I want more Obisek.
Where did you hear that about Crosby?
Both my main toon and leading alt are Starfleet. Yes Sela should be given a trial for all her various crimes against all three factions... but it should be a fair, legal trial with proper counsel, rights and whatnot.
Perhaps make a bargain if it gets valuable information against the Iconians. Maybe. Depends on how good the info is.
Right now the RR isn't looking too far from its Star Empire cousins.
Everyone deserves a trial and if you believe otherwise, you don't deserve to wear that uniform.
I don't think the US or Russia would have anything other than threat of force or sanctions to demand anything in particular of the new Iraq government in relation to how they treat their former dictator.
Who says the Republic is 100% a Federation copy?
Even comparing the concept of fundamental rights in the US and UK becomes an interesting exercise--two democracies that do NOT guarantee the same rights to their citizens.
Plus, IMO what applies here is the Seldonis (Geneva) Convention, not a criminal law model.
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Even if we overlook that probability, she's being treated like a political prisoner. No contact with anyone. Guards are not allowed to talk to her. Her rights are being denied. Her interrogator is very blatant with a nonprofessionally hostile attitude. She has no reason to believe she'll survive sentencing for war crimes and every reason to believe the Republic has taken a page from the Cardassians on how to hold a trial.
If you want a prisoner to cooperate, she needs to have hope, she needs to have an incentive, and she needs a reason to be truthful. Torture is worse than useless, but this casual mistreatment will never generate results. Get her a damn lawyer and she might just open her mouth.
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Good idea, just as long as its a cold, logical Vulcan who wouldn't hold a grudge. Or just torture her
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Two words for the Romulan Republic: DENNY CRANE!
Say who?
Or get her a John Grisham lawyer and Ill buy the popcorn for the trial.
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Be sure there's not a drop of red matter in the torpedo so that Mol'Rhian's sun isent swallowed into a black hole, then my rom will join you waving as she goes streaking by us at full impulse, face first, into the star.
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Exactly. Just because the Republic isn't as bad as the Star Empire used to be, doesn't mean we adhere to the same regulations and principles that Starfleet religiously follows. Personally, I'm always glad when we get instances where that shows, like the Romulan player character shooting Hakeev instead of Obisek, or Jarok pretty much wanting to do the same when we first captured Sela.
And the reason why the Republic is keeping her so isolated, and being very skeptical about anything she says, even her talk about the Iconians, is because we are intimately aware of how dangerous and manipulative she can be.
This. Also like the idea of Jack Bower and/or Obisek.
She was being held in an Elachi facility, not an Iconian one. And have you considered that they might have let her escape on purpose.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Obisek would get off-topic too much and Sela would leave the room with at least ALL ribs broken and some broken arms and legs and other parts, oh and a bunch of stab wounds from Obisek's knife. if not the knife then his nails
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Seriously, though, this interrogator is lousy. He lost control of the session when he let Sela start asking the questions.
Similarly, when I write the Cardassian Union in my fanfic, even though they are Fed-allied and subject to Fed-imposed treaty restrictions, they still execute for a variety of serious crimes ranging from murder to mutiny to r*pe to child abuse. The Federation finds this barbaric even though the new Union conducts real trials now where the criminal actually has a right to a defense, but the Cardassians fundamentally do not accept the restorative/rehabilitative model of criminal justice and continue to believe that you must harshly punish such crimes and ensure that a) the guilty of capital crimes can NEVER do it again, not even a tiny risk, and b) an example is made out of them to warn others that if they do the same, they too will die for it.
All the Fed complaints in the world have not altered this aspect of the Cardassian worldview--only the idea that the accused must have a fair trial so that people are not being executed for things they did not do.
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2. There were 28 debriefing sessions and this is the best they got? That's like two-digits too high without calling me (Mhae, my Romulan character) to come and have an useful chat with Sela.
3.The Romulan Republic have been very good with the motto "Stick to what matters" in general. I'll admit to disappointment that Sela's handling is being done so poorly. It's incompetent.
I'm very pro-Republic, and yet I look at this and just end up disappointed. I was really hoping Sela's trial would be an opportunity to generate more assets on New Romulus, namely a Senate chamber where people might have assembled to interrogate Sela and get answers out of her regarding the Iconians and their servitor races.
Who ever said she was a federation prisoner? She is Romulan, so she will be held by the Republic
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Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
answering two: thats my thought too
answering three: fire the interoggator
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Sure, so when a Federation citizen commits a crime against the Klingon Empire they are held by the Federation? Or vice versa?
When they're given RP, they want to return the RP. I think is something they secretly, actually, desire, when they say: "I wish the game were more Trek."
Am I right? Or, am I right?
fixed that for ya
I would let Tovan have a go at her so that my sister Tiva'raau (Tovan's new wife) and I could count how long until Tovan would lunge accross the table and strangle Sela
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Sela's being treated as a far more intimidating badass than she ever was in the series. They would on the other hand have to actually intervene on that though. Seeing as how Sela has been a thorn in the Federation's side for going on give decades now, and only recently attempted to go Nero on Vulcan, I doubt they're inclined to intervene on what is basically a sovereign Romulan affair. Prime Directive is the default.
To wit, she partially is one.
But you have to consider what they know about her. Don't look at her as some ineffectual politician. You're dealing with a Dr. Hannibal Lecter. Her having a chit chat with a guard could easily evolve into her convincing him to free her, all while he believes he's acting for the greater good of the Romulan People.
A PADD with actual computer access is a recipe for disaster. We don't know what kind of training she's received. Was she Tal Shiar? Some other special ops? They know what she's capable of. For all we know, a PADD with computer access in her hand could allow her to exploit a programming code common to Romulan computer software and take over the prison. Or she could send a message to a loyalist telling them to come spring her.
Pen and Paper? She could use the pen for a weapon and the paper to set a fire.
If anything, their behavior does betray one thing. They are scared of her. Considering her track record they may have a right to be. They think they're dealing with the Romulan Joseph Stalin.
Hope? She's a Romulan. In the Spock and Worf vein. She has the need to prove herself more Romulan than Romulan. She should know full well about the need for revenge that is bearing down on her.
The thing is she's thinking of herself as an asset since she's the only one that knows what she knows and how valuable it is. But she's trying to control the situation because Sela's ego is all about being in charge.
If she actually wanted to help, then she'd give them a morsel. A tidbit. Enough to show that what she knows is legit, valuable, and intel that they have to have. THEN clam up until they treat her better.
But if she never says anything or she's tried and executed without saying a word, nobody is any worse off than if we'd never found her in that prison.
That said, you're correct torture is useless, especially against a Romulan or Cardassian who is so experienced in torture.
Uhm.....what?!?
Heh, this actually sounds pretty similar to my own views on capital punishment. I do strongly believe in criminal rehabilitation, and believe that's the only way to truly prevent recidivism for minor crimes, but also strongly believe that there are some crimes, and some criminals, that are beyond rehabilitation, and agree with capital punishment in those situations, for the reasons you listed.
But I'm breaking my policy of not discussing politics, religion, social issues, or the Great Pumpkin amongst strangers....
To help justify the poor interrogation proceedings, I'm of the belief that, again, anyone more competent amongst the Republic probably would have caused Sela physical or mental harm at this point. As people keep saying, Obisek comes to mind...
Despite my earlier ramblings, I do think the Republic is still handling her with kid gloves, even if we're not being as "accommodating" as some in Starfleet would have us be, specifically because we don't want D'tan or Starfleet finding out and having conniptions.
And I'm afraid you're gonna have to keep dreaming about Cryptic ever designing more assets for New Romulus. Heck, we're lucky that Sela has a stronger connection with the Republic than with Starfleet, or like the KDF, we'd probably be getting a reduced role in the story, period.