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  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    No one was hoarding anything, it was a reporting error.

    Also, it was the best weekend event ever and the players loved it
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    vestereng wrote: »
    No one was hoarding anything, it was a reporting error.

    Also, it was the best weekend event ever and the players loved it


    Can we please not keep making the same lame jokes about what the developers say?

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  • comtedeloach2comtedeloach2 Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Can we please not keep making the same lame jokes about what the developers say?

    Can we please keep making the same lame jokes about what the developers say until they start saying smarter things?
  • lordatrocitieslordatrocities Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Sigh - They will fix the Dilithum bug (or so they call it) but they won't fix all the other bugs like the ones.

    Bugs like when you mine and don't get the dilithium, or finish a mission and don't get the dilithium. No those are not bugs worth fixing, but this, this "exploit" is.

    Sigh.
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Because the company advertised a bonus dilithium weekend as it has since it eliminated hourly events, using the same ad copy?

    I'm sorry, so you think you're entitled to free stuff because of a clerical error or inter-office miscommunication. Cool.

    I hope you understand if I think entitlement requires a bit more than a mistake that didn't actually cost you anything.
  • akpaakpa Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    anazonda wrote: »
    Well... They failed... Queues are still empty.

    Kinda surprised they didn figure out that this would not change anything.

    but it did! it divided the playerbase on the forums once again :)
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  • comtedeloach2comtedeloach2 Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jermbot wrote: »
    I'm sorry, so you think you're entitled to free stuff because of a clerical error or inter-office miscommunication. Cool.

    I hope you understand if I think entitlement requires a bit more than a mistake that didn't actually cost you anything.

    Its not an ad misprint, clerical error, or inter-office miscommunication. it was a deliberate nerf to rewards we have gotten from day one of the first dilithium mining event. So don't buy their bullsh*t about it being a miscommunication, it wasn't.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jermbot wrote: »
    I'm sorry, so you think you're entitled to free stuff because of a clerical error or inter-office miscommunication. Cool.

    I hope you understand if I think entitlement requires a bit more than a mistake that didn't actually cost you anything.

    False. I am simply going by how things were for 1.5 years of other dilithium events. The first I heard that things had changed was posted to the bug forum 2 days ago. This is merely #437 of things that have been changed. I hope you enjoy the removal of doffing, contraband, marks for dilithium, grinding patrols etc... that will be coming your way in the next few months. Please be sure to never voice any displeasure over any of these.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    A literal coup de gr
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  • sqwishedsqwished Member Posts: 1,475 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2015
    Its looking like 2015 is going to mirror 2014, to which some in my fleet have termed it the year f the nerf. When are we going to see the carrot? after all we've been beaten down some many times with the stick I'm surprised it hasn't broken yet. There was nothing wrong with how the Dil event worked until some bright spark at Cryptic decided otherwise.

    Its bad enough that Rivera is now looking at slapping CD timers on all patrol missions, because they don't wont people constantly running missions such as Argala or Gerren. Come on Al, you forced into these missions to buff your metrics for DR when you cut the XP from every where else. Now your all shocked and shaken when people ignore content that doesn't match your idea of what we should be doing. How many nerf's to the STF queues? the original one about how the rewards were difficult to understand was nothing more than a joke. And slowly but surely your whittling the rewards down across the game.

    Yes, yes, yes I know we've been promised increases in other areas, but like the PvP guys keep stating (and before anyone says anything I'm not here for PvP) they were promised at lot of things all of which never appeared. So to me your "Promises" are nothing but empty hollow words.

    A couple of questions though, why wait so long before "fixing" this so called issue. Once again you slap everyone with because you failed to fore see something that's as obvious as the nose on your face. When it was announced that you were going to fix the rewards so that we couldn't earn more than a single BnP from an STF, what did you think would happen? Because I for one ran as many as I could and stocked up on a lot of mats. And yes I spent a few dil events simply converting stuff. Yes I know its not what YOU wanted to us to do, but its what I saw as necessary at the time.

    Second question, when and where are you guys going to drop the nerf hammer again? because lets face it's a repeating pattern with guys! I really want to rally behind you guys, but I just cant bring my self to do it anymore. Time after time its the same thing and you try to rationalise it with poorly thought out reasoning that many people see right through and pull apart.

    Lastly how much dilithium and other resources does cryptic actually think we should be earning per hour of game play? because the way I'm looking at it is it doesn't matter how much ore someone can collect because as long as the refining limit (and no I'm not pushing for a raise on it because I understand the negative effects it'll have) is in place we're still time gated by what we can do.
    Oh, it's not broken? We can soon fix that!

  • koihimenakamurakoihimenakamura Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    False. I am simply going by how things were for 1.5 years of other dilithium events. The first I heard that things had changed was posted to the bug forum 2 days ago. This is merely #437 of things that have been changed. I hope you enjoy the removal of doffing, contraband, marks for dilithium, grinding patrols etc... that will be coming your way in the next few months. Please be sure to never voice any displeasure over any of these.

    Uh.. what? Just because they USED to do it doesn't mean they are OBLIGATED to do it. Seriously.

    Also, lol paranoia.
    Its bad enough that Rivera is now looking at slapping CD timers on all patrol missions, because they don't wont people constantly running missions such as Argala or Gerren. Come on Al, you forced into these missions to buff your metrics for DR when you cut the XP from every where else. Now your all shocked and shaken when people ignore content that doesn't match your idea of what we should be doing. How many nerf's to the STF queues? the original one about how the rewards were difficult to understand was nothing more than a joke. And slowly but surely your whittling the rewards down across the game.

    That's actually because they'd also start giving dil and they want you to do /multiple things/ not just one.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Uh.. what? Just because they USED to do it doesn't mean they are OBLIGATED to do it. Seriously.

    That's actually because they'd also start giving dil and they want you to do /multiple things/ not just one.

    No one said anyone was obligated to do anything. It's merely an expectation that the event would be the same as the previous 5 or 6. Not such a strange expectation. Seriously.
    Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • wcampbllwcampbll Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jermbot wrote: »
    I never once claimed you were exploiting things kid, try and be a little more accurate and a little less asinine. I said that this entire complaint boiled down to people pissed off because cryptic stopped giving you dilithium for free the second it stopped being beneficial to them.

    My only question for you is, why do you think you deserve free dilithium?

    obviously with you being a 'member;' of some years but only 2 hours and 52 minute playing time
    you must be one of the many DEV's that doesn't actually play the game they work on. so your ramblings have no value to most actual players. hope you enjoy the unemployment line when i and many other finally give up in disgust at never being heard. and more importantly take the serious cash we dropped on this f2p p2w game with us on the way out. truly makes me sad-i used to enjoy this game-now its only a sence of 'duty' to my fleet that has me signing on at all and that is fading fast:(
  • koihimenakamurakoihimenakamura Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    No one said anyone was obligated to do anything. It's merely an expectation that the event would be the same as the previous 5 or 6. Not such a strange expectation. Seriously.


    You just did by using the "they used to do this!!" argument.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited February 2015
    jermbot wrote: »
    So I see you've opted to trade in your "side lines sniping" for a rather silly attempt at ad hominem. Well, if you can't present an actual argument and you're not mature enough to realize that nothing is sometimes the best thing you can say. I'm not particularly surprised. But at least that's out in the open.

    Now I can do the childish thing and just say "mark hoarder" over and over to see if I can get you to throw-up. Or I can do the really childish thing and answer that then I was in the same place I was last night, with your mom. Or I can do the passive aggressive thing, and apologize for making you feel belittled by naming something you do and suggesting that it could have negative side effects, and then go on to say that I hope some day you find the fortitude to be able to hear dissenting opinions without getting physically ill.

    But no, I'm going to do the mature thing. I'm going to ignore you.


    As many of us will be ignoring you

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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    You just did by using the "they used to do this!!" argument.

    Are you a brick wall?
    Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Well, they have extended its duration, so I can live with it. Ricossa's starting good to me. I'd build him a monument if he'd be the one rebooting PvP. Basically doing what every other EP couldn't do.
  • koihimenakamurakoihimenakamura Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Are you a brick wall?


    No, just someone not very convinced when people say it's "y" when it really is "x".
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Well, they have extended its duration, so I can live with it. Ricossa's starting good to me. I'd build him a monument if he'd be the one rebooting PvP. Basically doing what every other EP couldn't do.

    Extending an event, for which a lot of your player base, is most likely busy grinding away at a mini game involving particles and, not dilithium is not really all that glamorous IMO.

    But, hey if people can try to take advantage whilst they can (till some new nerf to it), than so be it!

    I myself, along with other's here protesting the change, see it as the garbage it truly is, even with the extension.
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  • js26568js26568 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Let's put this in perspective. I have 54,475 Omega Marks at this very moment. I will need to run the "Ongoing War Efforts" mini mission 1090 times to get rid of all my marks. Without taking into account the time I need to click the various buttons, that's 4.5 hours sat here solidly clicking like I have a severe OCD.

    That'd really pad the metrics out for Cryptic if they gave me a real incentive to do it. And no, before the same old crowd pipe up, 500 dil isn't enough of an incentive. I don't go scrabbling around for spare change. If you do, that's fine, I have plenty of vendor junk I could mail to you in-game.
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  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    After doff and tailor and exchange, there won't be anything left to nerf, timegate and dil sink.

    (That is unless they decide to go for another round of nerfs to everything - which took them nearly 3 years this time, nerfing everything in the whole game)

    So assuming that, I'd say sometime by the end of this year they litterly have nothing left to nerf in the entire game, and will HAVE to add content at that point.

    Sometime this summer you will hear developer apologists talking about the great tailor exploiters, who have been changing outfit, free of charge!!!1, ripping off cryptic in this one gigantic plot to embezzle the whole game.

    So OF COURSE we needed a tailor nerf, dil sink and timegate, a company can only take so much...
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    No, just someone not very convinced when people say it's "y" when it really is "x".

    darn! I thought we had finally invented semi-sentient brick :(
    Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    js26568 wrote: »
    Let's put this in perspective. I have 54,475 Omega Marks at this very moment. I will need to run the "Ongoing War Efforts" mini mission 1090 times to get rid of all my marks. Without taking into account the time I need to click the various buttons, that's 4.5 hours sat here solidly clicking like I have a severe OCD.

    That'd really pad the metrics out for Cryptic if they gave me a real incentive to do it. And no, before the same old crowd pipe up, 500 dil isn't enough of an incentive. I don't go scrabbling around for spare change. If you do, that's fine, I have plenty of vendor junk I could mail to you in-game.

    For which could be easily solved, had they bothered to implement a mass mark conversion project!

    Something of which, I had given a perfect method of implementing in game, that favors both sides perfectly!

    Is it here in game now?

    Of course not, it's just easier to nerf any meaningful gains instead!
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    False.

    That wasn't a question and it wasn't false unless you're admitting that you miispoke earlier. In which case, by the standards you have set, I am entitled to free dilithium.

    If you'll recall I asked another poster a fairly straightforward question, why does he deserve free dilithium?

    You answered, presumably for yourself, that you deserve free dilithium because they mistakenly advertised free dilithium by copying and pasting the details from the last dilithium bonus weekend without accounting for the programmed changes. Now, what conversation do you think we're having?
    I am simply going by how things were for 1.5 years of other dilithium events. The first I heard that things had changed was posted to the bug forum 2 days ago. This is merely #437 of things that have been changed. I hope you enjoy the removal of doffing, contraband, marks for dilithium, grinding patrols etc... that will be coming your way in the next few months. Please be sure to never voice any displeasure over any of these.

    Oh.... you're having THAT conversation. Well I'm sorry Mr. Cooper, I'm not interested in THAT conversation, if you have something to say in regards to THIS conversation, I'm all ears.
    wcampbll wrote: »
    obviously with you being a 'member;' of some years but only 2 hours and 52 minute playing time
    you must be one of the many DEV's that doesn't actually play the game they work on. so your ramblings have no value to most actual players. hope you enjoy the unemployment line when i and many other finally give up in disgust at never being heard. and more importantly take the serious cash we dropped on this f2p p2w game with us on the way out. truly makes me sad-i used to enjoy this game-now its only a sence of 'duty' to my fleet that has me signing on at all and that is fading fast:(

    I'm sorry, is your name Bansheedragon? Because I asked that question of Bansheedragon, I also didn't remember ordering a paranoid rant from someone so far off base that the people who agree with him are starting to be embarrassed they do.

    I'm not a developer, if I was, I wouldn't be nearly as rude to you because I'd care if you still played the game. As things stand, my greatest hope is that you decide even your fleet, who are apparently still signing on despite this game dying, are not worth putting up with this injustice, and that you leave forever. No, I'm definitely not a developer, I'm just a fellow player who wants to know why Bansheedragon feels entitled to free stuff, and now why you responded to my question without answering it.

    Jesus, even Mr. Cooper had the decency to answer the question posed before going on a doomsday rant.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Sorry, I'm only interested in conversations that involve the health of the game. On October 13th we had a healthy game. If you think a cash grab like the past 3 months can be sustained for much more than another 3 months you're thicker than your friend the brick.

    When the omega hero crack collection ends on the 26th of this month you will wake up to a ghost town the following morning. The reaction to that reality will decide the game's longevity.

    Don't mistake my nature. For some 2 years I have been the game's biggest white knight here - and well hated for it. In fact I still am. Only now I must speak out against the direction the company has taken the game, because it is killing it - quickly.
    Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • bansheedragonbansheedragon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jermbot wrote: »
    I never once claimed you were exploiting things kid, try and be a little more accurate and a little less asinine. I said that this entire complaint boiled down to people pissed off because cryptic stopped giving you dilithium for free the second it stopped being beneficial to them.

    My only question for you is, why do you think you deserve free dilithium?
    When people go around repeatedly defending every single pissant move the devs makes repeatedly resulting in players losing what little benefit they have from actually playing the game, I will be as asinine as I please towards those people.
    Because I have zero tolerance for people who will defend the devs actions no matter what they do as if they can do no wrong.

    But if you dont like what people post here, why are you reading it?

    As for why I deserve the free Dilithium?
    I was promised I would get it.
    They told me I would get a bonus for a given period of time, but when that time came they suddenly do a 180 and tell me I cant have what I was promised after all.
    And they give me some half baked excuse about metrics, a reson thats clearly is not the real reason becasue they would never dare tell us the truth, as reason for why I cant have what I was promised as if its supposed to make me feel better.
  • aoax10aoax10 Member Posts: 271 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    When people go around repeatedly defending every single pissant move the devs makes repeatedly resulting in players losing what little benefit they have from actually playing the game, I will be as asinine as I please towards those people.
    Because I have zero tolerance for people who will defend the devs actions no matter what they do as if they can do no wrong.

    But if you dont like what people post here, why are you reading it?

    As for why I deserve the free Dilithium?
    I was promised I would get it.
    They told me I would get a bonus for a given period of time, but when that time came they suddenly do a 180 and tell me I cant have what I was promised after all.
    And they give me some half baked excuse about metrics, a reson thats clearly is not the real reason becasue they would never dare tell us the truth, as reason for why I cant have what I was promised as if its supposed to make me feel better.

    I couldn't have said it better myself. It's bad ju-ju for the company when promises can't be kept.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Sorry, I'm only interested in conversations that involve the health of the game. On October 13th we had a healthy game. If you think a cash grab like the past 3 months can be sustained for much more than another 3 months you're thicker than your friend the brick.

    When the omega hero crack collection ends on the 26th of this month you will wake up to a ghost town the following morning. The reaction to that reality will decide the game's longevity.

    Don't mistake my nature. For some 2 years I have been the game's biggest white knight here - and well hated for it. In fact I still am. Only now I must speak out against the direction the company has taken the game, because it is killing it - quickly.


    ^^ Hear ye him! He's not crazy: his mother had him tested! :)
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  • uryenserellonturyenserellont Member Posts: 858 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    js26568 wrote: »
    You misunderstand me. It's vomit-inducing because this new "Mark Hoarding = Cheating" mentality is only about 24 hours old - nobody had a problem with it before Cryptic changed the Dilithium Event rules. Now every brain-dead moron is using the term "Mark Hoarder" like an insult.

    Sorry, I actually fully agreed with you. I just went on a tirade. Nothing to do with you and everything to do with how I feel about this mess.
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Once and for all, it is not "mark hoarding." It is mark earning.

    Once and for all, the rewards are not "free." We worked for every one of those marks and rep items. We played for them, sometimes with morons who are so ridiculous they see every example of someone gaining any benefit as an "exploit" that needs to be nerfed.

    It is not a case of wanting free stuff. it is a case of wanting what we were promised and what we worked/played for *and were promised."

    If you are still using these underhanded terms to misrepresent the reality of matters, then you warrant all the derision you get for being blatant idiots and worthless TRIBBLE-kissing fanboys. One might think, your having watched any Star Trek might have given you a small portion of critical acuity, but clearly you have not. You aren't even clever enough to just not support reasonable concerns; you actually have to go out of your way to deride and attack those who raise them. Pathetic.
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