It's something they've been talking about for years...it was always supposed to be coming, it never did. It ended up being a joke of sorts. It got hot 'n heavy with it supposedly coming with X2 before X2 was named. Then it fell off again and was going to be an after DR thing but hopefully before S10 or maybe with S10. Which kind of put it back to joke status...
...but yeah, why bother with the reality of any of it when we could just make stuff up instead, eh? :rolleyes:
I wonder if this is fallout from the mass exodus? There aren't any players on anymore that will offer to cross-train, because most of the altruistic ones have packed up and quit. Also, the fiasco that is Romulan boffs, needing a fed-allied rom who also has an active purple fed boff as well as an active purple rom boff just to cross-train a fed, or similar nonsense... It was tough to train these before, and now is just impossible to find anybody who can train for you because everybody who COULD has left.
To me it seems like this is a way to bypass the lack of other players -- since it's pulling teeth to train a lvl3 skill of a different class than yourself -- and to charge dil for it while they're at it just because they want zen sales...
Or it is a way to revamp a horrible and ancient game feature while keeping it in line with recent updates ? I know it's outlandish to suggest motives other than pure evil on Cryptics behalf, but c'mon !
So, one of the few things we had in the game that didn't cost dilithium now is going to cost dilithium... (or be a grind, but my experience says dilithium)
I wish i hadn't bought the DR pack and the intrepid pack recently... i would quit this game again, but this time i would never return back.
What are you guys at cryptic thinking??? Are you out of your minds??? I hope a big company buys you out and fire all of you. That's what you deserve.
I've been here since the game's closed beta, and i'm telling you... you have crossed the line many times but now... i better shut up.
You should really be ashamed of even proposing a change like this with the actual state of the game. Queues empty, fleets deserted, bugs everywhere... and you come up with another grind? I really wish i could write here what i think of you but i'm already bordering the ban line with this post.
Get the game properly working, we have bugs that are years old, lag, game crashes, etc and you come up with another grind????. Stop inventing, stop developing new ideas of how to milk the playerbase, at this rate you'll have no playerbase at all in a few months. Get the game to work properly, fix the balance issues and BRING THE FUN BACK!, then you won't get such an angry response from the playerbase... we just don't believe you or trust on anything anymore. Do you want proof? Google this: Delta Rising is the best expansi
It's something they've been talking about for years...it was always supposed to be coming, it never did. It ended up being a joke of sorts. It got hot 'n heavy with it supposedly coming with X2 before X2 was named. Then it fell off again and was going to be an after DR thing but hopefully before S10 or maybe with S10. Which kind of put it back to joke status...
...but yeah, why bother with the reality of any of it when we could just make stuff up instead, eh? :rolleyes:
Ironically, a very common cherry-pick when people tried arguing how Cryptic never fulfills its "promises".
you have to be fing kidding me right? They figured out how to monetize BOFF training?
Next up will be sector-space fuel and system-map fuel! In order to travel X units of distance at Y speed you will need to spend (insert currency here) which can be converted from Zen! Once you run out of fuel your ship will move and maneuver at 1/17,194th speed until you buy more fuel.
It's Cryptic. Revamping stuff that is working just fine and making it worse in the process is what they do.
It would have been a trivial change to remove the issues with the current system regarding captain-trainable abilities and untradeable boffs by simply adding all the relevant abilities to the skill trainers. There was no need to monetise yet another part of the game.
If I understand this right, while some changes aren't needed but at least it makes some things easier...easier to find certain abilities.
Like for example...GW III...don't find many people who spec into grav gens...like take from my Human Sci who has 6 points in GG and give it to my Orion Eng for her Sarr Theln...it's hard enough to find someone who can train GW III...even harder on the KDF side.
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Do you honestly believe it's going to be cheap given the track record we've seen so far?
It surely doesn't read as expensive, but otherwise I don't need to believe anything. I can just wait until the costs are revealed and then express myself accordingly.
I will reserve my opinion until I see the amount of dil, mats to craft the manuals and the requirements are. As long as they don't mess with what my officers have now I am good . If they cut my legs out from under me like they did with the crafting system, then we are going to have a problem. Going from making Aegis to not being able to make a shield charge in 1 update didn't feel to good.
It won't have to cost you Dil to train a BOFF. It can cost you Dil. Or you can buy the book off the Exchange without using any Dil.
I have a feeling it will be a dil cost to apply the training, just as we see with tech upgrades you can buy off the market. Either way we need a lot more info before burning everything down. It's just easy to assume the worst given the current trends.
I've never attacked you? You're overly sensitive..? How come?
Maybe you should adjust your comfort zone... You tend to blow up in the face of anyone who disagrees with you.
And I agree... It dosen't make it a fan... However, I am afraid to make you even more upset if I continue to elaborate, so I won't.
^^ QFT. He's made his stance clear in 100% of all posts on this forum. He's a rabid fanboi that has knee-jerk and harsh reactions to anything he doesn't like.
I have a feeling it will be a dil cost to apply the training, just as we see with tech upgrades you can buy off the market. Either way we need a lot more info before burning everything down. It's just easy to assume the worst given the current trends.
The blog says that the training itself costs expertise, no mention of any other cost.
People who contribute nothing to the forums except "I love everything about the game" are as worthless as those who just hate everything about the game. I tend to just ignore both extreme trolly sides.
^^ QFT. He's made his stance clear in 100% of all posts on this forum. He's a rabid fanboi that has knee-jerk and harsh reactions to anything he doesn't like.
Well this was the first hostility that person has ever shown towards me... And for no apparent reason too..
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
you have to be fing kidding me right? They figured out how to monetize BOFF training?
Geko talked about his desire to monetise boff abilities and sell new ones even back in 2011(?) during a podcast and mentioned that the only thing preventing this at the time was the lack of technology to do it. Now they obviously have implemented the tech and will probably start selling new boff abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if we also see new boff abilites as part of lockboxes, just like traits.
Yep - D'Angelo left out the main theme of the PWE's directive to the STO Dev team in his recent Blog for 2015.
In short: "Monetize EVERYTHING!"
I also like the new policy of NOT posting an official announcement thread on the forums (notice how neither D'Angelo's Blog, nor the Boff training update Blog had a "Discuss this on the Forums"; meaning either Smirk is asleep at the CM wheel; or there's a new PWE directive NOT to officially put stuff like this up on the forums for fear of a negative reaction thread to the increased monetiztion aspect of everything Cryptic has revamped in STO of late.
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
People who contribute nothing to the forums except "I love everything about the game" are as worthless as those who just hate everything about the game. I tend to just ignore both extreme trolly sides.
Doesnt that leave about 5 posts a year to read :rolleyes:
Or it is a way to revamp a horrible and ancient game feature while keeping it in line with recent updates ? I know it's outlandish to suggest motives other than pure evil on Cryptics behalf, but c'mon !
I suppose... I just don't recall them mentioning it any time soon. Most things that don't get mentioned as pipe dreams every year or so are just flat-out ditched, as have so many potential ideas in the past. And... when you consider how most of their ideas are hampered by the ability to actually code their own game properly, and how most limitations are from the archaeic game engine? I figured the training revamp simply fell into that category, and was deleted from the "to-do" list.
I'm going to wait and see what this system is like first before I nerd rage. The fact that I don't have to spend another month or two leveling another crafting school is a big relief. But I have a feeling this update will break bridge officers. I would suggest finding ways to "back-up" your boffs now before the update hits. Save their appearances, de-equip them, have spares on the roster, etc. :P
So, we had something that was simple, worked fine, and required no Dil. Now we've got something needlessly complicated, we know will be bugged to hell, that does require Dilithium.
Just stop Cryptic. Seriously. Stop.
I've tried defending the game lately, but I think I'm over it at this point. The game is clearly moving in the wrong direction.
Yep - D'Angelo left out the main theme of the PWE's directive to the STO Dev team in his recent Blog for 2015.
In short: "Monetize EVERYTHING!"
I also like the new policy of NOT posting an official announcement thread on the forums (notice how neither D'Angelo's Blog, nor the Boff training update Blog had a "Discuss this on the Forums"; meaning either Smirk is asleep at the CM wheel; or there's a new PWE directive NOT to officially put stuff like this up on the forums for fear of a negative reaction thread to the increased monetiztion aspect of everything Cryptic has revamped in STO of late.
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
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It's something they've been talking about for years...it was always supposed to be coming, it never did. It ended up being a joke of sorts. It got hot 'n heavy with it supposedly coming with X2 before X2 was named. Then it fell off again and was going to be an after DR thing but hopefully before S10 or maybe with S10. Which kind of put it back to joke status...
...but yeah, why bother with the reality of any of it when we could just make stuff up instead, eh? :rolleyes:
Or it is a way to revamp a horrible and ancient game feature while keeping it in line with recent updates ? I know it's outlandish to suggest motives other than pure evil on Cryptics behalf, but c'mon !
So, one of the few things we had in the game that didn't cost dilithium now is going to cost dilithium... (or be a grind, but my experience says dilithium)
I wish i hadn't bought the DR pack and the intrepid pack recently... i would quit this game again, but this time i would never return back.
What are you guys at cryptic thinking??? Are you out of your minds??? I hope a big company buys you out and fire all of you. That's what you deserve.
I've been here since the game's closed beta, and i'm telling you... you have crossed the line many times but now... i better shut up.
You should really be ashamed of even proposing a change like this with the actual state of the game. Queues empty, fleets deserted, bugs everywhere... and you come up with another grind? I really wish i could write here what i think of you but i'm already bordering the ban line with this post.
Get the game properly working, we have bugs that are years old, lag, game crashes, etc and you come up with another grind????. Stop inventing, stop developing new ideas of how to milk the playerbase, at this rate you'll have no playerbase at all in a few months. Get the game to work properly, fix the balance issues and BRING THE FUN BACK!, then you won't get such an angry response from the playerbase... we just don't believe you or trust on anything anymore. Do you want proof? Google this: Delta Rising is the best expansi
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Next up will be sector-space fuel and system-map fuel! In order to travel X units of distance at Y speed you will need to spend (insert currency here) which can be converted from Zen! Once you run out of fuel your ship will move and maneuver at 1/17,194th speed until you buy more fuel.
I've never attacked you? You're overly sensitive..? How come?
Maybe you should adjust your comfort zone... You tend to blow up in the face of anyone who disagrees with you.
And I agree... It dosen't make it a fan... However, I am afraid to make you even more upset if I continue to elaborate, so I won't.
If I understand this right, while some changes aren't needed but at least it makes some things easier...easier to find certain abilities.
Like for example...GW III...don't find many people who spec into grav gens...like take from my Human Sci who has 6 points in GG and give it to my Orion Eng for her Sarr Theln...it's hard enough to find someone who can train GW III...even harder on the KDF side.
It surely doesn't read as expensive, but otherwise I don't need to believe anything. I can just wait until the costs are revealed and then express myself accordingly.
I have a feeling it will be a dil cost to apply the training, just as we see with tech upgrades you can buy off the market. Either way we need a lot more info before burning everything down. It's just easy to assume the worst given the current trends.
^^ QFT. He's made his stance clear in 100% of all posts on this forum. He's a rabid fanboi that has knee-jerk and harsh reactions to anything he doesn't like.
The blog says that the training itself costs expertise, no mention of any other cost.
Only question is how much it's going to cost to do so. The upgrade system was great too, but too expensive to level quality after reaching Mk XIV.
Since the launch of DR.
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Well this was the first hostility that person has ever shown towards me... And for no apparent reason too..
Yep - D'Angelo left out the main theme of the PWE's directive to the STO Dev team in his recent Blog for 2015.
In short: "Monetize EVERYTHING!"
I also like the new policy of NOT posting an official announcement thread on the forums (notice how neither D'Angelo's Blog, nor the Boff training update Blog had a "Discuss this on the Forums"; meaning either Smirk is asleep at the CM wheel; or there's a new PWE directive NOT to officially put stuff like this up on the forums for fear of a negative reaction thread to the increased monetiztion aspect of everything Cryptic has revamped in STO of late.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Does this mean we keep our current BOffs training that we worked so hard to achieve?
Or are we nerfed again having to start from scratch with nerfed BOffs?
Doesnt that leave about 5 posts a year to read :rolleyes:
I suppose... I just don't recall them mentioning it any time soon. Most things that don't get mentioned as pipe dreams every year or so are just flat-out ditched, as have so many potential ideas in the past. And... when you consider how most of their ideas are hampered by the ability to actually code their own game properly, and how most limitations are from the archaeic game engine? I figured the training revamp simply fell into that category, and was deleted from the "to-do" list.
You call what happened on the first page merely "disagreeing" with me?
And look at this post. THIS should be in my comfort zone? Really? That guy does it all the time. There's no excuse to attack anyone like that.
If you don't insult me, I have nothing at all against you.
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Yep - D'Angelo left out the main theme of the PWE's directive to the STO Dev team in his recent Blog for 2015.
In short: "Monetize EVERYTHING!"
I also like the new policy of NOT posting an official announcement thread on the forums (notice how neither D'Angelo's Blog, nor the Boff training update Blog had a "Discuss this on the Forums"; meaning either Smirk is asleep at the CM wheel; or there's a new PWE directive NOT to officially put stuff like this up on the forums for fear of a negative reaction thread to the increased monetiztion aspect of everything Cryptic has revamped in STO of late.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
I see that there is hope for you
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1) the emphasis on the word permanent, and;
2) the dill cost, and;
3) availability
The post needs clarification.
Am I the only one who's noticing that recent changes seem to be less group & community building, and more focused on an insular game?