That has nothing to do with your saying there wasn't a problem. Bringing up another perceived issue does not negate the other issue. There are folks complaining about the unknown Dil cost already just fine without saying there wasn't a problem with BOFF training...
Does it currently cost Dil for a captain to train a Boff? No.
Does it look like it will? Yes.
Did they give an example of it not costing Dil if you train your Boff yourself on the captain the Boff is bound to? No.
There's the problem.
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People don't sit around and complain if they don't like the food at a restaurant.
They get up and leave then they don't come back.
I guess maybe there are people who might sit in the lobby and rant. But it would be abnormal and likely not taken seriously.
So why are you sitting around and complaining in this thread, you hypocrite?
Actually they did mention the NPC trainers as selling Manuals for the skills they currently can train.
True, they also covered the career skills trainable by Captains. They just left out the skills that were only trainable by another Boff, unless I missed that in the blog.
My takeaway from the blog post, possibly incorrect, is that you'll have the ability to craft training manuals for any of your character's trainable skills which tend to be the rank 3 ones. So instead of traiding around BOffs to have someone else train them in a skill, you now have the much simpler training manuals so that even bound BOffs can be trained.
They didn't specifically mention the current trainer NPCs that I saw: I could see those being phased out (not a good thing IMO) or turned into low level training manual vendors.
They mentioned the current trainers specifically...um...seriously, folks - read what's actually there.
"The primary method for obtaining Training Manuals is to purchase them from any of the current bridge officer training officers, who now will sell the manuals.
Any ability that was previously trainable will have a Training Manual available for purchase.
The other method in which players can obtain Training Manuals for the higher ranked abilities is to craft them in the new Officer Training crafting school."
"Many of the higher ranking Training Manuals will not be for sale at the bridge officer trainer.
Players will need to craft those manuals in the new Officer Training school.
Unlike the other crafting schools, the Officer Training school does not need to be leveled in order to unlock the recipes.
In fact this school has no experience associated with it at all; players either have the recipes unlocked or they dont."
"The Training Manuals for any Specialization can still be purchased from the bridge officer trainers, with the exception of higher ranking abilities and the Specialization Manual itself.
All Specialization Manuals must be crafted.
To unlock the recipe for crafting a Specialization Manual players must have spent 10 skill points within the desired specialization.
To unlock the additional higher ranking ability recipes, players must spend around 20 skill points within the desired specialization."
The crafting will involve the higher level abilities - the Captain trainable stuff...and the higher level Specialization stuff.
BOFFs will have their books. Trainers will have their books.
They're providing a way for folks to train the high stuff from Careers other than what they are and for Specializations other than one has unlocked the training for themselves.
While this does sound nice, I do have to agree with the OP on the Dilithium part. The game is already overly monetized IMO. Adding more isn't helping the problem. It's very sad to see the game moving in this direction.
I would like to see the actual dillithium costs before making any judgement on that.
For one, it's a boff *Trait* system we needed, not a heavily monetized boff training system.
For two, I fear the cost will be similar to what we see in the Upgreed system: aka, it will be outrageously expensive to train your boffs with anything good.
For three, this will *guaranteed* break the (already broken) loadout system.
For four, I can already tell you upfront, Geko, I'm not going to buy any skill back my boffs already had.
TBF the current systems an aboslute feck up so anythings an improvement.. I cant really see it costing super duper amounts of dill unless you want every single thing in the book on one Boff and oif you do thats just a bit :rolleyes:
If it does cost silly amounts though just to train the obvious retrains we could do now for free then yeah thats a bit of a cash grab - but then again someone has to pay for this new sh** I suppose
Lets see the costs first.. One things a definite the current system is Cra*
Stop picking on orange. He/She is right. Look if you don't want it you don't have to spend anything. Obviously there is a demand for this. Anyone who takes an opposite or different opinion is an idiot I have seen this kindergarden mentality before here. Truth is all of you whine so much it is sicking! Everyone wants something for nothing but that doesn't happen in life. Change can hurt but that is also a part of life. I suggest you learn to adapt. Resistance is futile!!
For one, it's a boff *Trait* system we needed, not a heavily monetized boff training system.
For two, I fear the cost will be similar to what we see in the Upgreed system: aka, it will be outrageously expensive to train your boffs with anything good.
For three, this will *guaranteed* break the (already broken) loadout system.
For four, I can already tell you upfront, Geko, I'm not going to buy any skill back my boffs already had.
Is it though ? We have no clue what the costs will be.....
Does it currently cost Dil for a captain to train a Boff? No.
Does it look like it will? Yes.
Did they give an example of it not costing Dil if you train your Boff yourself on the captain the Boff is bound to? No.
There's the problem.
It won't have to cost you Dil to train a BOFF. It can cost you Dil. Or you can buy the book off the Exchange without using any Dil.
And even if you do use the Dil, it's a one time cost - since the BOFF can always select that ability even if you select another. You don't have to keep retraining the BOFF.
And still, you don't even need the Dil to do it if you don't have the Dil for it - you can buy it off the Exchange or trade with somebody...that does have it.
If people spent a tenth of the time reading as they do typing, they wouldn't type complaints about things that were already explained...it just shows they don't freaking read.
As I said elsewhere, I'm cautiously pessimistic. :P
For one, it's a boff *Trait* system we needed, not a heavily monetized boff training system.
For two, I fear the cost will be similar to what we see in the Upgreed system: aka, it will be outrageously expensive to train your boffs with anything good.
For three, this will *guaranteed* break the (already broken) loadout system.
For four, I can already tell you upfront, Geko, I'm not going to buy any skill back my boffs already had.
Stop picking on orange. He/She is right. Look if you don't want it you don't have to spend anything. Obviously there is a demand for this. Anyone who takes an opposite or different opinion is an idiot I have seen this kindergarden mentality before here. Truth is all of you whine so much it is sicking! Everyone wants something for nothing but that doesn't happen in life. Change can hurt but that is also a part of life. I suggest you learn to adapt. Resistance is futile!!
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Basically, if you can train a level 3 tac skill for example you can now make the manual for it and use it or sell it. You won't be able to make a manual for GW3 if you can't train it. But you can buy it on the exchange instead of trying to find someone to train an unbound boff for you.
All in all it seems unnecessary to me but I guess it's a slight improvement. I can upgrade a GW2 to a GW3 on one character.
Perhaps we could craft manuals with one alt and transfer it to another, from tactical to engineering or science alt and vice versa.
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I wonder if this is fallout from the mass exodus? There aren't any players on anymore that will offer to cross-train, because most of the altruistic ones have packed up and quit. Also, the fiasco that is Romulan boffs, needing a fed-allied rom who also has an active purple fed boff as well as an active purple rom boff just to cross-train a fed, or similar nonsense... It was tough to train these before, and now is just impossible to find anybody who can train for you because everybody who COULD has left.
To me it seems like this is a way to bypass the lack of other players -- since it's pulling teeth to train a lvl3 skill of a different class than yourself -- and to charge dil for it while they're at it just because they want zen sales...
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Does it currently cost Dil for a captain to train a Boff? No.
Does it look like it will? Yes.
Did they give an example of it not costing Dil if you train your Boff yourself on the captain the Boff is bound to? No.
There's the problem.
So why are you sitting around and complaining in this thread, you hypocrite?
No it didn't. It's a hell to put together a crew for a new captain. Just try it sometimes.
True, they also covered the career skills trainable by Captains. They just left out the skills that were only trainable by another Boff, unless I missed that in the blog.
And what reason was there to quote me?
Sitting in the lobby complaining about the complainers is perfectly normal.
Somehow.
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They mentioned the current trainers specifically...um...seriously, folks - read what's actually there.
"The primary method for obtaining Training Manuals is to purchase them from any of the current bridge officer training officers, who now will sell the manuals.
Any ability that was previously trainable will have a Training Manual available for purchase.
The other method in which players can obtain Training Manuals for the higher ranked abilities is to craft them in the new Officer Training crafting school."
"Many of the higher ranking Training Manuals will not be for sale at the bridge officer trainer.
Players will need to craft those manuals in the new Officer Training school.
Unlike the other crafting schools, the Officer Training school does not need to be leveled in order to unlock the recipes.
In fact this school has no experience associated with it at all; players either have the recipes unlocked or they dont."
"The Training Manuals for any Specialization can still be purchased from the bridge officer trainers, with the exception of higher ranking abilities and the Specialization Manual itself.
All Specialization Manuals must be crafted.
To unlock the recipe for crafting a Specialization Manual players must have spent 10 skill points within the desired specialization.
To unlock the additional higher ranking ability recipes, players must spend around 20 skill points within the desired specialization."
The crafting will involve the higher level abilities - the Captain trainable stuff...and the higher level Specialization stuff.
BOFFs will have their books. Trainers will have their books.
They're providing a way for folks to train the high stuff from Careers other than what they are and for Specializations other than one has unlocked the training for themselves.
I would like to see the actual dillithium costs before making any judgement on that.
For one, it's a boff *Trait* system we needed, not a heavily monetized boff training system.
For two, I fear the cost will be similar to what we see in the Upgreed system: aka, it will be outrageously expensive to train your boffs with anything good.
For three, this will *guaranteed* break the (already broken) loadout system.
For four, I can already tell you upfront, Geko, I'm not going to buy any skill back my boffs already had.
YES and Cryptic will LOVE it. Spend copious Dilithium, EC, crafting mats...and ENJOY it.
IMO I will wait and see..neutral on this one yet.
If it does cost silly amounts though just to train the obvious retrains we could do now for free then yeah thats a bit of a cash grab - but then again someone has to pay for this new sh** I suppose
Lets see the costs first.. One things a definite the current system is Cra*
Now thats just strange...
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Is it though ? We have no clue what the costs will be.....
It won't have to cost you Dil to train a BOFF. It can cost you Dil. Or you can buy the book off the Exchange without using any Dil.
And even if you do use the Dil, it's a one time cost - since the BOFF can always select that ability even if you select another. You don't have to keep retraining the BOFF.
And still, you don't even need the Dil to do it if you don't have the Dil for it - you can buy it off the Exchange or trade with somebody...that does have it.
If people spent a tenth of the time reading as they do typing, they wouldn't type complaints about things that were already explained...it just shows they don't freaking read.
For one, it's a boff *Trait* system we needed, not a heavily monetized boff training system.
For two, I fear the cost will be similar to what we see in the Upgreed system: aka, it will be outrageously expensive to train your boffs with anything good.
For three, this will *guaranteed* break the (already broken) loadout system.
For four, I can already tell you upfront, Geko, I'm not going to buy any skill back my boffs already had.
Do you really want this dark empty hole?
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The minors issues that it have, it can be fixed with out adding the dil sink!
Also, if we compear the system with others, belive me.. is working fine by STO standars (cof cof.. pvp, foundry, xp lvling, loadouts, and so on).
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I don't have alot... A dark empty hole is actually alot for me.
Geko is a clue. :P
To me it seems like this is a way to bypass the lack of other players -- since it's pulling teeth to train a lvl3 skill of a different class than yourself -- and to charge dil for it while they're at it just because they want zen sales...
Seriously, what do you have against me? I'm asking anyone who has ever attacked/ad hominem'd me.
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