Well then, the community gave you one : Doff XP reward are the same than before. Meaning you need 3 times more Doff missions for the same relative amount of XP.
I just checked, and missions that gave me 1202xp in the past (lvl60) still give me the same amount of XP. I don't have the exact amount for the other missions, but they look to reward the same than before, at least it's not 3times more (missions that used to reward 100ish are not rewarding 300ish right now).
Are you talking about the actual received reward or the listed reward?
Previously we had not been actually receiving the listed reward, but one that had been scaled down. Don't know how it is currently.
Congradulations, you got your wish. Your math is completely wrong. You win one internet!
First, before and after the patch, the SP cost per level changed every level. That is, the costs were not static from 50-55 as you mentioned. Here are the actual numbers:
Sorcery was done here
So this missions award slightly more proportionally to the increase in SP. Each mission will vary slightly because math.
All these numbers were just double checked in data and in game and appear accurate from our end.
Now I dont know if you are considering SP from critter kills. That is certainly going to vary greatly if you kill a lot of critters versus another with few critters (and the Delta Patrols vary greatly and each time you play many of them generate a random number of waves). But remember critters also received an increase in proportion to the new requirements.
To be clear, player progression should be the same now as it was before. In fact, Starship Mastery will be faster since critter ships award a lot more SP and Starship Master requirement did not go up.
The main reason this change was made was there were odd discrepancies at each level causing some rewards (critter kill, doff assignments, and missions) to be lower at higher levels. The change fixes that. I give you my word no one is trying to pull a fast one on the community. It is entirely possible there is a bug we are unaware of. If there is, we will find it and fix it.
I hope this clears things up.
Very Best Regards,
LLAP,
-Al Captain Geko Rivera
I appreciate you taking the time to try and quell some of our fears. Threads like this which go on for a long time without any feedback are always a source of tension for both sides I'd guess.
What you've stated, in figures, makes a lot more sense than what was in the OP to be fair. I think the OP was overly 'cryptic' about what the actual figures were and we're all figure junkies at the end of the day because that's what we live by; "how many more points do I need to complete this damned specialisation tree so I can move to an alt".
We'll just have to see how this pans out, as we'll all no doubt be checking every single mission we run to see exactly what we're getting. And I'm sure/hopeful you'll be checking too just in case some extra zeros are missing or something.
On a side note, not sure why people are giving you beef about being 'snarky'. Perhaps they didn't notice how 'snarky' all of us were being and probably will be again before the end of this thread. I know I for one made a few.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
Just ran the cure found Advanced with my fleet and ended with 1204sp pretty sure that is the same thing we pulled from it yesterday...
Additionally each kill seemed to be dropping the same amount of exp, so not sure what sorcery is going on here but from the first match of the night yeah......
The fire was burning anyway. And it showed absolutely no signs of ever stopping. It's an eternal fire. Like the fires of Chimera Mountain in Lycia. People routinely and shamelessly treat various people at Cryptic like dirt. They aren't going to stop. If they were, they would have done so a long time ago.
There now! It doesn't become Geko to be cast in the victim role! He publically called our forumites 'morons' one day (and I vivivdly remember you agreeing with him, btw). That's a faux pax one can difficultly recover from. Put the responsibility for that where it lies, with Mr. Rivera himself. No matter how much of a jerk people are, you simply can't call your customers names. Like ever.
Not meaning to lord this misstep over him for ever, btw; but just saying, people are (rightfully) very sensitive about him being snarkly at us.
Fair enough. I simply believe that Mr. Rivera is obeying a modified version of the golden rule. Treat people on the forums as they have proven to treat you.
That is also not a very wise thing to do in his position. Simply put: noblesse oblige. He's a major Cryptic Dev: he's supposed to uphold certain professional business standards.
So mission-complete reward is boosted.
Thing is kills in the mission and doff-jobs didn't get boosted 3x, so this is a big xp nerv.
Then Geko comment that we are wrong, wth is he trolling us ?
With he comments you can see that he don't play this game or he would never make a stupid remark like he did. The +25 kills and +25 doff-jobs are nerved, but the 1 mission-reward is buffed !!!
I still lose +50 * xp. I was already playing less, now im getting depressed.. Its time for some thing other to do, you lost again a player that was herer from the beginning.
The fire was burning anyway. And it showed absolutely no signs of ever stopping. It's an eternal fire. Like the fires of Chimera Mountain in Lycia. People routinely and shamelessly treat various people at Cryptic like dirt. They aren't going to stop. If they were, they would have done so a long time ago.
Yes, and you are correct. However stooping to that level denigrates the message, and comes across as just as silly or infantile as the others. It doesn't do anything except make a bad situation worse.
EDIT: Also, he did apologize, which is more than I expected. So there is that. He's not completely classless.
I saw that...and approve of him in that regard. It can be difficult to bend or apologize, especially in the face of hostility most especially entrenched hostility(the forums are rampaging ahead of my ability to respond in time.:P )
I'm not trying to start a fight with you Iconians or any player...I think it would be benefit us all to some degree if we presented a united front. I also realize that's far easier said than done.
I guess I'm just tired, and throwing those last few punches a person throws before admitting defeat. I used to live in the STF ques., I've spent far more hours playing this game than is healthy, I've spent money I probably shouldn't have to make the game easier or more enjoyable and now I'm (and I imagine I'm not the only one) having to come to terms with the fact this game is no longer something I can participate in.
I think it's human nature to rage at the loss of hope.
I really don't understand the player base. XP was nerfed. Kills award, proportionately, less xp. DOFFing rewards less xp. The only communication on the issue is unpleasant and principally ignores it. Why doesn't this bother people? Is it just that the folks bothered by such things have largely already left? Is it that the forum goers are desperate for any interaction with devs in a game where it seems as if there is little to no interest in interacting with players, testing changes, or attempting to ascertain what is fun about the game?
I think it's human nature to rage at the loss of hope.
This, and everything you wrote above... +1.
Almost have tears in my eyes now. Hell yes, I am emotional right now.
This game was a huge part of my life for the past years, as pathetic as it may sound to some... I can't help but feeling beaten by the devs time and time again. It's like they want me out of this game at all cost. And that does hurt.
And I am projecting all of it on Mr. Rivera. For me, he is the face of evil right now. Of course that's not fair at all. It's just how I am feeling. Sigh....
If you weren't paying attention, the time for that has started when DR hit. And most things the devs have done since DR's release only warrants more of it.
By the way, if any of you can stop crying long enough to see through your tears:
Doff assignments, which have been giving less than listed xp, are now giving more than listed xp.
Have you LOOKED at how much XPs are required for every level, every Post 60 specialization point?
You do realize that the devs nerfed the DOFFing XPs not long after DR hit, and only now are bringing it back to where it originally was. As someone else mentioned, yes, they upped the instance completion XP reward, but everything else is still pretty much the same. Then you LOOK at the XPs required to level, and go, "WTF mate?"
If you weren't paying attention, the time for that has started when DR hit. And most things the devs have done since DR's release only warrants more of it.
I've been stocking up though, I'm a hoarder.
Hey I just vaped you, and this is crazy;
But here's my frequency, so hail me maybe?
Q: What does "There is no spoon" mean?
A: The spoon exists only in the Matrix, which really means it doesn't exist. It's a lesson for Neo, to help him realize that manipulating the Matrix isn't about focusing on an object and trying to change it. The object doesn't exist, so he can't change it, he has to change himself. Metaphorically, it's all in his head.
I'm not trying to start a fight with you Iconians or any player...I think it would be benefit us all to some degree if we presented a united front. I also realize that's far easier said than done.
I guess I'm just tired, and throwing those last few punches a person throws before admitting defeat. I used to live in the STF ques., I've spent far more hours playing this game than is healthy, I've spent money I probably shouldn't have to make the game easier or more enjoyable and now I'm (and I imagine I'm not the only one) having to come to terms with the fact this game is no longer something I can participate in.
I think it's human nature to rage at the loss of hope.
I see it more as a self-fulfilling prophecy than a loss of hope. I see it speeding up a loss of hope by burning yourself out and getting all your emotional energy spent at once before any sort of concessions can be made.
If there is any hope for positive, meaningful change and concessions, it is through removing your emotion and personal investment out of the equation.
But I think you already know that. So all I am seeing, is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You want to be hopeless, so you look for ways (either consciously or subconsciously) to make sure you remain hopeless.
Cure found Normal seems to be slightly higher with final reward at 1204 but that is maybe a 50% increase from before compared to the 3x increase the exp req went up.
If we do any more runs tonight, I will make a list of all the reward exp, as it is though
By the way, if any of you can stop crying long enough to see through your tears:
Doff assignments, which have been giving less than listed xp, are now giving more than listed xp.
Not 300% more. It's somewhere around 140%
And since these are small numbers compared to the 150,000 per level. It pretty much kills doffing for experience.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
This, and everything you wrote above... +1.
Almost have tears in my eyes now. Hell yes, I am emotional right now.
This game was a huge part of my life for the past years, as pathetic as it may sound to some... I can't help but feeling beaten by the devs time and time again. It's like they want me out of this game at all cost. And that does hurt.
And I am projecting all of it on Mr. Rivera. For me, he is the face of evil right now. Of course that's not fair at all. It's just how I am feeling. Sigh....
Yeah, teardrops on my guitar, and all that.
Is Mr. Rivera the face of evil for me? Sometimes, when I'm angry, yes. Overall, though, I'm more perplexed, really, why they constantly feel this very negative, punitive drive towards nerfing everything. I get it when it involves taking away mission rewards; but I can't, for the life of me, fathom why they're so obsessed with slowing ppl down. They think I'm gonna stop playing when I filled my Specialization tree or something?!
Sometimes I wish I could look inside the head of a marketing person. On second thought, I better not.
And since these are small numbers compared to the 150,000 per level. It pretty much kills doffing for experience.
Pretty much their metrics probably show them that since DR they have had their biggest decline in numbers of people grinding. So first thing the only reason for this increase is most likely to try to get people to try to go to lvl 60. Although they have forced grinds on us for so long that most of us have all dialed back into very little time into this game because of it being the biggest grind to ever hit the game but they say oh we never intended it to be this way(I call BS).
I was a hard core grinding person for a long time but with the doffing nerfs, the doffing system itself put in slow motion to where I don't have time to sit around waiting on so many characters w ith 20 assignments to wait for them to all complete, and then a grind so long that I would never ever ever get to my alts much less finish my main characters... The line had to be drawn to the point if I login I don't doff, I don't grind xp, I don't play any of these story missions with DR any more had enough of them so I might do crafting xp and maybe 1 mission if I am feeling it so in the end its just made me not want to play this game like I used to because the enjoyment is sucked out of the game with DR.
Edit: As far as that face its not an evil face its the face of a person waiting in the unemployment line.
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Are you talking about the actual received reward or the listed reward?
Previously we had not been actually receiving the listed reward, but one that had been scaled down. Don't know how it is currently.
i appreciate this. And *my* apologies for misreading your post.
Wow. That sucks. It went downward!
Are we really happy now that we weren't also insulted after being lied to?
I respect you for standing by your convictions.
I appreciate you taking the time to try and quell some of our fears. Threads like this which go on for a long time without any feedback are always a source of tension for both sides I'd guess.
What you've stated, in figures, makes a lot more sense than what was in the OP to be fair. I think the OP was overly 'cryptic' about what the actual figures were and we're all figure junkies at the end of the day because that's what we live by; "how many more points do I need to complete this damned specialisation tree so I can move to an alt".
We'll just have to see how this pans out, as we'll all no doubt be checking every single mission we run to see exactly what we're getting. And I'm sure/hopeful you'll be checking too just in case some extra zeros are missing or something.
On a side note, not sure why people are giving you beef about being 'snarky'. Perhaps they didn't notice how 'snarky' all of us were being and probably will be again before the end of this thread. I know I for one made a few.
Additionally each kill seemed to be dropping the same amount of exp, so not sure what sorcery is going on here but from the first match of the night yeah......
All the nerfs are belong to us.
There now! It doesn't become Geko to be cast in the victim role! He publically called our forumites 'morons' one day (and I vivivdly remember you agreeing with him, btw). That's a faux pax one can difficultly recover from. Put the responsibility for that where it lies, with Mr. Rivera himself. No matter how much of a jerk people are, you simply can't call your customers names. Like ever.
Not meaning to lord this misstep over him for ever, btw; but just saying, people are (rightfully) very sensitive about him being snarkly at us.
That is also not a very wise thing to do in his position. Simply put: noblesse oblige. He's a major Cryptic Dev: he's supposed to uphold certain professional business standards.
Anyway, the man apologized, so it's all good.
Thing is kills in the mission and doff-jobs didn't get boosted 3x, so this is a big xp nerv.
Then Geko comment that we are wrong, wth is he trolling us ?
With he comments you can see that he don't play this game or he would never make a stupid remark like he did. The +25 kills and +25 doff-jobs are nerved, but the 1 mission-reward is buffed !!!
I still lose +50 * xp. I was already playing less, now im getting depressed.. Its time for some thing other to do, you lost again a player that was herer from the beginning.
No you can't have my stuf.
I use to get ~200 exp at 60 from kazon carriers, now I get ~365 exp from the same critter at the same lvl.
That is NOT 300% in my math book.
Yes, and you are correct. However stooping to that level denigrates the message, and comes across as just as silly or infantile as the others. It doesn't do anything except make a bad situation worse.
I saw that...and approve of him in that regard. It can be difficult to bend or apologize, especially in the face of hostility most especially entrenched hostility(the forums are rampaging ahead of my ability to respond in time.:P )
I'm not trying to start a fight with you Iconians or any player...I think it would be benefit us all to some degree if we presented a united front. I also realize that's far easier said than done.
I guess I'm just tired, and throwing those last few punches a person throws before admitting defeat. I used to live in the STF ques., I've spent far more hours playing this game than is healthy, I've spent money I probably shouldn't have to make the game easier or more enjoyable and now I'm (and I imagine I'm not the only one) having to come to terms with the fact this game is no longer something I can participate in.
I think it's human nature to rage at the loss of hope.
Would you recommend STO to a friend?
Exactly. XP required went up. Mission reward went up. Kill XP went up but by not as much. Net result: nerf.
So... pitchforks and torches time?
But here's my frequency, so hail me maybe?
This, and everything you wrote above... +1.
Almost have tears in my eyes now. Hell yes, I am emotional right now.
This game was a huge part of my life for the past years, as pathetic as it may sound to some... I can't help but feeling beaten by the devs time and time again. It's like they want me out of this game at all cost. And that does hurt.
And I am projecting all of it on Mr. Rivera. For me, he is the face of evil right now. Of course that's not fair at all. It's just how I am feeling. Sigh....
Doff assignments, which have been giving less than listed xp, are now giving more than listed xp.
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If you weren't paying attention, the time for that has started when DR hit. And most things the devs have done since DR's release only warrants more of it.
Have you LOOKED at how much XPs are required for every level, every Post 60 specialization point?
You do realize that the devs nerfed the DOFFing XPs not long after DR hit, and only now are bringing it back to where it originally was. As someone else mentioned, yes, they upped the instance completion XP reward, but everything else is still pretty much the same. Then you LOOK at the XPs required to level, and go, "WTF mate?"
I've been stocking up though, I'm a hoarder.
But here's my frequency, so hail me maybe?
I love the forums, they love to be jerks, but when a DEV is a jerk back it's like Woah to far dude lol
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So I apologize for my comment made in response to Iconians post.
I don't apologize for deeply criticizing the decisions you've made and the disgust I feel at the direction you've taken this game however.
Would you recommend STO to a friend?
I see it more as a self-fulfilling prophecy than a loss of hope. I see it speeding up a loss of hope by burning yourself out and getting all your emotional energy spent at once before any sort of concessions can be made.
If there is any hope for positive, meaningful change and concessions, it is through removing your emotion and personal investment out of the equation.
But I think you already know that. So all I am seeing, is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You want to be hopeless, so you look for ways (either consciously or subconsciously) to make sure you remain hopeless.
If we do any more runs tonight, I will make a list of all the reward exp, as it is though
All the nerfs are belong to us.
Not 300% more. It's somewhere around 140%
And since these are small numbers compared to the 150,000 per level. It pretty much kills doffing for experience.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Yeah, teardrops on my guitar, and all that.
Is Mr. Rivera the face of evil for me? Sometimes, when I'm angry, yes. Overall, though, I'm more perplexed, really, why they constantly feel this very negative, punitive drive towards nerfing everything. I get it when it involves taking away mission rewards; but I can't, for the life of me, fathom why they're so obsessed with slowing ppl down. They think I'm gonna stop playing when I filled my Specialization tree or something?!
Sometimes I wish I could look inside the head of a marketing person. On second thought, I better not.
Pretty much their metrics probably show them that since DR they have had their biggest decline in numbers of people grinding. So first thing the only reason for this increase is most likely to try to get people to try to go to lvl 60. Although they have forced grinds on us for so long that most of us have all dialed back into very little time into this game because of it being the biggest grind to ever hit the game but they say oh we never intended it to be this way(I call BS).
I was a hard core grinding person for a long time but with the doffing nerfs, the doffing system itself put in slow motion to where I don't have time to sit around waiting on so many characters w ith 20 assignments to wait for them to all complete, and then a grind so long that I would never ever ever get to my alts much less finish my main characters... The line had to be drawn to the point if I login I don't doff, I don't grind xp, I don't play any of these story missions with DR any more had enough of them so I might do crafting xp and maybe 1 mission if I am feeling it so in the end its just made me not want to play this game like I used to because the enjoyment is sucked out of the game with DR.
Edit: As far as that face its not an evil face its the face of a person waiting in the unemployment line.
I always picture people in Marketing as being like Lionel Hutz.
"If there's one thing America needs, it's more people in Marketing. Can you imagine a world without Marketing?"
*shudder*
I recognize their necessity in any company, just like lawyers... but I still think they're scum more often than not. :P