Nice. Another classic, iconic design that will make the game better for it. Good work on the ship model, what I've seen so far looks excellent.
That got me thinking.....exploring the unknowns of the Delta Quadrant with an overworked, underpowered vessel that was always on the verge of flying apart could be fun in a sense.
I have to say, I kinda like the ship. I have an alt that is flying the Mirror Heavy Cruiser Retrofit. I'm not sure I'd use the exact model, but I like to make my own kitbashes and tend to stay clear of using just one of the preset looks. So I might end up using a piece here or there.
With that said, I won't be getting this ship for 2 reasons.
Number one is that my character flying the Mirror T5 version will have to be switching ships since Mirror ships aren't available to be upgraded to T5-U. I fly the Mirror ships because I like the look, and while that will still be possible after the expansion I would like to be able to upgrade them. Since I can't, well, what's the point. I have loads of other C-Store ships that can be upgraded.
The second reason is very closely related to the first. I can't even consider buying it since I now need to hold on to what Zen I have in order to upgrade my T5 ships to T5-U.
I didn't expect the upgrade process to be free. However, I didn't expect it to be Zen. I figured a good chunk of Dilithium, EC and Expertise and maybe having to run some missions to 'unlock' the ability to upgrade in the first place.
I'm not upset that they went the Zen route since it makes a sort of sense. After all, it basically seems like the Fleet Module system to me. Buy the C-Store ship, upgrade it to fleet status for a $5 module. While I'm not mad, it has put a stop on any further Zen purchases, either buying Zen itself or spending it for C-Store items, at least until pricing for the upgrade is locked in* and T6 ship details are released.
Maybe even until the (inevitable) Delta Rising bundle is announced and pricing for that is known as well.
*Word is going around saying that the $5-$10 is per ship, and apparently that doesn't include the 3 ship bundles. So each of the 3 Kumari, Odyssey, Vesta and others will cost between $15-$30, IF the price point stands as it currently is. After all, sometimes a Tac Captain may want to fly the Tac Vesta, while a Sci Captain may want to fly the Sci Vesta.
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Yeah, though the Fleet version will be able to be upgraded to T5-FU (because they don't have a separate identifier for Fleet Upgrade as opposed to standard Upgrade, I made up my own :P). The Mirror Universe ships will become the equivalent of T4 ships... good for leveling that chunk of the game, then left in the Shipyard for item storage. Fleet versions of a lot of the Mirror Universe ships would be great, but that's a no-go for now.
Of course, if it had something at T5-U/T5-FU/T6 that didn't require four Fleet Ship Modules per character and a further upgrade to T5-FU shortly thereafter I'd be much more interested; this falls into the same category as many of the KDF Fleet ships without an available FSM discount. The ship costume is awfully nice, though.
If it jumps you a "good distance forward" and grants you ambush damage bonus......isn't that counter productive if warps you out of targeting range?
I was thinking this too, especially with a cruiser. Stealing the console for use on an Escort or Destroyer that can actually come about after jumping past its target would probably be more useful than keeping it on its original ship. Then again, that's mostly the point of T1-4 (possibly T1-5 soon).
it came out exactly like i predicted, glad to see it finally available. only thing i was surprised by was the universal ENS on the fleet heavy, what a nice little surprise.
but then i think, again, to the galaxy R. with its inferior console line up to this, inferior turn rate to this, with its NEED of a universal ENS more then any other ship in the entire game. but once again, like the galaxy X, another ship with a connection to the galaxy class gets a universal ENS that wile nice, it doesn't need. wile the galaxy R goes on intentionally being terrible.
in the cruelest irony of all, picard's old dilapidated hunk of junk is twice the ship in game that his second command, the flagship of the federation, is. the ship class that was most powerful and flexible until the end of canon in the entire federation, remains the most broken and flawed ship in game. all the wile barring the cross of the galaxy X, forcing it into such a position because the X just HAS to be better, wile barley being any good it self.
if you could just give a fleet ship a universal ENS this WHOLE FREAKING TIME, why the hell haven't you given the galaxy R one? if you haven't noticed, we have been pleading for you to takes the tiniest action for years to make this ships actually playable. wile it deserves more, we will take this small thing gladly.
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Don't Feddies already have this console? And if you don't why are people buying the ship for the console? The cross-faction KDF subspace jump does the same thing, doesn't it?
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Don't Feddies already have this console? And if you don't why are people buying the ship for the console? The cross-faction KDF subspace jump does the same thing, doesn't it?
Not quite. The Subspace Jumper has the advantage of always placing you behind and facing your target, but lacks the ambush bonus the Warp Burst Capacitor provides.
[EDIT] Has anyone tested the Warp Burst Capacitor with a Reman to see if the ambush duration is increased? I know from my own testing that the Romulan/Reman traits don't help with Mask Energy Signature, which is too bad, but what about this actual ambush bonus?
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I'd be interested in buying the T3 version just for the console, sooner or later, depending on how it actually performs.
Probably won't bother until it's on sale in a few months.
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So, CBS said yes to this 4 Nacelle kitbash monstrosity (hey, they needed a quick old ship for the TNG Season one episode "The Battle") getting a T5 and Fleet variant (which we saw in two episodes, total); the STO lore states it's a 125 year old design too...
yet CBS still won't okay the STAR TREK 'hero ship' design that started it all (IE the Starship Class/Constitution Class) -- the original 1701 U.S.S. Enterprise as a T5 (or T6) variant to this day.
Somebody at the CBS 'Star Trek' licensing department really needs to pull their head out of their posterior.
the constellation actually has much more cause to be tier 5 useable. first of all, its 3 times the size of the constitution, actually operated in the mid 24th century, and is probably just 100 years old, not 125. it was probably built out of decommissioned constitution parts after they began phasing them out in 2393, to explain why the constellation looks like 3 connie saucers stacked on each other, attached to 4 connie nacelles.
So i have the Constellation together with the Fleet Cruiser (4 Fleet modules is quite a lot). And i think it is a great ship with great looks and also great performance. Not T5.5 but rathr normal T5 but it can be used in STFs. The phaser banks look great (wish they would put those canon ones on the Connie and the Excelsior)
But 2 minor flaws:
1. I have no idea where the Aft Beam emitters are. i see where the beam is coming from but there is nothing
2. THe impulse Engines do not glow.
But other than that i am happy i bought the Stargazer
A bit disappointed that there were no hanger slots on it. Would have been a great opportunity to introduce the Galileo refit shuttles.
Looks beautiful as always though, I'll probably grab one as soon as the Zen market stabilizes (whenever that might be)
I hope at some point they dome out with that 'space away team' thing that has been mentioned on occasion. I'd love to be flying around an Ambassador class leading a constellation and excelsior for some TOS-movie era goodness.
I personally do not have strong feelings one way or the other on the Constellation (Excelsior fan here) but I do know a lot of people were looking forward to having it in the game, so I'm happy for them.
ya with those nacelles, not sure i care for all the red added to them. wile the red was added were it didn't belong, the 4 connie refit style impulse engines are just grayed out. reminds me of the steamrunner, that eventually got at the corrected option added to it, this just oght to be fixed.
with the addition of the nice material 6 to the heavy, i was hoping that the big hole when you pair up the cheyenne 'hull' and stargazer 'top pylon' would have been closed, but thats still there. and the dakota and star gazer nacelles still aren't mirrored like the nacelles on the Prometheus are. would love to see these things fixed on the heavy
Yeah, noticed that too. I guess they decided to go with the Hathaway, where it didn't show impulse glow.
And surprised there is no blue force field on the front as well.
Im not so excited abot the Constellation itself, but i like the Heavy Cruiser very much.
The Constellations nacelles are a wonderful addition to my main characters Flagship.
Although i have the fleet version of the Heavy Cruiser, i prefer to fly the Mirror HC, because of its BOFF layout. That uni ensign it got today isn't worth the time they may have spend on changing it IMO.
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it came out exactly like i predicted, glad to see it finally available. only thing i was surprised by was the universal ENS on the fleet heavy, what a nice little surprise.
but then i think, again, to the galaxy R. with its inferior console line up to this, inferior turn rate to this, with its NEED of a universal ENS more then any other ship in the entire game. but once again, like the galaxy X, another ship with a connection to the galaxy class gets a universal ENS that wile nice, it doesn't need. wile the galaxy R goes on intentionally being terrible.
in the cruelest irony of all, picard's old dilapidated hunk of junk is twice the ship in game that his second command, the flagship of the federation, is. the ship class that was most powerful and flexible until the end of canon in the entire federation, remains the most broken and flawed ship in game. all the wile barring the cross of the galaxy X, forcing it into such a position because the X just HAS to be better, wile barley being any good it self.
if you could just give a fleet ship a universal ENS this WHOLE FREAKING TIME, why the hell haven't you given the galaxy R one? if you haven't noticed, we have been pleading for you to takes the tiniest action for years to make this ships actually playable. wile it deserves more, we will take this small thing gladly.
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Thanks for the Constellation class. And making it a version at T3 so its a cheap way to get the look.
I have the Mirror version instead investing in a huge amount for a ship. So know I should able to make one at T5. Or use some of the parts to make my ship look interesting.
The warp burst move will be very nice. And I can use it as well. Well time to farm up Dil for purchase.
For the ones who saying they won't buy it. Thanks as it will make my ship stand out from the rest.
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Ugly as heck in TNG, and ugly as heck here. Faithfully recreated, but I wouldn't use it over other visual options. I might spend zen on lesser ships here or there, if they have visuals or a feature I like, or even a console. This has nothing. No special weapons, no good console, and really poor looks. I won't bother with it.
That said, others might like it. I always found it ugly as sin. To each their own.
the constellation actually has much more cause to be tier 5 useable. first of all, its 3 times the size of the constitution, actually operated in the mid 24th century, and is probably just 100 years old, not 125. it was probably built out of decommissioned constitution parts after they began phasing them out in 2393, to explain why the constellation looks like 3 connie saucers stacked on each other, attached to 4 connie nacelles.
With STO technology there is no question that both are eligible for top tiers, but for funs sake I will say that the two were more or less equal in eligibility if the technology did have limits.
The refit connies performance was respected by it's crew, unlike the constellation. The refit connie set speed records during its time. The refit connie had a prolific existence filled with achievement, proven by the movies. The only notable achievement of the Constellation was a maneuver any ship could pull off, and only worked because the Ferengi sensors were junk, combat at warp speed was already happening in TOS. And most importantly, the connie refit has a frame more similar to the best ships of the fleet in almost any period.
Plus you have no conclusive evidence the connie refit was ever pushed out of service.
Pointless. The skin wont work on any known T6 ships. T5 Heavy Cruiser is awful and a dead-end now as well, so it would be dumb to spend money on it. Mirror T5 is the only interesting hull for the skin, but Cryptic wont take your money for a half-T6 upgrade on it. Most of the 3-min consoles are gimmicks and not worth $10 (some exceptions, dont know if this is one of them). Pointless.
agreed...the more classics in the game, the more chance the one classic I want gets some love
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That got me thinking.....exploring the unknowns of the Delta Quadrant with an overworked, underpowered vessel that was always on the verge of flying apart could be fun in a sense.
With that said, I won't be getting this ship for 2 reasons.
Number one is that my character flying the Mirror T5 version will have to be switching ships since Mirror ships aren't available to be upgraded to T5-U. I fly the Mirror ships because I like the look, and while that will still be possible after the expansion I would like to be able to upgrade them. Since I can't, well, what's the point. I have loads of other C-Store ships that can be upgraded.
The second reason is very closely related to the first. I can't even consider buying it since I now need to hold on to what Zen I have in order to upgrade my T5 ships to T5-U.
I didn't expect the upgrade process to be free. However, I didn't expect it to be Zen. I figured a good chunk of Dilithium, EC and Expertise and maybe having to run some missions to 'unlock' the ability to upgrade in the first place.
I'm not upset that they went the Zen route since it makes a sort of sense. After all, it basically seems like the Fleet Module system to me. Buy the C-Store ship, upgrade it to fleet status for a $5 module. While I'm not mad, it has put a stop on any further Zen purchases, either buying Zen itself or spending it for C-Store items, at least until pricing for the upgrade is locked in* and T6 ship details are released.
Maybe even until the (inevitable) Delta Rising bundle is announced and pricing for that is known as well.
*Word is going around saying that the $5-$10 is per ship, and apparently that doesn't include the 3 ship bundles. So each of the 3 Kumari, Odyssey, Vesta and others will cost between $15-$30, IF the price point stands as it currently is. After all, sometimes a Tac Captain may want to fly the Tac Vesta, while a Sci Captain may want to fly the Sci Vesta.
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Yeah, though the Fleet version will be able to be upgraded to T5-FU (because they don't have a separate identifier for Fleet Upgrade as opposed to standard Upgrade, I made up my own :P). The Mirror Universe ships will become the equivalent of T4 ships... good for leveling that chunk of the game, then left in the Shipyard for item storage. Fleet versions of a lot of the Mirror Universe ships would be great, but that's a no-go for now.
Of course, if it had something at T5-U/T5-FU/T6 that didn't require four Fleet Ship Modules per character and a further upgrade to T5-FU shortly thereafter I'd be much more interested; this falls into the same category as many of the KDF Fleet ships without an available FSM discount. The ship costume is awfully nice, though.
I was thinking this too, especially with a cruiser. Stealing the console for use on an Escort or Destroyer that can actually come about after jumping past its target would probably be more useful than keeping it on its original ship. Then again, that's mostly the point of T1-4 (possibly T1-5 soon).
Well, yeah...
Not quite. The Subspace Jumper has the advantage of always placing you behind and facing your target, but lacks the ambush bonus the Warp Burst Capacitor provides.
[EDIT] Has anyone tested the Warp Burst Capacitor with a Reman to see if the ambush duration is increased? I know from my own testing that the Romulan/Reman traits don't help with Mask Energy Signature, which is too bad, but what about this actual ambush bonus?
Probably won't bother until it's on sale in a few months.
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the constellation actually has much more cause to be tier 5 useable. first of all, its 3 times the size of the constitution, actually operated in the mid 24th century, and is probably just 100 years old, not 125. it was probably built out of decommissioned constitution parts after they began phasing them out in 2393, to explain why the constellation looks like 3 connie saucers stacked on each other, attached to 4 connie nacelles.
But 2 minor flaws:
1. I have no idea where the Aft Beam emitters are. i see where the beam is coming from but there is nothing
2. THe impulse Engines do not glow.
But other than that i am happy i bought the Stargazer
Looks beautiful as always though, I'll probably grab one as soon as the Zen market stabilizes (whenever that might be)
I hope at some point they dome out with that 'space away team' thing that has been mentioned on occasion. I'd love to be flying around an Ambassador class leading a constellation and excelsior for some TOS-movie era goodness.
You read my mind. Honestly, I'd hold on and stockpile for something better for now.
and the uni ensign that was added was a nice bonus
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, noticed that too. I guess they decided to go with the Hathaway, where it didn't show impulse glow.
And surprised there is no blue force field on the front as well.
Here's a map to show how much they've screwed up the game map.
The Constellations nacelles are a wonderful addition to my main characters Flagship.
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Although i have the fleet version of the Heavy Cruiser, i prefer to fly the Mirror HC, because of its BOFF layout. That uni ensign it got today isn't worth the time they may have spend on changing it IMO.
Fed Romulans get to fly it too! Klingon and KDF-Romulans can shoot at it. :P
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I have the Mirror version instead investing in a huge amount for a ship. So know I should able to make one at T5. Or use some of the parts to make my ship look interesting.
The warp burst move will be very nice. And I can use it as well. Well time to farm up Dil for purchase.
For the ones who saying they won't buy it. Thanks as it will make my ship stand out from the rest.
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Ugly as heck in TNG, and ugly as heck here. Faithfully recreated, but I wouldn't use it over other visual options. I might spend zen on lesser ships here or there, if they have visuals or a feature I like, or even a console. This has nothing. No special weapons, no good console, and really poor looks. I won't bother with it.
That said, others might like it. I always found it ugly as sin. To each their own.
If they had of released it along with starbases it would've sold like hotcakes.
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With STO technology there is no question that both are eligible for top tiers, but for funs sake I will say that the two were more or less equal in eligibility if the technology did have limits.
The refit connies performance was respected by it's crew, unlike the constellation. The refit connie set speed records during its time. The refit connie had a prolific existence filled with achievement, proven by the movies. The only notable achievement of the Constellation was a maneuver any ship could pull off, and only worked because the Ferengi sensors were junk, combat at warp speed was already happening in TOS. And most importantly, the connie refit has a frame more similar to the best ships of the fleet in almost any period.
Plus you have no conclusive evidence the connie refit was ever pushed out of service.
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Everything from the Galaxy(saucer sep) to the Romulan retros have all had.. something.
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Nevermind, I mistook the fleet retrofit bit in the blog as the release of a c-store retrofit. Clearly not awake yet..
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