agreed...the more classics in the game, the more chance the one classic I want gets some love
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A T3 ship? For only one faction? Seriously? That was hype-worthy?
Why not? It's a classic, iconic starship that was asked for by people since the beginning of STO. I still remember the whineage on 'Captain Picard Day' when people realized it was not to be released then. And it's a T3 skin, fully usable at T5 or T5-FU to all those fans who have fleet heavy cruisers.
Besides there wasn't much hype really, merely an announcement that sth. new and expected was comming our way.
Though I find it funny it's the Heavy Cruiser "Refit" when the Cheyenne is newer than the Constellation. :rolleyes:
I get your point. I'm sure this has more to do with Beta development. Cryptic went mostly with starships based upon the canon designs. Yet original by the hand of their art team at the time. Technically, Stargazer is the fresher variant on the theme and would have been a .5 Refit of Constellation (the new class having been named for Picard's old posting).
No Hanger slot(s)? Can't say I'm surprised, but I a am disappointed. How did Cryptic not notice the thing is covered with hangers when they were building the model?
A shame, because I was looking forward to the possibility of a TOS Movie-era ship with hanger slot(s).
It crossed my mind that it would have been an interesting candidate for a Flight-Deck Cruiser. Perhaps limiting it to Shuttles and Runabout? Had the Refit not been released today as is, that would have been the logical place to do this. Buying the Constellation to skin it. An interesting choice even it not destined for a 5-U upgrade.
the constellation actually has much more cause to be tier 5 useable. first of all, its 3 times the size of the constitution, actually operated in the mid 24th century, and is probably just 100 years old, not 125. it was probably built out of decommissioned constitution parts after they began phasing them out in 2393, to explain why the constellation looks like 3 connie saucers stacked on each other, attached to 4 connie nacelles.
Per TNG's Peak Performance, the first Constellation-class starships entered service as early as 2285. Riker's ship for the War Games scenario against Enterprise-D was that old. Which makes it a contemporary of both the movie Constitution, Miranda and the Soyuz classes. In-universe, reuse of components likely made a great deal of sense at the time. Then Excelsior came along and put wrench in that scheme. :P
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I get your point. I'm sure this has more to do with Beta development. Cryptic went mostly with starships based upon the canon designs. Yet original by the hand of their art team at the time. Technically, Stargazer is the fresher variant on the theme and would have been a .5 Refit of Constellation (the new class having been named for Picard's old posting).
It crossed my mind that it would have been an interesting candidate for a Flight-Deck Cruiser. Perhaps limiting it to Shuttles and Runabout? Had the Refit not been released today as is, that would have been the logical place to do this. Buying the Constellation to skin it. An interesting choice even it not destined for a 5-U upgrade.
Per TNG's Peak Performance, the first Constellation-class starships entered service as early as 2285. Riker's ship for the War Games scenario against Enterprise-D was that old. Which makes it a contemporary of both the movie Constitution, Miranda and the Soyuz classes. In-universe, reuse of components likely made a great deal of sense at the time. Then Excelsior came along and put wrench in that scheme. :P
Well, the problem with the FDC idea is the tiny size of the Constellation class. It's maybe a 1/4 the size of the Ent-D.
Well, the problem with the FDC idea is the tiny size of the Constellation class. It's maybe a 1/4 the size of the Ent-D.
How do you figure that the scale of Enterprise-D fits into the topic? Please elaborate?
The first FDC from the KDF (Dacoit) is T3. Crew of 1000 (500 more than Constellation) with a comparable Hull of 26,000. Skipping T3 entirely in favor of making the Cheyenne Retrofit an FDC using 1 shuttle hanger, would have made that version much more interesting. And doesn't steal too much KDF thunder from their more advanced Corsair FDC Retrofit. Which uses Fighters.
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Its not going to be a big sale but I bet there is alot of ship collectors out there that are happy as flys on $%!^. Look at it this way. Cryptic probably spent a whole 30 minutes programming the ship ingame. If they sell 1 to every 50 people playing. Gold, pure Gold. It was nice of cryptic to even do the ship anyways. Wouldn't suprise me if its one of the Free giveaway items starting friday.
1) The Art Team gave no options with the nacelles. We are stuck with the Red Bussard Collectors, instead of the canonical black (these were Constitution-Refit Nacelles, not Phase 2 Nacelles).
2) The "Universal" slot on the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit is NOT retroactive. So those who already forked 4 Fleet Modules, well guess what, you got to buy another 4 fleet modules if you want the Universal Slot! :mad:
my fleet heavy cruiser i bought back when the fleet system was first introduced got the uni slot. i just had to switch ships a couple times for it to show
agree on the bussards. also the impulse engines are just black mesh they are not red
Ah, the Constellation. Possibly the ugliest original Starfleet design out there. Regardless, it absolutely deserves a place in STO and I'm glad it's finally arrived.
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Its not going to be a big sale but I bet there is alot of ship collectors out there that are happy as flys on $%!^. Look at it this way. Cryptic probably spent a whole 30 minutes programming the ship ingame. If they sell 1 to every 50 people playing. Gold, pure Gold. It was nice of cryptic to even do the ship anyways. Wouldn't suprise me if its one of the Free giveaway items starting friday.
They're not going to giveaway a brand new ship only a day old.
Besides, I've fought alongside multiple Constellations in several CCE instances today. So I reckon they're doing just fine, iconic classics always have a fanbase and do more than fine.
They're not going to giveaway a brand new ship only a day old.
Besides, I've fought alongside multiple Constellations in several CCE instances today. So I reckon they're doing just fine, iconic classics always have a fanbase and do more than fine.
just got doen with a ISE with 5 constellations (2 of which where mirror ones)
Why anyone would buy a ship like this period, let alone with the T5-U half TRIBBLE upgrades coming, is just completely beyond me. A Lt Tac station and that's it. This game has no role for tanks, they are completely unneeded in any content to date, yet cryptic in all there wisdom roles out yet another worthless ship that can do nothing but tank. Great job creating ships that no one but crazy RPers that want to pretend they are picard will fly.
1) The Art Team gave no options with the nacelles. We are stuck with the Red Bussard Collectors, instead of the canonical black (these were Constitution-Refit Nacelles, not Phase 2 Nacelles).
2) The "Universal" slot on the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit is NOT retroactive. So those who already forked 4 Fleet Modules, well guess what, you got to buy another 4 fleet modules if you want the Universal Slot! :mad:
It should be a retroactive change. I bought the Dreadnaught Cruiser (Gal-X) a couple days before the reboot. After the reboot I looked at it in the character status window and it didn't have the hangar. I went to a ship selector and clicked it in my ship roster and the hangar showed up.
So try looking at it at a ship selector or try changing maps. Cryptic isn't in the habit of forcing people to repurchase fleet ships when something is changed on them.
If you still can't get the Ensign Tactcial station to switch over then file a support ticket. This would be one of those things that they would fix ASAP.
How do you figure that the scale of Enterprise-D fits into the topic? Please elaborate?
The first FDC from the KDF (Dacoit) is T3. Crew of 1000 (500 more than Constellation) with a comparable Hull of 26,000. Skipping T3 entirely in favor of making the Cheyenne Retrofit an FDC using 1 shuttle hanger, would have made that version much more interesting. And doesn't steal too much KDF thunder from their more advanced Corsair FDC Retrofit. Which uses Fighters.
The difference is the actual ship size. Orion ships are bulky things. often pickle-shaped... the concept of flight decks is that they take up a lot of room. thus they don't fit in small hulls.
Why anyone would buy a ship like this period, let alone with the T5-U half TRIBBLE upgrades coming, is just completely beyond me. A Lt Tac station and that's it. This game has no role for tanks, they are completely unneeded in any content to date, yet cryptic in all there wisdom roles out yet another worthless ship that can do nothing but tank. Great job creating ships that no one but crazy RPers that want to pretend they are picard will fly.
a LT tac is all a beam boat like this needs, with an AtB build at least. assuming cryptic doesn't ruin tech doffs in the near future, the ship works pretty well as a durable tac cruiser. its these LTC eng cruisers that will suffer most, and be 100% useless if they do take AtB builds away from us.
they cant hit near as hard as cruisers with more tac, they cant heal or tank a quarter as well as sci heavy cruisers, they would be absolutely worthless. at least now with AtB builds they can hold there own well enough. i think cryptic knows a crusier with an LTC eng is no good, no lockbox cruiser comes with an LTC eng,
Thank you SO much, Cryptic! The Constellation has been my favorite ship since seeing the yellow model in Picard's ready room back in 1987. It's such a noble pie dish!
I absolutely adore your accurate model. Thank you, thank you, thank you, and a million more thanks would be insufficient.
Now, please release 'Wrath of Khan' uniforms without the turtlenecks (TNG 'Tapestry'), and STO's 'Lost Era' content will be complete!
Great looking ship, and lots of fun. It was a gimme that it was going to join the collection.
My only hangup with it is visually, lose the red bussard collectors and go to black - like the Connie refit - very similar nacelle designs.
Happy to give Cryptic my money for this one.
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I will call my Constelation Class Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit my T5 Connie from now on, after all both have the same forst two syllables. :P
The difference is the actual ship size. Orion ships are bulky things. often pickle-shaped... the concept of flight decks is that they take up a lot of room. thus they don't fit in small hulls.
(Yes, I was making a point based on lore.)
Interesting. Though not entirely complete reference. Not all hangers need be as vast as this one. All that two Type 8 or even Type 10 Shuttles require for storage, launch and retrieval looks like this. Constellation needn't be as large as an Orion pickle or a Galaxy class to house a shuttle bay seen as part of the Galaxy-class. The circumference of Constellation could easily accommodate multiples of such a hanger space. What's behind the larger door at the bow? Maybe something slightly wider and maybe slightly deeper? A runway-styled hanger deck isn't necessary in a Starfleet vessel. Not even for fighters. And Constellation would still have plenty of room for crew and labs.
All of which is moot. Since the Retrofit doesn't offer a hanger. Dev Trek not taken. Which is, IMO, a shame.
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MONKEY NEEDS A NEW PAIR OF NACELLES! Hopefully I got enough dil saved up to get the zen for it.
Payed 188 dil per zen. Ouch. I had 150 zen leftover from my stipend so I bought 850 zen. I still have some dil across my characters with a lot more coming in about a week from the Crystaline Cataclysm event reputation. (11 characters = 550k dil ) Prices are increasing and the amount of zen available is drying up.
I still run into them from time-to-time. It makes me sad that some people can't see why someone would want to use an iconic ship at endgame rather than one of the (frankly, mostly awful) 25th century designs. The storyline in this game is already pretty absurd, having a retrofitted Constitution class flying around would be the least of this game's problems from a canon standpoint...
That said, flying the t2 Connie/Exeter is viable at endgame. Just don't queue with randoms -- you can't do it all yourself.
As for the Constellation, it's...not my ship. But more canon designs are always nice, so thanks!
Run some Estf's with the boys on occasion all in Connie's, it is very doable just takes longer.
Ofcourse this is all for fun, and a little bragging rights.
"If you can't do it in a Connie, it isn't worth doing!"
Why anyone would buy a ship like this period, let alone with the T5-U half TRIBBLE upgrades coming, is just completely beyond me. A Lt Tac station and that's it. This game has no role for tanks, they are completely unneeded in any content to date, yet cryptic in all there wisdom roles out yet another worthless ship that can do nothing but tank. Great job creating ships that no one but crazy RPers that want to pretend they are picard will fly.
Escorts Online called, they want you back in the old pre-A2B days.
The more I play with the Picard Maneuver, the more I'm loving it! Quite the emotional opposite compared to yesterday with the Upgrade news. :P
Just wish I had my Romulan Tac Fed aligned and not my Engineer, because I'd love to test the destructive capability of the PM + Operative and the various Tactical boosts, then use the Fleet T'varo's Destabilized Torpedo on the CE. The destructive power that has to unleash! <evil laugh>
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Why not?
Besides there wasn't much hype really, merely an announcement that sth. new and expected was comming our way.
Yeah, they need to add the option to grey out that part in the customization menu.
Are you guys sure? I thought it was Ron Weasley who said it in the last episode of Game of Thrones?
1. its only 1000 zen, half what a tier 5 ship costs
2. being a sub tier 5 ship, its console can be put on anything
3. the tier 5 version already exists, heavy retrofit, mirror heavy, and fleet heavy are all effectively the tier 5 version
I get your point. I'm sure this has more to do with Beta development. Cryptic went mostly with starships based upon the canon designs. Yet original by the hand of their art team at the time. Technically, Stargazer is the fresher variant on the theme and would have been a .5 Refit of Constellation (the new class having been named for Picard's old posting).
It crossed my mind that it would have been an interesting candidate for a Flight-Deck Cruiser. Perhaps limiting it to Shuttles and Runabout? Had the Refit not been released today as is, that would have been the logical place to do this. Buying the Constellation to skin it. An interesting choice even it not destined for a 5-U upgrade.
Per TNG's Peak Performance, the first Constellation-class starships entered service as early as 2285. Riker's ship for the War Games scenario against Enterprise-D was that old. Which makes it a contemporary of both the movie Constitution, Miranda and the Soyuz classes. In-universe, reuse of components likely made a great deal of sense at the time. Then Excelsior came along and put wrench in that scheme. :P
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pretty much i am sure they would have no issue make a fleet cruiser if it was not for that ruling
going by volume, the correct way to compare ship size, a galaxy class is more then 9 times a constellation's size.
How do you figure that the scale of Enterprise-D fits into the topic? Please elaborate?
The first FDC from the KDF (Dacoit) is T3. Crew of 1000 (500 more than Constellation) with a comparable Hull of 26,000. Skipping T3 entirely in favor of making the Cheyenne Retrofit an FDC using 1 shuttle hanger, would have made that version much more interesting. And doesn't steal too much KDF thunder from their more advanced Corsair FDC Retrofit. Which uses Fighters.
my fleet heavy cruiser i bought back when the fleet system was first introduced got the uni slot. i just had to switch ships a couple times for it to show
agree on the bussards. also the impulse engines are just black mesh they are not red
It will be available in the Foundry, right?
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They're not going to giveaway a brand new ship only a day old.
Besides, I've fought alongside multiple Constellations in several CCE instances today. So I reckon they're doing just fine, iconic classics always have a fanbase and do more than fine.
just got doen with a ISE with 5 constellations (2 of which where mirror ones)
It should be a retroactive change. I bought the Dreadnaught Cruiser (Gal-X) a couple days before the reboot. After the reboot I looked at it in the character status window and it didn't have the hangar. I went to a ship selector and clicked it in my ship roster and the hangar showed up.
So try looking at it at a ship selector or try changing maps. Cryptic isn't in the habit of forcing people to repurchase fleet ships when something is changed on them.
If you still can't get the Ensign Tactcial station to switch over then file a support ticket. This would be one of those things that they would fix ASAP.
(Yes, I was making a point based on lore.)
My character Tsin'xing
a LT tac is all a beam boat like this needs, with an AtB build at least. assuming cryptic doesn't ruin tech doffs in the near future, the ship works pretty well as a durable tac cruiser. its these LTC eng cruisers that will suffer most, and be 100% useless if they do take AtB builds away from us.
they cant hit near as hard as cruisers with more tac, they cant heal or tank a quarter as well as sci heavy cruisers, they would be absolutely worthless. at least now with AtB builds they can hold there own well enough. i think cryptic knows a crusier with an LTC eng is no good, no lockbox cruiser comes with an LTC eng,
I absolutely adore your accurate model. Thank you, thank you, thank you, and a million more thanks would be insufficient.
Now, please release 'Wrath of Khan' uniforms without the turtlenecks (TNG 'Tapestry'), and STO's 'Lost Era' content will be complete!
My only hangup with it is visually, lose the red bussard collectors and go to black - like the Connie refit - very similar nacelle designs.
Happy to give Cryptic my money for this one.
I bought zen to buy one and I now have my favorite 23rd century ship class. Also suddenly overtime sucks less.
I will call my Constelation Class Mirror Universe Heavy Cruiser Retrofit my T5 Connie from now on, after all both have the same forst two syllables. :P
Interesting. Though not entirely complete reference. Not all hangers need be as vast as this one. All that two Type 8 or even Type 10 Shuttles require for storage, launch and retrieval looks like this. Constellation needn't be as large as an Orion pickle or a Galaxy class to house a shuttle bay seen as part of the Galaxy-class. The circumference of Constellation could easily accommodate multiples of such a hanger space. What's behind the larger door at the bow? Maybe something slightly wider and maybe slightly deeper? A runway-styled hanger deck isn't necessary in a Starfleet vessel. Not even for fighters. And Constellation would still have plenty of room for crew and labs.
All of which is moot. Since the Retrofit doesn't offer a hanger. Dev Trek not taken. Which is, IMO, a shame.
Payed 188 dil per zen. Ouch. I had 150 zen leftover from my stipend so I bought 850 zen. I still have some dil across my characters with a lot more coming in about a week from the Crystaline Cataclysm event reputation. (11 characters = 550k dil
She sure is ugly.
Run some Estf's with the boys on occasion all in Connie's, it is very doable just takes longer.
Ofcourse this is all for fun, and a little bragging rights.
"If you can't do it in a Connie, it isn't worth doing!"
Escorts Online called, they want you back in the old pre-A2B days.
Just wish I had my Romulan Tac Fed aligned and not my Engineer, because I'd love to test the destructive capability of the PM + Operative and the various Tactical boosts, then use the Fleet T'varo's Destabilized Torpedo on the CE. The destructive power that has to unleash! <evil laugh>