"The first vessel that I ever served on as captain was called the Stargazer. It was an overworked, underpowered vessel that was always on the verge of flying apart at the seams. In every measurable sense, my Enterprise is far superior. But there are times when I would give almost anything to command the Stargazer again."
- Jean Luc Picard, 2369
He never played STO, lol.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
The console is a wonderful gimmick and has some useful functions. The ship itself is purely cosmetic when you get to the fleet level. Nearly any other fleet cruiser is better than the fleet heavy cruiser retrofit. Constellation is great if you want the look, but it's not an addition that KDF or Romulan players should be upset about.
Personally I would have made it possible for the fleet version to duplicate the Mirror version bridge layout. I have the normal fleet version, but I'd much prefer the sci heavy model.
"..and like children playing after sunset, we were surrounded by darkness." -Ruri Hoshino
The console is a wonderful gimmick and has some useful functions. The ship itself is purely cosmetic when you get to the fleet level. Nearly any other fleet cruiser is better than the fleet heavy cruiser retrofit. Constellation is great if you want the look, but it's not an addition that KDF or Romulan players should be upset about.
Of course there is a great difference between the Fleet Heavy Cruiser REfit and the Fleet Assault Cruiser but still, since i own both, i have to say that the Fleet heavy Cruiser Refit can be used in STfs and if you put the Constellation Skin on it its just beautiful.
I just wished they gave us the Stargazer/Hathaway Interior too
Personally I would have made it possible for the fleet version to duplicate the Mirror version bridge layout. I have the normal fleet version, but I'd much prefer the sci heavy model.
Fleet Ambassador has that layout with a uni Lt as well, but all T5 is a dead-end now
"The first vessel that I ever served on as captain was called the Stargazer. It was an overworked, underpowered vessel that was always on the verge of flying apart at the seams. In every measurable sense, my Enterprise is far superior.But there are times when I would give almost anything to command the Stargazer again." - Jean Luc Picard, 2369
Those were the times when he needed to do a STF. LMAO!!! :P
"The first vessel that I ever served on as captain was called the Stargazer. It was an overworked, underpowered vessel that was always on the verge of flying apart at the seams. In every measurable sense, my Enterprise is far superior.But there are times when I would give almost anything to command the Stargazer again." - Jean Luc Picard, 2369
Those were the times when he needed to do a STF. LMAO!!! :P
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"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
It appears this stacks with the damage bonus from decloaking. Can't be used while in cloak, however.
Giving this console to Romulans is a horrible idea, who already have a higher ambush bonus than the Fed's standard cloak.
Since it's unlikely they will change the tier level of this ship to 4, how about buffing standard cloak's ambush damage to be in line with Rom's battle cloak?
Per TNG's Peak Performance, the first Constellation-class starships entered service as early as 2285. Riker's ship for the War Games scenario against Enterprise-D was that old. Which makes it a contemporary of both the movie Constitution, Miranda and the Soyuz classes. In-universe, reuse of components likely made a great deal of sense at the time. Then Excelsior came along and put wrench in that scheme. :P
They may have but The Undiscovered Country indicates that the class ship was an NX registry ship as of 2293.
It's not clear what prompts a ship registry to change from NX to NCC. The USS Excelsior did when it was placed on standard assignment. Meanwhile, the Defiant retained an NX registry even after the class went into mass production.
It would certainly appear that the Constellation is almost an exact contemporary of the Excelsior.
The Miranda, meanwhile, appears to have been active in the 2260s and presumably underwent the same set of refits as the Connie. We've just never seen the TOS era configuration of the Miranda canonically.
But the USS Reliant from Wrath of Khan was supposedly active in the first season of TOS.
So the Miranda and Connie are contemporaries, it would seem, that had extensive refits in the 2270s and 80s. And the Excelsior and Constellation are contemporaries from the 2280s that were in testing at the same time.
NX is a test hull. Since they were done testing the Excelsior, it got an NCC registry. Presumably, all of the other Excelsior class vessels that followed had a similar configuration, and eventually received refits as new technologies and upgraded systems became available.
NX stayed on the Defiant for a while presumably because it was still a test hull. It was the only Starfleet ship with a cloaking device on it for the longest time. Eventually, it gets "blow'd up" and they get an NCC in replacement. All just speculation, but I'm guessing that A) repainting the hull registry (and all the shuttles) wasn't high on the priority list, and/or they hadn't ramped up production of the Defiant-class as they were still getting info back from Sisko and Co. to see if the design was actually worthwhile, hence they kept the NX on for a long time.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. Except for a T5 Connie. That would be f*%#ing awesome." - Mr. Spock
They may have but The Undiscovered Country indicates that the class ship was an NX registry ship as of 2293.
It's not clear what prompts a ship registry to change from NX to NCC. The USS Excelsior did when it was placed on standard assignment. Meanwhile, the Defiant retained an NX registry even after the class went into mass production.
It would certainly appear that the Constellation is almost an exact contemporary of the Excelsior.
The Miranda, meanwhile, appears to have been active in the 2260s and presumably underwent the same set of refits as the Connie. We've just never seen the TOS era configuration of the Miranda canonically.
But the USS Reliant from Wrath of Khan was supposedly active in the first season of TOS.
So the Miranda and Connie are contemporaries, it would seem, that had extensive refits in the 2270s and 80s. And the Excelsior and Constellation are contemporaries from the 2280s that were in testing at the same time.
The Operation Retrieve graphics must be where your TUC reference comes from? An entertaining piece to be sure. But never one that I'd hold up as reliable for the purpose of what is and isn't with regard to starship operational history.
Regardless, the Hathaway - which is established on film as being of the Constellation-class line of starships - is formally established as having entered service in 2285. The class vessel must have entered service the same year - or prior - to future ships of that line. A class vessel might get christened a day or a week after another of that line. I know fans who fictionalize that Kirks Enterprise actually entered service before Constitution. And a novel that suggests Constitution and Enterprise are actually the same starship.
Both ideas ask way too much of me. :rolleyes:
Constellation could not possibly have have entered service after the Hathaway to the point of being - as you suggest - an exact contemporary of the Excelsior. I will, however, concede that Constellation may well have maintained an NX registry throughout its history. And that's without ever seeing the Operation Retrieve graphics up close.
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Of course there is a great difference between the Fleet Heavy Cruiser REfit and the Fleet Assault Cruiser but still, since i own both, i have to say that the Fleet heavy Cruiser Refit can be used in STfs and if you put the Constellation Skin on it its just beautiful.
I just wished they gave us the Stargazer/Hathaway Interior too
Fleet Ambassador has that layout with a uni Lt as well, but all T5 is a dead-end now
Actually he did, he did play STO!!!
"The first vessel that I ever served on as captain was called the Stargazer. It was an overworked, underpowered vessel that was always on the verge of flying apart at the seams. In every measurable sense, my Enterprise is far superior. But there are times when I would give almost anything to command the Stargazer again."
- Jean Luc Picard, 2369
Those were the times when he needed to do a STF. LMAO!!!
Please create the following bridge costume sets:
ST I-III NCC-1701 / U.S.S. Saratoga
ST IV-VI NCC-1701-A
Enterprise-C / Stargazer / Hathaway
Enterprise-D (Battle Bridge)
Enterprise-E (Main Bridge)
Enterprise NX-01
ST VI Excelsior / Enterprise-B
Thanks!
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Hadn't thought of that... oooh :cool:
this please!!!!
Signed with both hands on Zen bills!
Should have the NCC 1701 MU Bridge set as well as ones for Enterprise D and E. I for one would pay for this and a battle bridge
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I would pay for those.
Giving this console to Romulans is a horrible idea, who already have a higher ambush bonus than the Fed's standard cloak.
Since it's unlikely they will change the tier level of this ship to 4, how about buffing standard cloak's ambush damage to be in line with Rom's battle cloak?
They may have but The Undiscovered Country indicates that the class ship was an NX registry ship as of 2293.
It's not clear what prompts a ship registry to change from NX to NCC. The USS Excelsior did when it was placed on standard assignment. Meanwhile, the Defiant retained an NX registry even after the class went into mass production.
It would certainly appear that the Constellation is almost an exact contemporary of the Excelsior.
The Miranda, meanwhile, appears to have been active in the 2260s and presumably underwent the same set of refits as the Connie. We've just never seen the TOS era configuration of the Miranda canonically.
But the USS Reliant from Wrath of Khan was supposedly active in the first season of TOS.
So the Miranda and Connie are contemporaries, it would seem, that had extensive refits in the 2270s and 80s. And the Excelsior and Constellation are contemporaries from the 2280s that were in testing at the same time.
NX stayed on the Defiant for a while presumably because it was still a test hull. It was the only Starfleet ship with a cloaking device on it for the longest time. Eventually, it gets "blow'd up" and they get an NCC in replacement. All just speculation, but I'm guessing that A) repainting the hull registry (and all the shuttles) wasn't high on the priority list, and/or
The Operation Retrieve graphics must be where your TUC reference comes from? An entertaining piece to be sure. But never one that I'd hold up as reliable for the purpose of what is and isn't with regard to starship operational history.
Regardless, the Hathaway - which is established on film as being of the Constellation-class line of starships - is formally established as having entered service in 2285. The class vessel must have entered service the same year - or prior - to future ships of that line. A class vessel might get christened a day or a week after another of that line. I know fans who fictionalize that Kirks Enterprise actually entered service before Constitution. And a novel that suggests Constitution and Enterprise are actually the same starship.
Both ideas ask way too much of me. :rolleyes:
Constellation could not possibly have have entered service after the Hathaway to the point of being - as you suggest - an exact contemporary of the Excelsior. I will, however, concede that Constellation may well have maintained an NX registry throughout its history. And that's without ever seeing the Operation Retrieve graphics up close.