I'd prefer they adopt the mentality of don't fix something till its broken. Then if something is broken to fix it.
I would actually prefer the T5-XYZ to the T5-U11. I hear the gas mileage is a lot better so you can afford to take the family to risa an extra time each year.
I do find it odd that the heavy bop which for a long time was a really decent ship in the game is now on their table below the poverty line of this new ship money grab lol. Albeit cryptic probally didnt put too much thought into how this would work especially for the KDF being we have so many ships that neither have a c-store nor a fleet ship lol. Much less worry about ever getting Tier 6 ships lol.
If someone really wants to do something funny they should upgrade a bortasqu'. It would be cool if they did a recall on it so no one accidentally thinks of buying that garbage scow again though. Now what would be funny is all those low level KDF ships though that look cool but never got a T5 version if they were upgraded into larger T5 or T6 versions so you could have like more than a few of the side KDF races ships to pick from. There are many instances upgrading could be good but I think they just went about this the wrong way.
ME: You just told us that evey T5 ship we have now including the lockbox and lobi schip is garbage.
You left out the part where they said you can upgrade your 'garbage' for free. All you have to do is press 1 button (that's 1,211 keystrokes less than you used making your post).
I would actually prefer the T5-XYZ to the T5-U11. I hear the gas mileage is a lot better so you can afford to take the family to risa an extra time each year.
There are two types of T5-U upgrades. There are the T5-U upgrades for 9 console T5 ships and the T5-U upgrades for 10 console ships. As each receives an additional console, an easy way to distinguish between the two is to reference them as T5-U10 and T5-U11. Some folks like to go off what was said about the T5 Upgrade and T5 Fleet Upgrade...but outside of that ignoring the Lock Box/Lobi/Event/10 console ZEN boats, there's only so many times I could type T5-U and T5F-U before something got said, eh? I mean, c'mon...lol, that's just wrong. So yeah, I'll stick to T5-U10 and T5-U11 to distinguish the difference of the +1 console, +10% hull, +10% shields that the one T5-U has over the other.
Seriously, though, whence the anger?! Only yesterday I was considering walking, if our T5 ships didn't get some sort of compensatory upgrade-path offered. And today I found out almost ALL my ships get an extra console, extra hitpoints, and can level up with me. And, best of all, all FOR FREE.
So what if there's 1 or 2 older ships that are excluded from the deal!? Like I said elsewhere, sometimes it seems ppl are bent on finding error wuth Cryptic, no matter what.
The basic problem comes down to the new Boff slot and ability sets, where the T6 ships get access to that and the T5U ships do not, basically meaning those who captain them are cut out of the new space upgrade.
The trait issue is less of a problem because as this has read, the trait you get from leveling a T6 ship is universal, so you can use it with any ship. So basically it's possible to still accumulate ship traits and use your old ships if you get T6 ships in addition, and simply run traits from the other ships (which of course takes time playing). The extra level of mastery is simply where you get the specific trait for a ship, so that missing from a T5U ship is simply a matter of those ships not having a slot. This is not a big thing overall.
The problem I have is simply that I really like my main's current ship for example, it's a Voth Bulwark with the full console set. It took quite a bit to get since your dealing with needing a Lobi ship, a Lockbox ship, and a Doff pack ship to kit it out. I do not like being told that I pretty much have to abandon using this ship because if I continue to fly it, I'm going to miss out on having the extra Boff slot and a pick from the new special slot pool of powers.
When it comes to the traits, basically people were going to have to obtain T6 ships and master them to get a selection of traits anyway, which is a cash grab for sure, but I think people have been sort of missing out how that part of things works.
From my perspective, I do not like being told that I have to give up a ship that took that much to get, or lose out on the whole new Boff system. That's been the sum total of my complaints.
I have multiple characters and figured I was going to get a few T6 ships anyway, I play the game a lot, and pay money into it with some frequency so it can make a profit and generate new content (I argue people who play a game should pay money into it frequently). I just do not like being told that my favorite ship is going to be second rate... which is particularly annoying because I'm going into the Delta Quadrant, and a captured Voth Bulwark is very much a Delta Quadrant ship, and conceptually should be as good as anything else out there as The Voth are one of the major powers in The Delta Quadrant.
For the most part I think people who are simply upset about spending money should reconsider their position if they play enough to be this upset. Really upgrading to T6 is just like say when you upgraded from T4 to T5, and potentially left lower ranked Zen ships behind. When it comes to general Zen ships outranking them has always been an issue. However when it comes to character specific, very-special, ships that came from paid gambling and Lobi, I see that as being a little different and I feel those ships should be upgraded to T6 for free. It's not even something that's going to cost Cryptic major amounts of money, since they are character specific as opposed to account-wide. In my case for example as I eventually go back to playing other characters I will probably be paying for upgrades and/or Tier 6 ships over a period of time.
In short I kind of agree with you about some people trying to find fault in anything Cryptic does, and of course a lot of it to me seems like people objecting to paying further into a game that they keep playing for hundreds, or thousands of hours. Given that Cryptic has been developing new content (beyond stuff to sell) obviously some of those profits have been going into giving us new game play. On the other hand I do not think that this entire situation is fair. I think Cryptic needs to further examine these issues and very specific ships need to be handled with extra care. The Bulwark and the Jem'Hadar Attack ship were intentionally set up to be "super prizes" standing out even beyond other prizes and even promoted as such, if anything those ships should receive special consideration (and I say this despite not having a bug ship).
Not that I expect many people (especially Cryptic) to have read my long messages on the subject.
One thing I will also say is that while these games are businesses, I think Cryptic needs to know when to stop pushing and settle into a nice rhythm instead of constantly pushing for more money constantly. I think a lot of the backlash here is because it seems like Cryptic is always promoting some angle and never gives us time off. Not to mention that with new Zen ships like the recent "Patrol Escort" released with it's special real cannon, it's kind of lame to see them rendered obsolete almost as soon as they enter circulation. I mean that and the new Xindi ships are pretty much being made second rate barely after they were released. I don't have either of those, but I admit I'd be raging too if I had bought/chased either of them seriously.
more interesting is the fact that they ONLY talk about T5 will have one less console slot than T6...but wait, T5 already has one less console slot than fleet level ships (T5.5)
So does this mean T6 has 10 console slots or 11?
Next question: Why don't they simply solve the problem of people wanting to still use their "old" ships by making ship models transferable to other ships of the same category?
anyway, for me (and many more people) it won't be much of a problem since for PVE i probably don't even need any upgraded T5 or T6 ship. So i'm not gonna bother, unless the new ships got some really good designs.
You guys do realise that this thread is technically not being read by the Devs any longer. After about 100 or so pages, Captain Smirk posted that he compiled the most relevant data to use as feedback.
I'd prefer they adopt the mentality of don't fix something till its broken. Then if something is broken to fix it.
I would actually prefer the T5-XYZ to the T5-U11. I hear the gas mileage is a lot better so you can afford to take the family to risa an extra time each year.
I do find it odd that the heavy bop which for a long time was a really decent ship in the game is now on their table below the poverty line of this new ship money grab lol. Albeit cryptic probally didnt put too much thought into how this would work especially for the KDF being we have so many ships that neither have a c-store nor a fleet ship lol. Much less worry about ever getting Tier 6 ships lol.
If someone really wants to do something funny they should upgrade a bortasqu'. It would be cool if they did a recall on it so no one accidentally thinks of buying that garbage scow again though. Now what would be funny is all those low level KDF ships though that look cool but never got a T5 version if they were upgraded into larger T5 or T6 versions so you could have like more than a few of the side KDF races ships to pick from. There are many instances upgrading could be good but I think they just went about this the wrong way.
KDF has no right to complain about their flagship being a garbage scow, I mean look at the Fed version which has two "pet" consoles which can't be used together at the same time. I mean at least each of the KDF's flagship consoles does something distinct and they can all work. Not to mention they don't make you guys worry about wasting a bloody console slot on a cloaking device. I mean if they want to give the Feds cloaks just do it... or better yet fire whomever it is at the Shipyards who keeps using this system and put one of the many defected Klingons or new Romulan allies on the job of making say the Avenger cloak properly.
That said T6 is a good time for them to RP wise just flat out say "the old flagships sucked" and literally say they got recalled and replaced. That would likely mean we need a new Enterprise though from one of the T6 patterns.
Also just for the lulz if Cryptic actually wants to make some people happy, a very unrealistic but "fun" "Tier 6 Constitution Class" would probably be amusing.
Or they could always troll by literally releasing Garbage scows as flag ships, after all in the Delta Quadrant they had an entire race that had a fleet of heavily armed radioactive waste barges that Janeway ran into a few times.... after embracing clean energy technology they sell the military surplus to the newly arrived alpha quadrant races who look at the old Flagships and decide "these garbage scows couldn't be worse" and thus a new era is born.......
Okay, I'm getting tired and silly, and on the off chance Cryptic is listening it would be nice if they read my posts (I don't expect any response, but don't want to be dismissed as a complete loon either....).
So let me get this strait, I payed $75 US (Actually $90NZD) for all 3 Odyssey ships and now your not only telling me i will have to pay even more to use my ship at max level but it wont even get all the perks?
I do think the T6 ships are little too overpowered. Even the blog makes them sound that way. when you look at T1-T5 you see a steady progression, which only a few special ships don't fit the pattern. The new T6 is not just a +10% it goes beyond it, and probably more so once people play them.
My hope is this:
1) Developers please use enough time to really test these ships out on tribble. Nerfing a ship after everyone has it sucks, and makes players become frustrated with the game. Great example is risan corvette with dodge bonus.
2) Fleet ships are suppose to be top of the line ships. Not giving them the bonus boff station is pretty much making them seem useless. I could see them getting only the special boff ability station because well they are fleet ships. Let other ships of your choosing get none, or just a regular boff station. But I do agree with others that the extra boff station is very important in keeping them able to compete with T6 ships.
3) With the zen cost on ships I'm becoming more worried that the ship equipment specifically rep stuff will now cost as well to upgrade. Like the T6 ships the mk13 & mk14 equipment will make event he rep system seem like junk, or useless to players. So please try to keep all upgrade costs low, because many of us have more than just one ship, or equipment.
4) In closing please remember that a frustrated player is also a player that may leave the game forever. This means less revenue, but more importantly a flustrated player will also tell other people not to try or play STO. Players are like customers for a business...and many unhappy ones will never tell you they are unhappy, they just won't come back. Remember this old adage "one rotten apple spoils the bunch"...for developers its one bad update can ruin a fun game. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL AND SURE BEFORE YOU RELEASE THESE CHANGES.
Thank you for keeping this game alive for so long...i hope it remains fun and people wish to continue playing for a long time.
Keep in mind, it's an extra BOFF ability slot...not an extra BOFF slot.
I'm not sure about that, the way it sounds to me is that it's a a whole new system with a set of abilities that will need to be filled with a Boff that has those abilities, with details on the new Boffs still to be revealed.
The impression I get is that you'll have your regular crew doing your regular stuff, but then need a special guy just to fill that one special slot, where his special abilities can go.
It's not just upgrading an existing station by 1, it's a whole new space abilities subsystem.
The impression I get is ultimately that by doing this they will probably hope to sell special Boffs to fill that slot via the Lobi store, and also get a run on Boff slots so people will have space to collect the new Boffs so they have options on what they can do with that position.
Since your ships are now garbage, can I have them? STO, please make other player's ships be used on trading. This guy and others have garbage to get rid of. And I want them.
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im guessing when you by mercedes, and mercedes brings out a new model. you call your old car a garbage, and you expect to get a new model for free. because it works like that, right?
im guessing when you by mercedes, and mercedes brings out a new model. you call your old car a garbage, and you expect to get a new model for free. because it works like that, right?
Oh of course, they must upgrade to each new car/truck model each year. Cause the new model is great and theirs is always garbage. :rolleyes:
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Analysis: I am very excited about the new expansion and Cryptics Tier 5 upgrade program seems fair, but I do have some feedback. First of all please don't make the upgrade cost more then $5, anything else would be excessive and make people choose between ships rather then simply upgrade them all, I know I would.
sure if you only have maybe one or even two ships $5 per upgrade dosent sound so bad,
what about the dyson mega bundle of 9 ships, even at $5 each that's still $45 total, that's nearly half of the total price of the bundle itself and at the higher $10 that it is most likely to be that's $90 on a pack that cost $100, if this isn't a scam I don't know what is.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I noticed that as well, and the Kumarag isn't on the list either. However they did told not all ships are upgradeable at this point. However more will be added in the future. Looks like they hit the most popular used ones.
Cause I rarely see these 2 being used much.
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I'm not sure about that, the way it sounds to me is that it's a a whole new system with a set of abilities that will need to be filled with a Boff that has those abilities, with details on the new Boffs still to be revealed.
The impression I get is that you'll have your regular crew doing your regular stuff, but then need a special guy just to fill that one special slot, where his special abilities can go.
It's not just upgrading an existing station by 1, it's a whole new space abilities subsystem.
The impression I get is ultimately that by doing this they will probably hope to sell special Boffs to fill that slot via the Lobi store, and also get a run on Boff slots so people will have space to collect the new Boffs so they have options on what they can do with that position.
Where did you get that impression though? No dev nor blog has mentioned it.
Both the T6 and T5-U blogs mention an additional BOFF ability.
The T6 blog mentions a hybrid BOFF seat, not an additional BOFF seat.
There's no mention of the T6 ships having an additional BOFF seat/slot.
Further, they've said that not all T6 ships will have the hybrid seats and thus not all T6 ships will be able to take advantage of the Specialist BOFFs that have access to both the career abilities and specialist abilities. It's only the T6 ships at launch which will definitely have the hybrid seats.
sure if you only have maybe one or even two ships $5 per upgrade dosent sound so bad,
what about the dyson mega bundle of 9 ships, even at $5 each that's still $45 total, that's nearly half of the total price of the bundle itself and at the higher $10 that it is most likely to be that's $90 on a pack that cost $100, if this isn't a scam I don't know what is.
and the joke is if I had stuck with the free dyson ship and not bothered upgrading to the bundle I would have got the upgrade for free.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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There is a question everyone is failing to ask and it does make all the difference in the world regarding those who wish to buy the T5-U upgrade. Are there going to be Fleet T6s?
So let me get this strait, I payed $75 US (Actually $90NZD) for all 3 Odyssey ships and now your not only telling me i will have to pay even more to use my ship at max level but it wont even get all the perks?
Something stinks in a big way.
How did you wind up paying that much, I thought the 3 pack was a straight $50 US (5000 Zen) unless there is some game being played with currency conversions.
To be sort of fair, while I can see how this sucks, the game has been selling ships with the expectation that they would be replaced at rank up. For example if you buy say a "Gladius" escort or "Rhode Island" science vessel, your going to out level it in 10 levels, the big advantage is access to a console you can then put on your later ships.
With the ranks increasing, it does make sense that the current Tier 5 vessels will be replaced like the ranks before them, and the current system for upgrades is a fair compromise given that these were at one time endgame vessels.
I tend to think that ships which were character specific unlocks obtained through gambling should be a different case however (and this is coming from someone who actually has a lot of Z-store ships as well as some lockbox/pack/lobi ones). Especially the "super prizes" like the Jem'Hadar bug ship and the Voth Bulwark.
Periodically paying into a game you play, and which actually keeps it's commitment to develop and release new content (albeit not as much as I would like) is not unreasonable, as the game is a business, and it does need money to operate.
Where I think there is the biggest issue though is that the recent Patrol Escort Z-ship, and the Xindi ships in particular are brandy new additions to the game. Where one can argue that people who bought even the big packs (Aventine, Oddy, Bort, Andorian Cruiser, etc...) got a lot of potential use out of them as "kings of space" these other ships were sold by their own mechanisms and rendered obsolete very quickly in the scheme of things. Basically if you just chased a Xindi ship and spent a bunch of Zen on keys, or hundreds of millions of EC, or paid for a fancy Patrol Escort with a rear gun, I think in that case you have good reason to be pissed, though neither of those things apply to me (and I don't see anyone else saying it). Of course the Xindi ship is included under the specific points I've made above about "single character unlock" vessels, which I do think should get full T6.
For people who made recent T5 purchases right before the announcement, it would be cool if Cryptic offered at least a partial refund of the value given that they won't have a long-term endgame value, but that's probably hard to track, and probably too generous, but if it did happen I think it would be a gesture some would appreciate. I wouldn't personally benefit from that though because I haven't bought any Z-store ships recently (though I have a nice collection of them).
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Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots
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Good enough?
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
There is a question everyone is failing to ask and it does make all the difference in the world regarding those who wish to buy the T5-U upgrade. Are there going to be Fleet T6s?
My guess is yes after the T5U "upgrading" spree will end ....
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Where did you get that impression though? No dev nor blog has mentioned it.
Both the T6 and T5-U blogs mention an additional BOFF ability.
The T6 blog mentions a hybrid BOFF seat, not an additional BOFF seat.
There's no mention of the T6 ships having an additional BOFF seat/slot.
I apparently read it differently than you did then, and it seems like I'm not the only one with that impression. It seems to me that "Hybrid" seat they are talking about which will be on all starting T6 ships (but might not be present on all of them) is supposed to be in addition to whatever else it had. It also mentions specifically talking about the new Boff abilities in a later blog from what I remember.
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
...as a reply telling me that there is mention of an additional BOFF seat/slot...
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
...when the above mentions an additional BOFF ability slot...
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
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If you're one of those MMO jock types who has to have the biggest numbers because reasons, yeah, they'll be garbage. Tough schist.
If you're a casual player, you'll be fine. Your ship will be as strong as you need it to be to faceroll the PVE content just like always. No problem.
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I'd prefer they adopt the mentality of don't fix something till its broken. Then if something is broken to fix it.
I would actually prefer the T5-XYZ to the T5-U11. I hear the gas mileage is a lot better so you can afford to take the family to risa an extra time each year.
I do find it odd that the heavy bop which for a long time was a really decent ship in the game is now on their table below the poverty line of this new ship money grab lol. Albeit cryptic probally didnt put too much thought into how this would work especially for the KDF being we have so many ships that neither have a c-store nor a fleet ship lol. Much less worry about ever getting Tier 6 ships lol.
If someone really wants to do something funny they should upgrade a bortasqu'. It would be cool if they did a recall on it so no one accidentally thinks of buying that garbage scow again though. Now what would be funny is all those low level KDF ships though that look cool but never got a T5 version if they were upgraded into larger T5 or T6 versions so you could have like more than a few of the side KDF races ships to pick from. There are many instances upgrading could be good but I think they just went about this the wrong way.
You left out the part where they said you can upgrade your 'garbage' for free. All you have to do is press 1 button (that's 1,211 keystrokes less than you used making your post).
There are two types of T5-U upgrades. There are the T5-U upgrades for 9 console T5 ships and the T5-U upgrades for 10 console ships. As each receives an additional console, an easy way to distinguish between the two is to reference them as T5-U10 and T5-U11. Some folks like to go off what was said about the T5 Upgrade and T5 Fleet Upgrade...but outside of that ignoring the Lock Box/Lobi/Event/10 console ZEN boats, there's only so many times I could type T5-U and T5F-U before something got said, eh? I mean, c'mon...lol, that's just wrong. So yeah, I'll stick to T5-U10 and T5-U11 to distinguish the difference of the +1 console, +10% hull, +10% shields that the one T5-U has over the other.
The basic problem comes down to the new Boff slot and ability sets, where the T6 ships get access to that and the T5U ships do not, basically meaning those who captain them are cut out of the new space upgrade.
The trait issue is less of a problem because as this has read, the trait you get from leveling a T6 ship is universal, so you can use it with any ship. So basically it's possible to still accumulate ship traits and use your old ships if you get T6 ships in addition, and simply run traits from the other ships (which of course takes time playing). The extra level of mastery is simply where you get the specific trait for a ship, so that missing from a T5U ship is simply a matter of those ships not having a slot. This is not a big thing overall.
The problem I have is simply that I really like my main's current ship for example, it's a Voth Bulwark with the full console set. It took quite a bit to get since your dealing with needing a Lobi ship, a Lockbox ship, and a Doff pack ship to kit it out. I do not like being told that I pretty much have to abandon using this ship because if I continue to fly it, I'm going to miss out on having the extra Boff slot and a pick from the new special slot pool of powers.
When it comes to the traits, basically people were going to have to obtain T6 ships and master them to get a selection of traits anyway, which is a cash grab for sure, but I think people have been sort of missing out how that part of things works.
From my perspective, I do not like being told that I have to give up a ship that took that much to get, or lose out on the whole new Boff system. That's been the sum total of my complaints.
I have multiple characters and figured I was going to get a few T6 ships anyway, I play the game a lot, and pay money into it with some frequency so it can make a profit and generate new content (I argue people who play a game should pay money into it frequently). I just do not like being told that my favorite ship is going to be second rate... which is particularly annoying because I'm going into the Delta Quadrant, and a captured Voth Bulwark is very much a Delta Quadrant ship, and conceptually should be as good as anything else out there as The Voth are one of the major powers in The Delta Quadrant.
For the most part I think people who are simply upset about spending money should reconsider their position if they play enough to be this upset. Really upgrading to T6 is just like say when you upgraded from T4 to T5, and potentially left lower ranked Zen ships behind. When it comes to general Zen ships outranking them has always been an issue. However when it comes to character specific, very-special, ships that came from paid gambling and Lobi, I see that as being a little different and I feel those ships should be upgraded to T6 for free. It's not even something that's going to cost Cryptic major amounts of money, since they are character specific as opposed to account-wide. In my case for example as I eventually go back to playing other characters I will probably be paying for upgrades and/or Tier 6 ships over a period of time.
In short I kind of agree with you about some people trying to find fault in anything Cryptic does, and of course a lot of it to me seems like people objecting to paying further into a game that they keep playing for hundreds, or thousands of hours. Given that Cryptic has been developing new content (beyond stuff to sell) obviously some of those profits have been going into giving us new game play. On the other hand I do not think that this entire situation is fair. I think Cryptic needs to further examine these issues and very specific ships need to be handled with extra care. The Bulwark and the Jem'Hadar Attack ship were intentionally set up to be "super prizes" standing out even beyond other prizes and even promoted as such, if anything those ships should receive special consideration (and I say this despite not having a bug ship).
Not that I expect many people (especially Cryptic) to have read my long messages on the subject.
One thing I will also say is that while these games are businesses, I think Cryptic needs to know when to stop pushing and settle into a nice rhythm instead of constantly pushing for more money constantly. I think a lot of the backlash here is because it seems like Cryptic is always promoting some angle and never gives us time off. Not to mention that with new Zen ships like the recent "Patrol Escort" released with it's special real cannon, it's kind of lame to see them rendered obsolete almost as soon as they enter circulation. I mean that and the new Xindi ships are pretty much being made second rate barely after they were released. I don't have either of those, but I admit I'd be raging too if I had bought/chased either of them seriously.
So does this mean T6 has 10 console slots or 11?
Next question: Why don't they simply solve the problem of people wanting to still use their "old" ships by making ship models transferable to other ships of the same category?
anyway, for me (and many more people) it won't be much of a problem since for PVE i probably don't even need any upgraded T5 or T6 ship. So i'm not gonna bother, unless the new ships got some really good designs.
Keep in mind, it's an extra BOFF ability slot...not an extra BOFF slot.
I know, right?
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KDF has no right to complain about their flagship being a garbage scow, I mean look at the Fed version which has two "pet" consoles which can't be used together at the same time. I mean at least each of the KDF's flagship consoles does something distinct and they can all work. Not to mention they don't make you guys worry about wasting a bloody console slot on a cloaking device. I mean if they want to give the Feds cloaks just do it... or better yet fire whomever it is at the Shipyards who keeps using this system and put one of the many defected Klingons or new Romulan allies on the job of making say the Avenger cloak properly.
That said T6 is a good time for them to RP wise just flat out say "the old flagships sucked" and literally say they got recalled and replaced. That would likely mean we need a new Enterprise though from one of the T6 patterns.
Also just for the lulz if Cryptic actually wants to make some people happy, a very unrealistic but "fun" "Tier 6 Constitution Class" would probably be amusing.
Or they could always troll by literally releasing Garbage scows as flag ships, after all in the Delta Quadrant they had an entire race that had a fleet of heavily armed radioactive waste barges that Janeway ran into a few times.... after embracing clean energy technology they sell the military surplus to the newly arrived alpha quadrant races who look at the old Flagships and decide "these garbage scows couldn't be worse" and thus a new era is born.......
Okay, I'm getting tired and silly, and on the off chance Cryptic is listening it would be nice if they read my posts (I don't expect any response, but don't want to be dismissed as a complete loon either....).
whats the betting that on this end of summer c-store giveaway they give at least one ship that you will need to pay to upgrade.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Something stinks in a big way.
My hope is this:
1) Developers please use enough time to really test these ships out on tribble. Nerfing a ship after everyone has it sucks, and makes players become frustrated with the game. Great example is risan corvette with dodge bonus.
2) Fleet ships are suppose to be top of the line ships. Not giving them the bonus boff station is pretty much making them seem useless. I could see them getting only the special boff ability station because well they are fleet ships. Let other ships of your choosing get none, or just a regular boff station. But I do agree with others that the extra boff station is very important in keeping them able to compete with T6 ships.
3) With the zen cost on ships I'm becoming more worried that the ship equipment specifically rep stuff will now cost as well to upgrade. Like the T6 ships the mk13 & mk14 equipment will make event he rep system seem like junk, or useless to players. So please try to keep all upgrade costs low, because many of us have more than just one ship, or equipment.
4) In closing please remember that a frustrated player is also a player that may leave the game forever. This means less revenue, but more importantly a flustrated player will also tell other people not to try or play STO. Players are like customers for a business...and many unhappy ones will never tell you they are unhappy, they just won't come back. Remember this old adage "one rotten apple spoils the bunch"...for developers its one bad update can ruin a fun game. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL AND SURE BEFORE YOU RELEASE THESE CHANGES.
Thank you for keeping this game alive for so long...i hope it remains fun and people wish to continue playing for a long time.
I'm not sure about that, the way it sounds to me is that it's a a whole new system with a set of abilities that will need to be filled with a Boff that has those abilities, with details on the new Boffs still to be revealed.
The impression I get is that you'll have your regular crew doing your regular stuff, but then need a special guy just to fill that one special slot, where his special abilities can go.
It's not just upgrading an existing station by 1, it's a whole new space abilities subsystem.
The impression I get is ultimately that by doing this they will probably hope to sell special Boffs to fill that slot via the Lobi store, and also get a run on Boff slots so people will have space to collect the new Boffs so they have options on what they can do with that position.
Since your ships are now garbage, can I have them? STO, please make other player's ships be used on trading. This guy and others have garbage to get rid of. And I want them.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Oh of course, they must upgrade to each new car/truck model each year. Cause the new model is great and theirs is always garbage. :rolleyes:
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
sure if you only have maybe one or even two ships $5 per upgrade dosent sound so bad,
what about the dyson mega bundle of 9 ships, even at $5 each that's still $45 total, that's nearly half of the total price of the bundle itself and at the higher $10 that it is most likely to be that's $90 on a pack that cost $100, if this isn't a scam I don't know what is.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Cause I rarely see these 2 being used much.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Where did you get that impression though? No dev nor blog has mentioned it.
Both the T6 and T5-U blogs mention an additional BOFF ability.
The T6 blog mentions a hybrid BOFF seat, not an additional BOFF seat.
There's no mention of the T6 ships having an additional BOFF seat/slot.
Further, they've said that not all T6 ships will have the hybrid seats and thus not all T6 ships will be able to take advantage of the Specialist BOFFs that have access to both the career abilities and specialist abilities. It's only the T6 ships at launch which will definitely have the hybrid seats.
and the joke is if I had stuck with the free dyson ship and not bothered upgrading to the bundle I would have got the upgrade for free.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
There is a question everyone is failing to ask and it does make all the difference in the world regarding those who wish to buy the T5-U upgrade. Are there going to be Fleet T6s?
How did you wind up paying that much, I thought the 3 pack was a straight $50 US (5000 Zen) unless there is some game being played with currency conversions.
To be sort of fair, while I can see how this sucks, the game has been selling ships with the expectation that they would be replaced at rank up. For example if you buy say a "Gladius" escort or "Rhode Island" science vessel, your going to out level it in 10 levels, the big advantage is access to a console you can then put on your later ships.
With the ranks increasing, it does make sense that the current Tier 5 vessels will be replaced like the ranks before them, and the current system for upgrades is a fair compromise given that these were at one time endgame vessels.
I tend to think that ships which were character specific unlocks obtained through gambling should be a different case however (and this is coming from someone who actually has a lot of Z-store ships as well as some lockbox/pack/lobi ones). Especially the "super prizes" like the Jem'Hadar bug ship and the Voth Bulwark.
Periodically paying into a game you play, and which actually keeps it's commitment to develop and release new content (albeit not as much as I would like) is not unreasonable, as the game is a business, and it does need money to operate.
Where I think there is the biggest issue though is that the recent Patrol Escort Z-ship, and the Xindi ships in particular are brandy new additions to the game. Where one can argue that people who bought even the big packs (Aventine, Oddy, Bort, Andorian Cruiser, etc...) got a lot of potential use out of them as "kings of space" these other ships were sold by their own mechanisms and rendered obsolete very quickly in the scheme of things. Basically if you just chased a Xindi ship and spent a bunch of Zen on keys, or hundreds of millions of EC, or paid for a fancy Patrol Escort with a rear gun, I think in that case you have good reason to be pissed, though neither of those things apply to me (and I don't see anyone else saying it). Of course the Xindi ship is included under the specific points I've made above about "single character unlock" vessels, which I do think should get full T6.
For people who made recent T5 purchases right before the announcement, it would be cool if Cryptic offered at least a partial refund of the value given that they won't have a long-term endgame value, but that's probably hard to track, and probably too generous, but if it did happen I think it would be a gesture some would appreciate. I wouldn't personally benefit from that though because I haven't bought any Z-store ships recently (though I have a nice collection of them).
lets see...
Good enough?
My guess is yes after the T5U "upgrading" spree will end ....
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
I apparently read it differently than you did then, and it seems like I'm not the only one with that impression. It seems to me that "Hybrid" seat they are talking about which will be on all starting T6 ships (but might not be present on all of them) is supposed to be in addition to whatever else it had. It also mentions specifically talking about the new Boff abilities in a later blog from what I remember.
Time will tell which of us is right.
Did you bother reading what you quoted? I mean, seriously...this is what you quoted...
...as a reply telling me that there is mention of an additional BOFF seat/slot...
...when the above mentions an additional BOFF ability slot...
...no mention of an additional BOFF seat/slot...
...but an additional BOFF ability.
/facepalm