No. NO. This is not a thing I'm interested in discussing. I already PAID for my MVAM, my HEC, and my Dreadnought. I will NOT pay more to upgrade them. It's bad enough I have to buy a separate starship to use the saucer sep feature of my Dreadnaught which you conveniently added after taking away the free Galaxy Retrofit (which came with the saucer sep console) for reaching VA.
This level of extortion is simply unacceptable, and it's horrible marketing. I guarantee if you continue down this shady line of business you're going to lose a LOT of customers.
With all this whining, I think I will make it a point to not use any upgraded ships on some of my characters.
Nobody forces you to do anything, guys.
and so we should just allow a bad system to go into place? By the way Cryptic asked for our feedback, which we're giving. Just because you're a Cryptic fanboi and think that feedback is whining, doesn't mean Cryptic a) didn't ask for it and b) as a player base we should just accept it.
But you're right nobody forces me to do anything, including play this game and give them my money. But you'd think they'd take all this feedback into concideration and maybe think that their plan isn't going over so well with the player base.
PWE shoots in the foot with payable upgrade to T5-U (5k zen for bundle and another for .5-1k for upgrade? - this is nail to the coffin for STO) - nobody will upgrade ships if T6 are better.
And this is exactly what Cryptic wants. They don't want you to upgrade your ships instead of buying a t6 ship.
They want you to spend the inflated prices for the t6 ships instead of the relatively cheap price to upgrade a ship.
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With all this whining, I think I will make it a point to not use any upgraded ships on some of my characters.
Nobody forces you to do anything, guys.
True but some of us already have the ships, while in the short term their may be little difference between the two tiers but eventually, probably just a few months down the road, the tier 6 ships will over take the t5-u's with either or 11 consoles or better boff slots, aka two commanders or an extra ltc slot, that kind of stinks to some.
I'm honestly depressed that it's all gonna go downhill and just, as you say, fade away. My fleet is,literally, beyond the point of no return. They've had it. I don't want to see our little group get disbanded because of cryptic/PWE inability to do the right thing by the players.
Yeah and I'm just basing it on how quick I can see ques pop off, how long its been since really hardcore serious players have up and not logged in months, and the fact that a lot of people stopped all grinding due to the fact that anything they were working towards right now will become obsolete on X2's launch. Pretty much they have made decisions as well as ignored vital points to this games survival that I don't see this game lasting much longer. Just too much is going against them at this point and they gotta show their overlords some heavy duty metrics to stay in the ball game.
our small fleet was actaully starting to gear up for T4 base and started to get people wanting to join. Are we going to keep them if this goes through, not likely.
As from the statements above they have literally ignored the small fleets and keep the attitude that they will just join larger collectives and as one friend of mine said we aren't from their region so they are just going to quit playing. Then they will respond by saying don't say you are going to quit because in essence they don't want to see large droves of ppl quitting but they are doing it anyways with this X2 and this is why they kept a tight lid on it for so long or ppl wouldn't even have played seasons 9 or 9.5 now if they knew what royal butt hurt is to come.
So after 108 pages of reading, I've reached the end of this thread (for now) and compiled my list of feedback and questions to send off from this topic.
I hope to bring some good clarification to some of the questions brought up about the T5 to T5-U upgrades.
Thanks go out to everyone who brought up some good points, reported some typing mistakes in the initial blog, and asked some very good questions that we had not thought of.
Take care and get some rest forum folks!
~CaptainSmirk
Right now I'm kinda disgusted but pity you at the same time having to work with these people lol.
It feels like the answer was to take the rusted out shovel and drag it thru some new mud and try to sell it as a new shovel.
Just advocating on the KDF front here I got some issues with how this is being handled. For years there has been neglect on KDF development. A lot of us even paid these outrageous fleet module tax basically to get our fleet ships with no discount mind you. If anything the upgrades for us KDF should be all free. Being nothing stated thus far about expansion 2 leads me to believe that the power creep between KDF and Federation and Romulan ships are addressed and yet they actually have the gall to think we will pay for more substandard targ dung.
Makes me wonder if my 5 seconds a day to slot crafting xp projects is worth even bothering to login just for that anymore lol.
On a serious note if you guys have any pride I would strongly suggest working something out with CBS on handing ownership of the game over to a developer who is going to seriously handle a game for this franchise. No offense but Cryptic just has let us down too many times to see any other future for this game but that is my 2 cents just being honest about it all.
No one forces you to upgrade from your starting Miranda/T'Liss/B'rel either, yet somehow most people do it.
Staying on the cutting edge is a big deal for a lot of people, some of these ships had a lot of time and/or money invested in them, in order to get them as cutting edge as possible. Now those people are finding out that all of that is a dead end.
I think the frustration we are experiencing here is a bit more understandable in that light.
I reviewed the available data and am quite disappointed that half my characters are being told, sorry, your ship isn't good enough.
My Starfleet Captain flies a Assault Cruiser.
I'm doubly annoyed because this is the second time they have been cheated on a ship upgrade (a Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit is a completely different vessel to the the Assault Cruiser, therefore, I had no use for it).
My KDF Captain flies a Negh'Var.
Because I do not have access to the Fleet version at this time, it will also be ineligible for upgrades.
I'm hoping the upcoming content does not make T5U ships manditory, otherwise these two captains won't be able to play any of the T5U storyline!
I'm actually giving serious consideration to not playing the DR expansion at all.
It won't take much to make me reject the expansion completely, I'm very close to ignoring it at this point.
This could be a factor pushing me towards that decision.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
I'd rather have a reliable and serious game developer pick up the franchise and redo it, this game is seriously outdated and neglected in favour of a complete money grab scheme.
leveling:
i read people upset that we level too fast, thats rediculus, adn insane to think like that. some mmo players in other games would kill to get past it as quickly as possible, most every game is built around end game...so let em cry about getting ahead, they are insane! reminds me of million dollar baby, upset she gave em a house...anyway my point is, its a gift to be able to level fast so plz keep it that way! as a boon for the players when SWTOR added 5 more levels they had a couple weeks of double XP so players could level faster...the players loved the em for it!
overpowered:
i play final fantasy14, you can cross class any class adding powers from each of them and lern any skill and trade in the game combining them all to make it easier to play your role in missions and raids. this is a perk for the other players who dont want nerfing or weakened team mates, they wanna pwn the dungeon not follow a politically correct crawl like a bunch of old croanish women...let the players cry and just deal with having it good, rather then forcing the people with ambition to be bound by underachievers!
Ships:
a variety is always good and what i read about whats coming up sounds promising, so plz dont nerf anything good, give us the power u promised to rebuild what we lost last time. when u guys put something like this together, dont let the buzzkill section try to ruin it for the rest of us, lets see your full hand and earn some awards this year for excellence, i would like to shine on the battle field not bear a walker to stay on good terms with the liberal hipsters
crafting:
u reset all my toons...im not doing it again...especially for chance items. the time it takes to max out is kinda over the top, but i guess your making fun of the players who want to take 10 years to level. i can appreciate humor so no harm no foul :P
Bugs:
please go back over my history of submitted bugs and game messups, im confused how the game can have grown so much and been given patch after patch all these years, and still keep the same errors and glitches...plz fix what ive submitted starting with the taylor one, im used to my toon freezing in place during fights (not server or hardware, he can still pivot at normal speed and env unafected), but i have a ton of outfits and none of them could ever be labeled on any caitian or ferasan
Constitutional CLass:
im not really looking for a super connie just a way to have adventures with one, i can live with using it in foundry. u guys can create missions where we have any ship, console and setup...why not let foundry authors allow for us to use certain crew and ships, even names of them decked out to withstand the maps? it wouldnt affect pvp so no one should have a legitemat reason to hate on this idea. as it stands, the bad part about the T6 is this will finaly squeeze out any hope of using the current connie in any mission....the USS Kittyprize (TOS theme) is an original idea, i would like to continue to have it as an option. i know the big push is for jjverse, but some of us still like to play out this theme, plz be kind to this fan base concerning us, i know the problem with cbs, but it can be worked around and still be given a fair place.
Caitians:
more then likely you have heard of this thread, please give it a fair chance, the caitian is a unique and purchased race, it should be canon and we should be given our moneys worth out of it, you wouldnt deny vulcans pointed ears or andorians their antennas....caitians need their actual hair options. and bare fet, u now have the mesh fro it, u gave it to the gorn from the beginning, plz make it an option for caitina players too, in all reality caitians arent supposed to wear footwear....and dont forget to fix the taylor glitch.
TOS Bridge:
the description when i bought it was acurate and i was very pleased with the purchase, but since the patch the npcs are all wearing the new uniforms on it instead of the TOS ones, please fix this...my bridge is full of people from the future....no a different one!
cheat those who pay real money for ships from c-store but give free upgrades to those who buy keys or ships from exchange. That should be vice versa. Make those who didn't pay for ships, pay, and those who have already paid in c-store, give them free upgrades. But, no point in upgrading c-store or any other ship because of the huge gap they left, being boff, console, trait, mastery slots. This is why i have never brought nothing, and i do mean nothing, from in game, not keys, ships, costumes, nothing, because i knew cryptic would start ripping off players eventually and this just proved my theory. Im not even going to upgrade my FTP ship, stick it where sun dont shine cryptic.
you dont care about players, you just care about who you can bleed money from, and how much you can make
Sorry, but you've probably lost me. "Bells and Whistles" really implies cosmetic or a few minor boosts (~5-10%ish Hull/Shields, a power upgrade, a uni console or innate abilities, etc.). A missing trait, Boff slots and new space abilities are not "Bells and whistles" but significant functionality. At high-level play, you are making T5(U) ships obsolete, and quite frankly I find your claims to the contrary to be dubious based on the information provided; which is exactly what I feared the moment you announced T6.
Bottom line, the T5U as announced should be the free content (or, at a minimum, a lower-priced upgrade in a two-tiered upgrade scheme). If there is no (reasonably priced) option to provide the existing C-store T5 ships with full and balanced T6 Parity (Which I would be OK with paying to upgrade to), then no deal. A missing trait or slightly better stats as a bonus for the new T6 ships are one thing - no access to new BOFF abilities or w/o a full T6 ship is something else entirely - BOFFS are major functionality, not a minor boost like a trait would provide.
I don't mind paying money for new/better content. Not in the least. I do very much mind when i'm given the impression that the money I spend will be a waste because it will be impossible to be end-game viable with those ships.
BTW, I was planning on buying 3-4 more T5 ships for my characters now that I just came back from a bit of a hiatus. That's off until i'm convinced that I won't simply throwing that money away on something that will be instantly obsolete.
Tread carefully gentlemen. There's a fine line between a true value-add and a naked cash-grab masquerading as one. For your sake, I hope you understand where that line is, and which side you should be standing on.
Don't get greedy and kill this game in the process.
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
So Tier 6 ships will have 10... that's Ten consoles. So what then of fleet ships?
So will fleet ships gain more bonuses from the upgrade than non-fleet versions?
Good question. Here's the breakdown on Fleet ships. Right now, Fleet Ships offer +1 console slot, +10% Hull HP and +10% Shield HP over a standard T5 ship. If you were to upgrade a Fleet Ship to T5-U, it would gain all the benefits mentioned:
-Bonus scaling HP
-Starship Mastery passive abilities
-+1 Console Slot
The short answer to your question is no. They will have 10% better shield and hull than the non-fleet T5-U variant and have +1 console slot.
The short answer is no, they won't have any added benefits beyond what they have as fleet ships, but they will still get the same upgrade which will make them one console, shield, and hit points better than a T6. I am not sure right now, but that could make a fleet ship upgrade better than a tier 6 ship.
Q: Compared to T6 Ships all upgraded Lockbox ships are now Junk:
One less Mastery Level,
No Starship Trait
No additional Bridge Officer abilities
No Specialist BO Seats
I think you'll find this statement to not be true once Delta Rising goes live. A T5-U Lockbox/Lobi ships is still an incredibly powerful ship even compared to a T6 ship. Also, your first two points are the same thing. The 5th Starship Mastery level is just unlocking the starship trait.
I hope to be able to answer more questions later today.
Thanks,
Phil "Gorngonzolla" Zeleski
Cryptic Studios
Systems Designer
In summary, most of our T5/U ships are probably not inferior to T6 ships, but certainly different. Our 3 pack ships, lockbox ships, lobi ships, and fleet ships will have hull, hit points, and one console over the initial offerings of T6 ships. Perhaps the question is; Can T6 ships can be upgraded to 11 consoles?
So Tier 6 ships will have 10... that's Ten consoles. So what then of fleet ships?
So will fleet ships gain more bonuses from the upgrade than non-fleet versions?
The short answer is no, they won't have any added benefits beyond what they have as fleet ships, but they will still get the same upgrade which will make them one console, shield, and hit points better than a T6. I am not sure right now, but that could make a fleet ship upgrade better than a tier 6 ship.
Q: Compared to T6 Ships all upgraded Lockbox ships are now Junk:
One less Mastery Level,
No Starship Trait
No additional Bridge Officer abilities
No Specialist BO Seats
Maybe, *maybe* Lockbox ships are ~equal to T6, if the BO slot is ensign level (we can most certainly assume the +1 bo station is higher than ensign) and with T6 Fleetships that is even worse.
So a weak Hull and Shield Modifier and +1 console VS all the shinies? Not worth it. Cryptic take the Lockbox ships and can do a certain profane thing with it.
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
i was letting this stew a bit more and i still dont have a problem with paying to upgrade. yeah it would be nice if the upgrade made it equal but what ever.
personally i think they missed a great way to monetize all this that would not have ticked off so many people.
to add ship modules. much like the kits we have now for the ground. but each tier of ship gets one so a t5 ship would have 5 slots and a t6 would have 6 slots with only that one slot as a difference. but all the ships buy these modules with zen ... so a t6 wont have any different ability over a 5 but just one more of them depending on what the captain likes best. and modules could be lvled also to the captains level meaning i could use my ensign sci module at dahar master if i wanted but a lvl 60 science module would be better.
and we should have to go to a ship yard to equip them also incurring a cost not much but just a little like 500 dil per module to swap them out . keep it cheap enough we dont all cry about it . and in turn it would be used more often and people end up spending more dill without realizing it.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Tread carefully gentlemen. There's a fine line between a true value-add and a naked cash-grab masquerading as one. For your sake, I hope you understand where that line is, and which side you should be standing on.
Don't get greedy and kill this game in the process.
You do realize this is PWE you are talking about, right? Naked cash-grabs are what they do best. Why else are they continuing to sell T5s for 2500 Zen after letting us finally know how obsolete they will be in a little over a month? Or the "Win It Now" button for crafting projects?
Having read through a lot of these postings, I am in agreement with the majority that say they will not pay a second or third time for the same ship. I am not paying 4500 - 9000 Zen to upgrade all the T5s I have just so they can be less inferior.
Can't wait to hear how we are going to get nailed when it comes to ground and space gear :mad:
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Cryptic: If you think the bugs are bad, wait until you see our fixes!
ME: You just told us that evey T5 ship we have now including the lockbox and lobi schip is garbage.
CRYPTIC: Why? We said "minus a few bells and whistles" "Q: Will there be any story content that requires a T5-U or T6 starship? A: Absolutely not.
Our goal here is to allow players to play through all of the game’s story content without requiring the purchase of a starship. Owning one of these top notch ships will certainly give you an edge, but story content isn’t designed to require these ships."
ME: Sure and the tooth fairy is real, no you can pack this thing as nice as you want but al ships that are buyable on holodeck are inferieur to the the new ship that are coming with 'Delta Rising' that makes it garbage.
End of conversation.
Sure we must pay 'money' to upgrade our ships we already own, I am used to it by now (I dont think it is right let that be clear). But not make our ship REAL T6 is WRONG very WRONG.
On topic: The good is that almost every T5+ ship is upgradeable and something along the lines of 500 Zen (or a fleet moduleish item type for that cost) is something I expected when I first heard about T5 upgrades. The amount of ships, most dominatnly in most cases the more painful to aquire ones, which get the upgrade for free is also a pleasant surprise (even if its only one of my chars benefitting this).
Now the bad: Cryptic, do you plan to make "Mastery lvl5" and the special Boff skills "lame" on purpose? I mean as I understand we are talking about a additional trait your ship "learns" and 4 to 8 more boff skills (iirc: special boff = 4 special skills + 4 class skills).
Thats a big amount of additional stuff for one ship. If you say T5u can still compare to this you are either trying to make these additional skills almost unusable lame or something went very wrong down the communication line.
I completely understand that people are not happy about the costs involved with upgrading your ship to the new standard. But seriously. You didn't saw this coming? You paid for turning your T5 ship into a T5.5 fleet ship (more hull/shields +1console) but didn't expect to be forced to pay in order to upgrade it to T5-U (again, more hull/shields +1console)? Did you actually think this would happen for free despite the game's history?
When I heard about the new season involving a level cap increase as well as a new Tier of starships it was clear that we would only have 4 options.
1: Buy a Tier 6 starship and forget about your T5s
2: Upgrade your T5s to be competeable and to perform well in the new endgame content
3: Accept that your ship will be inferior but still usefull (as are T5's compared to T5.5s)
4: Well if none of the options above appeal to you I guess the only one left is to quit the game
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This level of extortion is simply unacceptable, and it's horrible marketing. I guarantee if you continue down this shady line of business you're going to lose a LOT of customers.
and so we should just allow a bad system to go into place? By the way Cryptic asked for our feedback, which we're giving. Just because you're a Cryptic fanboi and think that feedback is whining, doesn't mean Cryptic a) didn't ask for it and b) as a player base we should just accept it.
But you're right nobody forces me to do anything, including play this game and give them my money. But you'd think they'd take all this feedback into concideration and maybe think that their plan isn't going over so well with the player base.
And this is exactly what Cryptic wants. They don't want you to upgrade your ships instead of buying a t6 ship.
They want you to spend the inflated prices for the t6 ships instead of the relatively cheap price to upgrade a ship.
True but some of us already have the ships, while in the short term their may be little difference between the two tiers but eventually, probably just a few months down the road, the tier 6 ships will over take the t5-u's with either or 11 consoles or better boff slots, aka two commanders or an extra ltc slot, that kind of stinks to some.
Yeah and I'm just basing it on how quick I can see ques pop off, how long its been since really hardcore serious players have up and not logged in months, and the fact that a lot of people stopped all grinding due to the fact that anything they were working towards right now will become obsolete on X2's launch. Pretty much they have made decisions as well as ignored vital points to this games survival that I don't see this game lasting much longer. Just too much is going against them at this point and they gotta show their overlords some heavy duty metrics to stay in the ball game.
As from the statements above they have literally ignored the small fleets and keep the attitude that they will just join larger collectives and as one friend of mine said we aren't from their region so they are just going to quit playing. Then they will respond by saying don't say you are going to quit because in essence they don't want to see large droves of ppl quitting but they are doing it anyways with this X2 and this is why they kept a tight lid on it for so long or ppl wouldn't even have played seasons 9 or 9.5 now if they knew what royal butt hurt is to come.
Right now I'm kinda disgusted but pity you at the same time having to work with these people lol.
It feels like the answer was to take the rusted out shovel and drag it thru some new mud and try to sell it as a new shovel.
Just advocating on the KDF front here I got some issues with how this is being handled. For years there has been neglect on KDF development. A lot of us even paid these outrageous fleet module tax basically to get our fleet ships with no discount mind you. If anything the upgrades for us KDF should be all free. Being nothing stated thus far about expansion 2 leads me to believe that the power creep between KDF and Federation and Romulan ships are addressed and yet they actually have the gall to think we will pay for more substandard targ dung.
Makes me wonder if my 5 seconds a day to slot crafting xp projects is worth even bothering to login just for that anymore lol.
On a serious note if you guys have any pride I would strongly suggest working something out with CBS on handing ownership of the game over to a developer who is going to seriously handle a game for this franchise. No offense but Cryptic just has let us down too many times to see any other future for this game but that is my 2 cents just being honest about it all.
Staying on the cutting edge is a big deal for a lot of people, some of these ships had a lot of time and/or money invested in them, in order to get them as cutting edge as possible. Now those people are finding out that all of that is a dead end.
I think the frustration we are experiencing here is a bit more understandable in that light.
My Starfleet Captain flies a Assault Cruiser.
I'm doubly annoyed because this is the second time they have been cheated on a ship upgrade (a Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit is a completely different vessel to the the Assault Cruiser, therefore, I had no use for it).
My KDF Captain flies a Negh'Var.
Because I do not have access to the Fleet version at this time, it will also be ineligible for upgrades.
I'm hoping the upcoming content does not make T5U ships manditory, otherwise these two captains won't be able to play any of the T5U storyline!
I'm actually giving serious consideration to not playing the DR expansion at all.
It won't take much to make me reject the expansion completely, I'm very close to ignoring it at this point.
This could be a factor pushing me towards that decision.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
and now (and we all know it will be the upper "limit") at least another 1000 Zen to upgrade it.
I would throw in the suggestion that Multi-Ship Packs should get the upgrade for free... or I am going to be VERY disappointed...
It wont cost me a penny, but I look forward to X2.
i read people upset that we level too fast, thats rediculus, adn insane to think like that. some mmo players in other games would kill to get past it as quickly as possible, most every game is built around end game...so let em cry about getting ahead, they are insane! reminds me of million dollar baby, upset she gave em a house...anyway my point is, its a gift to be able to level fast so plz keep it that way! as a boon for the players when SWTOR added 5 more levels they had a couple weeks of double XP so players could level faster...the players loved the em for it!
overpowered:
i play final fantasy14, you can cross class any class adding powers from each of them and lern any skill and trade in the game combining them all to make it easier to play your role in missions and raids. this is a perk for the other players who dont want nerfing or weakened team mates, they wanna pwn the dungeon not follow a politically correct crawl like a bunch of old croanish women...let the players cry and just deal with having it good, rather then forcing the people with ambition to be bound by underachievers!
Ships:
a variety is always good and what i read about whats coming up sounds promising, so plz dont nerf anything good, give us the power u promised to rebuild what we lost last time. when u guys put something like this together, dont let the buzzkill section try to ruin it for the rest of us, lets see your full hand and earn some awards this year for excellence, i would like to shine on the battle field not bear a walker to stay on good terms with the liberal hipsters
crafting:
u reset all my toons...im not doing it again...especially for chance items. the time it takes to max out is kinda over the top, but i guess your making fun of the players who want to take 10 years to level. i can appreciate humor so no harm no foul :P
Bugs:
please go back over my history of submitted bugs and game messups, im confused how the game can have grown so much and been given patch after patch all these years, and still keep the same errors and glitches...plz fix what ive submitted starting with the taylor one, im used to my toon freezing in place during fights (not server or hardware, he can still pivot at normal speed and env unafected), but i have a ton of outfits and none of them could ever be labeled on any caitian or ferasan
Constitutional CLass:
im not really looking for a super connie just a way to have adventures with one, i can live with using it in foundry. u guys can create missions where we have any ship, console and setup...why not let foundry authors allow for us to use certain crew and ships, even names of them decked out to withstand the maps? it wouldnt affect pvp so no one should have a legitemat reason to hate on this idea. as it stands, the bad part about the T6 is this will finaly squeeze out any hope of using the current connie in any mission....the USS Kittyprize (TOS theme) is an original idea, i would like to continue to have it as an option. i know the big push is for jjverse, but some of us still like to play out this theme, plz be kind to this fan base concerning us, i know the problem with cbs, but it can be worked around and still be given a fair place.
Caitians:
more then likely you have heard of this thread, please give it a fair chance, the caitian is a unique and purchased race, it should be canon and we should be given our moneys worth out of it, you wouldnt deny vulcans pointed ears or andorians their antennas....caitians need their actual hair options. and bare fet, u now have the mesh fro it, u gave it to the gorn from the beginning, plz make it an option for caitina players too, in all reality caitians arent supposed to wear footwear....and dont forget to fix the taylor glitch.
TOS Bridge:
the description when i bought it was acurate and i was very pleased with the purchase, but since the patch the npcs are all wearing the new uniforms on it instead of the TOS ones, please fix this...my bridge is full of people from the future....no a different one!
They already said T5U & T6 ships are not mandatory to play the new content.
you dont care about players, you just care about who you can bleed money from, and how much you can make
Bottom line, the T5U as announced should be the free content (or, at a minimum, a lower-priced upgrade in a two-tiered upgrade scheme). If there is no (reasonably priced) option to provide the existing C-store T5 ships with full and balanced T6 Parity (Which I would be OK with paying to upgrade to), then no deal. A missing trait or slightly better stats as a bonus for the new T6 ships are one thing - no access to new BOFF abilities or w/o a full T6 ship is something else entirely - BOFFS are major functionality, not a minor boost like a trait would provide.
I don't mind paying money for new/better content. Not in the least. I do very much mind when i'm given the impression that the money I spend will be a waste because it will be impossible to be end-game viable with those ships.
BTW, I was planning on buying 3-4 more T5 ships for my characters now that I just came back from a bit of a hiatus. That's off until i'm convinced that I won't simply throwing that money away on something that will be instantly obsolete.
Tread carefully gentlemen. There's a fine line between a true value-add and a naked cash-grab masquerading as one. For your sake, I hope you understand where that line is, and which side you should be standing on.
Don't get greedy and kill this game in the process.
So Tier 6 ships will have 10... that's Ten consoles. So what then of fleet ships?
So will fleet ships gain more bonuses from the upgrade than non-fleet versions?
The short answer is no, they won't have any added benefits beyond what they have as fleet ships, but they will still get the same upgrade which will make them one console, shield, and hit points better than a T6. I am not sure right now, but that could make a fleet ship upgrade better than a tier 6 ship.
Q: Compared to T6 Ships all upgraded Lockbox ships are now Junk:
One less Mastery Level,
No Starship Trait
No additional Bridge Officer abilities
No Specialist BO Seats
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Member since December 2009
Member since December 2009
just a whiskers late for that they got greedy long time ago in a far far away galaxy
Maybe, *maybe* Lockbox ships are ~equal to T6, if the BO slot is ensign level (we can most certainly assume the +1 bo station is higher than ensign) and with T6 Fleetships that is even worse.
So a weak Hull and Shield Modifier and +1 console VS all the shinies? Not worth it. Cryptic take the Lockbox ships and can do a certain profane thing with it.
personally i think they missed a great way to monetize all this that would not have ticked off so many people.
to add ship modules. much like the kits we have now for the ground. but each tier of ship gets one so a t5 ship would have 5 slots and a t6 would have 6 slots with only that one slot as a difference. but all the ships buy these modules with zen ... so a t6 wont have any different ability over a 5 but just one more of them depending on what the captain likes best. and modules could be lvled also to the captains level meaning i could use my ensign sci module at dahar master if i wanted but a lvl 60 science module would be better.
and we should have to go to a ship yard to equip them also incurring a cost not much but just a little like 500 dil per module to swap them out . keep it cheap enough we dont all cry about it . and in turn it would be used more often and people end up spending more dill without realizing it.
So, you devs said everything from the blog would be subject to change due to player feedback?
Prove it:
Have a way to upgrade all t-5 ships to t-6. Yeah, its going to cost us. We'll pay for it either way. Forget the t5-u. t6 or nothing.
You do realize this is PWE you are talking about, right? Naked cash-grabs are what they do best. Why else are they continuing to sell T5s for 2500 Zen after letting us finally know how obsolete they will be in a little over a month? Or the "Win It Now" button for crafting projects?
Having read through a lot of these postings, I am in agreement with the majority that say they will not pay a second or third time for the same ship. I am not paying 4500 - 9000 Zen to upgrade all the T5s I have just so they can be less inferior.
Can't wait to hear how we are going to get nailed when it comes to ground and space gear :mad:
Cryptic: If you think the bugs are bad, wait until you see our fixes!
they listen to feedback? since when?
What if folks would prefer the T5-U11 to the T6?
ME: You just told us that evey T5 ship we have now including the lockbox and lobi schip is garbage.
CRYPTIC: Why? We said "minus a few bells and whistles" "Q: Will there be any story content that requires a T5-U or T6 starship? A: Absolutely not.
Our goal here is to allow players to play through all of the game’s story content without requiring the purchase of a starship. Owning one of these top notch ships will certainly give you an edge, but story content isn’t designed to require these ships."
ME: Sure and the tooth fairy is real, no you can pack this thing as nice as you want but al ships that are buyable on holodeck are inferieur to the the new ship that are coming with 'Delta Rising' that makes it garbage.
End of conversation.
Sure we must pay 'money' to upgrade our ships we already own, I am used to it by now (I dont think it is right let that be clear). But not make our ship REAL T6 is WRONG very WRONG.
I did the missions from commander to rear admiral in my Commander level ship without significant problems.
Now if your concerns were PvP related or Elite STF's designed while testing with a T6 ships... Now that's something completely different.
On topic: The good is that almost every T5+ ship is upgradeable and something along the lines of 500 Zen (or a fleet moduleish item type for that cost) is something I expected when I first heard about T5 upgrades. The amount of ships, most dominatnly in most cases the more painful to aquire ones, which get the upgrade for free is also a pleasant surprise (even if its only one of my chars benefitting this).
Now the bad: Cryptic, do you plan to make "Mastery lvl5" and the special Boff skills "lame" on purpose? I mean as I understand we are talking about a additional trait your ship "learns" and 4 to 8 more boff skills (iirc: special boff = 4 special skills + 4 class skills).
Thats a big amount of additional stuff for one ship. If you say T5u can still compare to this you are either trying to make these additional skills almost unusable lame or something went very wrong down the communication line.
When I heard about the new season involving a level cap increase as well as a new Tier of starships it was clear that we would only have 4 options.
1: Buy a Tier 6 starship and forget about your T5s
2: Upgrade your T5s to be competeable and to perform well in the new endgame content
3: Accept that your ship will be inferior but still usefull (as are T5's compared to T5.5s)
4: Well if none of the options above appeal to you I guess the only one left is to quit the game