Why wasn't there this much raging when Fleet Ships were announced? Paying for the same ship again.
Then again that was years ago, maybe there was raging, i just don't remember it.
There was 'some' disquiet but this was an upgrade process that was handled better.
'Most' ships that people flew had a fleet version and could be upgraded to be THE BEST version of a ship out there (not 2nd rate like T5-FU).
The cost of the upgrade was known and reasonable but required 'ALOT' work to get there (fleets needing to get their starbases upgraded). Much disquiet was around the resource/commitment needed to unlock T5 (our kdf base is still T4 so a Fleet Vo'Quv is still out of my reach!)
Information was disclosed all at once rather than dripfed. You knew what you were getting and you know how it compared to what else was going to be out there.
Lockbox ships (pre-lobi iirc) such as the dkora, galor and bug were upgraded (for free) to be the BEST of the BEST (again not 2nd rate like T5-FU).
I am not saying all was perfect.. although the Spire holding helped a little there are still ships out there that we are waiting on a fleet version for (GUARUMBA). But yer, it wasn't an epic fail like this is.
I think ship progression is becoming extremely complicated when we consider T5, T5.5 (c-store), T5.7 (fleet), T5.8 (''T5U''), T5.9 (T5U fleet) and T6. Then the various impacts on account wide and character only unlocks, ship bundles etc.
I'd much prefer to see the upgrading system applied more evenly:
1) All c-store ships (except T1) can be upgraded to T6 with a zen cost (so that the total zen purchase = 3000). This would allow players to captain their preferred c-store ship to any level, variations in boff seating and console layouts.
2) All c-store T6 ships can be upgraded to fleet grade (T6.5) with the purchase of a FSM. This is not a new ship per say, just an upgrade like the zen upgrade is (that unlocks when the character is in the fleet with the right requirements).
3) T5 retrofits from fleet stores and 9 console mirror ships can also be upgraded to T6 with a zen upgrade cost. but not to T6 Fleet/T6.5 (similar to how they are now).
4) All T5 ship bundles are adjusted to be sold as T6 with increased cost, so a 3 ship pack would then cost 6000. Current owners can choose to upgrade the bundle (account wide) to T6.
5) All premier lockbox/lobi/doff pack ships are free upgrades to T6.5 and anniversary/event ships are free upgrades to T6
Summary: everything can be upgraded to T6 with a max total cost of 3000 zen per ship, whether you buy a new T6 ship or a T3 c-store ship that you've upgraded bit by bit. Some of these ships can then be further upgraded to fleet grade and lockbox/lobi/doff pack ships get free upgrades.
I think ship progression is becoming extremely complicated when we consider T5, T5.5 (c-store), T5.7 (fleet), T5.8 (''T5U''), T5.9 (T5U fleet) and T6. Then the various impacts on account wide and character only unlocks, ship bundles etc.
I'd much prefer to see the upgrading system applied more evenly:
1) All c-store ships (except T1) can be upgraded to T6 with a zen cost (so that the total zen purchase = 3000). This would allow players to captain their preferred c-store ship to any level, variations in boff seating and console layouts.
2) All c-store T6 ships can be upgraded to fleet grade (T6.5) with the purchase of a FSM. This is not a new ship per say, just an upgrade like the zen upgrade is (that unlocks when the character is in the fleet with the right requirements).
3) T5 retrofits from fleet stores and 9 console mirror ships can also be upgraded to T6 with a zen upgrade cost. but not to T6 Fleet/T6.5 (similar to how they are now).
4) All T5 ship bundles are adjusted to be sold as T6 with increased cost, so a 3 ship pack would then cost 6000. Current owners can choose to upgrade the bundle (account wide) to T6.
5) All premier lockbox/lobi/doff pack ships are free upgrades to T6.5 and anniversary/event ships are free upgrades to T6
Summary: everything can be upgraded to T6 with a max total cost of 3000 zen per ship, whether you buy a new T6 ship or a T3 c-store ship that you've upgraded bit by bit. Some of these ships can then be further upgraded to fleet grade and lockbox/lobi/doff pack ships get free upgrades.
Hell no! It'll be a cold day in hell where I pay for the same **** twice. Especially not for MORE than what I paid. You are crazier than cryptic/PWE, and that's saying something.
Hell no! It'll be a cold day in hell where I pay for the same **** twice. Especially not for MORE than what I paid. You are crazier than cryptic/PWE, and that's saying something.
I think you misunderstand me, if you have a T5 c-store ship that cost 2500 zen now, you pay 500 zen to become full T6 (total invested zen cost = 3000).
Cryptic are currently suggesting that you pay at least that amount to get less than T6, their so called T5U.
Comparing software items to real life items is wrong.Any old real item has a resale value aka you can sell your old mercedes (and quite well I might add) or your old HD TV
I don't see any option to sell back/to others our software items aka our T5 ships.
More the same things were said in another thread and I pinpointed there that costs in producing a real life item are per unit while producing software is one time cost so it is not correct to compare real life items to software products.(Even in accounting there are considered different types of assets)
In this case, though it is comparable. you're not really paying for an item.... you're paying for a service. Adding features to a service to expand it past the service you initial bought costs extra. Simple fact of life. As the influx of money is to pay for services, not items, not software.... SERVICES. You can continue to use your T5 service you purchased, or you can upgrade it to a T5-U service for a nominal fee
PWE doesn't make money by people just logging in and using a service... STO is not adware driven with maintenance being covered by sponsors...... they make money by selling services.
I think you misunderstand me, if you have a T5 c-store ship that cost 2500 zen now, you pay 500 zen to become full T6.
Cryptic are currently suggesting that you pay at least that amount to get less than T6, their so called T5U.
Riddle me this then, I bought the galaxy bundle and 2 fleet galaxy xs for 2 different characters. This occurred, ironically, the day before delta rising was announced. Should I pay more money? Don't answer, I will tell you... NO!
I agree. They are making it way too complicated. They are creating three new tiers of ships, T5-U, T5-FU (:D) and T6.
Really not needed. And if everyone could use some of those exclusive T6 features, they could make more money on lockbox traits etc. (not to mention the ships).
Riddle me this then, I bought the galaxy bundle and 2 fleet galaxy xs for 2 different characters. This occurred, ironically, the day before delta rising was announced. Should I pay more money? Don't answer, I will tell you... NO!
If you want to pay 0 for an upgrade, then no that's not what I'm suggesting. I just don't think cryptic will go for that.
Riddle me this then, I bought the galaxy bundle and 2 fleet galaxy xs for 2 different characters. This occurred, ironically, the day before delta rising was announced. Should I pay more money? Don't answer, I will tell you... NO!
They will never make it free. How would they make any money that way?
Make the upgrade to full T6. It's hard to evaluate the new Boff type without more information though. But I'm pretty sure those will be powerful and very, very monetized. So I guess if they want to limit them to some T6 ships, so be it.
They will never make it free. How would they make any money that way?
It's not my job to tell them how to make money. It's my job as a player and a consumer to tell them where they have gone wrong. Are they so unimaginative that they can't figure out any other way to make money? It's Star Trek. With the following it has, they will make money. They don't need to nickel and dime us to do it.
I'm really curious to see how PWE can ignore 142 pages and counting of absolutely unhappy players. Will that unlock Geko insulting the playerbase again? Hopefully not. Will it result in anything changing. Probably not. We all need to keep our money in our wallets and vote that way. Revenue is the only way to ensure they don't make asinine moves like this again in the future.
This game is no longer any fun, it's nothing but a grind. Now they want to take all my previous grinding & make it worthless & introduce more grinding. They made all my previous reputation grinding worthless, they've made all my previous crafting grinding worthless & I'm supposed to be happy & greatful? Can you say TRIBBLE? Where is that eject button?
They will never make it free. How would they make any money that way?
They could make money by just charging a flat rate of 2000 zen per captain to have ALL their T5 and higher ships upgraded. (Only for the ships they currently own, any future ship purchases will require an additional purchase) This is because some people have more than 1 ship they fly at a given time.
The regular Obelisk should be included in the list for a free upgrade since it was a limited time only ship.
The regular Obelisk should be included in the list for a free upgrade since it was a limited time only ship.
Wouldnt get included as it falls in the same category as the T5 Ambassador as a mission reward which gets them specifically excluded. The free ones were event ships requiring more than 1 mission run to obtain.
This game is no longer any fun, it's nothing but a grind. Now they want to take all my previous grinding & make it worthless & introduce more grinding. They made all my previous reputation grinding worthless, they've made all my previous crafting grinding worthless & I'm supposed to be happy & greatful? Can you say TRIBBLE? Where is that eject button?
Hence why I hope the mk12 rep gear arnt Nerf batted but the danger also is with these new boffs once a bug whifflebats its training by detraining his main skill it effectively would make it worthless much the same as to an keiv when whiffleskill batted to an engineer or sci
I know for shure i wont pay a dime any more for whatever upgrade...what is next step they will ask from me and others to pay the bug fixes...my god this is geting worse then SWTOR there you at least know what are you buying and paying...and that isnt a case here any more...LOL to pay for the SAME ship 3 times or more...that is like when i buy milk in store and next time i came they tell me i shoud pay more this time for the milk i buyed last time....ROFL
Yes the t6 ships will most assuredly be "better" due to hitpoints and the additional boff slot,s however those will work out, but please let us have a REALITY CHECK here:
The Current elite content is no challenge for a fully geared characters no matter the ship (not talking sub endgame tier ships here obviously, though lets remember the elite stfs were done with t2 ships...).
We still have the scimitar and i will eat my hat if any of the new ships turn out so clearly... superior. I mean the damn ship has major gank, tank and a "FCK YOU!!!! I BATTLEcloak with shields on!" button on a 9 second cooldown.
We have aux2bat'ed every ship and our ships really perform way above any norm cryptic might have taken as a baseline for testing stfs, considering the stfs can still be done by severely less well developed characters and ships.
So yes, the new ships, especially the release ones (they are the tantalizers after all) will have a slight edge with that one more trait slot and possible extra boff slots but the T5U will get the CORE upgrades: a leveling hull and traits, 4 of 5 traits. So thats not too far behind.
I am pretty much sure that whatever new grind content will come our way, it is specced for... less than our power gamer ships and gear.
I think considering the level of firepower and tank that we currently enjoy, the slight increase the t6 will have will be a paper tiger. Unless those boffs slots have totally broken powers and that last, fifth trait slots contains some sort of selection of uber buffs.
So... do not discard your current ships yet. There is on thing no new t6 ship will ever have: The iconic look of the current lineup.
I have a dedicated tholian recluse captain, one for the jemmy dread, one romulan in a fleet dderidex, one in a tulwar, one more fed in fleet GX....
If the new ships looks sweet enough to warrant a dedicated char? lets see.
I do not mind paying Zen ($$) and supporting the game.
BUT...
I would like to upgrade my current ship to FULL T6. With ALL the bells and whistles of full T6. Doesn't matter if it costs as much as buying a new T6 ship to upgrade my "old" Tactical Odyssey.
I simply want to fly the ship *I* like without being forced into a different ship to get all the T6 features.
This, to me, seems reasonable.
I think so.
I would also prefer if they kept it simple and don't make any hidden traps for people that start out buying a C-Store Retrofit, upgrading it to Tier 5, only to later realize that they should have waited for a Fleet Version and upgrade that.
KISS. Please.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Wouldnt get included as it falls in the same category as the T5 Ambassador as a mission reward which gets them specifically excluded. The free ones were event ships requiring more than 1 mission run to obtain.
They could EASILY exclude the Ambassador since you can get it anytime you want just by running the mission. You CAN NOT get the Regular Obelisk for free anymore. Hence why it should be included in the list.
SO all my ships I paid REAL money for are going to be obsolete unless I PAY more REAL Money?....guess I'm done with STO.
I'll join you too soon, i just wait for GTA V online for PC, release is nov 14th. i can't wait to trash sto into the bin. my fleet is also soon a complete t5 fleet and all i do now in sto is to help the fleet with the projects.
P.S. Thanks Cryptic for making all my hard earned Ships, Gear and everything else just worthless.
IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BUY ANY SHIP OR GEAR IN STO MORE, BECAUSE YOU WILL STRIKE AGAIN AND MAKE ALL OUR STUFF OBSOLETE. EVEN MK XIV GEAR IS TODAY ALREADY OUTDATED, WE JUST DONT KNOW IT YET.
YOU REPLACEMENTS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THE SAME SHIPS AND GEAR ONLY WITH SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS IN THE STATS. TRIBBLE THIS.
FOLKS KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR WALLETS, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN CHANGE THE GAME IN OUR FAVOR!!!
I ALREADY STARTED TO HATE THIS NEW SEASON "GREED RISING"!
I'm really curious to see how PWE can ignore 142 pages and counting of absolutely unhappy players. Will that unlock Geko insulting the playerbase again? Hopefully not. Will it result in anything changing. Probably not. We all need to keep our money in our wallets and vote that way. Revenue is the only way to ensure they don't make asinine moves like this again in the future.
You should not expect a corporation like Cryptic to move and alter decisions just after a day of feedback.
They need to listen to the feedback, evaluate it, and then consider what to do, and how to do it. They will not give you a new concept within a day. I would actually expect at least a week before you see any actual feedback on feedback.
That is not saying I am optimistic they will change anything. But crying of "ignored feedback" after a day is mostly unconstructive and not helping.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Riddle me this then, I bought the galaxy bundle and 2 fleet galaxy xs for 2 different characters. This occurred, ironically, the day before delta rising was announced. Should I pay more money? Don't answer, I will tell you... NO!
I will answer, despite your demand not to.
You paid what, $60, for the 3 pack Galaxy set and the extra two fleet modules, enough to get 2x Gal-X at fleet (T5.5) level.
Day before DR, today, Day after DR's launch and the introduction of T6, your precious fleet Galaxy Xs are still T5.5, exactly what you paid for.
In theory, outside of PvP, said T5.5 will be "fully capable" of completing all "at release" DR content. It might start lagging when the T60 queues come out (that expect 5-Us or 6s), but you could do the classic "bring a T4 into STF" maneuver with your 5.5...
On the hopeful belief that Cryptic is willing to go lowball on the upgrade chips, and only charge 500 zen (ye olde BK-modified $5 bill), then to make those two ships T5U would cost you an additional $5... Remember, once you buy the upgrade kit for a given ship, it's like the "regular C store stuff" in that it applies to all versions of that ship on the account.
Did I mention that if you roll a new toon, you still have that T4 Galaxy Refit and the T5 Galaxy Retro or T5 Gal-X to use until you invest the additional $5 to fleetify it and, assuming you fleetify your Gal-X, it too goes straight to 5U?
Does double dipping suck? Yeah. Does "covering the difference" between the ship you have now and what it would cost for a new ship of the appropriate level not suck? Probably.
Which then switches this convo from "OMG, I'm being fleeced" to "Is T5U really 'competitive' with T6?" After reviewing the charts and follow up intel from our friendly Devs, maybe not...
Clarification came down that the 5th "mastery" slot is the one that assigns the trait. Therefore, true T6s can grant you the trait, T5Us can't. However, once you earn the trait, it can be applied to the T5U. And there will be (lockbox) traits that can go on T5Us without having to own a T6.
Clarification came down that T6s are counting the "+1 console" from the baseline L40 T5 versions with 9 consoles - so 9+1=10. Fleet ships already have the 10th console, and since the T5U process hands out another console, it will make them 11 console ships. The original chart confirms that T6s will accept the specialist BOffs with their hybrid powers, however, we are still in the dark as to whether universal seats are confirmed to accept the specialists with their funky powers. If so (as universal should mean universal), then on many T5s that particular difference is slightly glossed over... (Vesta can run a LtCmdr specialist, Recluse Cmdr special, and Gal-X an ensign...)
To me, the primary difference between a fleet-grade 10 console today T5U and a True T6 will be the 11th console vs the 13th BOff slot/power/ability/whatever you want to call it. The true measure of competitiveness will only be seen once we find out the full details of specialists, and even then, that 13th console could be worth more than that 13th slot, depending on exactly what level said slot is...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
from what i can see, cryptic dont listen to da players tis a shame cause i was actually think of gettin de liftetime subscription i wont now if they dont listen to players i would b a fool if i did
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Which stands for "bend over, here it comes again".
There was 'some' disquiet but this was an upgrade process that was handled better.
'Most' ships that people flew had a fleet version and could be upgraded to be THE BEST version of a ship out there (not 2nd rate like T5-FU).
The cost of the upgrade was known and reasonable but required 'ALOT' work to get there (fleets needing to get their starbases upgraded). Much disquiet was around the resource/commitment needed to unlock T5 (our kdf base is still T4 so a Fleet Vo'Quv is still out of my reach!)
Information was disclosed all at once rather than dripfed. You knew what you were getting and you know how it compared to what else was going to be out there.
Lockbox ships (pre-lobi iirc) such as the dkora, galor and bug were upgraded (for free) to be the BEST of the BEST (again not 2nd rate like T5-FU).
I am not saying all was perfect.. although the Spire holding helped a little there are still ships out there that we are waiting on a fleet version for (GUARUMBA). But yer, it wasn't an epic fail like this is.
...#LLAP...
Huh, i don't remember that?
Hahaha! We get told that every season of this game.
I'd much prefer to see the upgrading system applied more evenly:
1) All c-store ships (except T1) can be upgraded to T6 with a zen cost (so that the total zen purchase = 3000). This would allow players to captain their preferred c-store ship to any level, variations in boff seating and console layouts.
2) All c-store T6 ships can be upgraded to fleet grade (T6.5) with the purchase of a FSM. This is not a new ship per say, just an upgrade like the zen upgrade is (that unlocks when the character is in the fleet with the right requirements).
3) T5 retrofits from fleet stores and 9 console mirror ships can also be upgraded to T6 with a zen upgrade cost. but not to T6 Fleet/T6.5 (similar to how they are now).
4) All T5 ship bundles are adjusted to be sold as T6 with increased cost, so a 3 ship pack would then cost 6000. Current owners can choose to upgrade the bundle (account wide) to T6.
5) All premier lockbox/lobi/doff pack ships are free upgrades to T6.5 and anniversary/event ships are free upgrades to T6
Summary: everything can be upgraded to T6 with a max total cost of 3000 zen per ship, whether you buy a new T6 ship or a T3 c-store ship that you've upgraded bit by bit. Some of these ships can then be further upgraded to fleet grade and lockbox/lobi/doff pack ships get free upgrades.
Hell no! It'll be a cold day in hell where I pay for the same **** twice. Especially not for MORE than what I paid. You are crazier than cryptic/PWE, and that's saying something.
I think you misunderstand me, if you have a T5 c-store ship that cost 2500 zen now, you pay 500 zen to become full T6 (total invested zen cost = 3000).
Cryptic are currently suggesting that you pay at least that amount to get less than T6, their so called T5U.
In this case, though it is comparable. you're not really paying for an item.... you're paying for a service. Adding features to a service to expand it past the service you initial bought costs extra. Simple fact of life. As the influx of money is to pay for services, not items, not software.... SERVICES. You can continue to use your T5 service you purchased, or you can upgrade it to a T5-U service for a nominal fee
PWE doesn't make money by people just logging in and using a service... STO is not adware driven with maintenance being covered by sponsors...... they make money by selling services.
Riddle me this then, I bought the galaxy bundle and 2 fleet galaxy xs for 2 different characters. This occurred, ironically, the day before delta rising was announced. Should I pay more money? Don't answer, I will tell you... NO!
Check this out for the lols...
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/1029800-season-6-dev-blog-%2316
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=325881
...my how far STO's come.
that was funny but true
If you want to pay 0 for an upgrade, then no that's not what I'm suggesting. I just don't think cryptic will go for that.
You are probably right an that's the problem!
They will never make it free. How would they make any money that way?
Glad you asked, puny mortal !
Make the upgrade to full T6. It's hard to evaluate the new Boff type without more information though. But I'm pretty sure those will be powerful and very, very monetized. So I guess if they want to limit them to some T6 ships, so be it.
It's not my job to tell them how to make money. It's my job as a player and a consumer to tell them where they have gone wrong. Are they so unimaginative that they can't figure out any other way to make money? It's Star Trek. With the following it has, they will make money. They don't need to nickel and dime us to do it.
when did gecko do that? what did he say?
They could make money by just charging a flat rate of 2000 zen per captain to have ALL their T5 and higher ships upgraded. (Only for the ships they currently own, any future ship purchases will require an additional purchase) This is because some people have more than 1 ship they fly at a given time.
The regular Obelisk should be included in the list for a free upgrade since it was a limited time only ship.
Wouldnt get included as it falls in the same category as the T5 Ambassador as a mission reward which gets them specifically excluded. The free ones were event ships requiring more than 1 mission run to obtain.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
Hence why I hope the mk12 rep gear arnt Nerf batted but the danger also is with these new boffs once a bug whifflebats its training by detraining his main skill it effectively would make it worthless much the same as to an keiv when whiffleskill batted to an engineer or sci
Yes the t6 ships will most assuredly be "better" due to hitpoints and the additional boff slot,s however those will work out, but please let us have a REALITY CHECK here:
The Current elite content is no challenge for a fully geared characters no matter the ship (not talking sub endgame tier ships here obviously, though lets remember the elite stfs were done with t2 ships...).
We still have the scimitar and i will eat my hat if any of the new ships turn out so clearly... superior. I mean the damn ship has major gank, tank and a "FCK YOU!!!! I BATTLEcloak with shields on!" button on a 9 second cooldown.
We have aux2bat'ed every ship and our ships really perform way above any norm cryptic might have taken as a baseline for testing stfs, considering the stfs can still be done by severely less well developed characters and ships.
So yes, the new ships, especially the release ones (they are the tantalizers after all) will have a slight edge with that one more trait slot and possible extra boff slots but the T5U will get the CORE upgrades: a leveling hull and traits, 4 of 5 traits. So thats not too far behind.
I am pretty much sure that whatever new grind content will come our way, it is specced for... less than our power gamer ships and gear.
I think considering the level of firepower and tank that we currently enjoy, the slight increase the t6 will have will be a paper tiger. Unless those boffs slots have totally broken powers and that last, fifth trait slots contains some sort of selection of uber buffs.
So... do not discard your current ships yet. There is on thing no new t6 ship will ever have: The iconic look of the current lineup.
I have a dedicated tholian recluse captain, one for the jemmy dread, one romulan in a fleet dderidex, one in a tulwar, one more fed in fleet GX....
If the new ships looks sweet enough to warrant a dedicated char? lets see.
I think so.
I would also prefer if they kept it simple and don't make any hidden traps for people that start out buying a C-Store Retrofit, upgrading it to Tier 5, only to later realize that they should have waited for a Fleet Version and upgrade that.
KISS. Please.
They could EASILY exclude the Ambassador since you can get it anytime you want just by running the mission. You CAN NOT get the Regular Obelisk for free anymore. Hence why it should be included in the list.
P.S. Thanks Cryptic for making all my hard earned Ships, Gear and everything else just worthless.
IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BUY ANY SHIP OR GEAR IN STO MORE, BECAUSE YOU WILL STRIKE AGAIN AND MAKE ALL OUR STUFF OBSOLETE. EVEN MK XIV GEAR IS TODAY ALREADY OUTDATED, WE JUST DONT KNOW IT YET.
YOU REPLACEMENTS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THE SAME SHIPS AND GEAR ONLY WITH SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS IN THE STATS. TRIBBLE THIS.
FOLKS KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR WALLETS, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN CHANGE THE GAME IN OUR FAVOR!!!
I ALREADY STARTED TO HATE THIS NEW SEASON "GREED RISING"!
They need to listen to the feedback, evaluate it, and then consider what to do, and how to do it. They will not give you a new concept within a day. I would actually expect at least a week before you see any actual feedback on feedback.
That is not saying I am optimistic they will change anything. But crying of "ignored feedback" after a day is mostly unconstructive and not helping.
I will answer, despite your demand not to.
You paid what, $60, for the 3 pack Galaxy set and the extra two fleet modules, enough to get 2x Gal-X at fleet (T5.5) level.
Day before DR, today, Day after DR's launch and the introduction of T6, your precious fleet Galaxy Xs are still T5.5, exactly what you paid for.
In theory, outside of PvP, said T5.5 will be "fully capable" of completing all "at release" DR content. It might start lagging when the T60 queues come out (that expect 5-Us or 6s), but you could do the classic "bring a T4 into STF" maneuver with your 5.5...
On the hopeful belief that Cryptic is willing to go lowball on the upgrade chips, and only charge 500 zen (ye olde BK-modified $5 bill), then to make those two ships T5U would cost you an additional $5... Remember, once you buy the upgrade kit for a given ship, it's like the "regular C store stuff" in that it applies to all versions of that ship on the account.
Did I mention that if you roll a new toon, you still have that T4 Galaxy Refit and the T5 Galaxy Retro or T5 Gal-X to use until you invest the additional $5 to fleetify it and, assuming you fleetify your Gal-X, it too goes straight to 5U?
Does double dipping suck? Yeah. Does "covering the difference" between the ship you have now and what it would cost for a new ship of the appropriate level not suck? Probably.
Which then switches this convo from "OMG, I'm being fleeced" to "Is T5U really 'competitive' with T6?" After reviewing the charts and follow up intel from our friendly Devs, maybe not...
Clarification came down that the 5th "mastery" slot is the one that assigns the trait. Therefore, true T6s can grant you the trait, T5Us can't. However, once you earn the trait, it can be applied to the T5U. And there will be (lockbox) traits that can go on T5Us without having to own a T6.
Clarification came down that T6s are counting the "+1 console" from the baseline L40 T5 versions with 9 consoles - so 9+1=10. Fleet ships already have the 10th console, and since the T5U process hands out another console, it will make them 11 console ships. The original chart confirms that T6s will accept the specialist BOffs with their hybrid powers, however, we are still in the dark as to whether universal seats are confirmed to accept the specialists with their funky powers. If so (as universal should mean universal), then on many T5s that particular difference is slightly glossed over... (Vesta can run a LtCmdr specialist, Recluse Cmdr special, and Gal-X an ensign...)
To me, the primary difference between a fleet-grade 10 console today T5U and a True T6 will be the 11th console vs the 13th BOff slot/power/ability/whatever you want to call it. The true measure of competitiveness will only be seen once we find out the full details of specialists, and even then, that 13th console could be worth more than that 13th slot, depending on exactly what level said slot is...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]