more interesting is the fact that they ONLY talk about T5 will have one less console slot than T6...but wait, T5 already has one less console slot than fleet level ships (T5.5)
So does this mean T6 has 10 console slots or 11?
Next question: Why don't they simply solve the problem of people wanting to still use their "old" ships by making ship models transferable to other ships of the same category?
anyway, for me (and many more people) it won't be much of a problem since for PVE i probably don't even need any upgraded T5 or T6 ship. So i'm not gonna bother, unless the new ships got some really good designs.
You guys do realise that this thread is technically not being read by the Devs any longer. After about 100 or so pages, Captain Smirk posted that he compiled the most relevant data to use as feedback.
I'd prefer they adopt the mentality of don't fix something till its broken. Then if something is broken to fix it.
I would actually prefer the T5-XYZ to the T5-U11. I hear the gas mileage is a lot better so you can afford to take the family to risa an extra time each year.
I do find it odd that the heavy bop which for a long time was a really decent ship in the game is now on their table below the poverty line of this new ship money grab lol. Albeit cryptic probally didnt put too much thought into how this would work especially for the KDF being we have so many ships that neither have a c-store nor a fleet ship lol. Much less worry about ever getting Tier 6 ships lol.
If someone really wants to do something funny they should upgrade a bortasqu'. It would be cool if they did a recall on it so no one accidentally thinks of buying that garbage scow again though. Now what would be funny is all those low level KDF ships though that look cool but never got a T5 version if they were upgraded into larger T5 or T6 versions so you could have like more than a few of the side KDF races ships to pick from. There are many instances upgrading could be good but I think they just went about this the wrong way.
KDF has no right to complain about their flagship being a garbage scow, I mean look at the Fed version which has two "pet" consoles which can't be used together at the same time. I mean at least each of the KDF's flagship consoles does something distinct and they can all work. Not to mention they don't make you guys worry about wasting a bloody console slot on a cloaking device. I mean if they want to give the Feds cloaks just do it... or better yet fire whomever it is at the Shipyards who keeps using this system and put one of the many defected Klingons or new Romulan allies on the job of making say the Avenger cloak properly.
That said T6 is a good time for them to RP wise just flat out say "the old flagships sucked" and literally say they got recalled and replaced. That would likely mean we need a new Enterprise though from one of the T6 patterns.
Also just for the lulz if Cryptic actually wants to make some people happy, a very unrealistic but "fun" "Tier 6 Constitution Class" would probably be amusing.
Or they could always troll by literally releasing Garbage scows as flag ships, after all in the Delta Quadrant they had an entire race that had a fleet of heavily armed radioactive waste barges that Janeway ran into a few times.... after embracing clean energy technology they sell the military surplus to the newly arrived alpha quadrant races who look at the old Flagships and decide "these garbage scows couldn't be worse" and thus a new era is born.......
Okay, I'm getting tired and silly, and on the off chance Cryptic is listening it would be nice if they read my posts (I don't expect any response, but don't want to be dismissed as a complete loon either....).
So let me get this strait, I payed $75 US (Actually $90NZD) for all 3 Odyssey ships and now your not only telling me i will have to pay even more to use my ship at max level but it wont even get all the perks?
I do think the T6 ships are little too overpowered. Even the blog makes them sound that way. when you look at T1-T5 you see a steady progression, which only a few special ships don't fit the pattern. The new T6 is not just a +10% it goes beyond it, and probably more so once people play them.
My hope is this:
1) Developers please use enough time to really test these ships out on tribble. Nerfing a ship after everyone has it sucks, and makes players become frustrated with the game. Great example is risan corvette with dodge bonus.
2) Fleet ships are suppose to be top of the line ships. Not giving them the bonus boff station is pretty much making them seem useless. I could see them getting only the special boff ability station because well they are fleet ships. Let other ships of your choosing get none, or just a regular boff station. But I do agree with others that the extra boff station is very important in keeping them able to compete with T6 ships.
3) With the zen cost on ships I'm becoming more worried that the ship equipment specifically rep stuff will now cost as well to upgrade. Like the T6 ships the mk13 & mk14 equipment will make event he rep system seem like junk, or useless to players. So please try to keep all upgrade costs low, because many of us have more than just one ship, or equipment.
4) In closing please remember that a frustrated player is also a player that may leave the game forever. This means less revenue, but more importantly a flustrated player will also tell other people not to try or play STO. Players are like customers for a business...and many unhappy ones will never tell you they are unhappy, they just won't come back. Remember this old adage "one rotten apple spoils the bunch"...for developers its one bad update can ruin a fun game. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL AND SURE BEFORE YOU RELEASE THESE CHANGES.
Thank you for keeping this game alive for so long...i hope it remains fun and people wish to continue playing for a long time.
Keep in mind, it's an extra BOFF ability slot...not an extra BOFF slot.
I'm not sure about that, the way it sounds to me is that it's a a whole new system with a set of abilities that will need to be filled with a Boff that has those abilities, with details on the new Boffs still to be revealed.
The impression I get is that you'll have your regular crew doing your regular stuff, but then need a special guy just to fill that one special slot, where his special abilities can go.
It's not just upgrading an existing station by 1, it's a whole new space abilities subsystem.
The impression I get is ultimately that by doing this they will probably hope to sell special Boffs to fill that slot via the Lobi store, and also get a run on Boff slots so people will have space to collect the new Boffs so they have options on what they can do with that position.
Since your ships are now garbage, can I have them? STO, please make other player's ships be used on trading. This guy and others have garbage to get rid of. And I want them.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
im guessing when you by mercedes, and mercedes brings out a new model. you call your old car a garbage, and you expect to get a new model for free. because it works like that, right?
im guessing when you by mercedes, and mercedes brings out a new model. you call your old car a garbage, and you expect to get a new model for free. because it works like that, right?
Oh of course, they must upgrade to each new car/truck model each year. Cause the new model is great and theirs is always garbage. :rolleyes:
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Analysis: I am very excited about the new expansion and Cryptics Tier 5 upgrade program seems fair, but I do have some feedback. First of all please don't make the upgrade cost more then $5, anything else would be excessive and make people choose between ships rather then simply upgrade them all, I know I would.
sure if you only have maybe one or even two ships $5 per upgrade dosent sound so bad,
what about the dyson mega bundle of 9 ships, even at $5 each that's still $45 total, that's nearly half of the total price of the bundle itself and at the higher $10 that it is most likely to be that's $90 on a pack that cost $100, if this isn't a scam I don't know what is.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I noticed that as well, and the Kumarag isn't on the list either. However they did told not all ships are upgradeable at this point. However more will be added in the future. Looks like they hit the most popular used ones.
Cause I rarely see these 2 being used much.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I'm not sure about that, the way it sounds to me is that it's a a whole new system with a set of abilities that will need to be filled with a Boff that has those abilities, with details on the new Boffs still to be revealed.
The impression I get is that you'll have your regular crew doing your regular stuff, but then need a special guy just to fill that one special slot, where his special abilities can go.
It's not just upgrading an existing station by 1, it's a whole new space abilities subsystem.
The impression I get is ultimately that by doing this they will probably hope to sell special Boffs to fill that slot via the Lobi store, and also get a run on Boff slots so people will have space to collect the new Boffs so they have options on what they can do with that position.
Where did you get that impression though? No dev nor blog has mentioned it.
Both the T6 and T5-U blogs mention an additional BOFF ability.
The T6 blog mentions a hybrid BOFF seat, not an additional BOFF seat.
There's no mention of the T6 ships having an additional BOFF seat/slot.
Further, they've said that not all T6 ships will have the hybrid seats and thus not all T6 ships will be able to take advantage of the Specialist BOFFs that have access to both the career abilities and specialist abilities. It's only the T6 ships at launch which will definitely have the hybrid seats.
sure if you only have maybe one or even two ships $5 per upgrade dosent sound so bad,
what about the dyson mega bundle of 9 ships, even at $5 each that's still $45 total, that's nearly half of the total price of the bundle itself and at the higher $10 that it is most likely to be that's $90 on a pack that cost $100, if this isn't a scam I don't know what is.
and the joke is if I had stuck with the free dyson ship and not bothered upgrading to the bundle I would have got the upgrade for free.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Cryptic/Devs
There is a question everyone is failing to ask and it does make all the difference in the world regarding those who wish to buy the T5-U upgrade. Are there going to be Fleet T6s?
So let me get this strait, I payed $75 US (Actually $90NZD) for all 3 Odyssey ships and now your not only telling me i will have to pay even more to use my ship at max level but it wont even get all the perks?
Something stinks in a big way.
How did you wind up paying that much, I thought the 3 pack was a straight $50 US (5000 Zen) unless there is some game being played with currency conversions.
To be sort of fair, while I can see how this sucks, the game has been selling ships with the expectation that they would be replaced at rank up. For example if you buy say a "Gladius" escort or "Rhode Island" science vessel, your going to out level it in 10 levels, the big advantage is access to a console you can then put on your later ships.
With the ranks increasing, it does make sense that the current Tier 5 vessels will be replaced like the ranks before them, and the current system for upgrades is a fair compromise given that these were at one time endgame vessels.
I tend to think that ships which were character specific unlocks obtained through gambling should be a different case however (and this is coming from someone who actually has a lot of Z-store ships as well as some lockbox/pack/lobi ones). Especially the "super prizes" like the Jem'Hadar bug ship and the Voth Bulwark.
Periodically paying into a game you play, and which actually keeps it's commitment to develop and release new content (albeit not as much as I would like) is not unreasonable, as the game is a business, and it does need money to operate.
Where I think there is the biggest issue though is that the recent Patrol Escort Z-ship, and the Xindi ships in particular are brandy new additions to the game. Where one can argue that people who bought even the big packs (Aventine, Oddy, Bort, Andorian Cruiser, etc...) got a lot of potential use out of them as "kings of space" these other ships were sold by their own mechanisms and rendered obsolete very quickly in the scheme of things. Basically if you just chased a Xindi ship and spent a bunch of Zen on keys, or hundreds of millions of EC, or paid for a fancy Patrol Escort with a rear gun, I think in that case you have good reason to be pissed, though neither of those things apply to me (and I don't see anyone else saying it). Of course the Xindi ship is included under the specific points I've made above about "single character unlock" vessels, which I do think should get full T6.
For people who made recent T5 purchases right before the announcement, it would be cool if Cryptic offered at least a partial refund of the value given that they won't have a long-term endgame value, but that's probably hard to track, and probably too generous, but if it did happen I think it would be a gesture some would appreciate. I wouldn't personally benefit from that though because I haven't bought any Z-store ships recently (though I have a nice collection of them).
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Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots
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Good enough?
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
There is a question everyone is failing to ask and it does make all the difference in the world regarding those who wish to buy the T5-U upgrade. Are there going to be Fleet T6s?
My guess is yes after the T5U "upgrading" spree will end ....
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
Where did you get that impression though? No dev nor blog has mentioned it.
Both the T6 and T5-U blogs mention an additional BOFF ability.
The T6 blog mentions a hybrid BOFF seat, not an additional BOFF seat.
There's no mention of the T6 ships having an additional BOFF seat/slot.
I apparently read it differently than you did then, and it seems like I'm not the only one with that impression. It seems to me that "Hybrid" seat they are talking about which will be on all starting T6 ships (but might not be present on all of them) is supposed to be in addition to whatever else it had. It also mentions specifically talking about the new Boff abilities in a later blog from what I remember.
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
...as a reply telling me that there is mention of an additional BOFF seat/slot...
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
...when the above mentions an additional BOFF ability slot...
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.
im guessing when you by mercedes, and mercedes brings out a new model. you call your old car a garbage, and you expect to get a new model for free. because it works like that, right?
Wrong comparison.
The difference is that there was no problem with your ship, and no need to upgrade it. Cryptic created the reason themselves just to generate money. It's more like a refrigerator that stops working after a year because the manufacturer added a chip that causes it to stop working. Just so you'll buy a new one.
Since you are somewhat dense, what else do you think is the 13th BO power (NOT ability, the quote referred to power)?
Edit:corrected for typo's
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
LOL did you ever start a flame troll fest lol
From my humble view if you paid ZEN for a BUNDLE deal then that BUNDLE should benefit from free upgrades 5k ZEN is a lotta credit!
I would go as far as saying 250 ZEN for an upgrade to ZEN ships is fair for everyone, nothing in life is free as they say but to charge 1000 ZEN and then not get all the upgrades does seem a bit anti gamer. A tiered charge for abilities would seem fair also 250 per unlock for example but i agree with the masses being charged twice for something you own is rough, afterall it wasnt us that just moved the goal post!
T6 ships i suspect are aimed more at PVP'ers hence the rage fest (134 pages at present)
With all the cost reductions done for rep and fleets can we not continue this theme and make this transition less painful, quatity over quality will surely earn a bigger revenue for the company, does it matter if everyone is flying T6 ships really?
Lockbox ships are free thats good but fleet should be also, the cost of those modules is 500 ZEN each! and to get the latest ship thats DIL+FM+2500 ZEN (i'll leave dil in but im not sure as i dont pay the prices for modules its too high)
So what i am saying is making it more attainable will attract more sales = More $$$
If i dont NEED to have a t6 or t5U to continue playing why would i buy one other than vanitiy?
My guess is yes after the T5U "upgrading" spree will end ....
Actually my pessimistic vision involves them adding a new fleet holding "Delta Stardock" (or a similar name) or a T6 level to star bases, and then having fleets sink a ton of Dil and resources into the ability to make Fleet T6.
So basically, people upgrade their ships to grind with, so the results of that grinding can go towards getting the ability to spend fleet modules to upgrade their T6 ships. Not to mention people who will buy Zen to convert to Dil in order to help fill some of those huge fleet projects...
I mean if your going to get pessimistic, you might as well go all out though envision this:
inspired by organized crime movies, where simply paying money to the syndicate is not enough,
T7 planned for January (right after the Christmas event) will require cutting off a section of your finger and sending it in to Cryptic to prove your devotion after which they will flag your account to begin the new grinds and purchases. Apparently they considered first born children, but they realized with all the grinding STO players didn't have time to copulate... (sex would mean taking time away from the Elite STF queue)
You guys do realise that this thread is technically not being read by the Devs any longer. After about 100 or so pages, Captain Smirk posted that he compiled the most relevant data to use as feedback.
bet they pick all the fanboys for the positive feedback an not worry about da complaints
Second, some things will be excluded from Tier 5-U ships, which is fine as long as they are minor. These three things are Starship Traits, Specialist BOFF and an extra BOFF power. Well one of those isn't very minor and could make all Tier 5-U ships considerably more inferior then anyone wants including Cryptic I think. The extra BOFF slot. Why do they get an extra console but not a BOFF slot? They need both to remain competitive I'm afraid. So keep the new bells and whistles exclusive if you must but I implore you to give them the extra BOFF slot.
I agree with the above .
This is the least they can do to make T5U ships compatible .
Comments
So does this mean T6 has 10 console slots or 11?
Next question: Why don't they simply solve the problem of people wanting to still use their "old" ships by making ship models transferable to other ships of the same category?
anyway, for me (and many more people) it won't be much of a problem since for PVE i probably don't even need any upgraded T5 or T6 ship. So i'm not gonna bother, unless the new ships got some really good designs.
Keep in mind, it's an extra BOFF ability slot...not an extra BOFF slot.
I know, right?
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KDF has no right to complain about their flagship being a garbage scow, I mean look at the Fed version which has two "pet" consoles which can't be used together at the same time. I mean at least each of the KDF's flagship consoles does something distinct and they can all work. Not to mention they don't make you guys worry about wasting a bloody console slot on a cloaking device. I mean if they want to give the Feds cloaks just do it... or better yet fire whomever it is at the Shipyards who keeps using this system and put one of the many defected Klingons or new Romulan allies on the job of making say the Avenger cloak properly.
That said T6 is a good time for them to RP wise just flat out say "the old flagships sucked" and literally say they got recalled and replaced. That would likely mean we need a new Enterprise though from one of the T6 patterns.
Also just for the lulz if Cryptic actually wants to make some people happy, a very unrealistic but "fun" "Tier 6 Constitution Class" would probably be amusing.
Or they could always troll by literally releasing Garbage scows as flag ships, after all in the Delta Quadrant they had an entire race that had a fleet of heavily armed radioactive waste barges that Janeway ran into a few times.... after embracing clean energy technology they sell the military surplus to the newly arrived alpha quadrant races who look at the old Flagships and decide "these garbage scows couldn't be worse" and thus a new era is born.......
Okay, I'm getting tired and silly, and on the off chance Cryptic is listening it would be nice if they read my posts (I don't expect any response, but don't want to be dismissed as a complete loon either....).
whats the betting that on this end of summer c-store giveaway they give at least one ship that you will need to pay to upgrade.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Something stinks in a big way.
My hope is this:
1) Developers please use enough time to really test these ships out on tribble. Nerfing a ship after everyone has it sucks, and makes players become frustrated with the game. Great example is risan corvette with dodge bonus.
2) Fleet ships are suppose to be top of the line ships. Not giving them the bonus boff station is pretty much making them seem useless. I could see them getting only the special boff ability station because well they are fleet ships. Let other ships of your choosing get none, or just a regular boff station. But I do agree with others that the extra boff station is very important in keeping them able to compete with T6 ships.
3) With the zen cost on ships I'm becoming more worried that the ship equipment specifically rep stuff will now cost as well to upgrade. Like the T6 ships the mk13 & mk14 equipment will make event he rep system seem like junk, or useless to players. So please try to keep all upgrade costs low, because many of us have more than just one ship, or equipment.
4) In closing please remember that a frustrated player is also a player that may leave the game forever. This means less revenue, but more importantly a flustrated player will also tell other people not to try or play STO. Players are like customers for a business...and many unhappy ones will never tell you they are unhappy, they just won't come back. Remember this old adage "one rotten apple spoils the bunch"...for developers its one bad update can ruin a fun game. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL AND SURE BEFORE YOU RELEASE THESE CHANGES.
Thank you for keeping this game alive for so long...i hope it remains fun and people wish to continue playing for a long time.
I'm not sure about that, the way it sounds to me is that it's a a whole new system with a set of abilities that will need to be filled with a Boff that has those abilities, with details on the new Boffs still to be revealed.
The impression I get is that you'll have your regular crew doing your regular stuff, but then need a special guy just to fill that one special slot, where his special abilities can go.
It's not just upgrading an existing station by 1, it's a whole new space abilities subsystem.
The impression I get is ultimately that by doing this they will probably hope to sell special Boffs to fill that slot via the Lobi store, and also get a run on Boff slots so people will have space to collect the new Boffs so they have options on what they can do with that position.
Since your ships are now garbage, can I have them? STO, please make other player's ships be used on trading. This guy and others have garbage to get rid of. And I want them.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Oh of course, they must upgrade to each new car/truck model each year. Cause the new model is great and theirs is always garbage. :rolleyes:
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
sure if you only have maybe one or even two ships $5 per upgrade dosent sound so bad,
what about the dyson mega bundle of 9 ships, even at $5 each that's still $45 total, that's nearly half of the total price of the bundle itself and at the higher $10 that it is most likely to be that's $90 on a pack that cost $100, if this isn't a scam I don't know what is.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Cause I rarely see these 2 being used much.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Where did you get that impression though? No dev nor blog has mentioned it.
Both the T6 and T5-U blogs mention an additional BOFF ability.
The T6 blog mentions a hybrid BOFF seat, not an additional BOFF seat.
There's no mention of the T6 ships having an additional BOFF seat/slot.
Further, they've said that not all T6 ships will have the hybrid seats and thus not all T6 ships will be able to take advantage of the Specialist BOFFs that have access to both the career abilities and specialist abilities. It's only the T6 ships at launch which will definitely have the hybrid seats.
and the joke is if I had stuck with the free dyson ship and not bothered upgrading to the bundle I would have got the upgrade for free.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
There is a question everyone is failing to ask and it does make all the difference in the world regarding those who wish to buy the T5-U upgrade. Are there going to be Fleet T6s?
How did you wind up paying that much, I thought the 3 pack was a straight $50 US (5000 Zen) unless there is some game being played with currency conversions.
To be sort of fair, while I can see how this sucks, the game has been selling ships with the expectation that they would be replaced at rank up. For example if you buy say a "Gladius" escort or "Rhode Island" science vessel, your going to out level it in 10 levels, the big advantage is access to a console you can then put on your later ships.
With the ranks increasing, it does make sense that the current Tier 5 vessels will be replaced like the ranks before them, and the current system for upgrades is a fair compromise given that these were at one time endgame vessels.
I tend to think that ships which were character specific unlocks obtained through gambling should be a different case however (and this is coming from someone who actually has a lot of Z-store ships as well as some lockbox/pack/lobi ones). Especially the "super prizes" like the Jem'Hadar bug ship and the Voth Bulwark.
Periodically paying into a game you play, and which actually keeps it's commitment to develop and release new content (albeit not as much as I would like) is not unreasonable, as the game is a business, and it does need money to operate.
Where I think there is the biggest issue though is that the recent Patrol Escort Z-ship, and the Xindi ships in particular are brandy new additions to the game. Where one can argue that people who bought even the big packs (Aventine, Oddy, Bort, Andorian Cruiser, etc...) got a lot of potential use out of them as "kings of space" these other ships were sold by their own mechanisms and rendered obsolete very quickly in the scheme of things. Basically if you just chased a Xindi ship and spent a bunch of Zen on keys, or hundreds of millions of EC, or paid for a fancy Patrol Escort with a rear gun, I think in that case you have good reason to be pissed, though neither of those things apply to me (and I don't see anyone else saying it). Of course the Xindi ship is included under the specific points I've made above about "single character unlock" vessels, which I do think should get full T6.
For people who made recent T5 purchases right before the announcement, it would be cool if Cryptic offered at least a partial refund of the value given that they won't have a long-term endgame value, but that's probably hard to track, and probably too generous, but if it did happen I think it would be a gesture some would appreciate. I wouldn't personally benefit from that though because I haven't bought any Z-store ships recently (though I have a nice collection of them).
lets see...
Good enough?
My guess is yes after the T5U "upgrading" spree will end ....
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
I apparently read it differently than you did then, and it seems like I'm not the only one with that impression. It seems to me that "Hybrid" seat they are talking about which will be on all starting T6 ships (but might not be present on all of them) is supposed to be in addition to whatever else it had. It also mentions specifically talking about the new Boff abilities in a later blog from what I remember.
Time will tell which of us is right.
Did you bother reading what you quoted? I mean, seriously...this is what you quoted...
...as a reply telling me that there is mention of an additional BOFF seat/slot...
...when the above mentions an additional BOFF ability slot...
...no mention of an additional BOFF seat/slot...
...but an additional BOFF ability.
/facepalm
The difference is that there was no problem with your ship, and no need to upgrade it. Cryptic created the reason themselves just to generate money. It's more like a refrigerator that stops working after a year because the manufacturer added a chip that causes it to stop working. Just so you'll buy a new one.
Since you are somewhat dense, what else do you think is the 13th BO power (NOT ability, the quote referred to power)?
Edit:corrected for typo's
From my humble view if you paid ZEN for a BUNDLE deal then that BUNDLE should benefit from free upgrades 5k ZEN is a lotta credit!
I would go as far as saying 250 ZEN for an upgrade to ZEN ships is fair for everyone, nothing in life is free as they say but to charge 1000 ZEN and then not get all the upgrades does seem a bit anti gamer. A tiered charge for abilities would seem fair also 250 per unlock for example but i agree with the masses being charged twice for something you own is rough, afterall it wasnt us that just moved the goal post!
T6 ships i suspect are aimed more at PVP'ers hence the rage fest (134 pages at present)
With all the cost reductions done for rep and fleets can we not continue this theme and make this transition less painful, quatity over quality will surely earn a bigger revenue for the company, does it matter if everyone is flying T6 ships really?
Lockbox ships are free thats good but fleet should be also, the cost of those modules is 500 ZEN each! and to get the latest ship thats DIL+FM+2500 ZEN (i'll leave dil in but im not sure as i dont pay the prices for modules its too high)
So what i am saying is making it more attainable will attract more sales = More $$$
If i dont NEED to have a t6 or t5U to continue playing why would i buy one other than vanitiy?
Actually my pessimistic vision involves them adding a new fleet holding "Delta Stardock" (or a similar name) or a T6 level to star bases, and then having fleets sink a ton of Dil and resources into the ability to make Fleet T6.
So basically, people upgrade their ships to grind with, so the results of that grinding can go towards getting the ability to spend fleet modules to upgrade their T6 ships. Not to mention people who will buy Zen to convert to Dil in order to help fill some of those huge fleet projects...
I mean if your going to get pessimistic, you might as well go all out though envision this:
inspired by organized crime movies, where simply paying money to the syndicate is not enough,
T7 planned for January (right after the Christmas event) will require cutting off a section of your finger and sending it in to Cryptic to prove your devotion after which they will flag your account to begin the new grinds and purchases. Apparently they considered first born children, but they realized with all the grinding STO players didn't have time to copulate... (sex would mean taking time away from the Elite STF queue)
bet they pick all the fanboys for the positive feedback an not worry about da complaints
I agree with the above .
This is the least they can do to make T5U ships compatible .