There's no issue with Shon and add much as I like Data I don't think he needs to command the Enterprise-F just because you think he's a boring character. I think he's as interesting as any of the characters introduced in STO.
His main problem is that he's a unknown to anyone who doesn't read the Star Trek magazine outside of what we see in FEs.
If you've done the Tau Dewa dailies by the dozen's, it's not one time (and the story doesn't consider it one time either).
I'm serious; you're just looking for reasons to hate him, and mostly ignoring fair arguments and points about him (which does not reflect well on you, even more than you've already accomplished)
For the Record, I am not ignoring you or your arguments, or anyone elses. But you have to face facts that Shon has not done anything really impressive and outstanding. There are other more qualified characters which have accomplished more and are of greater consequences.
Shon is just a tactical Capptain who prefers phasers over hailing frequencies.
Seriously...how many people want some blue guy in command of The Enterprise?
It is generally assumed that The Enterprise E was lost or decommissioned before the commissioning of The Enterprise F, but it is also believed that Data is still alive as of 2409. So here is my question - if Data is still alive...why is Shon in command of The Enterprise F? Wouldn;t Data be the obvious choice?
Maybe Data took a promotion to Admiral. Kirk didn't give Data the same talk he gave Picard about not 'giving up the chair'. Maybe Data (in his logical excellence) felt he could do more controlling a fleet of ships instead of just one.
After the sacrifice of B4, I doubt that Data would retire when the Undine threat is still around, but that doesn't mean he hasn't simply moved elsewhere.
Data is way better. I would rather see money spent on Brent Spiner than other trash like "Season" 9.
If they can afford Tuvok and Worf...they can afford Data. It would feel more like Trek if we had scenes...like this!
Voice acting budgets are part of a "season".
And we don't know what they paid Tim Russ or Michael Dorn, but all actors are not created equal. Some actors want more money than others. To say Brent Spiner will take the same money as Tim Russ or Michael Dorn is conjecture at best, and wishful thinking at worst.
Calling some guy a blue guy is not racist. I just think he sucks as a character. He is boring and uninteresting.
There is nothing wrong with diversity...but seriously...there were better choices. Data was the most obvious choice and the better choice. He is established and he would give STO a wee bit more credibility when it comes to convincing people that this is Trek.
Data was a better choice because he is an established character, I can respect that. But to say giving STO "credibility" is a farce. STO doesn't need to give credibility to anyone. They're licensed and endorsed by the IP itself. STO has nothing to prove to anyone. Having Data in command of the Enterprise-F (or the E for the matter) would still result in people saying the game isn't "credible" in regards to Star Trek.
But this is all besides the point, and you are changing the topic. Stay on topic. The question remains - Why should some GUY with no history and established character be given precedence over Data when Data was already Captain of the Enterprise?
Because this is Star Trek Online. Captain Shon represents what Star Trek Online can do for the IP. Cryptic has no make-up budgets. They can have an alien captain like Shon without much effort on their part. Do you think the producers of Star Trek wanted a mostly-human crew, or simple prosthetics here and there to denote an 'alien'?
Of course not. But they had to work with the budgetary constraints they were given. Leonard Nimoy had little prosthetic ears and eyebrows. Marina Sirtis had contact lenses. Why do you think we never saw andorians on TNG, DS9, or Voyager? Outside of the holographic andorian in the episode with Data's Daughter, we never saw them. Budgetary constraints.
Shon shows to the players that Star Trek really is as diverse as Roddenberry's vision wanted it to be.
Sisko raised the bar on a colored actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series. Janeway raised the bar on a female actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series. Archer raised the bar on a washed-up Quantum Leap actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series.
Shon raises the bar again, this time an alien that isn't just "a bit of prosthetics on the nose or ears", that isn't a guest star like Shran on Enterprise.
And Shon's writing I actually like. Dave Rivas does a great job as portraying him as an aggressive Kirk-like personality, which we need in wartime -- but this latest episode showed another side of Shon. This time he was the one apologizing -- when in Dominon FE he was all about kicking KDF TRIBBLE and defending Federation territory.
He's not two-dimensional, and the writing shows it.
Real question is... who would you rather have as Captain of the Enterprise, Shon or Wesley Crusher?
Wil Wheaton isn't interested in coming back to STO. He plays the game. But he's more or less made it clear that after his experience with TNG, he (justifiably) doesn't feel like getting picked on again by a destructive fanbase. I can't say I blame him.
Anyone old enough to remember the Star Trek fanbase's reaction to a bald Shakespearian english actor trying to play a french captain playing the Captain of the Enterprise, will remember that Patrick Stewart was hated.
Because the fanbase was only familiar with Kirk -- and Picard was no James T. Kirk.
Generations never would have been made if it weren't for Shatner's involvement. They needed a legitimate 'passing-the-torch' movie for the cast of TNG to be taken seriously by the fanbase.
Because at that point, they were still making TOS-era films and people simply regarded TNG as a spin-off of people trying to ride the coat-tails of the TOS cast.
But here we are in 2014, and I rarely see Kirk vs. Picard arguments as I did back in the day. So what changed? What made people warm up to Picard?
Here's your answer: He was given plenty of time to grow and develop as a character with his own trials and tribulations, and show the kind of person (and captain) he was. The fanbase was exposed to so much of Captain Picard that they accepted him.
We've barely skimmed the surface of the Enterprise-F crew, and we're treating Shon the same way Picard (and the rest of the TNG cast) was treated in the early 90's.
As far as Spiner being expensive, I don't recall anything being said about Spiner. He can't be that expensive. Warehouse-13 was able to get him for multiple episodes, and that show was almost as low budget as it gets.
Now Shatner and Stewart on the other hand, they don't roll out of bed in the morning for anything less than six figures I'd imagine.
For the Record, I am not ignoring you or your arguments, or anyone elses. But you have to face facts that Shon has not done anything really impressive and outstanding. There are other more qualified characters which have accomplished more and are of greater consequences.
Shon is just a tactical Capptain who prefers phasers over hailing frequencies.
Shon is generic and boring. Shon is not worthy of the Enterprise.
Which is perhaps the problem: even just by analysis, the major events Shon has done (and contributed to) ARE cool to the majority. Not to you, and you measure them solely against past awesomeness from other captains, ignoring any credibility Shon does have... and you seem to think you can ask him to vanish just because of this opinion
Which, even with perfect arguments, would not realistically happen anyway.
And as iconians put it, Picard was hated when first unveiled, simply because he wasn't Kirk. Shon is no different, but some of us are actually liking him because we do actually like him, knowing many will come around. Maybe you won't (now or ever), but he's not that bad
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
For the Record, I am not ignoring you or your arguments, or anyone elses. But you have to face facts that Shon has not done anything really impressive and outstanding. There are other more qualified characters which have accomplished more and are of greater consequences.
Shon is just a tactical Capptain who prefers phasers over hailing frequencies.
Whether you'll get an actor depends on how interested they are in doing Star Trek still (outside of conventions) and how much your willing to pay them.
Tim Russ is still very much interested in doing Star Trek. Likely why he's done so much in STO. Brent Spiner may not be interested in doing Data anymore even if it is voice acting.
Which is perhaps the problem: even just by analysis, the major events Shon has done (and contributed to) ARE cool to the majority. Not to you, and you measure them solely against past awesomeness from other captains, ignoring any credibility Shon does have... and you seem to think you can ask him to vanish just because of this opinion
Which, even with better arguments, would not realistically happen anyway
I am not asking Shon to Vanish...I want the Devs to kill him off. They could have done it in the FE when he was piloting the Aquarius. Make room for someone with more Trek credibility. They killed Egg...and he was around for longer than Shon.
Like...even Lt. Daniels would be a better choice. Lookit that mug shot. Now THAT is Captain material. Torn shirt...a bit of blood...phaser holstered on his back. We have our new Kirk.
I am not asking Shon to Vanish...I want the Devs to kill him off. They could have done it in the FE when he was piloting the Aquarius. Make room for someone with more Trek credibility.
Like...even Lt. Daniels would be a better choice. Lookit that mug shot. Now THAT is Captain material. Torn shirt...a bit of blood...phaser holstered on his back. We have our new Kirk.
Which is perhaps the problem: even just by analysis, the major events Shon has done (and contributed to) ARE cool to the majority. Not to you, and you measure them solely against past awesomeness from other captains, ignoring any credibility Shon does have... and you seem to think you can ask him to vanish just because of this opinion
Which, even with perfect arguments, would not realistically happen anyway.
And as iconians put it, Picard was hated when first unveiled, simply because he wasn't Kirk. Shon is no different, but some of us are actually liking him because we do actually like him, knowing many will come around. Maybe you won't (now or ever), but he's not that bad
The role matters.
In that he was NOT playing Data. Some actors dont like their roles for a multitude of reasons. There's a real chance that Brent simply just did not LIKE being data and would not do so again unless it was for a significantly higher amount of money than before.
He was on Enterprise as well and played a significant role of that one. We the fans may love the character. But the Actor on the other hand may not.
Think i'm wrong? Look at Heath Ledger. Roles can effect actors in ways most people will never understand.
Vanish, kill, whatever the word is makes no difference; you want him gone
What you need to realize is that it won't happen, period (and Lt. Daniels? seriously? you're picking at straws now...)
You call it grasping at straws. I call it reaching the bottom of the potential candidates who are better than Shon list.
But the fact remains the same...All of these people are more interesting than Shon...yes...even Daniels (he is pretty bad TRIBBLE)
Shon is basically a mannequin. He has close to no back story. He is not extraordinary. He is just another guy. Perhaps if he was more fleshed out...perhaps I would like him more. But in the face of him having no character, terrible voice acting, no back story, not deserving of The Enterprise, and generally uninteresting and absent for MOST of the game.
Shon has to go because he is a terrible NPC that is as deep as a sheet of paper.
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In that he was NOT playing Data. Some actors dont like their roles for a multitude of reasons. There's a real chance that Brent simply just did not LIKE being data and would not do so again unless it was for a significantly higher amount of money than before.
He was on Enterprise as well and played a significant role of that one. We the fans may love the character. But the Actor on the other hand may not.
Think i'm wrong? Look at Heath Ledger. Roles can effect actors in ways most people will never understand.
I think it has more to do with the fact Brent Spiner has Shatner-level d-bag levels in him. Data might be nice and lovable, but his actor has levels of condescension that puts me to shame.
You ever see Brent Spiner get asked about STO at some convention? He was behaving like a jackass when asked about it. He didn't even know what Star Trek Online was, and his attitude showed he really didn't care.
The only thing that would get Brent Spiner into STO is a big paycheck. Michael Dorn and Tim Russ love the fans. Brent Spiner doesn't.
When it comes to salary negotiations, that alone decides the difference between a day of work at Cryptic's sound studio and Dave Rivas playing Captain Shon.
Wesley. At least he did some cool stuff...like...Static Warp Bubbles and chilling with The Traveler. He also was doing Star Trek Insurrection stuff with Native Americans before it Picard did it with the Baku. He actually had more foresight than Picard did.
Actually I was a fan of Wesley as a character, especially in his last appearance where it was revealed he could actually control time and space, it put him on the same level as the Q. Just wonder what he'd be like 30 years later when STO takes place?
In that he was NOT playing Data. Some actors dont like their roles for a multitude of reasons. There's a real chance that Brent simply just did not LIKE being data and would not do so again unless it was for a significantly higher amount of money than before.
He was on Enterprise as well and played a significant role of that one. We the fans may love the character. But the Actor on the other hand may not.
Think i'm wrong? Look at Heath Ledger. Roles can effect actors in ways most people will never understand.
And when Spiner was asked if he thought Data could come back he said:
I dont think that could happen. Look at me. I am a shockingly older gentleman. I dont see that I could wear that makeup anymore. I think that would look really stupid. I love the character and I wish I started it much younger, but I was already in my mid sixties when I started [joke]. I just dont think I could get away with it. Yeah they could CGI it, but why not just CGI the whole character and forget about me.
Perhaps Brent Spiner knows what most STO players know...STO is a bad parody of Star Trek. Perhaps if they allowed more Trek characters to be in the game, and gave the game legitimacy...Spiner would think differently.
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You call it grasping at straws. I call it reaching the bottom of the potential candidates who are better than Shon list.
But the fact remains the same...All of these people are more interesting than Shon...yes...even Daniels (he is pretty bad TRIBBLE)
Shon is basically a mannequin. He has close to no back story. He is not extraordinary. He is just another guy. Perhaps if he was more fleshed out...perhaps I would like him more. But in the face of him having no character, terrible voice acting, no back story, not deserving of The Enterprise, and generally uninteresting and absent for MOST of the game.
Shon has to go because he is a terrible NPC that is as deep as a sheet of paper.
Well, you've certainly proved how bottomless (and stubborn) your hatred of Shon goes
But, much like a candle in a hurricane, your request that Shon goes away simply won't happen whatsoever. And that's all that can said at this point now
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Well, you've certainly proved how bottomless (and stubborn) your hatred of Shon goes
But, much like a candle in a hurricane, your request that Shon goes away simply won't happen whatsoever. And that's all that can said at this point now
When you absolutely hate someone, everything they do becomes offensive.
"Look at that andorian over there, eating crackers like he owns the place."
Well, you've certainly proved how bottomless (and stubborn) your hatred of Shon goes
But, much like a candle in a hurricane, your request that Shon goes away simply won't happen whatsoever. And that's all that can said at this point now
Sadly...that is true. Bad design seems to permeate STO. I have accepted that.
Still...nothing will change the fact that Shon SHOULD go because he is a terrible character and is basically 2-Dimensional.
And there is nothing wrong with being stubborn. Stubborn people tend to be the instruments of change. Rosa Parks was also stubborn...so I am in good company.
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Sadly...that is true. Bad design seems to permeate STO. I have accepted that.
Still...nothing will change the fact that Shon SHOULD go because he is a terrible character and is basically 2-Dimensional.
And there is nothing wrong with being stubborn. Stubborn people tend to be the instruments of change. Rosa Parks was also stubborn...so I am in good company.
And there is nothing wrong with being stubborn. Stubborn people tend to be the instruments of change. Rosa Parks was also stubborn...so I am in good company.
*looks at screen*
*looks some more, disbelieving*
Did you seriously just compare not liking a character in a video game to the Civil Rights Movement?
Lesson learned: The OP is an idiotic nutjob no longer worth expending bytes over.
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Even if they killed Shon they would just put Winters, or another STO character, becasue they need a voice actor to be on call when they need him/her for a reasonable price.
Yeah, and it's why I sometimes hate intransigent opinions more than trolls...
especially when they twist wording and examples as fuel for their view, and you can't argue it because it won't change anything
I agree. Your views are intransigent. You should be more open minded to new ideas. It is the Starfleet way. I have new ideas for a new Captain. You, on the other hand, are too scared of change so you defend a cardboard box named Shon
Expand your mind young one.
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I disagree. Shon carries the same egotistical attitude the captain of the Enterprise should. Besides, this is our game. He's the Captain in our "world". You don't like it? That's fine. But I like him, when he's not in my system patrols. But by the end of the FE I was like "OMG THEY DIDN'T?!" I realized I was attached to him, like i am Koren and Jarok and everyone else in our world we interact with.
They may be digital characters, but those canonical characters the actors portray? They are characters too, and deserve our love and hatred just the same. I can respect Spinar's decision and his response to not want to play Data again. It is his choice. And people like Wang and Russ and Dorn and hell even Takai who love playing those roles, I can respect their decision as well.
Point is, Shon's here. Love him or hate him, he's here. And I prefer him over Cooper >.>;
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I agree. Your views are intransigent. You should be more open minded to new ideas. It is the Starfleet way. I have new ideas for a new Captain. You, on the other hand, are too scared of change so you defend a cardboard box named Shon
Expand your mind young one.
No, you have ideas for an old captain. You are the one who needs to be more open to new ideas. And the story of Shon is there for the reading if you want it.
Expand your mind, younger one.
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I agree. Your views are intransigent. You should be more open minded to new ideas. It is the Starfleet way. I have new ideas for a new Captain. You, on the other hand, are too scared of change so you defend a cardboard box named Shon
Expand your mind young one.
Okay, now you're just deliberately trolling me
Well, I know better (you aren't really trolling, technically), but still the irony is over 9000
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I disagree. Shon carries the same egotistical attitude the captain of the Enterprise should. Besides, this is our game. He's the Captain in our "world". You don't like it? That's fine. But I like him, when he's not in my system patrols. But by the end of the FE I was like "OMG THEY DIDN'T?!" I realized I was attached to him, like i am Koren and Jarok and everyone else in our world we interact with.
They may be digital characters, but those canonical characters the actors portray? They are characters too, and deserve our love and hatred just the same. I can respect Spinar's decision and his response to not want to play Data again. It is his choice. And people like Wang and Russ and Dorn and hell even Takai who love playing those roles, I can respect their decision as well.
Point is, Shon's here. Love him or hate him, he's here. And I prefer him over Cooper >.>;
In that he was NOT playing Data. Some actors dont like their roles for a multitude of reasons. There's a real chance that Brent simply just did not LIKE being data and would not do so again unless it was for a significantly higher amount of money than before.
How about Brent comes back as his Night Court character?
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His main problem is that he's a unknown to anyone who doesn't read the Star Trek magazine outside of what we see in FEs.
For the Record, I am not ignoring you or your arguments, or anyone elses. But you have to face facts that Shon has not done anything really impressive and outstanding. There are other more qualified characters which have accomplished more and are of greater consequences.
Shon is just a tactical Capptain who prefers phasers over hailing frequencies.
Son has never done something cool...like THIS
Shon does THIS
Shon does not do THIS
Shon does THIS
Shon does not do THIS
Shon does THIS
Shon does not do THIS
Need I go on?
Shon is generic and boring. Shon is not worthy of the Enterprise.
Maybe Data took a promotion to Admiral. Kirk didn't give Data the same talk he gave Picard about not 'giving up the chair'. Maybe Data (in his logical excellence) felt he could do more controlling a fleet of ships instead of just one.
After the sacrifice of B4, I doubt that Data would retire when the Undine threat is still around, but that doesn't mean he hasn't simply moved elsewhere.
Voice acting budgets are part of a "season".
And we don't know what they paid Tim Russ or Michael Dorn, but all actors are not created equal. Some actors want more money than others. To say Brent Spiner will take the same money as Tim Russ or Michael Dorn is conjecture at best, and wishful thinking at worst.
I believe you're looking for the word chauvinist. To say a sexy woman is better in command of Enterprise is insulting to the female gender.
Data was a better choice because he is an established character, I can respect that. But to say giving STO "credibility" is a farce. STO doesn't need to give credibility to anyone. They're licensed and endorsed by the IP itself. STO has nothing to prove to anyone. Having Data in command of the Enterprise-F (or the E for the matter) would still result in people saying the game isn't "credible" in regards to Star Trek.
Yes, yes it is.
Because this is Star Trek Online. Captain Shon represents what Star Trek Online can do for the IP. Cryptic has no make-up budgets. They can have an alien captain like Shon without much effort on their part. Do you think the producers of Star Trek wanted a mostly-human crew, or simple prosthetics here and there to denote an 'alien'?
Of course not. But they had to work with the budgetary constraints they were given. Leonard Nimoy had little prosthetic ears and eyebrows. Marina Sirtis had contact lenses. Why do you think we never saw andorians on TNG, DS9, or Voyager? Outside of the holographic andorian in the episode with Data's Daughter, we never saw them. Budgetary constraints.
Shon shows to the players that Star Trek really is as diverse as Roddenberry's vision wanted it to be.
Sisko raised the bar on a colored actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series. Janeway raised the bar on a female actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series. Archer raised the bar on a washed-up Quantum Leap actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series.
Shon raises the bar again, this time an alien that isn't just "a bit of prosthetics on the nose or ears", that isn't a guest star like Shran on Enterprise.
And Shon's writing I actually like. Dave Rivas does a great job as portraying him as an aggressive Kirk-like personality, which we need in wartime -- but this latest episode showed another side of Shon. This time he was the one apologizing -- when in Dominon FE he was all about kicking KDF TRIBBLE and defending Federation territory.
He's not two-dimensional, and the writing shows it.
Correct.
Wil Wheaton isn't interested in coming back to STO. He plays the game. But he's more or less made it clear that after his experience with TNG, he (justifiably) doesn't feel like getting picked on again by a destructive fanbase. I can't say I blame him.
Which is what Shon suffers from.
Anyone old enough to remember the Star Trek fanbase's reaction to a bald Shakespearian english actor trying to play a french captain playing the Captain of the Enterprise, will remember that Patrick Stewart was hated.
Because the fanbase was only familiar with Kirk -- and Picard was no James T. Kirk.
Generations never would have been made if it weren't for Shatner's involvement. They needed a legitimate 'passing-the-torch' movie for the cast of TNG to be taken seriously by the fanbase.
Because at that point, they were still making TOS-era films and people simply regarded TNG as a spin-off of people trying to ride the coat-tails of the TOS cast.
But here we are in 2014, and I rarely see Kirk vs. Picard arguments as I did back in the day. So what changed? What made people warm up to Picard?
Here's your answer: He was given plenty of time to grow and develop as a character with his own trials and tribulations, and show the kind of person (and captain) he was. The fanbase was exposed to so much of Captain Picard that they accepted him.
We've barely skimmed the surface of the Enterprise-F crew, and we're treating Shon the same way Picard (and the rest of the TNG cast) was treated in the early 90's.
Now Shatner and Stewart on the other hand, they don't roll out of bed in the morning for anything less than six figures I'd imagine.
Which, even with perfect arguments, would not realistically happen anyway.
And as iconians put it, Picard was hated when first unveiled, simply because he wasn't Kirk. Shon is no different, but some of us are actually liking him because we do actually like him, knowing many will come around. Maybe you won't (now or ever), but he's not that bad
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Tim Russ is still very much interested in doing Star Trek. Likely why he's done so much in STO. Brent Spiner may not be interested in doing Data anymore even if it is voice acting.
I am not asking Shon to Vanish...I want the Devs to kill him off. They could have done it in the FE when he was piloting the Aquarius. Make room for someone with more Trek credibility. They killed Egg...and he was around for longer than Shon.
Like...even Lt. Daniels would be a better choice. Lookit that mug shot. Now THAT is Captain material. Torn shirt...a bit of blood...phaser holstered on his back. We have our new Kirk.
How about The Doctor? He looks good in red.
What you need to realize is that it won't happen, period (and Lt. Daniels? seriously? you're picking at straws now...)
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The role matters.
In that he was NOT playing Data. Some actors dont like their roles for a multitude of reasons. There's a real chance that Brent simply just did not LIKE being data and would not do so again unless it was for a significantly higher amount of money than before.
He was on Enterprise as well and played a significant role of that one. We the fans may love the character. But the Actor on the other hand may not.
Think i'm wrong? Look at Heath Ledger. Roles can effect actors in ways most people will never understand.
You call it grasping at straws. I call it reaching the bottom of the potential candidates who are better than Shon list.
But the fact remains the same...All of these people are more interesting than Shon...yes...even Daniels (he is pretty bad TRIBBLE)
Shon is basically a mannequin. He has close to no back story. He is not extraordinary. He is just another guy. Perhaps if he was more fleshed out...perhaps I would like him more. But in the face of him having no character, terrible voice acting, no back story, not deserving of The Enterprise, and generally uninteresting and absent for MOST of the game.
Shon has to go because he is a terrible NPC that is as deep as a sheet of paper.
I think it has more to do with the fact Brent Spiner has Shatner-level d-bag levels in him. Data might be nice and lovable, but his actor has levels of condescension that puts me to shame.
You ever see Brent Spiner get asked about STO at some convention? He was behaving like a jackass when asked about it. He didn't even know what Star Trek Online was, and his attitude showed he really didn't care.
The only thing that would get Brent Spiner into STO is a big paycheck. Michael Dorn and Tim Russ love the fans. Brent Spiner doesn't.
When it comes to salary negotiations, that alone decides the difference between a day of work at Cryptic's sound studio and Dave Rivas playing Captain Shon.
Actually I was a fan of Wesley as a character, especially in his last appearance where it was revealed he could actually control time and space, it put him on the same level as the Q. Just wonder what he'd be like 30 years later when STO takes place?
Read this
And when Spiner was asked if he thought Data could come back he said:
Perhaps Brent Spiner knows what most STO players know...STO is a bad parody of Star Trek. Perhaps if they allowed more Trek characters to be in the game, and gave the game legitimacy...Spiner would think differently.
But, much like a candle in a hurricane, your request that Shon goes away simply won't happen whatsoever. And that's all that can said at this point now
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
When you absolutely hate someone, everything they do becomes offensive.
"Look at that andorian over there, eating crackers like he owns the place."
Sadly...that is true. Bad design seems to permeate STO. I have accepted that.
Still...nothing will change the fact that Shon SHOULD go because he is a terrible character and is basically 2-Dimensional.
And there is nothing wrong with being stubborn. Stubborn people tend to be the instruments of change. Rosa Parks was also stubborn...so I am in good company.
especially when they twist wording and examples as fuel for their view, and you can't argue it because it won't change anything
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yeah, you're the STO equivelant of Rosa Parks, alright.
*looks at screen*
*looks some more, disbelieving*
Did you seriously just compare not liking a character in a video game to the Civil Rights Movement?
Lesson learned: The OP is an idiotic nutjob no longer worth expending bytes over.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I agree. Your views are intransigent. You should be more open minded to new ideas. It is the Starfleet way. I have new ideas for a new Captain. You, on the other hand, are too scared of change so you defend a cardboard box named Shon
Expand your mind young one.
They may be digital characters, but those canonical characters the actors portray? They are characters too, and deserve our love and hatred just the same. I can respect Spinar's decision and his response to not want to play Data again. It is his choice. And people like Wang and Russ and Dorn and hell even Takai who love playing those roles, I can respect their decision as well.
Point is, Shon's here. Love him or hate him, he's here. And I prefer him over Cooper >.>;
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
Wesley of course!
No, you have ideas for an old captain. You are the one who needs to be more open to new ideas. And the story of Shon is there for the reading if you want it.
Expand your mind, younger one.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Well, I know better (you aren't really trolling, technically), but still the irony is over 9000
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I like you.
How about Brent comes back as his Night Court character?
Are you saying Civil rights never played a role in the greater context of Star Trek? Wow...you don't know much about Trek...do you? No...not JJ Trek..
What about Data's civil rights? Bruce Maddox wanted to copy his brain.
What about Hologram rights?