Are you saying Civil rights never played a role in the greater context of Star Trek? Wow...you don't know much about Trek...do you? No...not JJ Trek..
What about Data's civil rights? Bruce Maddox wanted to copy his brain.
What about Hologram rights?
I am perfectly aware of the role civil rights has played in the franchise. Some of the very best episodes dealt with it.
But you are not talking about civil rights. You are talking about having an irrational dislike of a fictional character. That's fine. You are allowed to dislike the character.
Based on the response to this thread, however, you are in the minority, and instead of accepting this you have decided to do something that amounts to an invocation of Godwin's Law (in effect) to attract agreement that is not there. Which makes you an TRIBBLE who needs a reality check.
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Andorians, despite being one of the founding races of the Federation, are terribly underrepresented in Star Trek. I have no qualms with Shon being Captain of the Starfleet's flagship. Just thank the stars that Kurland isn't commanding her :cool:
Of the Starfleet NPCs that you deal with in STO, at least Shon has seen alot of combat and is competent. Competent enough that Starfleet keeps sending him on missions of the most vital nature, and he doesn't roll over for the sake of the Federation's tenuous allies.
I am perfectly aware of the role civil rights has played in the franchise. Some of the very best episodes dealt with it.
But you are not talking about civil rights. You are talking about having an irrational dislike of a fictional character. That's fine. You are allowed to dislike the character.
Based on the response to this thread, however, you are in the minority, and instead of accepting this you have decided to do something that amounts to an invocation of Godwin's Law (in effect) to attract agreement that is not there. Which makes you an TRIBBLE who needs a reality check.
Or perhaps the Cryptic Koolaid tastes really good. It would explain why so many of the people who like Shon also like Season 9.
Shon is a cardboard box. He is not worthy of The Enterprise. That ship has too much history and importance to Starfleet to be commanded by a nobody. He is a nobody. This is fact. The Enterprise is what people call a "Cultural Icon". This means it is important.
It is a serious disservice to the ship to put a guy who shakes his fists at DS9 boardroom meetings in command of The Enterprise. Unsure what I mean by this? Go play the DS9 episodes.
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And for the record, I don't like season 9, or at least a particular part of it (that being the utter stupidity that is the Undine ships).
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Andorians, despite being one of the founding races of the Federation, are terribly underrepresented in Star Trek. I have no qualms with Shon being Captain of the Starfleet's flagship. Just thank the stars that Kurland isn't commanding her :cool:
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That they are, but the few times they have been have been great...Jeffy Combs is all I have to say.
BTW fun fact he was originally suppose to voice Shon.
I could get behind Brent being in command of the Enterprise if he was imitating Not Picard , but Patrick Stewart.
Oh, and by the way? Data recommended Shon for the job.
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Don't bother responding to him (please); because much like a troll, we can't rationally change his mind (or even argue about it)
'Cryptic Kool-aid' just solidified that he has no rational argument, just his opinion, and it's fact to him
You seem to think its fact that Shon is at least half decent. Yet, that is still an opinon that you refuse to budge on. At leasg I can explain my reasoning. All you can come up with is blaming poor Brent Spiner.
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You seem to think its fact that Shon is at least half decent. Yet, that is still an opinon that you refuse to budge on. At leasg I can explain my reasoning. All you can come up with is blaming poor Brent Spiner.
I don't just think he's half-decent; I like him, and he fits the role of Enterprise-F captain quite well, based on his deeds imo
And you've explained your reasons (and have been argued quite thoroughly). I simply don't agree one bit, so my opinion has not changed - all of which is my right, as if yours to hate Shon (it's simply the intrasigent 'ignoring reality' part of your opinion we take issue with)
Edit: gah, forgetting my own words... great
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I'll try to look for it, It was on a podcast Geko did a year back when he was doing a lot of Podcasts for LOR, and they talked about Shon, and how they almost got him for Shon, but becasue of scheduling conflicts it did not happen.
I'll try to look for it, It was on a podcast Geko did a year back when he was doing a lot of Podcasts for LOR, and they talked about Shon, and how they almost got him for Shon, but becasue of scheduling conflicts it did not happen.
If true, that would be interesting. Especially if it turned out Shon is a descendant of Shran.
Picard got the stargazer destroyed at the hands of an npc. Riker got the enterprise D destroyed at the hands of an npc. The defiant was destroyed by an npc in the second battle of chintoka. What's your point?
riker lost the enterpise to a b'rel because he had a serious case of dumb
i am sure shon knows how to say remodulate shields and fire every thing LOL
You seem to think its fact that Shon is at least half decent. Yet, that is still an opinon that you refuse to budge on. At leasg I can explain my reasoning. All you can come up with is blaming poor Brent Spiner.
I know it's been a long day Brent, Go home.
(whats done is done. There a lot more important things that need/needed fixing in game but you have to take a win whenever you get one)
Even if they killed Shon they would just put Winters, or another STO character, becasue they need a voice actor to be on call when they need him/her for a reasonable price.
Yeah that's the main problem I guess ... even if they'd pay Spiner to do some VO, it would probably a one time deal ... so the next time you'll see the Enterprise it would probably the last time ...
Paying Spiner to be on demand, all the time (maybe put him in an office at Cryptic) seems rather delusional ...
... pretty sure even Tim Russ will "move on" after the next VO ...
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Rosa Parks was also stubborn...so I am in good company.
So, you say Shon can't captain the Enterprise because of his race*, and then compare yourself to Rosa Parks?... there are no sensors strong enough to measure that level of irony...
*Whether or not you intended to due to poor wording, you still did.
hating the new captain of the enterprise because he has no back ground or character is the exact same thing that happened to picard when he was first said to be the captain in tng after kirk.
and look at how you are defending him. you know all those videos you posted of picard being diplomatic where all after season 2 of tng. give shon some time i did not like his as captain in the beginning but he has slowly warmed up to me
As far as Spiner being expensive, I don't recall anything being said about Spiner. He can't be that expensive. Warehouse-13 was able to get him for multiple episodes, and that show was almost as low budget as it gets.
Now Shatner and Stewart on the other hand, they don't roll out of bed in the morning for anything less than six figures I'd imagine.
I think you'd be surprised what Patrick Stewart is prepared to do on the cheap, providing its something he enjoys.
That sounds dirty, I mean to say he's chancellor of the university I went to. He attends graduation (or recordes a message for it for my girlfriends). He doesn't get paid.
Shon is a warrior. The Federation has been at war longer than it's been at peace... Yes Shon could use some learning in diplomatic skills I agree, but those times when he wasn't being very tactful, he had superiors nearby who could tell him to shut up. I think he tends to play 'bad cop' and is the attack dog of the feds. You need aggressive diplomats when dealing with Klingons. Just look at Curzon!
Curzon walked out while the Klingons spoke at a conference. Curzon swore a blood oath, which is against Federation ethics. He slept with the wife of a leading general when he was supposed to establish a treaty.
Yet, he was considered the Federation's top diplomat.
I loved DATA and i was trying to find a way to him come back, but since he was "destroyed" there it was not any chance to do that. And you tell me that he is not dead? lol how?? a new alternate universe?? lol.
I like Shon being the Captain of the Enterprise. Finally, a non-Human (humanity-aspiring) Captain at the command. He is much more aggressive and more open towards confrontation....which is a usefull attribute the Federation needed in times of war with the Empire (which is finally over).
We need to move on from all-known existing persons a little bit and head into the future. There are a lot more talented persons than a Data, LaForge, Worf in Starfleet ...
I loved DATA and i was trying to find a way to him come back, but since he was "destroyed" there it was not any chance to do that. And you tell me that he is not dead? lol how?? a new alternate universe?? lol.
sigh...
read the path to 2409, also foreshadowing concerning b-4 was pretty... clear at the end of Nemesis
read the path to 2409, also foreshadowing concerning b-4 was pretty... clear at the end of Nemesis
Im not going to read that stupid text lol. I know what i saw, and data died. Now, are you telling me that they found a really strange way to give him back? well maybe but honestly, i dont care. Neve liked 90% of the cryptic trek inventions, and if i see data revived in some way , that will be an epic failure.
So, you say Shon can't captain the Enterprise because of his race*, and then compare yourself to Rosa Parks?... there are no sensors strong enough to measure that level of irony...
*Whether or not you intended to due to poor wording, you still did.
I did neither of those things. You should learn to read. All the kids are doing it.
Also...why can't they recast Data with a new voice over artist? I have heard some pretty good voice over impersonators and I am sure a few of them could do a pretty solid Data.
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I want him back as the crazy scientist from Independance Day.
This.
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Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
I am perfectly aware of the role civil rights has played in the franchise. Some of the very best episodes dealt with it.
But you are not talking about civil rights. You are talking about having an irrational dislike of a fictional character. That's fine. You are allowed to dislike the character.
Based on the response to this thread, however, you are in the minority, and instead of accepting this you have decided to do something that amounts to an invocation of Godwin's Law (in effect) to attract agreement that is not there. Which makes you an TRIBBLE who needs a reality check.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Of the Starfleet NPCs that you deal with in STO, at least Shon has seen alot of combat and is competent. Competent enough that Starfleet keeps sending him on missions of the most vital nature, and he doesn't roll over for the sake of the Federation's tenuous allies.
Or perhaps the Cryptic Koolaid tastes really good. It would explain why so many of the people who like Shon also like Season 9.
Shon is a cardboard box. He is not worthy of The Enterprise. That ship has too much history and importance to Starfleet to be commanded by a nobody. He is a nobody. This is fact. The Enterprise is what people call a "Cultural Icon". This means it is important.
It is a serious disservice to the ship to put a guy who shakes his fists at DS9 boardroom meetings in command of The Enterprise. Unsure what I mean by this? Go play the DS9 episodes.
And for the record, I don't like season 9, or at least a particular part of it (that being the utter stupidity that is the Undine ships).
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
'Cryptic Kool-aid' just solidified that he has no rational argument, just his opinion, and it's fact to him
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
That they are, but the few times they have been have been great...Jeffy Combs is all I have to say.
BTW fun fact he was originally suppose to voice Shon.
I could get behind Brent being in command of the Enterprise if he was imitating Not Picard , but Patrick Stewart.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Sooo... the only time an andorian character has ever been regularly seen on a series?
Source?
You mean Shran was an Andorian? I thought he was of the Combs race, because Jeffrey Combs is cool enough to rate his own species.
You seem to think its fact that Shon is at least half decent. Yet, that is still an opinon that you refuse to budge on. At leasg I can explain my reasoning. All you can come up with is blaming poor Brent Spiner.
And you've explained your reasons (and have been argued quite thoroughly). I simply don't agree one bit, so my opinion has not changed - all of which is my right, as if yours to hate Shon (it's simply the intrasigent 'ignoring reality' part of your opinion we take issue with)
Edit: gah, forgetting my own words... great
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I'll try to look for it, It was on a podcast Geko did a year back when he was doing a lot of Podcasts for LOR, and they talked about Shon, and how they almost got him for Shon, but becasue of scheduling conflicts it did not happen.
I always felt there should be a Combs faction in game with just characters that he played.
If true, that would be interesting. Especially if it turned out Shon is a descendant of Shran.
riker lost the enterpise to a b'rel because he had a serious case of dumb
i am sure shon knows how to say remodulate shields and fire every thing LOL
I know it's been a long day Brent, Go home.
(whats done is done. There a lot more important things that need/needed fixing in game but you have to take a win whenever you get one)
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Yeah that's the main problem I guess ... even if they'd pay Spiner to do some VO, it would probably a one time deal ... so the next time you'll see the Enterprise it would probably the last time ...
Paying Spiner to be on demand, all the time (maybe put him in an office at Cryptic) seems rather delusional ...
... pretty sure even Tim Russ will "move on" after the next VO ...
So, you say Shon can't captain the Enterprise because of his race*, and then compare yourself to Rosa Parks?... there are no sensors strong enough to measure that level of irony...
*Whether or not you intended to due to poor wording, you still did.
and look at how you are defending him. you know all those videos you posted of picard being diplomatic where all after season 2 of tng. give shon some time i did not like his as captain in the beginning but he has slowly warmed up to me
I think you'd be surprised what Patrick Stewart is prepared to do on the cheap, providing its something he enjoys.
That sounds dirty, I mean to say he's chancellor of the university I went to. He attends graduation (or recordes a message for it for my girlfriends). He doesn't get paid.
oh that made my morning!
Shon is a warrior. The Federation has been at war longer than it's been at peace... Yes Shon could use some learning in diplomatic skills I agree, but those times when he wasn't being very tactful, he had superiors nearby who could tell him to shut up. I think he tends to play 'bad cop' and is the attack dog of the feds. You need aggressive diplomats when dealing with Klingons. Just look at Curzon!
Curzon walked out while the Klingons spoke at a conference. Curzon swore a blood oath, which is against Federation ethics. He slept with the wife of a leading general when he was supposed to establish a treaty.
Yet, he was considered the Federation's top diplomat.
2. Even if he did, he would cost way too much.
3. I am sure Cryptic has said that CBS doesn't want and Android as a Captain.
What the hell u talking about.
DATA DIED, in the nemesis movie.
I am missing something??? :eek::eek:
I loved DATA and i was trying to find a way to him come back, but since he was "destroyed" there it was not any chance to do that. And you tell me that he is not dead? lol how?? a new alternate universe?? lol.
We need to move on from all-known existing persons a little bit and head into the future. There are a lot more talented persons than a Data, LaForge, Worf in Starfleet ...
sigh...
read the path to 2409, also foreshadowing concerning b-4 was pretty... clear at the end of Nemesis
Im not going to read that stupid text lol. I know what i saw, and data died. Now, are you telling me that they found a really strange way to give him back? well maybe but honestly, i dont care. Neve liked 90% of the cryptic trek inventions, and if i see data revived in some way , that will be an epic failure.
I did neither of those things. You should learn to read. All the kids are doing it.
Also...why can't they recast Data with a new voice over artist? I have heard some pretty good voice over impersonators and I am sure a few of them could do a pretty solid Data.