Im not going to read that stupid text lol. I know what i saw, and data died. Now, are you telling me that they found a really strange way to give him back? well maybe but honestly, i dont care. Neve liked 90% of the cryptic trek inventions, and if i see data revived in some way , that will be an epic failure.
They actually tell you how he did it in Nemesis... he had copied his personality and memories to b-4, but b-4 lacked the ability to process it at the time.
Im not going to read that stupid text lol. I know what i saw, and data died. Now, are you telling me that they found a really strange way to give him back? well maybe but honestly, i dont care. Neve liked 90% of the cryptic trek inventions, and if i see data revived in some way , that will be an epic failure.
There's the type of logic I expect from you. TRIBBLE reading and learning. That's for big city folks, right?
If you watched Nemesis then you know Data put his brain pattern into B4. At the end of Nemesis B4 was singing/humming the song that Data was singing at Riker's wedding. That's why Picard smiled: because he knew Data was in B4.
Now if you go to the countdown comic you will see that Data was brought back in B4's body by Geordi and several other scientists. The countdown comic was a joint project by cbs and paramount as a prequel to the new star trek movie series. It bridges the history between Nemesis and Spock using red matter to try and save romulus.
None of that was cryptic's invention. It's all on cbs and paramount.
And there is nothing wrong with being stubborn. Stubborn people tend to be the instruments of change. Rosa Parks was also stubborn...so I am in good company.
You do not have the right to compare yourself to Rosa Parks. You do not have the right to carry Rosa Parks' handbag for her. You have the right to shut the **** up right now before you embarrass yourself further with blatant lies and faulty logic.
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Also...why can't they recast Data with a new voice over artist? I have heard some pretty good voice over impersonators and I am sure a few of them could do a pretty solid Data.
So what's the difference ... if they hire an new "Data guy", who is to say he would bring more "personality" into his character, than Shon ....
... if anything it could harm the "reputation" of "real Data" ... there might be some legal issues as well, just because of this ... (never heard of anyone who liked B4, for that matter)
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Shon is perfect for the chair imho. Cool guy - but he also could apologize to the klingons in the latest FE.
Andorians is the founder members of the Federation - and back in the days they had the most professional military force. And the Federation is in war now: we need experienced military leaders. Shon is a good and straithforward warrior - exactly the person we need now in the chair.
But Shon is not The coolest guy in STO: he can't be. Because our player characters are the new legends: the new Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Archer. And because of this our ships right now are even more important than the Enterprise-F. If something important happens in this universe - our characters solves the problems.
Shon is perfect for the chair imho. Cool guy - but he also could apologize to the klingons in the latest FE.
Andorians is the founder members of the Federation - and back in the days they had the most professional military force. And the Federation is in war now: we need experienced military leaders. Shon is a good and straithforward warrior - exactly the person we need now in the chair.
But Shon is not The coolest guy in STO: he can't be. Because our player characters are the new legends: the new Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Archer. And because of this our ships right now are even more important than the Enterprise-F. If something important happens in this universe - our characters solves the problems.
My character is flying the true flagship. And my alts too. Even the Romulan ones. lol
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I know this is nothing but a Troll having fun but here I go:
There were Robert April and Christopher Pike before the Series' Commanders but not much is known in the Prime Universe of their time before the Big E.
James T. Kirk - He was a complete Nobody before he assumed Command, let 200 Crewman AND his Captain be killed because he panicked and only rose to prominence AS Captain of the Enterprise, his first command, not before.
John Harriman - I don't know about the Books or Comics about him but it seems like the Enterprise was also his first Command and he was completely overwhelmed by the Task at first...
Rachel Garret - Again, not much know beside her flaming exit.
Picard - Had a brief Command before the Enterprise and lost his Ship and was... he's the only Captain that actually did something before getting the Big E and could be considered "Good" before assuming Command, still even his most prominent and most eventful stunts were AS Captain of the Enterprise and still I have to add that NO ONE of his old crew accompanied him to the Enterprise.
All these Characters did all these wonderful things you parade as evidence against Shon AS they were captaining the Enterprise NOT before and only Picard could be considered really having "earned" the Command Seat of the Enterprise as at least 2 Captains went to the Enterprise as their first command and the others were so boring there were not much said about them ever.
Shon on the other hand successfully commanded the Belfast for quite some time even during War, helped you, the obivous hero of your own series (read as: STO the Game), with your task and although being a little bit unnerving at first actually GREW during the relative short time as Captain of the Enterprise and even stopped Sugihara, something not even you as a Player would be able to short of a Phaser Blast to the Head and admitted that they, that he, was wrong that is more Character growth than all of Kirk together...
Disclaimer: I don't want to bash any Captain, I love them all, just stating facts as far as I am aware of them.
Hey, he's the one who opened the door. We're just telling it like it is.
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Maybe Data took a promotion to Admiral. Kirk didn't give Data the same talk he gave Picard about not 'giving up the chair'. Maybe Data (in his logical excellence) felt he could do more controlling a fleet of ships instead of just one.
After the sacrifice of B4, I doubt that Data would retire when the Undine threat is still around, but that doesn't mean he hasn't simply moved elsewhere.
Voice acting budgets are part of a "season".
And we don't know what they paid Tim Russ or Michael Dorn, but all actors are not created equal. Some actors want more money than others. To say Brent Spiner will take the same money as Tim Russ or Michael Dorn is conjecture at best, and wishful thinking at worst.
I believe you're looking for the word chauvinist. To say a sexy woman is better in command of Enterprise is insulting to the female gender.
Data was a better choice because he is an established character, I can respect that. But to say giving STO "credibility" is a farce. STO doesn't need to give credibility to anyone. They're licensed and endorsed by the IP itself. STO has nothing to prove to anyone. Having Data in command of the Enterprise-F (or the E for the matter) would still result in people saying the game isn't "credible" in regards to Star Trek.
Yes, yes it is.
Because this is Star Trek Online. Captain Shon represents what Star Trek Online can do for the IP. Cryptic has no make-up budgets. They can have an alien captain like Shon without much effort on their part. Do you think the producers of Star Trek wanted a mostly-human crew, or simple prosthetics here and there to denote an 'alien'?
Of course not. But they had to work with the budgetary constraints they were given. Leonard Nimoy had little prosthetic ears and eyebrows. Marina Sirtis had contact lenses. Why do you think we never saw andorians on TNG, DS9, or Voyager? Outside of the holographic andorian in the episode with Data's Daughter, we never saw them. Budgetary constraints.
Shon shows to the players that Star Trek really is as diverse as Roddenberry's vision wanted it to be.
Sisko raised the bar on a colored actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series. Janeway raised the bar on a female actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series. Archer raised the bar on a washed-up Quantum Leap actor playing a commanding officer on a TV series.
Shon raises the bar again, this time an alien that isn't just "a bit of prosthetics on the nose or ears", that isn't a guest star like Shran on Enterprise.
And Shon's writing I actually like. Dave Rivas does a great job as portraying him as an aggressive Kirk-like personality, which we need in wartime -- but this latest episode showed another side of Shon. This time he was the one apologizing -- when in Dominon FE he was all about kicking KDF TRIBBLE and defending Federation territory.
He's not two-dimensional, and the writing shows it.
Wil Wheaton isn't interested in coming back to STO. He plays the game. But he's more or less made it clear that after his experience with TNG, he (justifiably) doesn't feel like getting picked on again by a destructive fanbase. I can't say I blame him.
Which is what Shon suffers from.
Anyone old enough to remember the Star Trek fanbase's reaction to a bald Shakespearian english actor trying to play a french captain playing the Captain of the Enterprise, will remember that Patrick Stewart was hated.
Because the fanbase was only familiar with Kirk -- and Picard was no James T. Kirk.
Generations never would have been made if it weren't for Shatner's involvement. They needed a legitimate 'passing-the-torch' movie for the cast of TNG to be taken seriously by the fanbase.
Because at that point, they were still making TOS-era films and people simply regarded TNG as a spin-off of people trying to ride the coat-tails of the TOS cast.
But here we are in 2014, and I rarely see Kirk vs. Picard arguments as I did back in the day. So what changed? What made people warm up to Picard?
Here's your answer: He was given plenty of time to grow and develop as a character with his own trials and tribulations, and show the kind of person (and captain) he was. The fanbase was exposed to so much of Captain Picard that they accepted him.
We've barely skimmed the surface of the Enterprise-F crew, and we're treating Shon the same way Picard (and the rest of the TNG cast) was treated in the early 90's.
This is why i like you.... even if your STO's biggest enemy!
P.S. OP... stop ********, since your apparently not givign any money to crytpic, dont be ******** to them about how they should go out of their way to spend money to make one Data-fanboy happy.
Seriously...how many people want some blue guy in command of The Enterprise?
The use of the word "some" indicated that you refer to no specific blue guy, therefore any blue guy may fill the role in your question, which now by implication reads as "I do not want a blue person in command of the Enterprise, and I don't feel others do either".
Had you used the word "that" is in "that blue guy", your defence of merely describing Shon accurately would stand, as Shon is blue and you would have been clearly referring to him, as opposed to just blue guys in general.
And there is nothing wrong with being stubborn. Stubborn people tend to be the instruments of change. Rosa Parks was also stubborn...so I am in good company.
You were accused of being stubborn and indicated that you were and had no objection to the fact, as you thought is was a good thing; you then cited the example of Rosa Parks stubbornness and intimated that your characteristic (i.e. being stubborn) was shared by her or vice-versa. In English, a direct like-for-like cited example is called a "comparison"
You did both the things I said you did. (Also, I did learn to read; it was somewhat of a requirement when I entered the legal profession.)
Seriously...how many people want some blue guy in command of The Enterprise?
It is generally assumed that The Enterprise E was lost or decommissioned before the commissioning of The Enterprise F, but it is also believed that Data is still alive as of 2409. So here is my question - if Data is still alive...why is Shon in command of The Enterprise F? Wouldn;t Data be the obvious choice?
Why entire nation you want to do that, you know what Brent Spiner ask for a roll in STO good greeve men think before you say something do research for god sakes... You babbling like brent is doing it for free, I find the prizes in sto already high enough I don't want to pay more because you hate sjon !!!
Sjon is fine captain I like him and I think most players do like the little blue guy...
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P.S. there will never be a hologram or android in command of a ship in STO because CBS doesnt want those as player species. And if a Major Captain NPC is of one or the other, players will demand them as playable characters, then be all pissed when they can't get them.
Data is alive but using him would require cryptic to pay brent spiner for his likeness usage. Shon is free. I'd rather see money wasted on new content then on over-priced actors.
I doubt he'd be too costly these days, as what has he really been doing? Also it wouldn't even be Data it would be B4.
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...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
The use of the word "some" indicated that you refer to no specific blue guy, therefore any blue guy may fill the role in your question, which now by implication reads as "I do not want a blue person in command of the Enterprise, and I don't feel others do either".
Had you used the word "that" is in "that blue guy", your defence of merely describing Shon accurately would stand, as Shon is blue and you would have been clearly referring to him, as opposed to just blue guys in general.
You were accused of being stubborn and indicated that you were and had no objection to the fact, as you thought is was a good thing; you then cited the example of Rosa Parks stubbornness and intimated that your characteristic (i.e. being stubborn) was shared by her or vice-versa. In English, a direct like-for-like cited example is called a "comparison"
You did both the things I said you did. (Also, I did learn to read; it was somewhat of a requirement when I entered the legal profession.)
You are in the legal profession? Lol. Sure thing Lionel Hutz.
I said Some blue guy when referencing the Enterprise. Only one person fills that description. That is VERY specific. Plus...I mentioned him by name in the title, so that is even more specific. "Some" was used as a qualifier to belittle his status as Captain, not as a person.
You should go back to Law School. You just got pwned by a Sys Admin. Perhaps shoe repair is your true calling?
I said Some blue guy when referencing the Enterprise. Only one person fills that description. That is VERY specific. Plus...I mentioned him by name in the title, so that is even more specific. "Some" was used as a qualifier to belittle his status as Captain, not as a person.
I'm really loathe to wade into this, but your original post unquestionably implied that "blue guys" shouldn't be in command of the Enterprise.
You made no statement regarding any qualities of Shon which make him unfit for the position, other than the colour of his skin and his gender. The reasonable assumption is that one, or both, of those things are the reason you think he shouldn't be in command, since they're the only traits you bothered to mention.
Now, if that's not what you meant, fine...but it's a very legitimate interpretation of what you wrote.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
But his positronic pathways weren't nearly as advanced as Data's and the ethical dilema of B4 being his own person comes into play.
Geordi and the team found a way to improve the positronic brain. They'd been studying his systems for 20 years at that point. The ethics of it is another matter. Even Data didn't want it done, but they did it anyway.
I'm really loathe to wade into this, but your original post unquestionably implied that "blue guys" shouldn't be in command of the Enterprise.
You made no statement regarding any qualities of Shon which make him unfit for the position, other than the colour of his skin and his gender. The reasonable assumption is that one, or both, of those things are the reason you think he shouldn't be in command, since they're the only traits you bothered to mention.
Now, if that's not what you meant, fine...but it's a very legitimate interpretation of what you wrote.
I really wouldn't say more than this; his opinion is intrasigent, as many of us have discovered yesterday
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
But his positronic pathways weren't nearly as advanced as Data's and the ethical dilema of B4 being his own person comes into play.
Yes, it does come into play.
The Needs of the Many novel goes into this a bit when Jake Sisko interviews the restored Data.
Basically, Geordi and the Daystrom Institute worked on the deactivated B4 and were somehow able to increase his capacity to handle the "Data matrix." They then restored Data's personality, deleting B4 in the process.
As Data came back "online," he realized what was happening, and tried to shut himself down to save B4, but was unable to do so. Data carries a lot of guilt over this.
So yeah, it's been addressed, and the ethical issues haven't been ignored.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
You should go back to Law School. You just got pwned by a Sys Admin. Perhaps shoe repair is your true calling?
Wow. Okay, I guess I'll go pack up all my cases, return them to the Crown Prosecution Service, disband my practice and get a nice comfy job in retail. I'm ever so sorry to have disturbed you with petty things such as facts and words. Thank you sir, for showing me the error of my ways, I'm oh so humble and grateful for your time, and I promise I'll never let anything a trivial as intelligence get in the way of your opinions ever again. Sorry.
I'm really loathe to wade into this, but your original post unquestionably implied that "blue guys" shouldn't be in command of the Enterprise.
You made no statement regarding any qualities of Shon which make him unfit for the position, other than the colour of his skin and his gender. The reasonable assumption is that one, or both, of those things are the reason you think he shouldn't be in command, since they're the only traits you bothered to mention.
Now, if that's not what you meant, fine...but it's a very legitimate interpretation of what you wrote.
If I had a keyboard and mouse...I would point out every argument I made againt Shon. However...you are just goi g to have to go back and read. I know...I know...it is tough to READ...but it is an important life skill.
Go back and read. I make it very clear as to why he is not worthy of The Enterprise. He cannot even touch his predecessors.
As for trek21, you are the intrasigent one. Why so much love for that cardboard box Captain? What possible reason could there be to NOT kill him off and replace him?
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If I had a keyboard and mouse...I would point out every argument I made againt Shon. However...you are just goi g to have to go back and read. I know...I know...it is tough to READ...but it is an important life skill.
Go back and read. I make it very clear as to why he is not worthy of The Enterprise. He cannot even touch his predecessors.
As for trek21, you are the intrasigent one. Why so much love for that cardboard box Captain? What possible reason could there be to NOT kill him off and replace him?
And I believe I showed you that EVERY Captain of the Enterprise was even WORSE in the beginning than Shon...
If I had a keyboard and mouse...I would point out every argument I made againt Shon. However...you are just goi g to have to go back and read. I know...I know...it is tough to READ...but it is an important life skill.
I was referring to your original post only, which says only that he's a "blue guy" and that he's not Data. This is the post that bothered people, and I'm only trying to point out why.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
I was referring to your original post only, which says only that he's a "blue guy" and that he's not Data. This is the post that bothered people, and I'm only trying to point out why.
Sadly, even that probably won't work
He hates Shon = fine. But he can't even conceive that some of us like him for the same reasons that he's pointed out (the events, which he thinks aren't cool, but we generally think are cool). And even if not for those reasons, for others, which is also fine.
This not okay with him, apparently...
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Geordi and the team found a way to improve the positronic brain. They'd been studying his systems for 20 years at that point. The ethics of it is another matter. Even Data didn't want it done, but they did it anyway.
If I'm not mistaken, in Nemesis Data provided B4 with his memories and Geordi asked if this was a good idea. Data stated he thought he should have his memories in order to help him develop his own individualism.
As far as what happened in the years or decades after this, I am not familiar and imagine Data would have been upset with them transferring his "essence" or "life" into B4 essentially stripping B4 of his own life or individualism. As some people have mentioned it seems this happened anyway, where was this literature written if i may ask?
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They actually tell you how he did it in Nemesis... he had copied his personality and memories to b-4, but b-4 lacked the ability to process it at the time.
If you watched Nemesis then you know Data put his brain pattern into B4. At the end of Nemesis B4 was singing/humming the song that Data was singing at Riker's wedding. That's why Picard smiled: because he knew Data was in B4.
Now if you go to the countdown comic you will see that Data was brought back in B4's body by Geordi and several other scientists. The countdown comic was a joint project by cbs and paramount as a prequel to the new star trek movie series. It bridges the history between Nemesis and Spock using red matter to try and save romulus.
None of that was cryptic's invention. It's all on cbs and paramount.
You, in the first ****ing post of this thread:
You, in post #78:
You do not have the right to compare yourself to Rosa Parks. You do not have the right to carry Rosa Parks' handbag for her. You have the right to shut the **** up right now before you embarrass yourself further with blatant lies and faulty logic.
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Heil Pinkskins!:rolleyes:
So what's the difference ... if they hire an new "Data guy", who is to say he would bring more "personality" into his character, than Shon ....
... if anything it could harm the "reputation" of "real Data" ... there might be some legal issues as well, just because of this ... (never heard of anyone who liked B4, for that matter)
Andorians is the founder members of the Federation - and back in the days they had the most professional military force. And the Federation is in war now: we need experienced military leaders. Shon is a good and straithforward warrior - exactly the person we need now in the chair.
But Shon is not The coolest guy in STO: he can't be. Because our player characters are the new legends: the new Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Archer. And because of this our ships right now are even more important than the Enterprise-F. If something important happens in this universe - our characters solves the problems.
Spinar played Data and B-4. Cryptic has said that canon characters will be done by canon actors only.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
My character is flying the true flagship. And my alts too.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
There were Robert April and Christopher Pike before the Series' Commanders but not much is known in the Prime Universe of their time before the Big E.
James T. Kirk - He was a complete Nobody before he assumed Command, let 200 Crewman AND his Captain be killed because he panicked and only rose to prominence AS Captain of the Enterprise, his first command, not before.
John Harriman - I don't know about the Books or Comics about him but it seems like the Enterprise was also his first Command and he was completely overwhelmed by the Task at first...
Rachel Garret - Again, not much know beside her flaming exit.
Picard - Had a brief Command before the Enterprise and lost his Ship and was... he's the only Captain that actually did something before getting the Big E and could be considered "Good" before assuming Command, still even his most prominent and most eventful stunts were AS Captain of the Enterprise and still I have to add that NO ONE of his old crew accompanied him to the Enterprise.
All these Characters did all these wonderful things you parade as evidence against Shon AS they were captaining the Enterprise NOT before and only Picard could be considered really having "earned" the Command Seat of the Enterprise as at least 2 Captains went to the Enterprise as their first command and the others were so boring there were not much said about them ever.
Shon on the other hand successfully commanded the Belfast for quite some time even during War, helped you, the obivous hero of your own series (read as: STO the Game), with your task and although being a little bit unnerving at first actually GREW during the relative short time as Captain of the Enterprise and even stopped Sugihara, something not even you as a Player would be able to short of a Phaser Blast to the Head and admitted that they, that he, was wrong that is more Character growth than all of Kirk together...
Disclaimer: I don't want to bash any Captain, I love them all, just stating facts as far as I am aware of them.
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This is why i like you.... even if your STO's biggest enemy!
P.S. OP... stop ********, since your apparently not givign any money to crytpic, dont be ******** to them about how they should go out of their way to spend money to make one Data-fanboy happy.
Perhaps I should explain it for you,
The use of the word "some" indicated that you refer to no specific blue guy, therefore any blue guy may fill the role in your question, which now by implication reads as "I do not want a blue person in command of the Enterprise, and I don't feel others do either".
Had you used the word "that" is in "that blue guy", your defence of merely describing Shon accurately would stand, as Shon is blue and you would have been clearly referring to him, as opposed to just blue guys in general.
You were accused of being stubborn and indicated that you were and had no objection to the fact, as you thought is was a good thing; you then cited the example of Rosa Parks stubbornness and intimated that your characteristic (i.e. being stubborn) was shared by her or vice-versa. In English, a direct like-for-like cited example is called a "comparison"
You did both the things I said you did. (Also, I did learn to read; it was somewhat of a requirement when I entered the legal profession.)
Why entire nation you want to do that, you know what Brent Spiner ask for a roll in STO good greeve men think before you say something do research for god sakes... You babbling like brent is doing it for free, I find the prizes in sto already high enough I don't want to pay more because you hate sjon !!!
Sjon is fine captain I like him and I think most players do like the little blue guy...
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I doubt he'd be too costly these days, as what has he really been doing? Also it wouldn't even be Data it would be B4.
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Oh, it's Data. B4's personality was deleted and replaced with Data's.
You are in the legal profession? Lol. Sure thing Lionel Hutz.
I said Some blue guy when referencing the Enterprise. Only one person fills that description. That is VERY specific. Plus...I mentioned him by name in the title, so that is even more specific. "Some" was used as a qualifier to belittle his status as Captain, not as a person.
You should go back to Law School. You just got pwned by a Sys Admin. Perhaps shoe repair is your true calling?
Expert shoe repair FTW. It is a needed service in the world today.
But his positronic pathways weren't nearly as advanced as Data's and the ethical dilema of B4 being his own person comes into play.
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I'm really loathe to wade into this, but your original post unquestionably implied that "blue guys" shouldn't be in command of the Enterprise.
You made no statement regarding any qualities of Shon which make him unfit for the position, other than the colour of his skin and his gender. The reasonable assumption is that one, or both, of those things are the reason you think he shouldn't be in command, since they're the only traits you bothered to mention.
Now, if that's not what you meant, fine...but it's a very legitimate interpretation of what you wrote.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yes, it does come into play.
The Needs of the Many novel goes into this a bit when Jake Sisko interviews the restored Data.
Basically, Geordi and the Daystrom Institute worked on the deactivated B4 and were somehow able to increase his capacity to handle the "Data matrix." They then restored Data's personality, deleting B4 in the process.
As Data came back "online," he realized what was happening, and tried to shut himself down to save B4, but was unable to do so. Data carries a lot of guilt over this.
So yeah, it's been addressed, and the ethical issues haven't been ignored.
Wow. Okay, I guess I'll go pack up all my cases, return them to the Crown Prosecution Service, disband my practice and get a nice comfy job in retail. I'm ever so sorry to have disturbed you with petty things such as facts and words. Thank you sir, for showing me the error of my ways, I'm oh so humble and grateful for your time, and I promise I'll never let anything a trivial as intelligence get in the way of your opinions ever again. Sorry.
If I had a keyboard and mouse...I would point out every argument I made againt Shon. However...you are just goi g to have to go back and read. I know...I know...it is tough to READ...but it is an important life skill.
Go back and read. I make it very clear as to why he is not worthy of The Enterprise. He cannot even touch his predecessors.
As for trek21, you are the intrasigent one. Why so much love for that cardboard box Captain? What possible reason could there be to NOT kill him off and replace him?
And I believe I showed you that EVERY Captain of the Enterprise was even WORSE in the beginning than Shon...
I was referring to your original post only, which says only that he's a "blue guy" and that he's not Data. This is the post that bothered people, and I'm only trying to point out why.
He hates Shon = fine. But he can't even conceive that some of us like him for the same reasons that he's pointed out (the events, which he thinks aren't cool, but we generally think are cool). And even if not for those reasons, for others, which is also fine.
This not okay with him, apparently...
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
If I'm not mistaken, in Nemesis Data provided B4 with his memories and Geordi asked if this was a good idea. Data stated he thought he should have his memories in order to help him develop his own individualism.
As far as what happened in the years or decades after this, I am not familiar and imagine Data would have been upset with them transferring his "essence" or "life" into B4 essentially stripping B4 of his own life or individualism. As some people have mentioned it seems this happened anyway, where was this literature written if i may ask?
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