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What is Everyones Beef on the Poor Constitution class
ryuranger
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Hay everyone I am reading some forums here and people are actually agents a retrofit Tier 5 Constitution Class Vessels and they rather have the NX Class as Tier 5 what the frag here. the Constitution Class as been in the Star Trek franchise since the vary beginning heck the Original Enterprise I an Icon and not that class that ALMOST KILLED THE FRANCHISE YEAH You guys what to have the Star Trek Killer NX Class for Tier 5 then the Constitution Class Witch what brought me in to Star Trek in the first place it TRIBBLE me off when people (manly gamers) that the NX Class is so Cool Because is a Remodel of it what about the Constitution Class its been re-fitted so many times it surpassed that Constitution for more then 200 years the class is still in serves to this Day and where is the Original NX Class either as a historical ship in the Fleet Musuam OR rotting away in some sort of space junkyard. I am just stating a point here my opinion and True Star Trek fans knows the value of the Constitution Class and knows its a good ship and deserves a Tier 5 Heck the Chayanne Class got a Retrofit Mirror Universe why not Constitution Class its my opinion anyways what you guys think?
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And a Tier 5 Constitution makes about as much sense as a Tier 5 Miranda - possibly a bit less, as the Constitution is an older design (keel first flown back before Kirk was in the starship business). Does the US Navy pull old sailing vessels out of mothballs and begin equipping them with cruise missiles and point-defense laser systems?
I think I know a very dead, well-beaten horse when I see one. And I'm looking at one right now.
-sigh-
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
"an Overworked under powered vessel, always on the verge of flying apart at the seams"
This is set in 2409, starfleet doesn't consider the old rustbucket to be worthy of high status anymore, deal with it
http://img.pandawhale.com/88611-beating-dead-horse-gif-South-P-ZqEc.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaRBHQlEu-o
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That said:
If it had been out of service for 80 years at the time of TNG, explain why there was at least one present at the battle of Wolf 359?
Screen shot? I'm not familiar with any constitutions at Wolf 359, If its one of the debris models its pretty hard to make it out, but i'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong
But from the clips I was able to find I counted a Nebula, a Miranda type refit , an Ambassador, and an Excelsior proper ships, and the New Orleans debris model, I never saw a single indication of a Constitution Class vessel, or even a very heavily refitted one
This site, Has no reference to any Constitutions either http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359.htm and they are pretty thorough most of the time, And have probably been looking at the screenshots a lot longer than i did for this reply
Memory Alpha also fails to mention any Constitution class vessels as well, And while not an infallible source, the two sources, plus my own observations seem to draw a pretty clear conclusion
(I also checked the Battle of Sector 001 footage, No constitutioins there either
I'm also aware there was supposed to be a single Constitution operating as a Cadet cruise ship ( I think it might be canon, but It might have been from a novel or some fanon , hard to remember these things), But i hardly think that counts as a ship of the line
no issue with it being in the game. how ever it should not be a relevant ship at end game.
now can we put the jumper cables away and let the dead horse be?
I agree, the Republic dosen't count.
Anyways:
Heres a shot of the connie saucer... Fairly obvious to make out:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359/wolf359-1-2a.jpg
Now here comes where you pretty much have to be blind to miss it in a still-image:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130213235941/memoryalpha/en/images/c/c9/Wolf_359_wreckage_4.jpg
There can be no doubt that the wreck to the left is a Connie. Theres a 100% match (heck they even took the time to make the destroyed neck seem plausible for a 2 second shot).
But again... I agree that the connie is outdated and should go away.
Did you by chance READ my post?
Yet we got a Vulcan ship and the Kumari ship that's old as hell older then constitution and the Kumari is comparable to a Tier 5 ship. So your argument against this, is not sound. Cryptic already showed us age of a ship does not stop them from making it whatever Tier they wish.
Better argument is, they were told no by CBS and that's that.
i did. i was agreeing with you. a novel concept on the forums i know
And if your referring to the very ambigious round shape in the left of the screen, its a pretty big leap to say thats a connie because its round, But I can see how the shape is similar to that of a connie hull
Theres speculation that the heavily damaged Engineering hull from the Enterprise studio model was used, I can see how that would have worked , It is a very fleeting glimpse however that shows up breifly and is then gone after the commercial break
Apparantly This was not in all versions of BoBW so that would explain my lack of familiarity with it
The Kumari Class is not the same class as the one from ENT, it is named so for a Vessel which appeared in the show
The Imperial Guard are supposed to have been maintaining their own forces and building ships for system defence, The Kumari Class is STOs take on what these ships would be.
Its a brand new vessel, built with modern specs and materials, with new spaceframes and top of the line weapons
The vulcan ship, Yeah you got me beat there I have no explination as to how it is still knocking around , let alone how its ancient systems are even compatible with modern science equipment
Probably because against the threat of planetary assimilation, Starfleet would send anything even vaguely space-worthy that they had laying around. (Hell, they probably would have thrown the space shuttle at that cube if it were available).
Yeah, isn't it amazing the lengths that connie fans will go to in order to try and convince us their pet ship is still relevant in the future's future? Someone pulled out MS Paint and cropped down a screen capture to hide everything except the saucer, then went "it's round, so it must be a constitution!". :rolleyes:
As has already been pointed out, the constitution was not the only ship with a round saucer.
You can kit the inside of your ship and crew to look like the TOS Enterprise.
A 30-crew attack ship like the B'rel (itself almost as old as the Connie) or JHAS is a match for a 3,000 man carrier in a 1:1
Starfleet and the KDF routinely use Cardassian, Ferengi, Dominion and Hirogen ships.
Point is... what was a valid argument pre-F2P is now utterly broken. A TOS Connie is not making things worse but would be fun for some players. Sounds like a win to me.
Actually, it seems He may be right, The round shape on the left , turns out it was the Enterprise studio Model Engineering hull at a weird angle
Though Judging by the number of non canon concept study models ( including a Four nacelled Excelsior ) were thrown into the scenes, Its hard to tell what is going on in terms of canon
Gameplay wise, yes the game is pretty messed up
But there is something fundamentaly wrong with giving rustbuckets Top tier status
Has it happened already? Yes, but that doesn't mean they should make that mistake again
ryuranger critically hits you with a WALLOFTEXT for 531,707 points of forum dmg.
You are stunned.
You are dizzy.
You are nauseated.
Anyways, a T5 Miranda & Constitution have more business in STO than quite a number of these playable ships out there.
The Vulcan ship could just be the same as its 22nd Century counterpart on the outside, but with 25th Century tech on the inside. Basically a new ship with a proven hull design.
However...
CBS has the ultimate say on ships. It took A LOT to get the Vesta in game, we are not likely to see AR material of any kind in STO (As much as I would LOVE a Compression Pistol based on the AR phaser pistol...), and the odds of a T5 Connie are probably worse than getting struck by lightning... twice... in a row... after winning the lottery. Constant forum nagging is unfortunately not going to change that. So unless people want to equip their T1 TOS Connies and T2 Connie Refits with VA gear... we're not seeing end game Connies in any shape or form. Not even 25th Century variants like the Excalibur and Exeter.
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First off, it's not a rumor. It IS the hull from the Enterprise model.
But basically you're saying: "Sure it was shown on screen, but let's just ignore it because I don't want it to be true".
Gotcha.
And yet, no shuttles...
Especially, if you scroll down the Wolf 359 article on Ex Astris, it clearly tells you it is the destroyed Enterprise from the Search from Spock. Just like how the USS Olympia from DS9's Sound of Her Voice used the destroyed Enterprise's saucer and nacelle, so you can say that there was an Unnamed Constitution refit at the Battle of Wolf 359 and the USS Olympia until 2371.
Either way, I loved the Exeter's and the Excalibur's design, but those awesome designs are suffering at the hands of the TOS Enterprise.
it's not a ship for me but the argument against is pretty weak when you look at whos flying what in this game.
also I think the block on it from cbs has to be linked to them jj abrams films some how. cbs must have agreed something with paramount in them regards. either that or geko hates it more than the k'vort.
If you go back a page on the thread you'll find i corrected myself and said as much that it was the studio model
No need to get all snotty in tone by the way ,I have backtracked and retracted my statements based on new information, I'm not denying its a Constitution hull
one day it may have no choice if a really terrible thing happens. fate is like that, just because its old doesnt mean it should be thrown away, if it can be repurposed for use why not, some countries still uses ww2 tech, properly setup it can be more useful. besides this is trek, the excelsior is 110 years old in game terms, the k't'inga is equally as old as the d12/b'rel/k'vort class and yet they all still found uses in a different century.
put it like this, more blunt a little more rude but its the same point: new young generals have no grasp on tactics and competent use of them, an old warhorse leader, long retired but his memory still very clear still can lead troops but is vegetating away in a old persons home, do you ignore the old man and his decades with of experience simply because he doesnt fully comply with regulations because of his advanced age? or do you ignore the regulations and bring him in and let him show the kids how it is done, as it is meant to be done. dunno about you but if a respect military leader like this man can turn the tide of a war and show the kids how to fight properly, then its clear that it was worth bringing that retired military officer. just because its old doesnt mean it should be thrown away.
now a t5 connie is never gonna happen, some red tape issues mean it will never come, but theres always the chance of a t5 miranda though, even if is chances are not that high
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