What's funny is everyone is making a big thing of this as if an ensign tac being made uni (i.e tac) is going to make a difference to the ship's performance LOL how blind people are these days.
I think why alot of ppl want a LtC Tac BOff station on the Galaxy Dreadnaught is because they want 2 use Attack Pattern Omega which is very valueble in PvP which increases Damage, Turn Rate, Defense Increase, Short Term Speed Burst and most importantly to break holding abilities such as Tractor Beams, Gravity Wells, etc.
Wouldnt that make Fed Escorts even more pointless? Why do the Armitage at all if you have a Gal-X that can LtCom a tac? Maybe in the next round of "nerf the stuff because" they will change the DPS metagame back to Escorts with DHCs, but there are too many "too tactical" cruisers IMO.
What's funny is everyone is making a big thing of this as if an ensign tac being made uni (i.e tac) is going to make a difference to the ship's performance LOL how blind people are these days.
And yet, the station-layout difference between the Fleet Patrol Escort and the bug ship is precisely that: a uni Ensign station. Having 2x EPtS1 running makes for a far more comfortable ride than having to muck around with DCE's. And it means you can use 3 doffs for other useful things.
And yet, the station-layout difference between the Fleet Patrol Escort and the bug ship is precisely that: a uni Ensign station. Having 2x EPtS1 running makes for a far more comfortable ride than having to muck around with DCE's. And it means you can use 3 doffs for other useful things.
This is why I chose the words I did, and with the boff setup on the Dready, I'm right, I don't like it, but I am.
Kinda makes me wonder, now, whether I should go with the Galaxy Dreadnought 3-pack, or the Advanced Dyson Destroyer 3-pack. Galaxy Dreadnought *is* kinda iconic. I dunno, does it come with its own unique bridge? (like C-Store Ody)
The Avenger also came with it's own special 'V.A.T.A.' console, but has synergy for cloaking so it can use the 'Cloaking Device' from the Galaxy-X. It doesn't come with the 'Cloaking Device' by itself, but can use it as a bonus for owning those 2 ships (or Defiant Retro for what it's worth).
This might actually be a good reason for me to go with the Galaxy Dreadnought pack. You know, slot the odd Rom Ambush boff, and finally do some alpha decloak dmg too with a Fed.
Wouldnt that make Fed Escorts even more pointless? Why do the Armitage at all if you have a Gal-X that can LtCom a tac? Maybe in the next round of "nerf the stuff because" they will change the DPS metagame back to Escorts with DHCs, but there are too many "too tactical" cruisers IMO.
Well Escorts can use double copies of APO-I, II or III while Cruisers can only use 1 APO-I
Besides that it's uncommon that ''Tac Cruisers'' that have Lt. Com Tac boff Station that is no doubt are good in PvP such as the Fed T5 Sovereign, Excelsior, Avenger and KDF T5 Vorcha and Moghs and those are the most common Cruisers u see in PvP while the others that don't have a LtC boff tac station are seen rarely in pvp due to the fact they can't escape, break away, or what ever from certain enemy abilities.
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Kinda makes me wonder, now, whether I should go with the Galaxy Dreadnought 3-pack, or the Advanced Dyson Destroyer 3-pack. Galaxy Dreadnought *is* kinda iconic. I dunno, does it come with its own unique bridge? (like C-Store Ody)
No the 3-pack comes with that ridiculously oversized "Galaxy" bridge currently in the c-store.
I understand some of you are disappointed with the changes, or lack thereof, but it's no excuse for flaming each other.
Please stop. You can vent your displeasure without being nasty to other people or breaking the forum rules.
Disappointed hardly even covers it. Royally pissed comes a bit closer. All this time waiting for a logical update to this ship, and we get this excuse. It's pathetic.
No the 3-pack comes with that ridiculously oversized "Galaxy" bridge currently in the c-store.
Although they haven't made it very clear, I also suspect that the current C-Store Galaxy bridge pack is the one mentioned in the blog.
I kinda' hoped for the TNG Galaxy bridge without the crew posts on the sides, not these Generations ones.
I already own a Galaxy Dreadnaught and the Venture refit so I welcome getting a hanger for it, as for Saucer separation, I'm on the fence about the usefulness of it, on the ships I have that use it I haven't been all that impressed with it.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Given the new Dyson Tech, I'm really surprised they didn't use it for the Galaxy revamp. A BOFF station swap works more for the Galaxy (Both Retrofit and Dreadnaught) than a Universal station.
Which I find ironic given the "bringing it in-line with the other Dreadnaughts" comment in the article, when the Scimitar has a Commander tactical Station and the Vo'Quv has a LT Commander Tactical.
What Tac Cruisers are using is Beta and FaW because they are using A2B along with DEM, this the current OP.
They dont want a Lt. Cmdr for Omega, they dont want it for Beta either, they want it for FaW III and use the ensign for FaW copies.
Plus what "certainly abilities"? the only thing Omega does is prevent tractor beams to work but PH does the same thing, its something that just requires a ensign station, with a ensign uni its as if you dont get part of Omega with HP on a ensign station (tractor immunity and DR).
Don't assume you know what all tac cruisers are using the Lt Cdr position for.
FAW3 is not the only thing people use. Overload III, combined with Marion, DEM and the shield-pen DOFF are fantastic in PVP, and are far less susceptible to being scrambled.
Torp Spread 3 is still good, and APB2, as others have pointed out, is a major boost to individual and team damage.
Not to mention, in this context of the Galaxy-X, cannon abilities only start at Lieutenant rank, making 2/3rds of the ship's tactical bridge officer slots useless to people who want to leverage that ability. (Hakaishin builds are still great, and are even better with A2B...)
I'd say there are plenty of reasons to give the Galaxy-X a Lt Cdr tactical slot. Saying "lol, FAW" is a total cop out.
What Tac Cruisers are using is Beta and FaW because they are using A2B along with DEM, this the current OP.
He's mainly talking about PvP I think, where APB isn't of much use due to tact team.
They dont want a Lt. Cmdr for Omega, they dont want it for Beta either, they want it for FaW III and use the ensign for FaW copies.
Plus what "certainly abilities"? the only thing Omega does is prevent tractor beams to work but PH does the same thing, its something that just requires a ensign station, with a ensign uni its as if you dont get part of Omega with HP on a ensign station (tractor immunity and DR).
APO counters warp plasma, graviton pulse, grav wells, chroniton torps and the subspace integration circuit, all of which are spammed about without mercy in PvP.
Your condescending attitude does not help you. Perhaps if you tried a little compassion you might learn to be a better human being.
I won't disagree that there are a lot of cases of people being overtly hostile, but you're not leading by example if you're going to chime in and avoid actual topic.
Kinda makes me wonder, now, whether I should go with the Galaxy Dreadnought 3-pack, or the Advanced Dyson Destroyer 3-pack. Galaxy Dreadnought *is* kinda iconic. I dunno, does it come with its own unique bridge? (like C-Store Ody)
Nobody knows what the deal with the bridge is yet.
I believe nakedsnake001 already cleared that one up.
(6)(c) - They said "we're giving you a dreadnought dreadnought like the other dreadnoughts to replace the current dreadnought" (those ships are all fleet-tier ships) and after they said that and failed to deliver they added in "oh, and we're making a Fleet-store version - " strongly inferring "that's where the ship we promised to replace the current dreadnought with is actually going to be."
And I have responded to Nakedsnake001 though I left out the part expounding upon how bylines work in media that works save for a snarky comment.
This might actually be a good reason for me to go with the Galaxy Dreadnought pack. You know, slot the odd Rom Ambush boff, and finally do some alpha decloak dmg too with a Fed.
I've seen the Gal-Dread suped up against another Cruiser.
Here is to hoping the "phaser lance" is a regular weapon otherwise *facepalm*
Disappointed hardly even covers it. Royally pissed comes a bit closer. All this time waiting for a logical update to this ship, and we get this excuse. It's pathetic.
Although they haven't made it very clear, I also suspect that the current C-Store Galaxy bridge pack is the one mentioned in the blog.
I kinda' hoped for the TNG Galaxy bridge without the crew posts on the sides, not these Generations ones.
An "All Good Things" Bridge would've been slick for the Dreadnought.
A lot of people seem to think the fleet-store is "the ship" - apparently they hate the Scimitar so much they don't even realize it's fleet-store-grade and a Dreadnought bought zen-store.
Given the new Dyson Tech, I'm really surprised they didn't use it for the Galaxy revamp. A BOFF station swap works more for the Galaxy (Both Retrofit and Dreadnaught) than a Universal station.
Which I find ironic given the "bringing it in-line with the other Dreadnaughts" comment in the article, when the Scimitar has a Commander tactical Station and the Vo'Quv has a LT Commander Tactical.
And BTW, what's up with all the trolling lately? It's disappointing moderators are banning the wrong people.
I'm a tad surprised about the Dyson tech as well - Although that ship doesn't bode well for how they may be intending to deal with "ship competitiveness" (tactical power = real power) that pack-layout is drastically superior to what is found on the Galaxy-R and X. And given how the Dyson's "swap function" could have been integrated into both the VA ships (through the saucer console especially) it is a little disheartening that something that actually qualifies as "innovative" in STO is not being leveraged here //.
As for the "in line with other dreadnoughts" comment, it is problematic overall beyond "merely tactical seating"; their entire adjustment is a hangar and the functionally-false claim of a "New boff layout" as the only thing they did was make the existing layout's weakest seat science friendly (as the alternative is a neutered Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit layout).
They have what, three other dreadnought's for seating examples (Scimitar, JHD, VBD) and they do this?
And the "trolling" is old, and I recognize that my own trolling of trolls has no excuse though its purpose is noble - their cremation.
As a general reply - is anyone curious if they're going to be updating the models of the base-designs to be more accurate? One odd bit I noticed among the misalignment of parts on the models is how the Dreadnought is missing a big old torpedo launcher-looking part on the top of the saucer (edit: they turned it into a small bit that has phaser cannon nodes apparently).
What Tac Cruisers are using is Beta and FaW because they are using A2B along with DEM, this the current OP.
They dont want a Lt. Cmdr for Omega, they dont want it for Beta either, they want it for FaW III and use the ensign for FaW copies.
Plus what "certainly abilities"? the only thing Omega does is prevent tractor beams to work but PH does the same thing, its something that just requires a ensign station, with a ensign uni its as if you dont get part of Omega with HP on a ensign station (tractor immunity and DR).
Yes u told me something i already know for a long time about Beta and FaW which is NOTHING NEW... i only mention APO since is perhaps the best escape ability in PvP.
Have u ever been in PvP lately or u been drawing up PvP paper statistics, People nowadays are using all types of holding abilities from Tractor Beams, Tractor Beam replusers with a Boff that can draw ppl close to the person using it, Warp Plasma/console variants, powerful Grav wells, etc.. the only thing the PH does is counter are tractor beams and gives Dmg Resist
then again i'm a KDF player fighting against more Fed players using mostly Sci Ships and Rom ships now.
My lil brother have a Fleet Negh'var (which u can't miss IKS Viet'nam) he has max IntDamp and using his universal ensign station for PH-I and even with that he can't escape from any movement impairment abilities that is not from a Tractor beam.
I've fought against alot of Sovies and Excelsiors players to know many of those don't even use FaW III, some of them just fly around attack with weaker versions of FaW while using all types of EPtE, AtD and APO (not every1 uses AtB builts) just to hit and run and when 2 be... escape, but like most Fed players of all types they usually find some way 2 flee from battle.
by the way neither the Excelsior or the Sovie on the Sci boff part can't use PH without giving up HE, TSS or ST (to counter Subnukes) so its giving up a shield heal or hull heal vs a weaker non guarantee escape ability while on the tac boff part it's more superior offense vs superior chance to escape... i don't speak for anybody, i speak for what i have experience and see what ppl do, while u on the other hand thinks every1 does the same thing.
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Wouldnt that make Fed Escorts even more pointless? Why do the Armitage at all if you have a Gal-X that can LtCom a tac? Maybe in the next round of "nerf the stuff because" they will change the DPS metagame back to Escorts with DHCs, but there are too many "too tactical" cruisers IMO.
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And yet, the station-layout difference between the Fleet Patrol Escort and the bug ship is precisely that: a uni Ensign station. Having 2x EPtS1 running makes for a far more comfortable ride than having to muck around with DCE's. And it means you can use 3 doffs for other useful things.
This is why I chose the words I did, and with the boff setup on the Dready, I'm right, I don't like it, but I am.
Geko wrote it, and it's Smirk's jobto post it as he is Community Manager.
This is how dev blogs work. From the blog
Your condescending attitude does not help you. Perhaps if you tried a little compassion you might learn to be a better human being.
Ah, ok - I thought it was as in "good" and "bad".
lol....wut? :P
I believe nakedsnake001 already cleared that one up.
This might actually be a good reason for me to go with the Galaxy Dreadnought pack.
Well Escorts can use double copies of APO-I, II or III while Cruisers can only use 1 APO-I
Besides that it's uncommon that ''Tac Cruisers'' that have Lt. Com Tac boff Station that is no doubt are good in PvP such as the Fed T5 Sovereign, Excelsior, Avenger and KDF T5 Vorcha and Moghs and those are the most common Cruisers u see in PvP while the others that don't have a LtC boff tac station are seen rarely in pvp due to the fact they can't escape, break away, or what ever from certain enemy abilities.
I understand some of you are disappointed with the changes, or lack thereof, but it's no excuse for flaming each other.
Please stop. You can vent your displeasure without being nasty to other people or breaking the forum rules.
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No the 3-pack comes with that ridiculously oversized "Galaxy" bridge currently in the c-store.
Disappointed hardly even covers it. Royally pissed comes a bit closer. All this time waiting for a logical update to this ship, and we get this excuse. It's pathetic.
Although they haven't made it very clear, I also suspect that the current C-Store Galaxy bridge pack is the one mentioned in the blog.
I kinda' hoped for the TNG Galaxy bridge without the crew posts on the sides, not these Generations ones.
*facepalm* I'm going to just straight up say it:
You are blind to the humor of how they're failing so hard their bylines are even wrong.
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Ah, that is your idea of humor? OK, that's a bit sad...
Which I find ironic given the "bringing it in-line with the other Dreadnaughts" comment in the article, when the Scimitar has a Commander tactical Station and the Vo'Quv has a LT Commander Tactical.
Probably the best news is that I already have all 3 ships so the Fleet Variant of the G-X+the whole shibang will only cost 1 Fleet Ship Module.
Don't assume you know what all tac cruisers are using the Lt Cdr position for.
FAW3 is not the only thing people use. Overload III, combined with Marion, DEM and the shield-pen DOFF are fantastic in PVP, and are far less susceptible to being scrambled.
Torp Spread 3 is still good, and APB2, as others have pointed out, is a major boost to individual and team damage.
Not to mention, in this context of the Galaxy-X, cannon abilities only start at Lieutenant rank, making 2/3rds of the ship's tactical bridge officer slots useless to people who want to leverage that ability. (Hakaishin builds are still great, and are even better with A2B...)
I'd say there are plenty of reasons to give the Galaxy-X a Lt Cdr tactical slot. Saying "lol, FAW" is a total cop out.
He's mainly talking about PvP I think, where APB isn't of much use due to tact team.
APO counters warp plasma, graviton pulse, grav wells, chroniton torps and the subspace integration circuit, all of which are spammed about without mercy in PvP.
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huh?
I won't disagree that there are a lot of cases of people being overtly hostile, but you're not leading by example if you're going to chime in and avoid actual topic.
Nobody knows what the deal with the bridge is yet.
(6)(c) - They said "we're giving you a dreadnought dreadnought like the other dreadnoughts to replace the current dreadnought" (those ships are all fleet-tier ships) and after they said that and failed to deliver they added in "oh, and we're making a Fleet-store version - " strongly inferring "that's where the ship we promised to replace the current dreadnought with is actually going to be."
And I have responded to Nakedsnake001 though I left out the part expounding upon how bylines work in media that works save for a snarky comment.
I've seen the Gal-Dread suped up against another Cruiser.
Here is to hoping the "phaser lance" is a regular weapon otherwise *facepalm*
You missed the memo? We are preparing for season 9's new content - the WATER ALIEN PLANET!
Oh - and your point is 100% valid.
It's "metrics" and "monetization".
An "All Good Things" Bridge would've been slick for the Dreadnought.
A lot of people seem to think the fleet-store is "the ship" - apparently they hate the Scimitar so much they don't even realize it's fleet-store-grade and a Dreadnought bought zen-store.
Rhetorical Question: Will you ever post something that isn't asinine and/or back-biting?
I'm a tad surprised about the Dyson tech as well - Although that ship doesn't bode well for how they may be intending to deal with "ship competitiveness" (tactical power = real power) that pack-layout is drastically superior to what is found on the Galaxy-R and X. And given how the Dyson's "swap function" could have been integrated into both the VA ships (through the saucer console especially) it is a little disheartening that something that actually qualifies as "innovative" in STO is not being leveraged here //.
As for the "in line with other dreadnoughts" comment, it is problematic overall beyond "merely tactical seating"; their entire adjustment is a hangar and the functionally-false claim of a "New boff layout" as the only thing they did was make the existing layout's weakest seat science friendly (as the alternative is a neutered Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit layout).
They have what, three other dreadnought's for seating examples (Scimitar, JHD, VBD) and they do this?
And the "trolling" is old, and I recognize that my own trolling of trolls has no excuse though its purpose is noble - their cremation.
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Yes u told me something i already know for a long time about Beta and FaW which is NOTHING NEW... i only mention APO since is perhaps the best escape ability in PvP.
Have u ever been in PvP lately or u been drawing up PvP paper statistics, People nowadays are using all types of holding abilities from Tractor Beams, Tractor Beam replusers with a Boff that can draw ppl close to the person using it, Warp Plasma/console variants, powerful Grav wells, etc.. the only thing the PH does is counter are tractor beams and gives Dmg Resist
then again i'm a KDF player fighting against more Fed players using mostly Sci Ships and Rom ships now.
My lil brother have a Fleet Negh'var (which u can't miss IKS Viet'nam) he has max IntDamp and using his universal ensign station for PH-I and even with that he can't escape from any movement impairment abilities that is not from a Tractor beam.
I've fought against alot of Sovies and Excelsiors players to know many of those don't even use FaW III, some of them just fly around attack with weaker versions of FaW while using all types of EPtE, AtD and APO (not every1 uses AtB builts) just to hit and run and when 2 be... escape, but like most Fed players of all types they usually find some way 2 flee from battle.
by the way neither the Excelsior or the Sovie on the Sci boff part can't use PH without giving up HE, TSS or ST (to counter Subnukes) so its giving up a shield heal or hull heal vs a weaker non guarantee escape ability while on the tac boff part it's more superior offense vs superior chance to escape... i don't speak for anybody, i speak for what i have experience and see what ppl do, while u on the other hand thinks every1 does the same thing.