The DSDs seem to be selling just fine, particularly the Romulan ones for obvious reasons. I don't think they ever expected people to buy the mega pack en masse. It's just a nice option for people who really wanted all of them for a nice discount.
Just keep it all in perspective. For instance the person you're replying to is a big fan of the Galaxy X, which I myself think looks weird.
You are mistaken. I don't like the Galaxy X at all, I do however like the Venture Type. The Galaxy X would serve no different (to me) than a Fleet Assault Cruiser. Cryptic obviously aren't up to the task of retrofitting the Galaxy properly, they've been asked for long enough. Regardless, I have Assault Cruiser (fleet) and no need for another tac-heavy cruiser. What I need now is an up to date looking sci-heavy cruiser.
My signature/banner was created merely to reflect both a Tactical and Science view of a revamped Galaxy Class.
The Dysons are selling, I'm seeing a lot of them around and if people are enjoying them, it's their money and they can spend it any way they like.
People having have been asking for work to be done on the Galaxy for a long time now, I already own a couple of the c-store units so I am looking to this, but I can understand Cryptic wanting to put together some kind of a sale to revive interest in the ship after taking time to work on it.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
the game is so broken and unbalanced at this point, it wouldn't hurt the game to just make the galaxy on par with say the fleet sovereign, and make the galaxy x the feddie version of the scimitar. honestly, no other part of this game seems to care about balance and fung shuae.
Fung what? Is that like a mushroom of some sort?
Anyways, they're not going to make the Galaxy X a federation version of the scimitar.
No matter how many people post about it.
They may eventually make a federation ship like a scimitar. But it'll be something else. Something new. To buy. Because that's how this game works.
firstly, we can all assume what its gonna look like for two reasons..
1. cryptic. (more importantly geko) has become predictable, and fallows a routine when it comes to these ships.. so much so, that even before most new ships have had any info released (besides for that they are in develppment) the community has pretty much nailed down what its gonna be before they even tell us...
2. geko and cryptic seem to have something against the galaxy. case and point.. the galaxy class is one of the most iconic ships in the series, and honestly, it is pretty useless in the game. (sure you can make a tank out of it, but we don't need tanks. not when stf's are dropping in less than a minute, further more, as an engineer, I tank with escorts just fine, which is another problem for another thread). but the galaxy, despite the insane amount of pleas, and threads, and ideas, and people wishing it was usefull in game terms, has been the red headed step child of the game.
the galaxy class in game in no way shape or form (besides looks) reflects what it was on screen. then, the galaxy dreadnaught comes along. the first dreadnaught, and it is usesless as well.. I have a video on youtube of me destroying one with a t4 defient (as there was not a t5 at the time, and I really liked the ship lol). but I man handled it. that shouldn't have happened.
cryptic has made it quite clear that they do not want the galaxy in the line light. it is almost like they are going out of their way to buff, but not buff it.. lol... the majority of the posts I have read in the past (and there is lots) stated that the boff layout and console layout is the problem.. well, they revise the ship, and they touched everything but boff and console layout lol.. it just seems intentional at this point..
the game is so broken and unbalanced at this point, it wouldn't hurt the game to just make the galaxy on par with say the fleet sovereign, and make the galaxy x the feddie version of the scimitar. honestly, no other part of this game seems to care about balance and fung shuae.
While for PvE DPS teams, galaxy's may be out of luck compared to scimitars, but personally I hate scimmys on my team, especially the huge DPS ones, they make elite STF"s too easy. In PvP however, the galaxy is a force to be reckoned with. A properly built one can tank it's way to hell and back, and deal some damage too. If you join our fleet PvP's you'll find that one, my galaxy can take a helluva lot of damage, and if you ignore me, I'll end up killing you, albeit slower than my excel or avenger. I think that the fleet Galaxy X is going to be a beast ship in PvP, and while other ships will be better, it'll still be feared. I'm hoping that the extra console slot goes to tac or science.
Edit: The galaxy shouldn't be the best ship in game, it's a 50-60 year old ship, and the avenger/regent classes are brand to 20 year old ships, built more for combat especially against borg and undine. However, the galaxy should be superior to the excelsior.
While for PvE DPS teams, galaxy's may be out of luck compared to scimitars, but personally I hate scimmys on my team, especially the huge DPS ones, they make elite STF"s too easy. In PvP however, the galaxy is a force to be reckoned with. A properly built one can tank it's way to hell and back, and deal some damage too. If you join our fleet PvP's you'll find that one, my galaxy can take a helluva lot of damage, and if you ignore me, I'll end up killing you, albeit slower than my excel or avenger. I think that the fleet Galaxy X is going to be a beast ship in PvP, and while other ships will be better, it'll still be feared. I'm hoping that the extra console slot goes to tac or science.
Edit: The galaxy shouldn't be the best ship in game, it's a 50-60 year old ship, and the avenger/regent classes are brand to 20 year old ships, built more for combat especially against borg and undine. However, the galaxy should be superior to the excelsior.
the galaxy dreadnaught, is a fully refitted ship from this time line the game takes place in.. and still slapped two klink ships like rag dolls without taking a scratch in this time line.. (and those two ships were slapping the sh*t out of another fed ship current to this time line, so the argument that it could have been two older klink vessels is invalid)..
im in no way saying it has to be the strongest ship in the game, but at this point, its not even at the half way mark... and, you cant argue age, when excelsior classes are running around with stronger boff layouts than the galaxy. plus, the galaxy class was built to have a long long service life..
im not arguing so they will change the ship at this point before they release it, cause we all know how well cryptic listens to the players.. (look at the grindaversary, and look at this galaxy debacle, there is literally hundreds of threads and posts all pretty much saying the boff and console layout blows on these two ships, and they didn't even look at boff and consoles when refitting it lol..)
like I said, its like cryptic and geko went out of their way to buff, but not buff these ships..
They might have sold me the KDF Dyson if it didn't look like TRIBBLE. To me it looks like they put all their effort towards the Romulan one, a decent amount of effort towards the Fed one, and then just slapped something together for the KDF so they could finish on time.
I didn't buy them because I wanted to play a Star Trek game and they don't look like Star Trek ships to me. Also they are ugly. Except the Romulan one but that's only because it's basically the Whitestar from Babylon 5.
It's basically a shrunk D'deridex with some Solanae design influence. It really does not have much resemblance to a White Star.
LOL at the belief that a Galaxy geared for survival is going to kill anybody in pvp. My experience in pvp is that if you aren't pushing a HUGE amount of dps than your dps may as well be 0 for all the progress you'll make wearing down a players layer after layer of defenses and cooldowns. About all a zombie build can do you in pvp is tickle people with their beams while staying alive. That works great up until the opposing team simply opts to focus on the Scims and Defiants instead.
I'd imagine the romulan Dysons are selling reasonably, and the KDF as well.
Neither of those factions have a wide range of science ships to choose from.
If, for any reason the slim pickings before the Dysons didnt appeal, the new ships are a godsend.
However, I doubt the Fed one is doing as good business.
It's a crowded field for science ships Fed-side and, in my view and i dont think I'm alone, the Dyson isn't near the top of the pack.
So, its not impossible that the timing of the Gal pack was tweaked to try to get some more Fed sales.
However, as BG said, its not a quick thing to do...........
....unless (reaching for the tinfoil hat) Darth Gecko has a small number of things the community have asked for, ready and waiting to deploy in order to distract us.
LOL at the belief that a Galaxy geared for survival is going to kill anybody in pvp. My experience in pvp is that if you aren't pushing a HUGE amount of dps than your dps may as well be 0 for all the progress you'll make wearing down a players layer after layer of defenses and cooldowns. About all a zombie build can do you in pvp is tickle people with their beams while staying alive. That works great up until the opposing team simply opts to focus on the Scims and Defiants instead.
lol, I know with my limited pvp experience, we just ignore the galaxies.. keep em locked down from being able to drop massive heals on everyone, but we very rarely try to kill them, cause they aint killing anyone else.. even the dreadnaughts..
(speaking to the camera) What the h***'s going on? I lost my show, I lost my best friend, I lost my girl. I'm being s**t on, that's all, s**t on! And you know what really p***es me off [camera pans away] Wait, no, come on back.. OK, things aren't as bad as they seem... I'll figure somethin' out, OK?
'Cept their conversation went a little more like this:
(speaking to the each other) What the h***'s going on? They didn't like the event, they didn't like the grind, they aren't buying the DSD. We're being s**t on, that's all, s**t on! And you know what really p***es me off [p[layers start going away] Wait, no, come on back.. OK, things aren't as bad as they seem... We'll figure somethin' out, OK?
This is what they thought of.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
Lulz. Idk what game you're PvPing in. Fear Galaxy in PvP? Hell no! Not even as a healer. Maybe a Galaxy-X and only if it's flown by 1 player in the whole game.
Pay attention please. I said the revamped fleet Galaxy X.
It looks nothing like a White Star, other than it having wings on engines and a forward boom type hull structure..... but then describes a majority of Klingon and Romulan designs. It's forward full strucuture is like a D'deridex, it's parallel split wing design is shaped like that of a D'deridex, it's rear section while more pointed is roughly shaped like a D'deridex, it's leading wings are straight like a D'deridex
But sure, other than the engines, wings, foward hull, tail section, main hull body and color, it looks JUST like a White Star .
Sad part is I keep seeing tons of the Zshop versions of the SDs flying around -.- why people just why
Because the Dyson Science Destroyers fill critical holes in the RRW & KDF ship lineups: Science Vessels. The KDF Carriers are very SCI oriented, but the very slow turn rates bring serious issues in presenting abilities at the right location, on time. Outside of that, there's the Veranus. The BOPs can be made to do the role, but have no staying power, esp. when it comes to PVP. For the Roms, only the Ha'nom. And that's it.
And the Consoles enhance what stuff the player has probably already collected. Not to mention the standard upgrade from 9 to 10 console ships.
The default Science mode, BOFF station wise, is somewhat like the Fleet Nova, which gives you some nice little balance and synergy.
For Feds, the Dyson Science Ships are inferior (IMO) to what they have, even if excluding lobi/lockbox ships.
If you can't see the varying degree of benefits of the Dyson ships across the game to the 3 different factions, you need to pull your face back from the keyboard.
They had to redo the Galaxy models to allow for the enhanced separation tech.
The saucer on the X maybe , and I'm not even sure about that for the Gal-R .
What's your source about this ?
That's not a weekend slam-dunk. This has been in the works for awhile.
They have been at the tech for a loooooong while -- too long for any one to consider that they were working on it non-stop or something .
But both the new stats (including the 2 set piece bonus) and the slight remodeling needed to make the Gal-R's saucer look like the Gal X's -- all that sounds indeed , a weekend job .
Fleet Galaxy R
Change Ensign Engineer to Ensign Universal
Raise Shield Modifier from 1.1 to 1.15
Fleet Galaxy X
Change Lt. Cmdr. Engineer to Lt. Cmdr. Tactical
These small changes would make them significantly more effective and fun ships to fly. Granted if I could really go crazy with it I would do the following.
Fleet Galaxy R
Completely Change Boff seating to Cmdr Engineer, Lt Cmdr Tactical, Lt Cmdr Science, Lt Engineer.
Still Raise Shield Modifier from 1.1 to 1.15
Fleet Galaxy X
Change Cmdr. Engineer to Cmdr. Tactical
The hyper focused Engineering boff seating is the main weakness of the galaxy ships and makes little sense from a lore point of view when the galaxy was designed as a multi purpose vessel. Additionally the fact of the matter in STO is the more flexible the boff layout, and the more tactical seats, the more effective the ship. Neither of these would even come close to the raw power of the scimitar so I don't think they would become OP with these changes.
In the december ugc podcast geko let everyone know that the galaxy x dreadnought had been put back on the production rotation. It took them around 3 months to get it out: mid december to early march.
Sad part is I keep seeing tons of the Zshop versions of the SDs flying around -.- why people just why
Its amazing...people try and bash the SD's because they don't like what Cryptic is doing with the 9 pack...making the ship sound like it sucks and is good for nothing. I'd take it over any free ship...the 9 console one.
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All i would want would be Lt com Tac in replacement of Lt com eng.
At the very least uni ens from the engineer not the tac as that is what it will be used for anyway.
I don't own the galaxy and looks like i never will till they sort it out.
Don't care about hanger or saucer seperation, Just give it a Lt com tac, should be so simple yet they just refuse to do it.
Well to be honest there are plenty of Lt Cmdr Tac Cruiser options out there, I mean you have the Excelsior, Avenger, Assault Cruiser, and the Odyssey can be fitted with a tac. Do we really need more?
Fleet Galaxy R
Change Ensign Engineer to Ensign Universal
Raise Shield Modifier from 1.1 to 1.15
Fleet Galaxy X
Change Lt. Cmdr. Engineer to Lt. Cmdr. Tactical
These small changes would make them significantly more effective and fun ships to fly. Granted if I could really go crazy with it I would do the following.
Fleet Galaxy R
Completely Change Boff seating to Cmdr Engineer, Lt Cmdr Tactical, Lt Cmdr Science, Lt Engineer.
Still Raise Shield Modifier from 1.1 to 1.15
Fleet Galaxy X
Change Cmdr. Engineer to Cmdr. Tactical
The hyper focused Engineering boff seating is the main weakness of the galaxy ships and makes little sense from a lore point of view when the galaxy was designed as a multi purpose vessel. Additionally the fact of the matter in STO is the more flexible the boff layout, and the more tactical seats, the more effective the ship. Neither of these would even come close to the raw power of the scimitar so I don't think they would become OP with these changes.
Unlikely to happen. All the Galaxy X or R is useful for is blowing up and causing damage to nearby escorts and freighters. It really helps with Enemy Signal Contacts.
I don't see as many z-store Dyson ships as other Z-store ships when they were released, you would see a lot more Kumari or Vesta then you do Dyson ships.
I didn't get the Anniversary ship or the Z-store Dyson ships and won't unless the secondary deflector and warp core are thrown in with a bundle. I won't buy a Z-store ship that has parts of its set locked behind a Lobi or grindwall. It sets a very bad precedent for the game and I will never ever support this model of releasing ships.
Looking forward to a Fleet Dreadnought, not sure if I want to get the retro for the separation console though.
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That's pretty much what fleet avenger, assault cruiser refit and excelsior have give or take some boff layout variance. LTC tac and 4 tac consoles are what's most important and it's what all three of those fleet cruisers have.
If it doesn't get LTC tac and 4 tac consoles I will not be a customer. I don't own any of those cruisers yet but I might be shopping for one soon.
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You are mistaken. I don't like the Galaxy X at all, I do however like the Venture Type. The Galaxy X would serve no different (to me) than a Fleet Assault Cruiser. Cryptic obviously aren't up to the task of retrofitting the Galaxy properly, they've been asked for long enough. Regardless, I have Assault Cruiser (fleet) and no need for another tac-heavy cruiser. What I need now is an up to date looking sci-heavy cruiser.
My signature/banner was created merely to reflect both a Tactical and Science view of a revamped Galaxy Class.
People having have been asking for work to be done on the Galaxy for a long time now, I already own a couple of the c-store units so I am looking to this, but I can understand Cryptic wanting to put together some kind of a sale to revive interest in the ship after taking time to work on it.
Fung what? Is that like a mushroom of some sort?
Anyways, they're not going to make the Galaxy X a federation version of the scimitar.
No matter how many people post about it.
They may eventually make a federation ship like a scimitar. But it'll be something else. Something new. To buy. Because that's how this game works.
yes I know.. profits over customer satisfaction.. we know.. lol..
Edit: The galaxy shouldn't be the best ship in game, it's a 50-60 year old ship, and the avenger/regent classes are brand to 20 year old ships, built more for combat especially against borg and undine. However, the galaxy should be superior to the excelsior.
the galaxy dreadnaught, is a fully refitted ship from this time line the game takes place in.. and still slapped two klink ships like rag dolls without taking a scratch in this time line.. (and those two ships were slapping the sh*t out of another fed ship current to this time line, so the argument that it could have been two older klink vessels is invalid)..
im in no way saying it has to be the strongest ship in the game, but at this point, its not even at the half way mark... and, you cant argue age, when excelsior classes are running around with stronger boff layouts than the galaxy. plus, the galaxy class was built to have a long long service life..
im not arguing so they will change the ship at this point before they release it, cause we all know how well cryptic listens to the players.. (look at the grindaversary, and look at this galaxy debacle, there is literally hundreds of threads and posts all pretty much saying the boff and console layout blows on these two ships, and they didn't even look at boff and consoles when refitting it lol..)
like I said, its like cryptic and geko went out of their way to buff, but not buff these ships..
"Here KDF, have a big white spacepenis."
It's basically a shrunk D'deridex with some Solanae design influence. It really does not have much resemblance to a White Star.
Neither of those factions have a wide range of science ships to choose from.
If, for any reason the slim pickings before the Dysons didnt appeal, the new ships are a godsend.
However, I doubt the Fed one is doing as good business.
It's a crowded field for science ships Fed-side and, in my view and i dont think I'm alone, the Dyson isn't near the top of the pack.
So, its not impossible that the timing of the Gal pack was tweaked to try to get some more Fed sales.
However, as BG said, its not a quick thing to do...........
....unless (reaching for the tinfoil hat) Darth Gecko has a small number of things the community have asked for, ready and waiting to deploy in order to distract us.
lol, I know with my limited pvp experience, we just ignore the galaxies.. keep em locked down from being able to drop massive heals on everyone, but we very rarely try to kill them, cause they aint killing anyone else.. even the dreadnaughts..
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It looks nothing like a White Star, other than it having wings on engines and a forward boom type hull structure..... but then describes a majority of Klingon and Romulan designs. It's forward full strucuture is like a D'deridex, it's parallel split wing design is shaped like that of a D'deridex, it's rear section while more pointed is roughly shaped like a D'deridex, it's leading wings are straight like a D'deridex
But sure, other than the engines, wings, foward hull, tail section, main hull body and color, it looks JUST like a White Star .
With just a LT tactical slot and possibly only 3 tactical consoles it won't be a beast. It will be better than it is currently though.
You'd still be better off in a fleet avenger, assault cruiser refit or excelsior.
Because the Dyson Science Destroyers fill critical holes in the RRW & KDF ship lineups: Science Vessels. The KDF Carriers are very SCI oriented, but the very slow turn rates bring serious issues in presenting abilities at the right location, on time. Outside of that, there's the Veranus. The BOPs can be made to do the role, but have no staying power, esp. when it comes to PVP. For the Roms, only the Ha'nom. And that's it.
And the Consoles enhance what stuff the player has probably already collected. Not to mention the standard upgrade from 9 to 10 console ships.
The default Science mode, BOFF station wise, is somewhat like the Fleet Nova, which gives you some nice little balance and synergy.
For Feds, the Dyson Science Ships are inferior (IMO) to what they have, even if excluding lobi/lockbox ships.
If you can't see the varying degree of benefits of the Dyson ships across the game to the 3 different factions, you need to pull your face back from the keyboard.
The saucer on the X maybe , and I'm not even sure about that for the Gal-R .
What's your source about this ?
They have been at the tech for a loooooong while -- too long for any one to consider that they were working on it non-stop or something .
But both the new stats (including the 2 set piece bonus) and the slight remodeling needed to make the Gal-R's saucer look like the Gal X's -- all that sounds indeed , a weekend job .
One can hope ... .
Change Ensign Engineer to Ensign Universal
Raise Shield Modifier from 1.1 to 1.15
Fleet Galaxy X
Change Lt. Cmdr. Engineer to Lt. Cmdr. Tactical
These small changes would make them significantly more effective and fun ships to fly. Granted if I could really go crazy with it I would do the following.
Fleet Galaxy R
Completely Change Boff seating to Cmdr Engineer, Lt Cmdr Tactical, Lt Cmdr Science, Lt Engineer.
Still Raise Shield Modifier from 1.1 to 1.15
Fleet Galaxy X
Change Cmdr. Engineer to Cmdr. Tactical
The hyper focused Engineering boff seating is the main weakness of the galaxy ships and makes little sense from a lore point of view when the galaxy was designed as a multi purpose vessel. Additionally the fact of the matter in STO is the more flexible the boff layout, and the more tactical seats, the more effective the ship. Neither of these would even come close to the raw power of the scimitar so I don't think they would become OP with these changes.
At the very least uni ens from the engineer not the tac as that is what it will be used for anyway.
I don't own the galaxy and looks like i never will till they sort it out.
Don't care about hanger or saucer seperation, Just give it a Lt com tac, should be so simple yet they just refuse to do it.
Its amazing...people try and bash the SD's because they don't like what Cryptic is doing with the 9 pack...making the ship sound like it sucks and is good for nothing. I'd take it over any free ship...the 9 console one.
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Well to be honest there are plenty of Lt Cmdr Tac Cruiser options out there, I mean you have the Excelsior, Avenger, Assault Cruiser, and the Odyssey can be fitted with a tac. Do we really need more?
Unlikely to happen. All the Galaxy X or R is useful for is blowing up and causing damage to nearby escorts and freighters. It really helps with Enemy Signal Contacts.
I didn't get the Anniversary ship or the Z-store Dyson ships and won't unless the secondary deflector and warp core are thrown in with a bundle. I won't buy a Z-store ship that has parts of its set locked behind a Lobi or grindwall. It sets a very bad precedent for the game and I will never ever support this model of releasing ships.
Looking forward to a Fleet Dreadnought, not sure if I want to get the retro for the separation console though.
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LTC tac
C eng
LT eng
LT sci
E uni
and a 4 tac / 4 eng / 2 sci console layout.
That's pretty much what fleet avenger, assault cruiser refit and excelsior have give or take some boff layout variance. LTC tac and 4 tac consoles are what's most important and it's what all three of those fleet cruisers have.
If it doesn't get LTC tac and 4 tac consoles I will not be a customer. I don't own any of those cruisers yet but I might be shopping for one soon.