as for this ship... i didnt want another battle cruiser. while i am happy the kdf are finally being thrown a bone, i am not very excited about this ship.
a bop with some teeth though? thats something i will buy without hesitation.
also wondering when the bort will get a revamp due to its poor sales. after all, the rommies got a hangar for that reason. the kdf on the other hand... got years of cstore drought.
It's fugly. Seriously fugly. Cryptic needs to fire their design crew and get some fresh blood in. They're CERTAINLY not wasting the money on actual coding and development. So they need to not TRIBBLE up the art design side of things.
It will be another ship with NO customization. It looks atrocious. The style and design is simply ugly. Not brute force like traditional KDF ships. Not hybrid force+style like TNG era ships. Just UGLY.
5th forward slot does NOT mean we need to buy it. I'd go for a 4/4 ship as long as I could CUSTOMIZE it.
Hell, I'd pay for an "Advanced" Fleet K'tinga Retrofit if I got more hull to it and if I could customize the looks however I wanted. Mix and match neck, pylons, nacelles, bridge, module, etc.
a.)Buy the new Kdf battlecruiser because you like it
b.)Buy the new Kdf battlecruiser because you want to show support for Cryptic
If it would be so I would use the second button even if that button would cost more than the first with a 1000 zen .
I am thinking that there should be a way to make a difference between buying a ship because you want it and the people who build it were right and buying the same ship even if you don't need it and you buy it because you know that a business needs money to run.
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
It is too fast for a sub.
I don't forget what happened with kdf in last 2 years since I play this game .
Maybe in another 2 years from now I will reconsider if things will ever change.
In this moment I won't do such a thing
But for ship I would pay more if there would be a option to show my opinion about the last 2 year kdf ship design politic.
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
It's fugly. Seriously fugly. Cryptic needs to fire their design crew and get some fresh blood in. They're CERTAINLY not wasting the money on actual coding and development. So they need to not TRIBBLE up the art design side of things.
It will be another ship with NO customization. It looks atrocious. The style and design is simply ugly. Not brute force like traditional KDF ships. Not hybrid force+style like TNG era ships. Just UGLY.
5th forward slot does NOT mean we need to buy it. I'd go for a 4/4 ship as long as I could CUSTOMIZE it.
Hell, I'd pay for an "Advanced" Fleet K'tinga Retrofit if I got more hull to it and if I could customize the looks however I wanted. Mix and match neck, pylons, nacelles, bridge, module, etc.
fireing their art team because you dont like how it looks........ right
I "supported" this game since the month later it was launched, and kept playing as much as my nerves would let me despite the more than true vision that reviewers and critics had of this game since day 1.
I still play it, and as i said to my fleet mates, the only thing that is saving this game from close the curtain is the pure and simple fact that it the last Star Trek game to actually DO have a working online aspect.
If Star Trek games such as Legacy, BotF, Elite Force, etc. had still a properly working online multiplayer, they'd have much more community support than this one, but this is something to be discussed elsewhere and not surely here.
As far as the look, I'd recommend holding on forming an opinion until you've actually seen it in space as the static images don't do it justice IMO. It looked much nicer in the shipyard than the official image or the most often posted leaked screenshot to my eyes.
As far as customization, probably a few skin choices and pylons up or down like the Avenger.
Took them long enough to actually do ONE dev blog about it.....
I feel like that i'm a person with a lot of hurry when i compare my procrastination to theirs....
Just reinforces what we knew already.
Adding a material specularity map is NOT the same as adding customization to a ship. Having straight vs canted warp nacelles is a slap in the face. Inspired by the Vor'cha? I think not. The Vor'cha has an awesome amount of customization which you can choose to truly make a ship your own.
"Materials" options don't count.
Visually they mashed a Krenn into a Peghqu and stuck some ugly "armor plates" all over it in illogical patterns.
in the new kdf true battle cruiser i see a lot of klingon, gorn, orion in the ships angles and shapes. i hope that the spec for the kdl Mogh Battle Cruiser will actually slight out class the avenger with a little bit turning rate per second in good klingon style adn maybe a tiny bit better hall too. we will see tomorrow the specs for the Mogh Battle Cruiser
But I laugh when I think about how much angst Cryptic would create if they were to give the KDF a 3-pack version of the Avenger.
You know, if it wasn't for all the KDF whining out there, I could care less if they released a 3-ship (or hell, make it a 6-pack (yeah, I just made SOME peoples' day) of KDF ships, based on whatever class/type you care to pick. Hell, I'd be like, "Cool, more ships for my 3 KDF gals to pick from. More ships for my Feds to fight alongside with, in STF's. More variety. Cool & good for them". But every time a new ship appears for the Feds (not so much against the Rihan, but still see a few complaints there too), Seems like all I see from KDF people, "No Fair. Feds got more ships. WAHHHHHHH!"
So yeah, I don't care if a SINGLE NEW SHIP EVER gets made for the KDF. Til the KDF primes can get off their high horse, act more mature, and kick that feeling of self-entitlement, I have no sympathy for them.
And yeah, I've heard (and read) about the whole "history of the KDF being ignored". So the hell what? Most people like to play as Fed, that means, most if the things will end up being made for them. It's pure logic, and common sense. Sheesh. Maybe if more KDF people would, I don't know, try to up people's level of enthusiasm for playing 1 (or more) KDF characters, and have fun with it, then gee, maybe more of the player-base will play KDF. And gee, when those numbers of KDF characters rise, then it would make sense for more things to be made for them, as more people would want them. Again, pure logic.
But the rampant self-entitlement and general lack of maturity in KDF-players, made me think long and hard about even wasting my time with more than 1 KDF character. But you know what, I decided to , because I figured, hell, why let those TRIBBLE-ants kill my good time. I'll FIND ways to enjoy my KDF experience, from whatever angle I choose. (It actually ends up being, my characters get to use KDF equipment, and base themselves out of the Klingon territories, but their actually independent ship commanders. And when I'm actually playing one of my KDF characters, I try to present a positive, and mature aspect, so when others play alongside my characters, or run into them in whatever zone, they're like, "Hey, A KDF character, cool. "
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
But the rampant self-entitlement and general lack of maturity in KDF-players, made me think long and hard about even wasting my time with more than 1 KDF character. "
All one has to do is look at fed posts in the forums to see who is really the self entitled side, and spend ten minutes in ESD chat compared to qo'nos to see which side has more players "lacking maturity".
You know, if it wasn't for all the KDF whining out there, I could care less if they released a 3-ship (or hell, make it a 6-pack (yeah, I just made SOME peoples' day) of KDF ships, based on whatever class/type you care to pick. Hell, I'd be like, "Cool, more ships for my 3 KDF gals to pick from. More ships for my Feds to fight alongside with, in STF's. More variety. Cool & good for them". But every time a new ship appears for the Feds (not so much against the Rihan, but still see a few complaints there too), Seems like all I see from KDF people, "No Fair. Feds got more ships. WAHHHHHHH!"
So yeah, I don't care if a SINGLE NEW SHIP EVER gets made for the KDF. Til the KDF primes can get off their high horse, act more mature, and kick that feeling of self-entitlement, I have no sympathy for them.
And yeah, I've heard (and read) about the whole "history of the KDF being ignored". So the hell what? Most people like to play as Fed, that means, most if the things will end up being made for them. It's pure logic, and common sense. Sheesh. Maybe if more KDF people would, I don't know, try to up people's level of enthusiasm for playing 1 (or more) KDF characters, and have fun with it, then gee, maybe more of the player-base will play KDF. And gee, when those numbers of KDF characters rise, then it would make sense for more things to be made for them, as more people would want them. Again, pure logic.
But the rampant self-entitlement and general lack of maturity in KDF-players, made me think long and hard about even wasting my time with more than 1 KDF character. But you know what, I decided to , because I figured, hell, why let those TRIBBLE-ants kill my good time. I'll FIND ways to enjoy my KDF experience, from whatever angle I choose. (It actually ends up being, my characters get to use KDF equipment, and base themselves out of the Klingon territories, but their actually independent ship commanders. And when I'm actually playing one of my KDF characters, I try to present a positive, and mature aspect, so when others play alongside my characters, or run into them in whatever zone, they're like, "Hey, A KDF character, cool. "
Me thinkst someone hast left the keys in the dungeon door again.
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
As far as the look, I'd recommend holding on forming an opinion until you've actually seen it in space as the static images don't do it justice IMO. It looked much nicer in the shipyard than the official image or the most often posted leaked screenshot to my eyes.
As far as customization, probably a few skin choices and pylons up or down like the Avenger.
RSP2 is Lt. Comm, so you could fit that. It's a small gain over RSP1, but still decent.
Im always wondering if a Antiproton build using 4 FLEET DHCs, A CritH-CritD Torp, (1) KCB, (1) OD AP beam array and a rear Torp might work as well with a Tac Boff setup as so;
Ens- TT1
LTC- BO1 CRF1 TS3
Use the sam AtB setup and add the Voth +13.1% AP damage console. The BO1 becomes useful as the only Beam Array that can use it should be the Voth OD AP array. Making a no brainer.
With all due respect, that's a matter of opinion. Plenty of players consider the Avenger ugly. I, like numerous other players, don't.
Saying that you dislike the design/feel that it's ugly is an opinion that you are, obviously, entitled to. However, to say that the Dev's are doing something wrong, and outright insulting them, simply because YOU, personally, don't like the end product is a little too opinionated.
Not really. To him, they ARE doing something wrong. To you, they are doing something right. It's all a matter of perspective.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
All one has to do is look at fed posts in the forums to see who is really the self entitled side, and spend ten minutes in ESD chat compared to qo'nos to see which side has more players "lacking maturity".
Lol, all I see in Qo'nos zone, is crickets, most of the time.
And no, I think I can look at forum posts,AND peoples in-game behaviours, to judge maturity levels.
Also, I stand by what I have said, there are plenty of Fed primes that have said they would like to see more KDF content, but maybe 2% of the KDF prime population that I see, are glad when the Feds (or the Rihan) get any kind of content. The other 98% go "WAHHHH GIVE US MORE STUFF."
, oh, and btw, asking "Are U MAD bro?" in response to what I've said, not really. Just terribly sick of seeing the same bs over & over. Wish more people would grow up, and realize, it's not all about them.
And btw, there IS a differnece, in say, putting a wishlist up, and saying, "This is what I'd like tosee" and it just happens to be about what you mainly have fun with, vs, "WAHHHH THE OTHER SIDE GETS STUFF. ONLY I DESERVE TO GET MY SHINIES."
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
I already have my 2500 Zen waiting to go for the Mogh and yes it might be an Avenger clone but it will be a better version of the Avenger IMO.
KDF players have spent years using Dual Heavy Cannons on Battle Cruisers with lower turn rates than the Mogh and now we finally are getting a 5 forward Weapon Slot toting, integrated cloak having beat stick to play with.
I am also wondering what the nature of the Moghs special console will be, call me crazy but I would love to see something the Wave Motion Gun that would work like the Phaser lance on the X but actually be worth using
"WAHHHH THE OTHER SIDE GETS STUFF. ONLY I DESERVE TO GET MY SHINIES."
Which is exactly the point I was making when I made my comment about the angst you'd see if Cryptic were to give the KDF a 3-pack verion of the Avenger. The crybabies Fed-side would be coming out of the woodwork. It goes both ways (actually it goes 3 ways, there are plenty of whiners Rommy-side as well, shut up about Tovan Khev!).
I personally cannot wait to buy the Mogh, mainly because I want to support the KDF and convince Cryptic to invest more into the faction.
I already have my 2500 Zen waiting to go for the Mogh and yes it might be an Avenger clone but it will be a better version of the Avenger IMO.
KDF players have spent years using Dual Heavy Cannons on Battle Cruisers with lower turn rates than the Mogh and now we finally are getting a 5 forward Weapon Slot toting, integrated cloak having beat stick to play with.
I am also wondering what the nature of the Moghs special console will be, call me crazy but I would love to see something the Wave Motion Gun that would work like the Phaser lance on the X but actually be worth using
"...Dynamic Defense Deployment System, a versatile rapid defense deployment weapon designed specifically for the ship." http://bit.ly/1jKe2j7
Isn't this the special console? I never really paid attention to the special weapon the Avenger-Class has but looking here it doesn't sound like it would be the same thing.
I am also wondering what the nature of the Moghs special console will be, call me crazy but I would love to see something the Wave Motion Gun that would work like the Phaser lance on the X but actually be worth using
They tried that with the Bortas. It was called the Autocannon. It sucks just as bad as the phaser lance. Damage isn't all that great, and cooldown is way to long to ever really use twice in an engagement.
No, if anything they need to STOP with the ship-only consoles. *IF* they add such a feature to a ship, add it to the SHIP, not to a console. There aren't enough console slots as it is. These things need to be native to the ship itself, like battlecloaks or the phaser lance on the gal-X. No console, just make it an option to place on the power tray.
"There's nothing on this ship that doesn't have a use in combat."
This quote taken straight from the dev blog...how can they say this and NOT give it BattleCloak? We will see tomorrow when the stats are released, but man that's just cheese if they don't give it battlecloak. The veteran Klingon ship has battlecloak. I'm going to be highly disappointed if they wuuuuuuuus out.
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as for this ship... i didnt want another battle cruiser. while i am happy the kdf are finally being thrown a bone, i am not very excited about this ship.
a bop with some teeth though? thats something i will buy without hesitation.
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You see it in the Lobi ships and Romulan ships, with the set bonuses. And even the free Breen ships.
Game design led by marketing design of OCD and the compelling motivation to have it all and if you don't have it all you're missing out.
And Friday I will be buying it for G'hargh.
R.I.P
Then EWP in place of Dem2. Though I would like to have a RSP for defense sake but see no way to do it without having a AtB1 - AtB2 setup.
R.I.P
It will be another ship with NO customization. It looks atrocious. The style and design is simply ugly. Not brute force like traditional KDF ships. Not hybrid force+style like TNG era ships. Just UGLY.
5th forward slot does NOT mean we need to buy it. I'd go for a 4/4 ship as long as I could CUSTOMIZE it.
Hell, I'd pay for an "Advanced" Fleet K'tinga Retrofit if I got more hull to it and if I could customize the looks however I wanted. Mix and match neck, pylons, nacelles, bridge, module, etc.
a.)Buy the new Kdf battlecruiser because you like it
b.)Buy the new Kdf battlecruiser because you want to show support for Cryptic
If it would be so I would use the second button even if that button would cost more than the first with a 1000 zen .
I am thinking that there should be a way to make a difference between buying a ship because you want it and the people who build it were right and buying the same ship even if you don't need it and you buy it because you know that a business needs money to run.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
It is too fast for a sub.
I don't forget what happened with kdf in last 2 years since I play this game .
Maybe in another 2 years from now I will reconsider if things will ever change.
In this moment I won't do such a thing
But for ship I would pay more if there would be a option to show my opinion about the last 2 year kdf ship design politic.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
fireing their art team because you dont like how it looks........ right
I "supported" this game since the month later it was launched, and kept playing as much as my nerves would let me despite the more than true vision that reviewers and critics had of this game since day 1.
I still play it, and as i said to my fleet mates, the only thing that is saving this game from close the curtain is the pure and simple fact that it the last Star Trek game to actually DO have a working online aspect.
If Star Trek games such as Legacy, BotF, Elite Force, etc. had still a properly working online multiplayer, they'd have much more community support than this one, but this is something to be discussed elsewhere and not surely here.
As far as customization, probably a few skin choices and pylons up or down like the Avenger.
RSP2 is Lt. Comm, so you could fit that. It's a small gain over RSP1, but still decent.
Took them long enough to actually do ONE dev blog about it.....
I feel like that i'm a person with a lot of hurry when i compare my procrastination to theirs....
Just reinforces what we knew already.
Adding a material specularity map is NOT the same as adding customization to a ship. Having straight vs canted warp nacelles is a slap in the face. Inspired by the Vor'cha? I think not. The Vor'cha has an awesome amount of customization which you can choose to truly make a ship your own.
"Materials" options don't count.
Visually they mashed a Krenn into a Peghqu and stuck some ugly "armor plates" all over it in illogical patterns.
You know, if it wasn't for all the KDF whining out there, I could care less if they released a 3-ship (or hell, make it a 6-pack (yeah, I just made SOME peoples' day) of KDF ships, based on whatever class/type you care to pick. Hell, I'd be like, "Cool, more ships for my 3 KDF gals to pick from. More ships for my Feds to fight alongside with, in STF's. More variety. Cool & good for them". But every time a new ship appears for the Feds (not so much against the Rihan, but still see a few complaints there too), Seems like all I see from KDF people, "No Fair. Feds got more ships. WAHHHHHHH!"
So yeah, I don't care if a SINGLE NEW SHIP EVER gets made for the KDF. Til the KDF primes can get off their high horse, act more mature, and kick that feeling of self-entitlement, I have no sympathy for them.
And yeah, I've heard (and read) about the whole "history of the KDF being ignored". So the hell what? Most people like to play as Fed, that means, most if the things will end up being made for them. It's pure logic, and common sense. Sheesh. Maybe if more KDF people would, I don't know, try to up people's level of enthusiasm for playing 1 (or more) KDF characters, and have fun with it, then gee, maybe more of the player-base will play KDF. And gee, when those numbers of KDF characters rise, then it would make sense for more things to be made for them, as more people would want them. Again, pure logic.
But the rampant self-entitlement and general lack of maturity in KDF-players, made me think long and hard about even wasting my time with more than 1 KDF character. But you know what, I decided to , because I figured, hell, why let those TRIBBLE-ants kill my good time. I'll FIND ways to enjoy my KDF experience, from whatever angle I choose. (It actually ends up being, my characters get to use KDF equipment, and base themselves out of the Klingon territories, but their actually independent ship commanders. And when I'm actually playing one of my KDF characters, I try to present a positive, and mature aspect, so when others play alongside my characters, or run into them in whatever zone, they're like, "Hey, A KDF character, cool. "
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
R.I.P
All one has to do is look at fed posts in the forums to see who is really the self entitled side, and spend ten minutes in ESD chat compared to qo'nos to see which side has more players "lacking maturity".
Me thinkst someone hast left the keys in the dungeon door again.
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
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Im always wondering if a Antiproton build using 4 FLEET DHCs, A CritH-CritD Torp, (1) KCB, (1) OD AP beam array and a rear Torp might work as well with a Tac Boff setup as so;
Ens- TT1
LTC- BO1 CRF1 TS3
Use the sam AtB setup and add the Voth +13.1% AP damage console. The BO1 becomes useful as the only Beam Array that can use it should be the Voth OD AP array. Making a no brainer.
Thoughts?
R.I.P
Not really. To him, they ARE doing something wrong. To you, they are doing something right. It's all a matter of perspective.
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Lol, all I see in Qo'nos zone, is crickets, most of the time.
And no, I think I can look at forum posts,AND peoples in-game behaviours, to judge maturity levels.
Also, I stand by what I have said, there are plenty of Fed primes that have said they would like to see more KDF content, but maybe 2% of the KDF prime population that I see, are glad when the Feds (or the Rihan) get any kind of content. The other 98% go "WAHHHH GIVE US MORE STUFF."
, oh, and btw, asking "Are U MAD bro?" in response to what I've said, not really. Just terribly sick of seeing the same bs over & over. Wish more people would grow up, and realize, it's not all about them.
And btw, there IS a differnece, in say, putting a wishlist up, and saying, "This is what I'd like tosee" and it just happens to be about what you mainly have fun with, vs, "WAHHHH THE OTHER SIDE GETS STUFF. ONLY I DESERVE TO GET MY SHINIES."
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Just have to say, "Huh?"
Not really getting the reference.
Then again, maybe having a dungeon to throw people in wouldn't be such a bad idea.......
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
KDF players have spent years using Dual Heavy Cannons on Battle Cruisers with lower turn rates than the Mogh and now we finally are getting a 5 forward Weapon Slot toting, integrated cloak having beat stick to play with.
I am also wondering what the nature of the Moghs special console will be, call me crazy but I would love to see something the Wave Motion Gun that would work like the Phaser lance on the X but actually be worth using
Which is exactly the point I was making when I made my comment about the angst you'd see if Cryptic were to give the KDF a 3-pack verion of the Avenger. The crybabies Fed-side would be coming out of the woodwork. It goes both ways (actually it goes 3 ways, there are plenty of whiners Rommy-side as well, shut up about Tovan Khev!).
I personally cannot wait to buy the Mogh, mainly because I want to support the KDF and convince Cryptic to invest more into the faction.
"...Dynamic Defense Deployment System, a versatile rapid defense deployment weapon designed specifically for the ship." http://bit.ly/1jKe2j7
Isn't this the special console? I never really paid attention to the special weapon the Avenger-Class has but looking here it doesn't sound like it would be the same thing.
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They tried that with the Bortas. It was called the Autocannon. It sucks just as bad as the phaser lance. Damage isn't all that great, and cooldown is way to long to ever really use twice in an engagement.
No, if anything they need to STOP with the ship-only consoles. *IF* they add such a feature to a ship, add it to the SHIP, not to a console. There aren't enough console slots as it is. These things need to be native to the ship itself, like battlecloaks or the phaser lance on the gal-X. No console, just make it an option to place on the power tray.
This quote taken straight from the dev blog...how can they say this and NOT give it BattleCloak? We will see tomorrow when the stats are released, but man that's just cheese if they don't give it battlecloak. The veteran Klingon ship has battlecloak. I'm going to be highly disappointed if they wuuuuuuuus out.